Date: Sat, 19 Feb 2000 07:03:57 +0100 From: "Andreas Wistuba" <andreas@wistuba.com> To: cp@opus.hpl.hp.com Message-Id: <aabcdefg481$foo@default> Subject: AW: Nep. species confusion
Dear Dick,
Joachim Nerz and myself validly published N. talangensis in CPN in 1994
(Vol. 23 page 101). Best see our type description for details. Before this
time N. talangensis was called N. bongso in error. However, the type
description and type specimens of N. bongso by Korthals from 1839 refers to
a population from Gunung Merapi being completely different, not even closer
related, to the plants from Gunung Talang (N. talangensis). In fact, N.
talangensis seems to be quite close to N. aristolochioides, while N. bongso
is very close (if not identical) to N. carunculata.
The whole mixup is due to a misinterpretation by Danser, mentioning
specimens from Talang (clearly N. talangensis) in his monographic work under
N. bongso, together with the type specimens from Korthals and some others.
Hope that clarifies the whole a bit. Please see also Jan Schlauers
Carnivorous Plant Database at http://www.hpl.hp.com/bot/cp_home for further
details and clarifications. Here you'll also find a link to Danser.
Rob Cantley's version ( "N. bongso (formerly N. talangensis)" ) is very hard
to follow and must be due to a mixup or misunderstanding, since N. bongso is
a very old name (1839), while N. talangensis just was established in 1994
(by J. Nerz and myself).
Bye
Andreas
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> Hello all nepenthophiles,
>
> i have been seeing and reading about.....
>
> N. bongso (formerly N. talangensis)
> N. talangensis (formerly N. bongso)
>
> Not only am i confused with this species but also the pictures
> that people are
> associating with the name.
>
> In the case with Borneo Exotics, the picture of N. bongso or N.
> talangensis, looks like N. alata (lower pitcher).
>
> With Wistuba, it is listed as two different species.
>
> In the case with Malesiana Tropicals, he has N. talangensis as
> having globose dumpy
> pitchers and described as the slowest growing of all highland
> neps and in partly related to
> N. aristolochiodes.
>
> CPjungle shows N. bongso as having red pictures with wide flaring
> red peristomes.
>
> So, is N. talangensis and N. bongso two distinct species?
> There seems to be a lot of confusion with this.
>
> If I purchase N. talangensis and N. bongso from each of these
> nurseries, am
> I going to get a variety of plants that looks different but is
> supposed to be
> N. bongso (formerly N. talangensis) and/or N. talangensis
> (formerly N. bongso).
>
> Any input would REALLY help......
>
> Thanks
>
> Dick Tran
>
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