Re: Wanted: Seeds Catalogue listings

Michael (IFMJC@ASUVM.INRE.ASU.EDU)
Wed, 29 Sep 1993 19:38:26 -0700 (MST)

On Wed, 29 Sep 93 15:12:41 -0700 Barry Meyers-Rice said:
>>Barry, what do you think of CP with field locality data. Is this not
>>"admitting" that the plants were field collected? (ok, perhaps they were
>>collected as seed, or are props from a single field collected plant, or
>>part of a salvage operation, but how to tell?).
>
>Michael, this is an interesting question. I think that just about
>every person out where CP grow has collected at one time or another.
>shouldn't do out in the field. But when you are actually out there,

Oops, ah, you got me there. (fidget, fidget, hide, hide)

>This is how I think of field collecting. If a single plant collected from
>the wild is propagated into many other plants which are then distributed,
>that is maybe ok. But if you are dealing with a firm in which each plant
>

Yes, this is one of the nice things about CP. They ARE easy to propagate.
Basically, every plant in a "home collection" is doomed. They will all die
eventually. You will forget to water, or will drop the pot, or the cat will
get the plant... or some catastrophe may hit while you are on vacation. The
plants are totally dependent on their human caretakers and cannot survive on
their own. When the caretaker looses interest (or dies!) the plants go down
the shoots. The only way to prevent this is to pass them on, to artificially
disseminate them to people who will carry on the caretaker role. With CP this
is generally easy. With cacti and succulents it is much more difficult. Some
of the most sought-after cacti are the most difficult to propagate. Virtually
all the _Aztekium ritteri_ plants in cultivation have been field collected...
and all from a single cliff in Mexico.

>wind of this when I got some _D.petiolaris_ plants from him. So I tend

Yeah, these are exactly the plants I was thinking of.

>I have some of the usual _P. parviflora var. hohokamiana_ maturing
>in the garden, and down the street in a vacant lot another species I haven't
>yet keyed is flowering. I think I'll try to grow a few. But I don't think
>I will send any _Proboscidea_ to Tom because I don't think they are really
>CP. But if my _Martynia lutea_ produce seed... I've had 2 germinations from

I don't know Barry, some people might still be interested in Proboscidea.
I don't think it has ever been implicated as being a possible carnivore,
but it is an interesting gladular plant with pretty flowers and fruit, and
it is in the "possibly carnivorous" family Martinyaceae (or whatever you
want to call it now). I know Roridula is of interest to CPers (me included
:-) But I suppose there is the risk of flooding the seed bank with sundry
"interesting plants" which may confuse the beginner into thinking they're
true cp. (I still think having _Capsella bursera-pastoris_ in the bank is
a joke!).

>Barzai
-Michael (I've learned how to quote!! :-)