Robert L. Briggs (
Sun, 8 May 1994 00:11:43 -0500 (CDT)

The only example of the red form of Dionaea that I have seen is on p.24
of Gordon Cheers (A Guide To Carnivorous Plants Of The World 1992). I
don't even think there's an editorial, just a picture.

By the way, Greetings!

My name is Robert Briggs and I have been an avid CP addict for about 15
years, but I started growing only 5 years ago. I'm having good luck with
several species: Dionaea, most Drosera I attempt, Cephalotus, some
Nepenthes, and some Pings. I am having terrible luck with all Sarracenia
except Purpurea.

I look forward to many good readings on this list and may be I'll get
some badly needed advice on Bogs, Environment, Tissue Culture, Etc.


| Robert L. Briggs | Springfield Missouri |


On Fri, 6 May 1994, Larry Logoteta wrote:

> Reply to: RE>PVR
> My all red vft is red all over including the traps and petioles.
> --------------------------------------
> Date: 5/6/94 10:00 AM
> To: Larry Logoteta
> From:
> Wow. I just got in the mail an ``Express Post International'' from
> Richard Davion. Enclosed in the bulging packet were several items.
> In case you don't recall, or didn't read his recent emailing, Richard
> Davion has been concerned with and involved in this recent matter of the
> all-red VFT, and plant variety rights (PVR) that may be assigned to an
> australian grower.
> Included in the packet is the 54 page Plant Variety Rights Act of
> 1987, which reads as you'd expect (e.g. Where, in proceedings for an
> offence against subsection (1) or (2) in respect....etc etc), as well
> as the mercifully shorter PVR regulations. I'm going to look through
> this act, and then mail it on to the next person that contacts me
> about this. Any takers?
> Richard also sent to me a plastic template of Australia, 15 cm across.
> Complete with holes in it so so can mark the boundaries between states
> and territories. Richard, why did you send me this? Is this referred
> to in the PVR Act?
> In an accompanying letter, Richard makes some interesting
> clarifications. Complete news to me is that this all-red VFT is much
> more red than I thought. Apparently the entire plant is suffused to
> some degree with anthocyanin. So, not just the traps, but the
> petioles are also red. This is very interesting. Up until now, when
> I have read people talking about all-red VFTs, etc., I thought they
> were talking only about the traps! Has anyone out there in
> electron-land ever seen these VFTs with red petioles? I'm going to
> ask around... Richard tells me he is sending another letter which I
> should get very soon.
> This matter baffles me. The act states that a ``new plant variety''
> must meet 4 qualifications. Two of them are,
> ``new plant variety'' means a plant variety that:
> (a)was originated by a person; (d)is distinguishable by one or more
> important morphological, physiological or other characteristics from
> all other plant varieties whose existence was a matter of common
> knowledge at the time when the application in respect of the variety
> was made;
> Point (d) addresses the concern that strains already in cultivation or
> in the wild can be locked up with a PVR. For example, no one could
> get a PVR on a subspecies or colour form of Sarr, unless that colour
> form was created by the person (for example, I cross breed different
> S.flava---if I selected one I suppose PVR's could be taken out for
> that clone).
> Point (a) is relevent to this matter, I think. *IF* the only place
> that these two red-petioled clones of VFT came from Kane's lab, then
> perhaps PVR is legal (even though PVR were requested after this plant
> has gone into wide cultivation?), but what I'm curious about is where
> did these seeds come from in the first place? Just germinating seed
> does not constitute originating a plant, surely!
> Barry