> Whereas the original posting spoke about 9000 
> seedlings, the issue seems now is about ADULT, WILD 
> COLLECTED plants 
To the untrained eye, a dormant adult dionaea might look like a 
'seedling' (I think someone else already mentioned this). In 
addition, I doubt the author of the words expected them to be 
scrutinized to the degree that we have done. Also, the original 
posting made no attempt to say whether or not the plants were 
wild collected. It really wasn't that far off!
> this also shows the danger of 'preliminary postings' 
> without full details. Especially in sensitive cases 
> like CITES, don't post any 'hear say'.
The original posting was from the CITES-L mailing list, was it 
not? I wouldn't call that hearsay. What the recent spate of mail 
on this subject showed me is the danger of getting bent out of 
shape over half-guessed facts. Please let's not do it again, eh? 
:)
My 2 cents!
Happy CPing to all,
Phil
PS - For the benefit of those who don't know some of the more 
colorful expressions in American/English (since this has come up 
before):
"bent out of shape" = angry, emotional
"hearsay" = second or third or fourth-hand information
"my two cents" = my opinion (as opposed to "my ardent belief")
and...
"bought the farm" = died (as in, "I fed my VFT a Big Mac, and it 
bought the farm.")