################### From: AppleCakeTeaRoom at aol.com (AppleCakeTeaRoom@aol.com) Date: Sat Jan 1 13:20:01 2005 Subject: [CP] Narcotic Effect of CPs Happy New Years to everyone! May it be a prosperous year for CP habitats. Thank you Dave and everyone who responded to my question about the upper pitchers in Nepenthes, it was exactly as I had thought. I've got one quick question, does anyone know the name or names of the compounds in Sarracenias and Nepenthes which cause the drunken like effect in insects, which lowers their inhibitions, before they make a wrong step and tumble into the pitfall traps? I remember reading the name of at least one compound in a research paper, but for the life of me, I just can't find that information any longer. Much appreciated, thank you! ################### From: bioexp at juno.com (bioexp@juno.com) Date: Sat Jan 1 16:36:59 2005 Subject: [CP] Edward VII and Sarracenia Happy New Year CPers, I will start the year off with a curious historical finding for you Sarracenia lovers. It seems there are Sarracenia pitchers depicted in a very old oil painting of Edward VII, King of England. You can have a look at what Ed Read and I found in the articles on the Los Angeles CP Society web site www.geocities.com/lacps. Here is the link: http://www.geocities.com/lacps/kingedward.html . Maybe others can track down more info on this. Ed first spotted it as we were studying a book and jokingly said, "hey, check out the pitcher plants in this painting". After looking at the image more, I can't think of anything else but pitcher the objects could be. What do you all think? Ivan Snyder Hermosa Beach California ________________________________________________________________ Juno Gift Certificates Give the gift of Internet access this holiday season. http://www.juno.com/give ################### From: david.ahrens at btopenworld.com (DAVID AHRENS) Date: Sun Jan 2 03:50:13 2005 Subject: [CP] germinating and storing butterwort and bladderwort seed ################### From: parsont at peak.org (Louise Parsons) Date: Sun Jan 2 04:40:28 2005 Subject: [CP] Edward VII and Sarracenia Golly, I hope that I am wrong on this, because it is so much more fun to think of pitchers. However, I am pretty certain that those are the typical stylized feathers of the Royal Family. They appear in the modern-day crest of the Prince of Wales. See: http://www.princeofwales.gov.uk/ Happy New Year to all CP enthusiasts. Although I am an experienced gardener, I am new to CP. All of the tiny new seedling pitchers that are growing in pots on my screened back porch are such a joy. All the best, Louise Corvallis, ORegon http://www.peak.org/~parsont/rockgard/ > > > Happy New Year CPers, I will start the year off with a curious > historical finding for you Sarracenia lovers. It seems there are > Sarracenia pitchers depicted in a very old oil painting of Edward VII, > King of England. You can have a look at what Ed Read and I found in > the articles on the Los Angeles CP Society web site > www.geocities.com/lacps. Here is the link: > http://www.geocities.com/lacps/kingedward.html . ################### From: cp at pwilson.demon.co.uk (Phil Wilson) Date: Sun Jan 2 05:18:55 2005 Subject: [CP] Edward VII and Sarracenia Louise, Ivan et al, You are absolutely right. No pitchers or aliens from out of space. The "pitchers" are in fact the Prince of Wales' Feathers. See http://www.princeofwales.gov.uk/about/rol_feathers.html for details. Before becoming king he would of course have been given the traditional title of Prince of Wales. This despite probably only having a vague idea where Wales was....:-) Phil Wilson --------------------------------------------------------------------- "Are you still wasting your time with spam?... There is a solution!" Protected by GIANT Company's Spam Inspector The most powerful anti-spam software available. http://mail.spaminspector.com ----- Original Message ----- To: "Carnivorous Plant Discussion group" Cc: Sent: Sunday, January 02, 2005 12:42 PM > Golly, I hope that I am wrong on this, because it is so much more fun to > think > of pitchers. However, I am pretty certain that those are the typical > stylized > feathers of the Royal Family. They appear in the modern-day crest of the > Prince > of Wales. See: > > http://www.princeofwales.gov.uk/ > > > Happy New Year to all CP enthusiasts. Although I am an experienced > gardener, I > am new to CP. All of the tiny new seedling pitchers that are growing in > pots on > my screened back porch are such a joy. > > All the best, Louise > Corvallis, ORegon > http://www.peak.org/~parsont/rockgard/ > >> >> Happy New Year CPers, >> I will start the year off with a curious historical finding for you >> Sarracenia >> lovers. It seems there are Sarracenia pitchers depicted in a very old oil >> painting of Edward VII, King of England. You can have a look at what Ed >> Read and >> I found in the articles on the Los Angeles CP Society web site >> www.geocities.com/lacps. Here is the link: >> http://www.geocities.com/lacps/kingedward.html . > > _______________________________________________ > Cp mailing list > Cp@omnisterra.com > http://mail.omnisterra.com/mailman/listinfo/cp_omnisterra.com > ################### From: sundew at hotmail.com (Sundew) Date: Sun Jan 2 09:50:09 2005 Subject: [CP] Cool Sarracenia web page Yeah, I know, this isn't about Drosera, but I thought some of you might like this web page I found recently: http://hometown.aol.com/atlfinegardens/page1.html Happy new year, MaTT -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= SundewMatt: Carnivorous Plant Grower Since 1984 DEDICATED TO THE CULTIVATION AND PRESERVATION OF DROSERA I am always looking for new contacts living in or travelling to Africa, South America or other tropical / subtropical places. Please visit my website at http://www.sundewgrower.com/index.html -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= ################### From: treaqum1 at yahoo.com (Tre Bond) Date: Sun Jan 2 12:11:10 2005 Subject: [CP] Re: Royal Crest Sorry Ivan those are definatly feathers. Tre ################### From: treaqum1 at yahoo.com (Tre Bond) Date: Sun Jan 2 12:12:41 2005 Subject: [CP] Re: wilkerson red So thats what my 'wilkerson red' will look like when they are all grown up ;) ################### From: fe_riva at uol.com.br (Fernando Rivadavia) Date: Sun Jan 2 13:52:32 2005 Subject: [CP] etc..., ETC Really!! Hey Mike!! Happy 2005!!!!!!!!!!!! Sorry for taking so long to reply!! I got caught up with all the festivities! ;) > The reason I emailed was to ask you the camera that you used to take the > pictures of the sundews? You probably told me in Mexico but I do not > remember. Could you refresh my memory? It's a Nikon 5400! > PS. The trip to Macchu Piccu never happened because of a couple of > hurricanes. Maybe you heard about that? Anyway, glad I was here to protect > my stuff! Geez, what a bummer!!!!!!! Take Care, Fernando ################### From: fe_riva at uol.com.br (Fernando Rivadavia) Date: Sun Jan 2 14:33:15 2005 Subject: [CP] etc..., ETC Really!! Oops! Sorry guys, that was supposed to have been a private mail! ;) ----- Original Message ----- To: "Carnivorous Plant Discussion group" Sent: Sunday, January 02, 2005 07:52 PM ################### From: fe_riva at uol.com.br (Fernando Rivadavia) Date: Sun Jan 2 18:50:18 2005 Subject: [CP] Re: D. oblanceeolata Dave & Ivan, Sorry to reply late to your posts about D.meristocaulis, D.oblanceolata, D.spatulata & D.neocaledonica, but here goes... First, I think D.meristocaulis will probably NOT be fertile with any pygmy, but it's worth a try! They do seem to be more closely related, but we don't know yet for sure. As for D.oblanceolata, D.spatulata, & D.neocaledonica they're all very close, especially D.the latter 2. The main difference between D.oblanceolata & D.spatulata is that the former has a little apical split in the styles, if I remember well. Otherwise D.oblanceolata is a large D.spatulata with semi-erect leaves. D.neocaledonica doesn't look superficially like D.oblanceolata & D.spatulata, but it is very close to the spatulata-complex according to DNA data. In fact they are all found at a very interesting spot of the phylogenetic tree, where 3 important sundew branches emerge: -- A mostly 2n=20 branch which includes New World & N temperate species like D.rotundifolia, D.filiformis, D.capillaris, D.roraimae, D.communis, D.hirtella, D.felix, D.kaieteurensis, D.brevifolia, D.intermedia & D.cayennensis. -- A branch with 2n=40 species found mostly in Brazil: D.villosa complex, D.montana complex, D.graminifolia & D.chrysolepis -- An "multiploid" branch that includes almost all the African species (except D.indica, D.regia & D.insolita I think) all the way from D.natalensis to D.cistiflora The interesting part of finding D.oblanceolata, D.spatulata & D.neocaledonica located more or less at the base of these 3 branches suggests that all those plants are probably descended from plants that originated somewhere between Asia & Australia/ NZ. Just below these 3 branches on the family tree is a small branch with 2 species: D.uniflora from Chile/ Argentina and D.stenopetala from New Zealand.... hmmm more hints that the ancestors of these plants were all located around Australia/ NZ (and maybe Antarctica at some point in time). Happy 2005 to all, Fernando Rivadavia Sao Paulo, Brazil ################### From: stephenwd at sbcglobal.net (Stephen Davis) Date: Sun Jan 2 20:41:32 2005 Subject: [CP] Re: Royal Crest I read once that alcoholics will see a fifth wherever they look. They have been known to reach into someones back pocket, steal their wallet, only to be disappointed to find that that bulge in the back pocket was not a fifth of alcohol, but a useless wallet. Stephen Davis stephenwd@sbcglobal.net www.carnivorousplants.homestead.com -----Original Message----- Of Tre Bond Sent: Sunday, January 02, 2005 12:11 PM To: Cp@omnisterra.com Sorry Ivan those are definatly feathers. Tre __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ Cp mailing list Cp@omnisterra.com http://mail.omnisterra.com/mailman/listinfo/cp_omnisterra.com ################### From: ClaraVoiAunt at aol.com (ClaraVoiAunt@aol.com) Date: Sun Jan 2 23:13:21 2005 Subject: [CP] This isn't Drosera Matt, Thanx for sharing this page. It is wonderful. It also led me to some other pages of the ICPS that I haven't been able to access . Lois In a message dated 1/2/05 12:02:49 P.M. Pacific Standard Time, Cp-request@omnisterra.com writes: To: "cp list" Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Yeah, I know, this isn't about Drosera, but I thought some of you might like this web page I found recently: http://hometown.aol.com/atlfinegardens/page1.html Happy new year, MaTT ################### From: nepenthesdave at hotmail.com (David Ahrens) Date: Mon Jan 3 04:28:06 2005 Subject: [CP] Narcotic Effect of CPs Christine asked about the narcotic substances in Sarracenia and Nepenthes, which drug the insect visiters to these plants. The substance in Sarracenia is coniine. I wasn't too sure that Nepenthes secrete a paralysing substance. I have looked this up in 'The Carnivorous Plants' by Juniper Robins and Joel. On page 242, they discuss the paralysing and wetting agents that might be secreted by carnivorous plants. They say that only Sarracenia contains a paralysing agent in it's trap, it is alone in the CP world for having an agent of this sort. Page 62 also says that it is suggested that Nepenthes pitcher fluid contains a wetting agent. It goes on to say that there is little evidence for this. I am a little bit confused because page 62 says that the liquid in the base of the pitcher has a 'soapiness' about it and says that this may be the result of polysaccharides discharged into the pitcher fluid. So there does seem to be evidence of a wetting agent in the traps, the book seems to contradict itself. Hope this helps. Regards David Ahrens. London. ################### From: dglidden at illusionary.com (Derek Glidden) Date: Mon Jan 3 08:55:35 2005 Subject: [CP] Narcotic Effect of CPs David Ahrens wrote: > Christine asked about the narcotic substances in Sarracenia and > Nepenthes, which drug the insect visiters to these plants. > The substance in Sarracenia is coniine. > They say that only Sarracenia > contains a paralysing agent in it's trap, it is alone in the CP world > for having an agent of this sort. I could swear that I've read somewhere that certain species of Nepenthes also contain some sort of anaesthetising agent in the pitchers. In particular, I remember references to species like N.inermis with open pitchers, and for some reason I also want to think that N.alata was mentioned. After reading and discovering that I was growing a couple of species mentioned, I even did very unscientific experiements by dropping crickets into the larger pitchers and jiggling them around to see how long I could keep them moving, and the species mentioned definitely had a much shorter time before the crickets stopped wriggling around in the pitcher fluid. Of course whatever it was I was reading could have been wrong and my experiment was totally bogus in terms of real science, but Christine isn't the only person to have heard that some Nepenthes may have anaesthetic or narcotic properties. ################### From: bioexp at juno.com (bioexp@juno.com) Date: Mon Jan 3 09:54:07 2005 Subject: [CP] Re: Edward VII and Sarracenia Hi Louise, Phil, and all, Gee, that had not even occured to me. That clears up that mystery, thanks. The objects surely are feathers. Oh well, on to other mysteries. Ivan ________________________________________________________________ Juno Gift Certificates Give the gift of Internet access this holiday season. http://www.juno.com/give ################### From: dpevans at rci.rutgers.edu (Dave Evans) Date: Mon Jan 3 14:15:57 2005 Subject: [CP] Narcotic Effect of CPs Dear Derek, The special technique _Nepenthes inermis_ uses to catch prey involves a sticky substance which, conveyor-belt-like, flows down the walls of the inside of the pitchers. It is so viscous that rain has a difficult time washing away anything already glued to it. _Nepenthes_, I feel, would have to be tested again and again for each species, in order to rule out this possibility. Think about how different some species are. I'm sure they are also able to make different chemicals, perhaps not those which drug insects, but we can't rule it out yet. Dave Evans -----Original Message----- Of Derek Glidden Sent: Monday, January 03, 2005 11:55 AM To: Carnivorous Plant Discussion group David Ahrens wrote: > Christine asked about the narcotic substances in Sarracenia and > Nepenthes, which drug the insect visiters to these plants. > The substance in Sarracenia is coniine. > They say that only Sarracenia > contains a paralysing agent in it's trap, it is alone in the CP world > for having an agent of this sort. I could swear that I've read somewhere that certain species of Nepenthes also contain some sort of anaesthetising agent in the pitchers. In particular, I remember references to species like N.inermis with open pitchers, and for some reason I also want to think that N.alata was mentioned. ################### From: ThomBroGar at aol.com (ThomBroGar@aol.com) Date: Mon Jan 3 14:38:39 2005 Subject: [CP] Re:"Wilkerson's Red" Tre, What I sent you was seed from "Wilkerson's Red" open pollinated in the field. Unfortunately, the seedlings I have are coming out more leuco. and moorei than true to "Wilkerson's Red." I hope you are not to disappointed. I was but, that's the way the genes fall sometimes. ################### From: cp at pwilson.demon.co.uk (Phil Wilson) Date: Mon Jan 3 14:50:47 2005 Subject: [CP] Narcotic Effect of CPs Dave, That explains the tiny (fruit?) flies stuck to the inside of my N. inermis pitchers! Phil Wilson >The special technique _Nepenthes inermis_ uses to catch prey >involves a sticky substance which, conveyor-belt-like, flows down the walls >of the inside of the pitchers. It is so viscous that rain has a difficult >time washing away anything already glued to it. ################### From: dpevans at rci.rutgers.edu (Dave Evans) Date: Mon Jan 3 16:51:30 2005 Subject: [CP] Nepenthes inermis Hi Phil, Yeah, I think this one is the only _Nepenthes_ that utilizes a passive fly-paper trap. While the fluid does flow down the walls into the pitcher, I don't think the plant actually makes more of this material in response to the presence of prey items, nor does the pitcher 'move', like how _Drosera_ do. Also, I'm not sure how effective the trap would be for moving prey into the digestive zone in lower humidity, perhaps it dries a bit and cannot flow, but becomes merely sticky? Dave Evans New Jersey, USA www.Dangerousplants.com -----Original Message----- Of Phil Wilson Sent: Monday, January 03, 2005 5:51 PM To: Carnivorous Plant Discussion group Dave, That explains the tiny (fruit?) flies stuck to the inside of my N. inermis pitchers! Phil Wilson >The special technique _Nepenthes inermis_ uses to catch prey >involves a sticky substance which, conveyor-belt-like, flows down the walls >of the inside of the pitchers. It is so viscous that rain has a difficult >time washing away anything already glued to it. ################### From: nepenthesdave at hotmail.com (David Ahrens) Date: Mon Jan 3 22:25:24 2005 Subject: [CP] Narcotics in pitcher fluid Derek Glidden wrote:- I could swear that I've read somewhere that certain species of Nepenthes also contain some sort of anaesthetising agent in the pitchers. In particular, I remember references to species like N.inermis with open pitchers, and for some reason I also want to think that N.alata was mentioned. After reading and discovering that I was growing a couple of species mentioned, I even did very unscientific experiements by dropping crickets into the larger pitchers and jiggling them around to see how long I could keep them moving, and the species mentioned definitely had a much shorter time before the crickets stopped wriggling around in the pitcher fluid. Of course whatever it was I was reading could have been wrong and my experiment was totally bogus in terms of real science, but Christine isn't the only person to have heard that some Nepenthes may have anaesthetic or narcotic properties. Very interesting. Regards David Ahrens London PS- someone who hasn't got anything better to do with their time in the US government will be searching the web for references to narcotics and will find the CP listserv. We will all have to watch what we say from now on. Big Brother will be watching. :-) ################### From: Lars at Timmann.de (Lars Timmann) Date: Tue Jan 4 02:27:20 2005 Subject: [CP] Narcotics in pitcher fluid Hi, I hope you discuss silently about this. Not that we cannot send plants because of drugs inside infuture. Aren't they optical psychedelic enough ;-)? Happy new year and so on... Lars -- "There is always an easy solution to every human problem - neat, plausible and wrong." (Henry Louis Mencken (1880-1956) American journalist and social critic) _______________________________________________________________________ Lars Timmann Lars@Timmann.de http://lars.timmann.de/ http://www.fleischfressendepflanzen.de/ 22393 Hamburg ################### From: rhillier at swconnection.com (Rick Hillier) Date: Tue Jan 4 13:13:51 2005 Subject: [CP] Where Can I Purchase Cephalotus - I Live In Southern Ontario, Greetings, I just lost a cephalotus follicularis plant that I had for many years. It never really flourished, but it did grow slowly and stayed about the same size throughout its life. I don't think my conditions were optimal for it (soil-wise). I am looking to obtain several new plants that I could experiment with in terms of different soil mixes. Is there anyone out there who can ship within or to Canada (particularly, Southern Ontario)? I realize that it may be prudent to wait until spring unless someone is within driving distance of Kitchener, Ontario and I could arrange to pick them up in person. Also, would anyone who has had success be able to share their secrets??? While I'm at it, are there any species of Heliamphora that are relatively easy to grow, or do they need special requirements in terms of cool and humid. I can provide warm and humid via enclosed aquariums under either fluorescents or metal halides... Thanks in advance, Rick Hillier http://www.swconnection.com/cp ################### From: AppleCakeTeaRoom at aol.com (AppleCakeTeaRoom@aol.com) Date: Tue Jan 4 22:28:05 2005 Subject: [CP] Re: Narcotic Effect of CPs Thank you for the looking up the name! I couldn't recall what it was exactly but the drug name "codeine" kept popping into my head, although I know it wasn't the drug. But its "Coniine!" LOL, atleast I was close :-) I looked up a little about coniine, I found it to be quite interesting: _http://www.chm.bris.ac.uk/webprojects2001/gerrard/coniine.html_ (http://www.chm.bris.ac.uk/webprojects2001/gerrard/coniine.html) ~Christine the CPer and Lucy the Giant Schnauzer ################### From: westaustralia at libero.it (Cristiano Perrucci) Date: Wed Jan 5 00:53:34 2005 Subject: [CP] Where Can I Purchase Cephalotus - I Live In Southern Ontario, Hi Rick and all, no secrets to share by my side, just a few notes on Albany pitcher plant cultivation. I found Cephalotus is a really easy plant to grow, if compared with other Australian species, such as tropical sundews or some tuberous sundews. The reason is that Cephalotus is widely tolerant to lighting, temperature and humidity changes. At the same time, I observed quick decay in cultivated plants living in standing water. Examining wild plants in the Walpole shire, I had confirmation of that. Plants living where water never stands, are bigger and healthy. Before martyrise a woodland of cephalotus, my suggestion is to use a quite airy soil mix (eg. 50%peat and 50% perlite) and to irrigate pots from overhead preventing water stagnation in the tray. Some people, here, has got appreciable results with this trivial shrewdness. Cheers, Cristiano Perrucci, Genoa -Italy- > Greetings, > > I just lost a cephalotus follicularis plant that I had for many years. It > never really flourished, but it did grow slowly and stayed about the same > size throughout its life. I don't think my conditions were optimal for it > (soil-wise). I am looking to obtain several new plants that I could > experiment with in terms of different soil mixes. > > Is there anyone out there who can ship within or to Canada (particularly, > Southern Ontario)? I realize that it may be prudent to wait until spring > unless someone is within driving distance of Kitchener, Ontario and I could > arrange to pick them up in person. > > Also, would anyone who has had success be able to share their secrets??? > > While I'm at it, are there any species of Heliamphora that are relatively > easy to grow, or do they need special requirements in terms of cool and > humid. I can provide warm and humid via enclosed aquariums under either > fluorescents or metal halides... > > Thanks in advance, > > Rick Hillier > http://www.swconnection.com/cp > > > > _______________________________________________ > Cp mailing list > Cp@omnisterra.com > http://mail.omnisterra.com/mailman/listinfo/cp_omnisterra.com > ____________________________________________________________ Libero ADSL: 3 mesi gratis e navighi a 1.2 Mega. E poi hai l'Adsl senza limiti a meno di 1 euro al giorno. Abbonati subito senza costi di attivazione su http://www.libero.it ################### From: john.wilden at hmce.gsi.gov.uk (Wilden, John {HQ Lpl, LIV BIT, LIV RBS North}) Date: Wed Jan 5 01:24:23 2005 Subject: [CP] CPN in UK Dear all, Anybody in the UK/ Europe received their December issue of the CPN yet? Regards John Wilden Southport Lancashire. UK The original of this email was scanned for viruses by the Government Secure Intranet (GSi) virus scanning service supplied exclusively by Energis in partnership with MessageLabs. On leaving the GSi this email was certified virus-free ################### From: cwasson at cisco.com (craig wasson) Date: Wed Jan 5 09:56:11 2005 Subject: [CP] Where Can I Purchase Cephalotus - I Live In Southern Ontario, I agree with Cristiano - Cephalotus is VERY easy to grow if you don't treat it like a bog plant. In fact it's one of only two plants that I have which survived during a 10-year period when I lost interest in CP. My original ceph (purchased from World Insectivorous Plants when they were in the California central coast area) is now 25 years old despite very long periods of neglect. That plant was in a large glass jar growing in live sphagnum. I now have a dozen or so plants - seems the best planting mix is mostly sand with some peat. I grow them in non-draining pots with relatively low humidity and water them every week or two if they are in open pots - the glass jar get watered just a couple times a year. I also have one in the kitchen in a self watering pot which seems quite happy. When they crowd the container I grow them in I just pull off chunks of the plant to create new clones. It's also easy to start clones by pulling off a leaf. I have also pulled off pitchers to create clones but I find the regular leaves work better with nearly 100% success. Light does not seem to matter except low light produces very bright green pitchers and high light produces dark purple - almost black sometimes - pitchers. Humidity also seems to not matter much - the airtight jar growing in live sphagnum is a very happy plant, as is one growing in sand in one of those mini-terrariums with a big open hole at the top. All are clones of the same plant so the differences are all due to growing conditions. I don't understand why Cephalotus is so hard to find and so expensive, since it's so easy to grow. I guess it's because it takes 6 months to a year to get a decent sized plant from a pulled leaf. In 25 years of growing the original plant - and many clones - it has NEVER produced a flower. So I have never had a chance to try growing them from seed. Has anyone else out there had their Cephalotus produce flowers? What's the trick to make them flower? Most of my hard-to-flower plants produce flowers when I forget to water them and almost kill them. My heliamphoria recently rewarded my neglect with a flower. Craig ################### From: bioexp at juno.com (bioexp@juno.com) Date: Wed Jan 5 10:14:25 2005 Subject: [CP] RE: narcotic Nepenthes Hi all, I don't know if Nepenthes produces any narcotic. Nepenthes was given the name by Linnaeus after 'Nepenthe', a mythical drug which Helen learned about in Egypt. Nepenthe was a love potion which also drove away sorrow. Ivan Snyder Hermosa Beach California ________________________________________________________________ Juno Gift Certificates Give the gift of Internet access this holiday season. http://www.juno.com/give ################### From: westaustralia at libero.it (Cristiano Perrucci) Date: Wed Jan 5 12:03:15 2005 Subject: [CP] Where Can I Purchase Cephalotus - I Live In Southern Ontario, Two of my plants produces flowers almost every year but, the plants are several years old and there are several growing points so I suppose the rhyzomes are thick. The pots are 12 and 15 cm tall. Pollination is easy as well as seeds production despite to seed germination that is almost utopia. Next time I try to put them in TC. Cristiano, IT > Has anyone else out there had their Cephalotus produce flowers? What's the > trick to make them flower? Most of my hard-to-flower plants produce flowers > when I forget to water them and almost kill them. My heliamphoria recently > rewarded my neglect with a flower. > > > Craig ____________________________________________________________ Libero ADSL: 3 mesi gratis e navighi a 1.2 Mega. E poi hai l'Adsl senza limiti a meno di 1 euro al giorno. Abbonati subito senza costi di attivazione su http://www.libero.it ################### From: david.ahrens at btopenworld.com (DAVID AHRENS) Date: Wed Jan 5 12:28:16 2005 Subject: [CP] Anybody received their CPN yet I was going to reply to this posting on my nepenthesdave email address but the listserv posting hasn't come through on that yet. John Wilden asked:- 'Dear all, Anybody in the UK/ Europe received their December issue of the CPN yet?' No Regards David Ahrens London ################### From: ClaraVoiAunt at aol.com (ClaraVoiAunt@aol.com) Date: Wed Jan 5 13:35:37 2005 Subject: [CP] Cephalotus flowering In a message dated 1/5/05 12:02:44 P.M. Pacific Standard Time, Cp-request@omnisterra.com writes: Craig. You have jest discovered mother nature's way of continuing the species. Plants that feel that they are dying will produce seeds quicker than well cared for plants. i.e. that dandelion in the crack of you sidewalk. Not very big but still blooming , trying to get some seed produced before it croaks. Excuse me ...expires. Lois Most of my hard-to-flower plants produce flowers when I forget to water them and almost kill them. My heliamphoria recently rewarded my neglect with a flower. ################### From: Rklelaphe1 at aol.com (Rklelaphe1@aol.com) Date: Wed Jan 5 17:07:53 2005 Subject: [CP] A quick plug for Sunbelle Exotics ################### From: garkoinsf at netscape.net (Gary Kong) Date: Wed Jan 5 20:25:54 2005 Subject: [CP] Narcotic Effect of CPs i think the paralyzing agent hypothesis is the result of watching insects drown in pitcher fluid. look! it's stopped moving! well, as we say in california: "duh?" (no offense to anyone who's stunned by a drowned insect no longer moving.) but i do believe there is a wetting agent, and it may be enhanced the very thing that attracts insects: the nectar. if you spritz the peristome as though it were being rained on, watch where the liquid drips. some of it is off the pitcher, but some of it drips into the pitcher and with impunity, since the waxy walls repel it right into the fluid bath. someone posted an article about how a wet peristome is much more effective than a dry one. i've witnessed this many times. one minute, ants will be swarming the mouth of a pitcher. a spritz of water and all the ants zip off the mouth and into the pitcher. i would think wet peristomes are the norm in the environments where these plants evolved. my question: is this slippery stuff nectar? and is it related to the wetting agent? and speaking of cephalotus. this plant seems to 'water' its own peristome. i have one that's brimming with water, even though i don't mist it. Gary Kong "David Ahrens" wrote: >Christine asked about the narcotic substances in Sarracenia and Nepenthes, >which drug the insect visiters to these plants. >The substance in Sarracenia is coniine. >I wasn't too sure that Nepenthes secrete a paralysing substance. I have >looked this up in 'The Carnivorous Plants' by Juniper Robins and Joel. On >page 242, they discuss the paralysing and wetting agents that might be >secreted by carnivorous plants. They say that only Sarracenia contains a >paralysing agent in it's trap, it is alone in the CP world for having an >agent of this sort. >Page 62 also says that it is suggested that Nepenthes pitcher fluid contains >a wetting agent. It goes on to say that there is little evidence for this. I >am a little bit confused because page 62 says that the liquid in the base of >the pitcher has a 'soapiness' about it and says that this may be the result >of polysaccharides discharged into the pitcher fluid. So there does seem to >be evidence of a wetting agent in the traps, the book seems to contradict >itself. >Hope this helps. >Regards >David Ahrens. >London. > > > >_______________________________________________ >Cp mailing list >Cp@omnisterra.com >http://mail.omnisterra.com/mailman/listinfo/cp_omnisterra.com > -- San Francisco, CA World Leader Pretend: http://www.foulds2000.freeserve.co.uk/bushv5.htm __________________________________________________________________ Switch to Netscape Internet Service. As low as $9.95 a month -- Sign up today at http://isp.netscape.com/register Netscape. Just the Net You Need. New! Netscape Toolbar for Internet Explorer Search from anywhere on the Web and block those annoying pop-ups. Download now at http://channels.netscape.com/ns/search/install.jsp ################### From: leosong at fullerton.edu (Leo Song) Date: Wed Jan 5 23:25:41 2005 Subject: [CP] Re: Cephalotus Hi Group: I grow Cephalotus outside here in S. California. Since the climate is somewhat similar to native area, the plant does well and has flowered almost every year, generally during the late spring-early summer. A cold dormant period is probably the key. The plant is self-fertile (anthers shedding pollen first, stigmas receptive later- like Dionaea). I have grown volunteer seedlings, so I know the seeds are good. Leo -- Leo C. Song, Jr. Curator/Manager Biology Greenhouse Complex, Retired POB 6850 Fullerton CA 92834-6850 Vox & Fax: 714/278-2766 email: leosong@fullerton.edu Tao of Leo Song: "Knowledge is not knowledge unless it is shared." ################### From: utricularia4242 at hotmail.com (Travis Wyman) Date: Thu Jan 6 09:05:13 2005 Subject: [CP] Recovering plants Hey everyone, Shortly before the holidays I had a rather unfortunate occurance. On the night that the temp dropped to 17 degrees F there was a power failure that shut off my space heater. When the power came back on the heater did not reset and so all the plants in my sunroom had the pleasure of being frozen to some extent or other. 2 days after this happened I had to go out to Colorado and I have only recently returned. This morning I was able to take a close look at my collection and, much as i expected, I have lost a good number of plants. I am looking for anyone who might have spares of the following plants: -P. laueana CP2 x CP3 -P. laueana SP3 -P. moranensis 'D' -P. oblongiloba -P. macrophylla -P. emarginata -P. rectifolia -P. agnata 'Harold' -P. 'Mola' -P. gigantea -P. gigantea "purple flower" -P. gigantea "alba" x moctezumae (this was Stan Lampard's cross, also known as 'Apasionada') -P. 'Sethos' x cyclosecta -P. 'Tina' -P. 'Gina' -P. 'Weser' (This was not the bogus plant of mass TC distribution. It was supposedly the real deal though I had not yet gotten it to flower to confirm this.) -D. slackii -D. 'Big Easy' I do not currently have much to trade but I wil do my best to work something out if I can. If you can help please drop me a line off list Thank Travis Travis H. Wyman Microbiology & Molecular Genetics Emory University twyman@emory.edu ################### From: nickplummer at nc.rr.com (nickplummer@nc.rr.com) Date: Thu Jan 6 13:03:12 2005 Subject: [CP] Re: Narcotic effects of CP (now insect aquaplaning) Gary Kong wrote: > someone posted an article about how a wet peristome is much more > effective than a dry one. i've witnessed this many times. The following paper seems relevant: Bohn HF, Federle W. (2004) Insect aquaplaning: Nepenthes pitcher plants capture prey with the peristome, a fully wettable water-lubricated anisotropic surface. Proc. Natl. Acad. Sci. USA 101(39):14138-43 Abstract: Pitcher plants of the genus Nepenthes have highly specialized leaves adapted to attract, capture, retain, and digest arthropod prey. Several mechanisms have been proposed for the capture of insects, ranging from slippery epicuticular wax crystals to downward-pointing lunate cells and alkaloid secretions that anesthetize insects. Here we report that perhaps the most important capture mechanism has thus far remained overlooked. It is based on special surface properties of the pitcher rim (peristome) and insect "aquaplaning." The peristome is characterized by a regular microstructure with radial ridges of smooth overlapping epidermal cells, which form a series of steps toward the pitcher inside. This surface is completely wettable by nectar secreted at the inner margin of the peristome and by rain water, so that homogenous liquid films cover the surface under humid weather conditions. Only when wet, the peristome surface is slippery for insects, so that most ant visitors become trapped. By measuring friction forces of weaver ants (Oecophylla smaragdina) on the peristome surface of Nepenthes bicalcarata, we demonstrate that the two factors preventing insect attachment to the peristome, i.e., water lubrication and anisotropic surface topography, are effective against different attachment structures of the insect tarsus. Peristome water films disrupt attachment only for the soft adhesive pads but not for the claws, whereas surface topography leads to anisotropic friction only for the claws but not for the adhesive pads. Experiments on Nepenthes alata show that the trapping mechanism of the peristome is also essential in Nepenthes species with waxy inner pitcher walls. ################### From: Killerplants at aol.com (Killerplants@aol.com) Date: Thu Jan 6 14:24:21 2005 Subject: [CP] Re: narcotics Didn't Peter D'Amato have a small article(or maybe it was a post) where he watched a ton of ants sample some Nepenthes nectar and fall off the plant onto his bench either stupified or dead? Cheers, ################### From: dpevans at rci.rutgers.edu (Dave Evans) Date: Thu Jan 6 19:57:47 2005 Subject: [CP] Recovering plants Dear Travis, Don't throw out your _Drosera_ pots just yet! While the leaves have died, the roots could be just fine. _D. regia_ can come back from roots eight inches below the soil surface :) _D. slackii_ is no slacker when it comes to growing back from roots either. Dave Evans New Jersey, USA www.Dangerousplants.com -----Original Message----- Of Travis Wyman Sent: Thursday, January 06, 2005 12:05 PM When the power came back on the heater did not reset and so all the plants in my sunroom had the pleasure of being frozen to some extent or other. 2 days after this happened I had to go out to Colorado and I have only recently returned. This morning I was able to take a close look at my collection and, much as i expected, I have lost a good number of plants. -D. slackii -D. 'Big Easy' Travis H. Wyman Microbiology & Molecular Genetics Emory University ################### From: stephenwd at sbcglobal.net (Stephen Davis) Date: Thu Jan 6 22:43:06 2005 Subject: [CP] Re: Narcotic effects of CP (now insect aquaplaning) I have a good sized N. truncate on my window sill. Every so often we get an infestation of ants which love to crawl all over it. I've found that if I use my mister on the pitcher the ants will fall in so fast that I don't even see them slide in. They appear to just disappear. One second they are happily walking along the peristome, the next, they are gone. What is incredible to me is that this is just a light misting and the effect is instantaneous. Not very scientific, but an easy thing to replicate. Stephen Davis stephenwd@sbcglobal.net www.carnivorousplants.homestead.com -----Original Message----- Of nickplummer@nc.rr.com Sent: Thursday, January 06, 2005 1:03 PM To: Cp@omnisterra.com Gary Kong wrote: > someone posted an article about how a wet peristome is much more > effective than a dry one. i've witnessed this many times. The following paper seems relevant: Bohn HF, Federle W. (2004) Insect aquaplaning: Nepenthes pitcher plants capture prey with the peristome, a fully wettable water-lubricated anisotropic surface. Proc. Natl. Acad. Sci. USA 101(39):14138-43 Abstract: Pitcher plants of the genus Nepenthes have highly specialized leaves adapted to attract, capture, retain, and digest arthropod prey. Several mechanisms have been proposed for the capture of insects, ranging from slippery epicuticular wax crystals to downward-pointing lunate cells and alkaloid secretions that anesthetize insects. Here we report that perhaps the most important capture mechanism has thus far remained overlooked. It is based on special surface properties of the pitcher rim (peristome) and insect "aquaplaning." The peristome is characterized by a regular microstructure with radial ridges of smooth overlapping epidermal cells, which form a series of steps toward the pitcher inside. This surface is completely wettable by nectar secreted at the inner margin of the peristome and by rain water, so that homogenous liquid films cover the surface under humid weather conditions. Only when wet, the peristome surface is slippery for insects, so that most ant visitors become trapped. By measuring friction forces of weaver ants (Oecophylla smaragdina) on the peristome surface of Nepenthes bicalcarata, we demonstrate that the two factors preventing insect attachment to the peristome, i.e., water lubrication and anisotropic surface topography, are effective against different attachment structures of the insect tarsus. Peristome water films disrupt attachment only for the soft adhesive pads but not for the claws, whereas surface topography leads to anisotropic friction only for the claws but not for the adhesive pads. Experiments on Nepenthes alata show that the trapping mechanism of the peristome is also essential in Nepenthes species with waxy inner pitcher walls. _______________________________________________ Cp mailing list Cp@omnisterra.com http://mail.omnisterra.com/mailman/listinfo/cp_omnisterra.com ################### From: bamrice at ucdavis.edu (Barry Rice) Date: Fri Jan 7 08:25:29 2005 Subject: [CP] Remember the hand puppets? Hey Folks, A funny thing happened over the holidays. One of my family members decided that I clearly needed to own a copy of a "Ripley's Believe it or Not" book. For those of you unfamiliar with this American institution, Ripley's is a museum of the odd; it got its start by publishing an illustrated article in the newspapers, etc., etc., with facts like, "Did you know that botanist Robert Gibson can stick his tongue into his ear?" and so on. (I'm not sure about that statement regarding Robert, by the way.) Anyway, I was passing the time reading about people who had tattooed themselves to look like lizards, and strange meteorological phenomena like maggots raining from the sky, when I discovered a surprising entry: A young woman in North Carolina apparently became interested in taxidermy, and would practice on roadkill brought to her by her father; now she has her own business in taxidermy. YES! Amy Ritchie! The girl who once made Venus Flytrap hand puppets and sold them on her web site! I am proud to still have my set of flytrap hand and finger puppets made by Ms Ritchie! Fabulous! Barry A. Rice, Ph.D. Carnivorous Plant Newsletter, Coeditor The International Carnivorous Plant Society http://www.carnivorousplants.org ################### From: rrz7001 at humboldt.edu (Robert Ziemer) Date: Fri Jan 7 09:23:10 2005 Subject: [CP] Remember the hand puppets? Fantastic! Barry, thanks for this wonderful news. I remember that in 1999 as a 12-year-old she had spunk. She must be about 17 now. I recall that her budding enterprise also started the hand-puppet wars, where some of our scrooge listserve participants wanted to ban her for the audacious crime of trying to peddle her puppets to us. For a sample, see http://www.flytrap.demon.co.uk/digests/2005.txt -Bob- Barry Rice wrote: > Hey Folks, > > A funny thing happened over the holidays. One of my family members decided > that I clearly needed to own a copy of a "Ripley's Believe it or Not" book. > For those of you unfamiliar with this American institution, Ripley's is a > museum of the odd; it got its start by publishing an illustrated article in > the newspapers, etc., etc., with facts like, "Did you know that botanist > Robert Gibson can stick his tongue into his ear?" and so on. (I'm not sure > about that statement regarding Robert, by the way.) > > Anyway, I was passing the time reading about people who had tattooed > themselves to look like lizards, and strange meteorological phenomena like > maggots raining from the sky, when I discovered a surprising entry: A young > woman in North Carolina apparently became interested in taxidermy, and would > practice on roadkill brought to her by her father; now she has her own > business in taxidermy. YES! Amy Ritchie! The girl who once made Venus > Flytrap hand puppets and sold them on her web site! I am proud to still have > my set of flytrap hand and finger puppets made by Ms Ritchie! > > Fabulous! > > Barry A. Rice, Ph.D. > Carnivorous Plant Newsletter, Coeditor > The International Carnivorous Plant Society > http://www.carnivorousplants.org ################### From: treaqum1 at yahoo.com (Tre Bond) Date: Fri Jan 7 12:55:28 2005 Subject: [CP] handpuppets/ Clarke Well two totally unrelated issues, Can these hand-puppets still be bought? Does anyone know is Charles Clarke related to Arthur C. Clarke. An article in our local newspaper interviewed Arthur who lives/d in the former Celyon (What is it called now?). Any way I heard Charles Clarke lives/d in the same are and both came from near the same area of England (if I am hearing correct facts). Tre ################### From: greyeagleorchis at earthlink.net (Andy Lanier) Date: Fri Jan 7 12:55:29 2005 Subject: [CP] Remember the hand puppets? I wasn't a member of the list when the Hand Puppets discussion was going on but I typed in Amy Ritchie Taxidermy and did a Google Search and found a large web site for her. She sounds like quite a girl. Andy Lanier Fantastic! Barry, thanks for this wonderful news. I remember that in 1999 as a 12-year-old she had spunk. She must be about 17 now. I recall that her budding enterprise also started the hand-puppet wars, where some of our scrooge listserve participants wanted to ban her for the audacious crime of trying to peddle her puppets to us. For a sample, see http://www.flytrap.demon.co.uk/digests/2005.txt -Bob- Barry Rice wrote: > Hey Folks, > > A funny thing happened over the holidays. One of my family members > decided that I clearly needed to own a copy of a "Ripley's Believe > it or Not" book. For those of you unfamiliar with this American > institution, Ripley's is a museum of the odd; it got its start by > publishing an illustrated article in the newspapers, etc., etc., > with facts like, "Did you know that botanist Robert Gibson can stick > his tongue into his ear?" and so on. (I'm not sure about that > statement regarding Robert, by the way.) > > Anyway, I was passing the time reading about people who had tattooed > themselves to look like lizards, and strange meteorological > phenomena like maggots raining from the sky, when I discovered a > surprising entry: A young woman in North Carolina apparently became > interested in taxidermy, and would practice on roadkill brought to > her by her father; now she has her own business in taxidermy. YES! > Amy Ritchie! The girl who once made Venus Flytrap hand puppets and > sold them on her web site! I am proud to still have my set of > flytrap hand and finger puppets made by Ms Ritchie! > > Fabulous! > > Barry A. Rice, Ph.D. Carnivorous Plant Newsletter, Coeditor The > International Carnivorous Plant Society > http://www.carnivorousplants.org ################### From: HmrTheHrmt at aol.com (HmrTheHrmt@aol.com) Date: Fri Jan 7 14:08:55 2005 Subject: [CP] handpuppets/ Clarke In a message dated 1/7/2005 12:56:05 PM Pacific Standard Time, treaqum1@yahoo.com writes: Well two totally unrelated issues, Can these hand-puppets still be bought? Does anyone know is Charles Clarke related to Arthur C. Clarke. An article in our local newspaper interviewed Arthur who lives/d in the former Celyon (What is it called now?). Any way I heard Charles Clarke lives/d in the same are and both came from near the same area of England (if I am hearing correct facts). Tre Or what is commonly referred to now, and quite frequently in the news these days, Sri Lanka. Arthur still lives there, and despite being arguably Sri Lanka's most famous resident, didn't get interviewed by any major media outlet after the tsunami that I saw. I did find an interview in the Malaysian Times. No idea if he's related to Charles or not. TTFN Hamir the Hermit "And there you have another example of how, while life for you is getting bigger and better, for someone else in the world, it's getting smaller and worse." ################### From: cteichreb at hotmail.com (Chris Teichreb) Date: Fri Jan 7 14:36:55 2005 Subject: [CP] Remember the hand puppets? > >I wasn't a member of the list when the Hand Puppets discussion was going on >but I typed in Amy Ritchie Taxidermy and did a Google Search and found a >large web site for her. She sounds like quite a girl. >Andy Lanier > Interesting website, definitely not for those who are opposed to hunting/skinning animals and photos/descriptions of it. I remember Amy and the puppet wars well. After viewing her taxidermy site, I'm sure the same people would not make any comments for fear of becoming an 'addition' to her collection ;-)! Hey, maybe she can deal with all the pesky squirrels from the annual squirrel wars! Chris ################### From: david.ahrens at btopenworld.com (DAVID AHRENS) Date: Fri Jan 7 14:58:59 2005 Subject: [CP] Narcotic effects of CP (now insect aquaplaning) ################### From: harryq1972 at hotmail.com (Harry Q) Date: Fri Jan 7 15:32:48 2005 Subject: [CP] Now just need these 4 native bladderworts I ordered some bladderworts that I needed from Meadowview,and still waiting for seeds of others I ordered for my collection. Now all I need are these 4 US native species(either states),then I am done. The first 2 are the main ones I really need,the last 2 are just something I would like to have. Utricularia radiata Utricularia resupinata Utricularia minor Utricularia olivacea Harry ################### From: CALIFCARN at aol.com (CALIFCARN@aol.com) Date: Fri Jan 7 15:35:08 2005 Subject: [CP] Re: Drugged Nectar ################### From: CMcdon0923 at aol.com (CMcdon0923@aol.com) Date: Fri Jan 7 15:50:56 2005 Subject: [CP] Remember the hand puppets? Amy has a website displaying some of her work...... www.amystaxidermy.com ################### From: cixcell at yahoo.com (Christopher Hind) Date: Sat Jan 8 15:42:33 2005 Subject: [CP] A message to Floridians Appreciate what you have. I'm not sure you quite realize how amazing your state is. I am a los angelean trying to relocate. The longer i visit your wonderful state the longer i lust after it and want to relocate here. I'm currently in fort lauderdale but going up to orlando and tampa next week applying for tech jobs the whole way. It is presently in the low 50s and pouring in los angeles but thats beside the point. My last 2 bosses at my last 2 jobs in california commuted 2 1/2 hours ONE WAY. For those in california that means riverside to brentwood and lake castaic to gardena. I was on the 95 going back to the hostel i'm staying at and the sun was setting and it wasnt gridlock. if this were the 405 north at sunset on a saturday the traffic coming home would be solid bumper to bumper. for those in california: i know because i would always come back on a saturday afternoon from vasquez rocks off the 14 or magic mountain off the 5 or something and as soon as you get near wilshire blvd and the 10 freeway it jams up solid. watch this website at 5pm PST on a weekday http://www.sigalert.com out by big cypress swamp today a woman was telling me who worked at the conservatory how homes in naples are so ridiculously expensive at the rate of $280k ----- WHAT?!??!?! do they even realize that there are homes selling for dramatically more than that in ghettos in california with bullets whizzing by? i just cant believe it Only the ultra rich can afford california or if you were there before the market exploded. Did you know many MANY young people such as my girlfriend and I and many of our friends are moving out of california because its completely unaffordable? I've been bragging to my parents and friends all week how i saw 1.71 gas here at a Marathon. Its still in the 1.90s out there. And finally, YOU CAN ACTUALLY GROW CARNIVOROUS PLANTS OUTSIDE NOT IN SOME CRAPPY GLASS TANK! PLEASE. PLEASE appreciate what you have. You don't know how bad it can be. ################### From: HmrTheHrmt at aol.com (HmrTheHrmt@aol.com) Date: Sat Jan 8 17:14:14 2005 Subject: [CP] A message to Floridians You know, you really should have done this as a top ten list. Of course, you missed one big negative factor for Florida. They have to put up with Jeb Bush as Governor! HAHAHAHA! ...what? Our Governor is Arnold Schwarzenegger? Guess it's a toss up on that one, then. TTFN Hamir the Hermit "And there you have another example of how, while life for you is getting bigger and better, for someone else in the world, it's getting smaller and worse." ################### From: treaqum1 at yahoo.com (Tre Bond) Date: Sun Jan 9 10:23:09 2005 Subject: [CP] wanted: Ping/Utric seed If you have any excess random Ping or Utric seed I would like it for SASE or trade. I am working on how to raise my germination/survival rate above 20%. Thanks, Tre ################### From: harryq1972 at hotmail.com (Harry Q) Date: Sun Jan 9 11:30:15 2005 Subject: [CP] My Growlist It been much easier to just post link to CP site where my list is listed. I just started out past spring,and my cp collection is still growing. But I only grow mainly what be native in my state,only very little are not native here. But I like them any way. I ordered some cp seeds,so as soon as I can get them to germinate in spring,I will update my list. I just don't want to add them if I can't get them to germinate. My Growlist http://www.cpukforum.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=6983 Wolf ################### From: slawarre at meijergardens.org (Steve LaWarre) Date: Sun Jan 9 13:39:38 2005 Subject: [CP] New Event listed on the ICPS event board A new event has been added to the ICPS News & Events page, titled: Acid-wetland ecology day June 11, 2005 at Hummer's place in Caroline Co. VA. USA You can check it out at: http://www.carnivorousplants.org/news/newsmain.php Thanks, Steve LaWarre ################### From: treaqum1 at yahoo.com (Tre Bond) Date: Sun Jan 9 14:00:22 2005 Subject: [CP] Florida Well true we do have perfect weather but people are such idiots around here. They practically think Florida is its own country, which needless to say leads to numerous court battles on civil rights. Oh, Yes the Civil War is still going on here, probibly because Florida never surrendered. The only bad thing is you cannot grow Lowland Neps, Mexican Pings, Tropical Drosera, Temperate Drosera, Temperate Pings, or Darlingtonia outside. Hence the reason I have very few of these plants. Although we have had slightly colder then normal winter weather you know mid 50s to mid 80s. I pity everyone where it is frozen who cannot run outside and see their cps everyday. Tre ################### From: harryq1972 at hotmail.com (Harry Q) Date: Sun Jan 9 14:34:36 2005 Subject: [CP] Florida I only grow US natives,mainly of the eastcoast. So growing them outside here in Maryland is no problem. The pitcher plants,flytraps,and sundews are in pots with mix of long-fiber S. moss and perlite. When temps get below freezing,I bring them in,depending on species? Like S. flava and purpurea ssp. venosa. My Dwarf sundews are in the house by a window. My bladderworts are also in the house by the window. The aquatic ones are in Glad-Lock tuffawear with little long-fiber S.moss and distilled water. I only have the one mud type that I bought from you,and at this time its just in a old yogar cup w/lid in wet long-fiber moss. Wolf ################### From: harryq1972 at hotmail.com (Harry Q) Date: Sun Jan 9 14:39:16 2005 Subject: [CP] CP Group At Care2 Carnivorous Plants http://www.care2.com/c2c/group/carnivorous_plants Wolf ################### From: treaqum1 at yahoo.com (Tre Bond) Date: Sun Jan 9 15:36:21 2005 Subject: [CP] Wanted Mexican Pings I will trade for the following pings: P. colimensis P. crassifolia P. cyclosecta P. debbertiana P. ehlersiae P. emarginata P. esseriana P. esseriana {Giant} P. gypsicola P. hemiepiphytica P. immaculata P. jaumavensis P. kondoi P. laueana P. macrophylla P. moctezumae P. orchidioides P. potosiensis P. rotundiflora P. zecheri P. spec. ANPA C (Tonala, Puebla, Mexico; very unique flower) P. spec. Köhres P. spec. "I" Hautil P. spec. Tamaulipas (= P. pilosa) My trade items avalible at [URL=http://www.geocities.com/Treaqum1/Trade.html]www.geocites.com/Treaqum1/Trade.html[/URL]I also have D. filformis ssp. tracyi 'Buck Pond' ################### From: sclancy at uci.edu (sclancy) Date: Sun Jan 9 15:36:48 2005 Subject: [CP] handpuppets I also bought some of the handpuppets from Amy and even sent her some plants. I lost track of her, and thankfully missed the "handpuppet wars." She has grown into a beautiful young woman and has moved into other things. I think that her experience on this group soured her on CP for life. She has become well-known and has appeared on both Radio and TV for her taxidemy work. Good for you Amy! --steve -- Steve Clancy, MLS AHIP Acting Medical Education Coordinator, Library Proxy Coordinator Science Library, Univ. of Calif., Irvine CA. U.S.A. 949-824-7309 * sclancy AT uci.edu * sun3.lib.uci.edu/~sclancy --------------------------------------------------------------- "I see dead spammers." >Message: 1 >Date: Fri, 7 Jan 2005 12:55:12 -0800 (PST) >From: Tre Bond >Subject: [CP] handpuppets/ Clarke >To: Cp@omnisterra.com >Message-ID: <20050107205512.77441.qmail@web53301.mail.yahoo.com> >Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > >Well two totally unrelated issues, >Can these hand-puppets still be bought? >Does anyone know is Charles Clarke related to Arthur C. Clarke. An article in our local newspaper interviewed Arthur who lives/d in the former Celyon (What is it called now?). Any way I heard Charles Clarke lives/d in the same are and both came from near the same area of England (if I am hearing correct facts). >Tre > >__________________________________________________ >Do You Yahoo!? >Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around >http://mail.yahoo.com > >------------------------------ > >Message: 2 >Date: Fri, 7 Jan 2005 15:54:34 -0500 >From: "Andy Lanier" >Subject: Re: [CP] Remember the hand puppets? >To: "Carnivorous Plant Discussion group" >Message-ID: <005f01c4f4fb$18641f80$a018a5d1@andy> >Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > >I wasn't a member of the list when the Hand Puppets discussion was going on but I typed in Amy Ritchie Taxidermy and did a Google Search and found a large web site for her. She sounds like quite a girl. >Andy Lanier > > > Fantastic! Barry, thanks for this wonderful news. > > I remember that in 1999 as a 12-year-old she had spunk. She must be > about 17 now. I recall that her budding enterprise also started the > hand-puppet wars, where some of our scrooge listserve participants > wanted to ban her for the audacious crime of trying to peddle her > puppets to us. For a sample, see > http://www.flytrap.demon.co.uk/digests/2005.txt > > -Bob- > > > > ################### From: pbunch at cox.net (Phil Bunch) Date: Mon Jan 10 07:59:06 2005 Subject: [CP] Intro and Colombian CP's Hi all: I'm a complete novice with regard to CP's but have spent my career in the biological arm of environmental regulation. I currently work for a utility company and manage our T&E species program. I have an interest in the tropical highlands of Colombia and would like to learn about CP's that occur in those areas, particularly in the Department of Antioquia. Looking forward to participating in this list. Phil Bunch -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.300 / Virus Database: 265.6.9 - Release Date: 1/6/2005 ################### From: pbunch at cox.net (Phil Bunch) Date: Mon Jan 10 09:59:15 2005 Subject: [CP] RE: Colombia & CP / Ivo Koudela's new address Ivo: Do you know if any of the plants you mentioned in your post occur in Antioquia? Any above 2000 m? Phil Bunch -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.300 / Virus Database: 265.6.10 - Release Date: 1/10/2005 ################### From: willows at rose.net (James A Rollins) Date: Mon Jan 10 12:54:58 2005 Subject: [CP] To Want to be in FL not CA ################### From: utricularia4242 at hotmail.com (Travis Wyman) Date: Mon Jan 10 12:58:14 2005 Subject: [CP] To Want to be in FL not CA Hey James, I had one going outside this past spring/summer and it was doing alright till the birds decided that digging up the pot would be a fun thing to do. Travis >From: "James A Rollins" > >(Has any one tried Cephalotus outside in the SE US?) ################### From: ullsperg at hotmail.com (Chris Ullsperger) Date: Mon Jan 10 15:09:28 2005 Subject: [CP] RE: Mexian pings wanted >From that want list, I noticed the following: P. spec. ANPA C (Tonala, Puebla, Mexico; very unique flower) I purchased this plant from Best Carnivorous Plants last summer and was very pleased to see flowers already this winter. They are truly beautiful -- a bright lavender/pink with dark purple markings -- unlike any of the flowers on my other pings and very worthwhile (I have many other fine Best CP pings to compare -- a fine and recommended purveyor, especially when the Euro/dollar ratio is not so steep ...). cu ################### From: dinesh at ndbib.lanka.net (Dinesh Fernando) Date: Tue Jan 11 01:43:38 2005 Subject: [CP] handpuppets / Clarke Dr. Clarke still lives in Sri Lanka (formerly Ceylon). > >Message: 1 > >Date: Fri, 7 Jan 2005 12:55:12 -0800 (PST) > >From: Tre Bond > >Subject: [CP] handpuppets/ Clarke > >To: Cp@omnisterra.com > >Message-ID: <20050107205512.77441.qmail@web53301.mail.yahoo.com> > >Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > > > >Does anyone know is Charles Clarke related to Arthur C. Clarke. An article in our local newspaper interviewed Arthur who lives/d in the former Celyon (What is it called now?). Any way I heard Charles Clarke lives/d in the same are and both came from near the same area of England (if I am hearing correct facts). > >Tre ################### From: sardonus at yahoo.com (Hamish McKellar) Date: Tue Jan 11 02:33:40 2005 Subject: [CP] handpuppets / Clarke Dinesh - I think you're referring to Arthur C. Clarke, who as far as I know doesn't have a doctorate, honorary or otherwise (although he does have a knighthood, so you can refer to him as Sir Arthur C. Clarke). He does indeed live in Sri Lanka. ... Dr Charles Clarke, noted biologist and Nepenthes expert, lives in Australia... Hamish --- Dinesh Fernando wrote: > Dr. Clarke still lives in Sri Lanka (formerly > Ceylon). > > > > >Message: 1 > > >Date: Fri, 7 Jan 2005 12:55:12 -0800 (PST) > > >From: Tre Bond > > >Subject: [CP] handpuppets/ Clarke > > >To: Cp@omnisterra.com > > >Message-ID: > <20050107205512.77441.qmail@web53301.mail.yahoo.com> > > >Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > > > > > >Does anyone know is Charles Clarke related to > Arthur C. Clarke. An > article in our local newspaper interviewed Arthur > who lives/d in the former > Celyon (What is it called now?). Any way I heard > Charles Clarke lives/d in > the same are and both came from near the same area > of England (if I am > hearing correct facts). > > >Tre > > > _______________________________________________ > Cp mailing list > Cp@omnisterra.com > http://mail.omnisterra.com/mailman/listinfo/cp_omnisterra.com > ___________________________________________________________ ALL-NEW Yahoo! Messenger - all new features - even more fun! http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com ################### From: treaqum1 at yahoo.com (Tre Bond) Date: Tue Jan 11 14:17:39 2005 Subject: [CP] Re: Florida Well I have burned my bog, before I moved it. Make sure you line the edge with tinfoil, then the rubber or plastic will not melt. The good thing is that ping and Drosera seed that falls in your bog (native speices) will geminate the next winter. The really bad thing about Florida is the limited Trade time. You can first-class or priority mail (In NE florida) from Oct. 1st to Mid April. Everyone else (where it snows) can usually only agree between Mid March to Nov. 1st. Obviously I have traded with a bunch of people who do not, but I think the majority do. ################### From: Markus.Welge at teleos.de (Welge, Markus) Date: Wed Jan 12 00:54:03 2005 Subject: [CP] RE: Mexian pings wanted I also grow P. spec. ANPA C (Tonala, Puebla, Mexico). It's indeed a very nice species. There are also two other forms (ANPA B and ANPA D) which are quite different and as far as I know there is also a white flowered form... Markus, Germany ______________________________________________ Karnivoren in Kultur... http://home.sdirekt-net.de/mwelge5/ To: Cp@omnisterra.com Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed >From that want list, I noticed the following: P. spec. ANPA C (Tonala, Puebla, Mexico; very unique flower) I purchased this plant from Best Carnivorous Plants last summer and was very pleased to see flowers already this winter. They are truly beautiful -- a bright lavender/pink with dark purple markings -- unlike any of the flowers on my other pings and very worthwhile (I have many other fine Best CP pings to compare -- a fine and recommended purveyor, especially when the Euro/dollar ratio is not so steep ...). cu ################### From: CDunn316 at aol.com (CDunn316@aol.com) Date: Wed Jan 12 15:00:45 2005 Subject: [CP] Bog Burning ################### From: rrz7001 at humboldt.edu (Robert Ziemer) Date: Wed Jan 12 15:14:36 2005 Subject: [CP] Bog Burning It probably depends on what you have growing in it. If you have species that are fire-adapted, and if you need to control overtopping by "weeds", it may be desirable. If, however, your plants have evolved in a natural habitat without fire, then burning may simply kill those and favor the fire-adapted species. -Bob- CDunn316@aol.com wrote: > Hi All- I seem to have missed this thread, so forgive me if I'm re-hashing > old business. > Is it generally agreed that burnig will benefit a small, bog garden? If so > (apparently so) what, and when, is the best way to go about it? > Regards, > Charlie ################### From: treaqum1 at yahoo.com (Tre Bond) Date: Wed Jan 12 15:26:34 2005 Subject: [CP] Barry's leaf pullings I have to dissagree with Barry's idea not being at least semi-unique. I have reserched it and have not found in any of my cp books that part fo the rhizome is not needed. They all seem to say that a small piece of rhizome must be attached or the cutting will fail. Maybe the authors meant the whitish leaf base but the two or three sentences are too consice to tell. ################### From: JDPDX at aol.com (JDPDX@aol.com) Date: Wed Jan 12 15:40:56 2005 Subject: [CP] D. Darnowski Does anyone know if Doug Darnowski is still on the listserve? I believe he lives in Florence, OR. Jeff Dallas Portland, OR ################### From: rrz7001 at humboldt.edu (Robert Ziemer) Date: Wed Jan 12 16:44:34 2005 Subject: [CP] D. Darnowski I believe he is (was) at School of Natural Sciences, Indiana University Southeast. http://www.ius.edu/NaturalSciences/Faculty.cfm JDPDX@aol.com wrote: > Does anyone know if Doug Darnowski is still on the listserve? I believe he > lives in Florence, OR. > > Jeff Dallas > Portland, OR ################### From: harryq1972 at hotmail.com (Harry Q) Date: Wed Jan 12 21:02:16 2005 Subject: [CP] Wanted: US/Canada native Utricularia purpurea Wanted: Bladderworts(location plants native to any states) Purple Bladderwort Utricularia purpurea Wolf ################### From: sundew at hotmail.com (Sundew) Date: Thu Jan 13 08:28:24 2005 Subject: [CP] Hi folks, I'm sorry for the 2nd post. This will be my last. I'm wrapping up my latest seed offer so if you missed it the first time, please email me right away. There's definitely enough D.meristocaulis seed to meet demand so don't be shy if you're interested. Others are in smaller quantities, but don't let this discourage you. Multiple packet requests are ok as long as I have enough. Seed from the same batch has just started germinating for me. :) I want to get rid of my extras ASAP and be done with this seed offer so I can get my life back again! See below for details. Hi friends, I have some REALLY exciting news. D.meristocaulis! hirticalyx, roraimae, Genlisea = New South American Seed Available! After many years, Drosera meristocaulis, probably the most interesting and desirable Drosera ever, has been rediscovered and I've got seed available along with other new stuff - please see below. THIS OFFER IS OPEN TO CP GROWERS IN ANY COUNTRY. I'm extremely happy to announce that I have a small quantity of seed of some more plants never before seen in cultivation. I'm in the US but this offer is open to CPers is ANY country, as long as seed imports don't require any paperwork. Seed includes the following species, some from multiple locations - it's amazing how plants of the same species found on different mountains can be so different! For example, check out the pics of D.roraimae. All of this stuff is obviously extremely rare and the expedition to collect them cost an unbelievably large amount of money. The prices will be relatively high due to these costs, but I certainly feel they're fair. ----DROSERA MERISTOCAULIS---- This is probably the most interesting and beautiful Drosera known to science) http://sundewgrower.com/neblina/D.meristocaulis%20closeup%20Neblina%2011.JPG http://sundewgrower.com/neblina/D.meristocaulis%20flower%20Neblina%2010.JPG ----DROSERA HIRTICALYX---- http://sundewgrower.com/neblina/D.hirticalyx%20Marahuaka%2003.jpg http://sundewgrower.com/neblina/D.hirticalyx%20Marahuaka%2016.jpg (It's likely only the Neblina form will be available) ----DROSERA RORAIMAE---- http://sundewgrower.com/neblina/D.roraimae%20Avispa.JPG http://sundewgrower.com/neblina/D.roraimae%20Jaua%202.JPG http://sundewgrower.com/neblina/D.roraimae%20Marahuaka.JPG http://sundewgrower.com/neblina/D.roraimae%20Neblina%201.JPG ----GENLISEA---- =Genlisea repens These photos were taken by CP explorer and my personal hero, Fernando Rivadavia and are being used with his permission. Please don't link to them without our permission or copy them without his permission. Some of this seed is now available for a very limited time so please contact me immediately if you're interested. I'll accept set cash donations (email for details) in exchange. A large percentage of donations will go right back to an excellent cause - helping to fund the acquisition of more new material like this for us all to grow. Heck, donations may have to help pay outstanding bills from this expedition! Be sure to check your spam folders in case my next announcement gets filtered out of your inbox! Spread the word - these gorgeous and rare plants deserve to be in every collection! Happy growing, Matt ################### From: dglidden at illusionary.com (Derek Glidden) Date: Thu Jan 13 08:42:46 2005 Subject: [CP] bog garden fun in Florida I decided I wanted to redo the bog garden this winter as everything went dormant; move some plants out into other containers, refresh the soil and check the liner, etc. Well, lucky for me, as the bog dried out and the plants went dormant, the fire ants moved in. I spent a REALLY lovely six hours or so digging all the plants out by hand* while trying to simultaneously slap the ants off of my hands and ankles. I'm now itching like mad and my hands and feet look like a bad case of chicken pox. The bog is only about 8x3' and somehow managed to hold two separate colonies on either end. The biggest colony up front managed to take over almost 1/4 of the bog, while the smaller colony in the back had only taken over about 1^3' worth of space, but lemme tell ya, both sets got really torqued when the shovel went in. On the plus side, I got to see first hand what it was like to slaughter about a zillion fire ants as opposed to one at a time with a magnifying glass or in slightly larger quantities with M-80s. So yeah, Florida's just dandy.... * It's a lot more difficult than it sounds when everything's gone dormant, the leaves have mostly fallen off and the rhizomes/tubers/etc are mostly hidden under the sphagnum that has happily taken over the surface of the bog. It's a bit like finding needles in a haystack, said haystack being filled with fire ants... ################### From: CTSsangha at aol.com (CTSsangha@aol.com) Date: Thu Jan 13 09:42:00 2005 Subject: [CP] New South American Seed Available! D.meristocaulis! how much is the seed Matt?? ################### From: AppleCakeTeaRoom at aol.com (AppleCakeTeaRoom@aol.com) Date: Thu Jan 13 21:45:46 2005 Subject: [CP] It figures at 3am.... It figures that at 3 am the really cool stuff is actually on tv, and at that the local station to boot! Being a night owl, I actually went to bed last night at 3am. I got a tv for my room for Christmas so I was flipping channels, hoping to find a good program to snooze away to. What should I stumble on the local station for ComCast at 3am? A local woman from Tarrant County, Texas discussing how to set up a carnivorous plant bog! Add to that she actually knew what she was talking about! She discussed VFTs, and Sarracenias (lol, didn't call them pitcher plants, she actually knew what they were), and proceeded to show how to set up a mobile CP display in a Radio Flyer red wagon. Her CP displays are often permanently set in Wagons because she goes to local schools to talk about the different CPs. Smart idea! She apparently has been growing CPs in ground bogs in Texas for at least 5 years. Thought I'd share my midnight delight...err actually 3am delight! ;-) ################### From: dhcl604 at yahoo.com (David Heule) Date: Fri Jan 14 03:13:40 2005 Subject: [CP] In Search of Sarracenia Hello, Does anyone know where I can purchase Sarracenia purpurea ssp. venosa var. burkii forma luteola? I had bought it from the Atlanta Botanical Gardens in 1999 but lost it during a move. There is a photo of it in Donald E. Schnell's Carnivorous Plants of the United States and Canada on page 139. Thanks. David H. __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - Easier than ever with enhanced search. Learn more. http://info.mail.yahoo.com/mail_250 ################### From: sundew at hotmail.com (Sundew) Date: Fri Jan 14 09:21:12 2005 Subject: [CP] Fluorescent bulbs? Hi everyone, I'm about to change all my 40 watt fluorescent bulbs. I've been using 2 cool white, 1 warm and 1 plant and aquarium bulb per shelf for years but may change this time so I wanted some recommendations from people with great results growing Drosera under lights. Anyone? Also, does anyone switch bulbs to encourage flowering? Thanks, Matt -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= SundewMatt: Carnivorous Plant Grower Since 1984 DEDICATED TO THE CULTIVATION AND PRESERVATION OF DROSERA I am always looking for new contacts living in or travelling to Africa, South America or other tropical / subtropical places. Please visit my website at http://www.sundewgrower.com/index.html -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= ################### From: christoph_belanger2001 at yahoo.com (Christoph Belanger) Date: Fri Jan 14 12:57:35 2005 Subject: [CP] Flourescent Lights - need heliamphora key I use mostly daylight (I think 5000K) 3 flourescent bulbs in conjunction with one grow light. My logic for this is that the Venezuelan and other Drosera grow in higher altitudes with higher lighting intensities. I don't know if this logic makes any sense, but I just switched all my bulbs in August and I have flower stalks on all of my mature Heliamphoras (3 very different-looking clones of heterodoxa and one nutans). At ther very least I will be able to identify my Heliamphora... Can anyone email to me (privately please so as not to annoy everyone) Fernando's Heliamphora key me? It seems my Heliamphora heard my wishes and decided to flower... Christoph __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ################### From: Writerguy67 at aol.com (Writerguy67@aol.com) Date: Fri Jan 14 13:18:17 2005 Subject: [CP] Flourescent Lights - need heliamphora key Christoph, Do you vary photoperiod on your Heliamphora? I use standard cool white 40 watt, 48" T12 cool white tubes on my Heliamphora. Many of my mature species and hybrid Heliamphora clones are likewise sending up scapes (or would be if I left them alone). Not a change in lighting, only in photoperiod (16 hours high down to 12 hours now) and ambient temperature. Jay Lechtman Northern Virginia, USA ################### From: cteichreb at hotmail.com (Chris Teichreb) Date: Fri Jan 14 16:45:18 2005 Subject: [CP] It figures at 3am.... >She discussed VFTs, and Sarracenias (lol, didn't call them pitcher plants, >she actually knew what they were), and proceeded to show how to set up a >mobile > CP display in a Radio Flyer red wagon. Her CP displays are often >permanently set in Wagons because she goes to local schools to talk about >the >different CPs. Smart idea! Cool idea. Very convenient for show and tell type displays. I wonder if the wagons start to rust out over time though? Or have they gone the way of plastic (a national tragedy if they have!). Chris ################### From: cplistserv at carnivorousplant.com (Joseph Clemens) Date: Fri Jan 14 17:16:38 2005 Subject: [CP] Fluorescent lights? Hello Matt and List, For about 10 years now I have been exclusively using the least expensive "cool white" 48" T12 fluorescent lamps I am able to locate. Providing 4 - 6 lamps per 2 foot x 4 foot shelf and with a 15 hour/day photoperiod by use of timers has provided me with excellent coloration and plant growth in all plants I have used and recommend this protocol on; Drosera, Pinguicula, Cephalotus, Utricularia, Sarracenia, and Heliamphora. I recently heard of an idea to overdrive fluorescent lights to obtain even more light per lamp -- I am experimenting with the use of this idea now. I went down to our local "Home Depot" store and purchased some 48 inch Shop light fixtures for $7.97 each (this is much cheaper even than purchasing replacement ballasts). They are pre-assembled and I spent most of the day disassembling every other one and them reassembling each pair into one overdriven dual-lamp unit, rewiring each ballast to overdrive a single lamp. I removed the ballast from one, rewired it to power a single lamp vs. dual lamps and inserted it into a light fixture where I had already rewired the on-board ballast to power one single lamp. It is easy to see that the lamps are burning much brighter - I have read reports that this produces 70% more light per lamp. I am curious to see how long the lamps last when overdriven like this. I am much more curious to find out how the plants respond to the increase in light. The fixtures come without lamps. Fortunately I had earlier located a clearance sale on Philips F40T12/Contractors CW/Alto lamps, 30 lamps for $20.00 or about $.67 each. My stockpile of these is quickly diminishing so I am anxiously looking for other sales of similar lamps. ################### From: sundew at hotmail.com (Sundew) Date: Sat Jan 15 07:47:15 2005 Subject: [CP] Fernando at BACPS meeting Hey folks. Is anyone going to be capturing Fernando's presentation today on video? If so,email me privately. I'm interested in seeing it! Thanks Matt -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= SundewMatt: Carnivorous Plant Grower Since 1984 DEDICATED TO THE CULTIVATION AND PRESERVATION OF DROSERA I am always looking for new contacts living in or travelling to Africa, South America or other tropical / subtropical places. Please visit my website at http://www.sundewgrower.com/index.html -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= ################### From: wwells1 at concentric.net (Bill Wells) Date: Sat Jan 15 08:53:25 2005 Subject: [CP] Fluorescent bulbs? "Sundew" wrote: > > Hi everyone, > I'm about to change all my 40 watt fluorescent bulbs. I've been using 2 > cool white, 1 warm and 1 plant and aquarium bulb per shelf for years but may > change this time so I wanted some recommendations from people with great > results growing Drosera under lights. > Anyone? Also, does anyone switch bulbs to encourage flowering? > Thanks, > Matt > > -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= > SundewMatt: Carnivorous Plant Grower Since 1984 I have been using compact fluorescent bulbs with success both for aquatic plants (including Utricularia) as well as CPs. Compact fluorescent lights produce more light per watt than regular fluorescent lights. A color temperature of 5000K through 6700K works well. I put most of my CPs outside during the summer, but the lights work well in the winter and I do use them in the summer for some small plants that I don't put ourside. I have gotten P. primulaflora and D. capensis flower under compact fluorescents. I haven't tried to get others to flower under artificial light yet, but it should work as they have a good spectrum and a high intensity. I have purchased from http://www.ahsupply.com, but there are other suppliers. Later, Bill Wells ################### From: AppleCakeTeaRoom at aol.com (AppleCakeTeaRoom@aol.com) Date: Sat Jan 15 12:15:59 2005 Subject: [CP] Re: It figures at 3am.... In a message dated 1/15/2005 2:02:51 P.M. Central Standard Time, Cp-request@omnisterra.com writes: Cool idea. Very convenient for show and tell type displays. I wonder if the wagons start to rust out over time though? Or have they gone the way of plastic (a national tragedy if they have!). Chris It would also be great setup for plants that are temperature sensitive that would benefit from daylight weather, and would enjoy hanging out inside for the night. I was wondering the same thing, and would be hesitant to use this method for that reason, however looking at the Red Radio flyer wagon we use for my dog's carting, it seems to have quite a good coating of plastic and paint over it, and it hasn't rusted yet after 3 years of use during the winter months. ################### From: mikeferr at nycap.rr.com (Mike) Date: Sat Jan 15 16:04:12 2005 Subject: [CP] Fluorescent lights? Hi, I have been using compact fluorescent lights made by Lights of America for over a year with excellent results for all of my CPs. These lights are so bright that they're painful to stare at. They are marketed as floodlights but if you scrap the plastic lens and add a power cord they make great plant lights. I fasten two of them to a pair of 1 1/2" x 3/4" x 30" boards to make a very serviceable light fixture. Home Depot carries them and they are also selling on Ebay but I find it cheaper to buy the lights and replacement bulbs directly from the manufacturer in Massachusetts. http://www.lightsofamerica.com/floods.htm# Mike F. Here are the lamp specs: Model #'s 9265, 9266 Watts Used 65 Incandescent Wattage Equivalent 500 Size (H x D) 4.25 x 3.5 Color White, Brown Lumens 4550 Efficiency 87% Life 10,000 hrs CRI 82 Color Temp 6,500K Op. Voltage 120V Op. Freq (Hz) 50/60 3-Way NO Dimmable NO Outdoor Use (damp) NO UL YES CSA YES Energy Star YES Replacement Lamp 9166B ################### From: alexnetherton at charter.net (Alex Netherton) Date: Sat Jan 15 18:04:53 2005 Subject: [CP] Blooming Nep Hi folks; I have a N. x Judith Finn that is blooming. It is a male. It bloomed last year, spreading pollen all over the place to the point I cut off the bloom scapes - I don't suspect anyone wants Judith Finn pollen... It always seems to start this around New Year, and it makes pitchers in around August. Is there any evidence for photoperiodicity in Neps? Seems so in mine. Also, are all Judith Finn males? When it blooms it doesn't seem to make upper pitchers; all the former summer pitchers are dried up by then, and none are forthcoming until next summer; go figger. I do drop in a few beads of Osmocote fertilizer about May, but it receives little food otherwise. Potted in pure Peat moss. Alex Netherton http://alexnetherton.com -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.300 / Virus Database: 265.6.12 - Release Date: 1/14/2005 ################### From: pramodisha at yahoo.com (Pramod Agrawal) Date: Sat Jan 15 18:13:36 2005 Subject: [CP] I need help with TC for all veroieties of CPs. Dear Members, I am a new member from India. I need with help with protocols for CP tissue culture for all verieties of CPs. Please send me relevant information and links. Best Regards, Pramod. ################### From: pramodisha at yahoo.com (Pramod Agrawal) Date: Sat Jan 15 18:13:47 2005 Subject: [CP] I need help with TC for all verieties of CPs. Dear Members, I am a new member from India. I need with help with protocols for CP tissue culture for all verieties of CPs. Please send me relevant information and links. Best Regards, Pramod. ################### From: kit at carnivorousplants.nyc.ny.us (Kit Halsted) Date: Sat Jan 15 18:18:59 2005 Subject: [CP] Fluorescent lights? I had awful results with those lights. They're great until there's a glitch in the electricity, then they just die. I went through 3, then gave up on trying to use them. The manufacturer was really unhelpful, I never did get an RMA to return them. (No reflection on you, Mike, just saying that my experience wasn't as good as yours.) -Kit At 7:04 PM -0500 1/15/05, Mike wrote: >Hi, > >I have been using compact fluorescent lights made by Lights of >America for over a year with excellent results for all of my CPs. <...> -- Kit Halsted - kit@carnivorousplants.nyc.ny.us Brooklyn, NY, USDA Zone 7a ################### From: didgerowe at gotalk.net.au (Didge) Date: Sun Jan 16 22:22:56 2005 Subject: [CP] Contacting the NZ CP forum How does someone currently join the New Zealand Carnivorous Plant Forum. The only link I can find no longer works??? Regards Didge Rowe. List owner A web page for the real living stones. ################### From: Markus.Welge at teleos.de (Welge, Markus) Date: Mon Jan 17 07:11:49 2005 Subject: AW: [CP] Flourescent Lights - need heliamphora key You're indeed right to say that Heliamphora and Drosera from high altitudes also requires high light levels. And even when the plants grow in partial shade in their natural habitat they receive more light then in full sun in our regions or under any artificial lights. I think that light is the most important factor for a good and healthy growth. I grow my Heliamphora under 400W High Pressure Sodium Light. I also have very good results with TRUE-LIGHT bulbs which I use for Drosera and Genlisea. They get a very natural colour under this lights. But as far as I know flowers are induced because of lower temperatures and as Heliamphora are flowering in their natural habitat mostly in winter I think the light levels are not unsignificant but don't have such an influence on the flower production. But I can't speak for Drosera because I only grow a handful. Markus, Germany ______________________________________________ Karnivoren in Kultur... http://home.sdirekt-net.de/mwelge5/ >--------------------------------------------------------------------- > >Message: 1 >Date: Fri, 14 Jan 2005 12:57:25 -0800 (PST) >From: Christoph Belanger >Subject: [CP] Flourescent Lights - need heliamphora key >To: Cp@omnisterra.com >Message-ID: <20050114205725.72313.qmail@web53806.mail.yahoo.com> >Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > >I use mostly daylight (I think 5000K) 3 flourescent >bulbs in conjunction with one grow light. My logic >for this is that the Venezuelan and other Drosera grow >in higher altitudes with higher lighting intensities. >I don't know if this logic makes any sense, but I just >switched all my bulbs in August and I have flower >stalks on all of my mature Heliamphoras (3 very >different-looking clones of heterodoxa and one >nutans). At ther very least I will be able to >identify my Heliamphora... > >Can anyone email to me (privately please so as not to >annoy everyone) Fernando's Heliamphora key me? It >seems my Heliamphora heard my wishes and decided to >flower... > >Christoph ################### From: pbunch at cox.net (Phil Bunch) Date: Mon Jan 17 07:44:22 2005 Subject: [CP] Flourescent Lights - need heliamphora key At -75.57N 8.26N (Venezuela Mountains +/- 2000 meters) minimum temp varies about 3C between Jan and June. Maximum temp varies about 1C. Seasonal photoperiod varies between about hour and 1.5 hours between 6 and 10 degrees of latitude. Some plants do respond to small seasonal variations in night-length. Perhaps a long (at least a year) exposure to this level of variation or would synch the plants? Phil Bunch -----Original Message----- Of Welge, Markus Sent: Monday, January 17, 2005 7:12 AM To: Cp@omnisterra.com You're indeed right to say that Heliamphora and Drosera from high altitudes also requires high light levels. And even when the plants grow in partial shade in their natural habitat they receive more light then in full sun in our regions or under any artificial lights. I think that light is the most important factor for a good and healthy growth. I grow my Heliamphora under 400W High Pressure Sodium Light. I also have very good results with TRUE-LIGHT bulbs which I use for Drosera and Genlisea. They get a very natural colour under this lights. But as far as I know flowers are induced because of lower temperatures and as Heliamphora are flowering in their natural habitat mostly in winter I think the light levels are not unsignificant but don't have such an influence on the flower production. But I can't speak for Drosera because I only grow a handful. Markus, Germany ______________________________________________ Karnivoren in Kultur... http://home.sdirekt-net.de/mwelge5/ >--------------------------------------------------------------------- > >Message: 1 >Date: Fri, 14 Jan 2005 12:57:25 -0800 (PST) >From: Christoph Belanger >Subject: [CP] Flourescent Lights - need heliamphora key >To: Cp@omnisterra.com >Message-ID: <20050114205725.72313.qmail@web53806.mail.yahoo.com> >Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > >I use mostly daylight (I think 5000K) 3 flourescent >bulbs in conjunction with one grow light. My logic >for this is that the Venezuelan and other Drosera grow >in higher altitudes with higher lighting intensities. >I don't know if this logic makes any sense, but I just >switched all my bulbs in August and I have flower >stalks on all of my mature Heliamphoras (3 very >different-looking clones of heterodoxa and one >nutans). At ther very least I will be able to >identify my Heliamphora... > >Can anyone email to me (privately please so as not to >annoy everyone) Fernando's Heliamphora key me? It >seems my Heliamphora heard my wishes and decided to >flower... > >Christoph _______________________________________________ Cp mailing list Cp@omnisterra.com http://mail.omnisterra.com/mailman/listinfo/cp_omnisterra.com -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.300 / Virus Database: 265.6.13 - Release Date: 1/16/2005 -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.300 / Virus Database: 265.6.13 - Release Date: 1/16/2005 ################### From: dpevans at rci.rutgers.edu (Dave Evans) Date: Mon Jan 17 13:16:28 2005 Subject: [CP] news on nepenthesofthailand.com Dear Marcello and CP'ers, I was wondering, what species of _Drosera_ are present, along with the _Nepenthes_? In this photo: http://www.nepenthesofthailand.com/foto2/Pirot1.jpg There appears to be a tuberous _Drosera_ growing right next to the _N. smilesii_. It makes sense to me, since this is the only, or one of a few species of _Nepenthes_ that can form "tubers"--or at least hide underground for several months. Please see: http://www.rci.rutgers.edu/~dpevans/N_kampotiana.htm Do you think this plant is _N. smilesii_? It is grown from seed produced by plants imported from Cambodia back in the early eighties or late seventies. If I have the history correct, all, or nearly all of the original plants of this kind have died out, due to the plants entering dormancy, many grower disposed of the pots before the plants returned from underground :( Or, they rotted due to being too wet. Luckily, there were both males and females and some seed was produced. My plant is supposed to be female. I am wondering what would cause it to flower? The tuberous sundews flower every year, but then again, they go dormant every summer, while this _Nepenthes_ does not... Thanks, Dave Evans -----Original Message----- Of marcello catalano Sent: Monday, November 29, 2004 12:37 PM To: Cp@omnisterra.com Dear all, I've just added the latest news to my www.nepenthesofthailand.com, they're listed on the first page, but just to make you curious: -the new taxon N. "Viking" was added to the conclusions so far; -a few pics by Tom Kahl were added to the Phu Kradung note, in the northeast map; -a new note and 3 pics of N. mirabilis, thanks to our thai agent Duke, were added to the Center Map; -the new Nepenthes of Cambodia is online, together with a few pics and notes by Julien Gedrusiak; -the new Vip bookmarks will show you how this website is becoming a point of reference for the whole planet; -also a few new lines and pics about N. Viking, thanks to Nong, Duke and Shigeo Kurata, at the bottom of The Trip page please, this site will find its best improvement in your contributions! Thanks! Marcello Catalano ################### From: treaqum1 at yahoo.com (Tre Bond) Date: Mon Jan 17 16:06:57 2005 Subject: [CP] Crestview,Ivan damage Hey Everyone, I am happy to report that due to exact directions I was able to find the Crestviewsite. It is still there. I do not think the owner was too happy. It will be hard for him to ditch and drain because there is a fairly large lake behind the site full of Sarracenia. I cannot remember who but I know it was one of muy friends in Atlanta who gave me directions. You guys did a good job cleaning the site out, saving the Sarrs. I only found 8, 7 gulfness and 1 leuco. I got soem great pictures also. Hurrican Ivan did not do much damage to our hungary friends. All the locations I went to were fine, except many Sarrs had died down to near groundlevel, undoubtedly because of high winds. Biophilia did not hava any damage. I am happy to report that from the owner (Carol Lovell) I bought about 300 S. flava seeds from the infamous Navarre publix site. I do not know the websit,( but its title is gulfcoast Carnivores or something like that) that has pictures of this site with all the S. flava. Tre ################### From: john.wilden at hmce.gsi.gov.uk (Wilden, John {HQ Lpl, LIV BIT, LIV RBS North}) Date: Mon Jan 17 23:36:44 2005 Subject: [CP] CPN (again) Dear all (ICPS officers in particular), Has there been any problems with the distribution of the December ICPN in Europe? I note that subscribers in the US seemed to have their copies prior to Christmas, but I have yet to receive mine. I thought that leaving it a while, given that the holiday season creates mayhem in the postal system, would eventually pay dividends, but so far my copy is a no-show.Have any other European subscribers received theirs yet? If I was paranoid I'd swear that this is nothing more than an attempt to prevent argument, sorry strike that, discussion on the merits of the new batch of cultivars. But I'm not, so I wont ;) Regards John Wilden Southport Lancashire. UK The original of this email was scanned for viruses by the Government Secure Intranet (GSi) virus scanning service supplied exclusively by Energis in partnership with MessageLabs. On leaving the GSi this email was certified virus-free ################### From: john.wilden at hmce.gsi.gov.uk (Wilden, John {HQ Lpl, LIV BIT, LIV RBS North}) Date: Tue Jan 18 05:38:06 2005 Subject: [CP] FW: Disability Living Allowance guides John Wilden Credibility Assurance and Statistics Team X38385 -----Original Message----- Sent: 17 January 2005 14:02 Dear All, I know that I have sent you guidance in the past on the methods of making your DLA claim as effective as possible. But I think that the guidance on this site is, if anything, even better. http://www.benefitsandwork.co.uk/benefits/guides_index.htm My thanks to Mark Hibell, who sent me the link to this site. (Admittedly quite some time ago...) Regards, Sarah VPN 8303 8950 The original of this email was scanned for viruses by the Government Secure Intranet (GSi) virus scanning service supplied exclusively by Energis in partnership with MessageLabs. ################### From: ThomBroGar at aol.com (ThomBroGar@aol.com) Date: Tue Jan 18 11:01:59 2005 Subject: [CP] Help stop an atrocity in N.C. bog country Dear friends, I was sent this and I signed it. Here is a way to possibly help save one small area. Every bit helps. If you feel strongly please pass this e-mail (without addresses attached) along to others. Brooks Here's the info: ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?HELP US SAVE BRUNSWICK COUNTY Auto fluff is the non-ferrous residual left from the shredding of vehicles and appliances. ?Fluff is one of the leading sources of mercury and contains many other hazardous materials such as arsenic, cadmium, chromium, copper, lead, benzene, PAHs, ethylbenzene, PCBs, toluene, vinyl chloride, trichloroethylene, and xylenes. ?Three of these permeate state-of-the art HDPE landfill liners in 1 to 13 days. Hugo Neu, an international metal shredding giant headquartered in New York, plans to transport fluff from its shredding operations to the Cape Fear Lowlands adjacent to the Cape Fear River in Brunswick County, North Carolina, and stockpile it in a landfill 350 feet high over a 170-acre footprint. Brunswick County is home to beautiful white sand beaches, two aquifer outcroppings, ?and the Green Swamp, whose species diversity is topped only by the Great Rain Forest of Central America. ?Here in the Green Swamp Preserve, you will find longleaf pine savannas, wild orchids, and 14 varieties of insectivorous plants. http://www.thepetitionsite.com/takeaction/155621293 ################### From: bamrice at ucdavis.edu (Barry Rice) Date: Tue Jan 18 12:21:40 2005 Subject: [CP] CPN deliveries Hey John, Well, I always get complaints about CPN deliveries. But since we have a LARGE number of international deliveries, there are always glitches with late deliveries to this or that place. It is the unfortunate event that mail takes too long to get overseas. However, we have NOT gotten the kind of mass complaints that have happened in the past when there were real problems. I remember when all the issues to Japan got sent to the wrong place, for example. What a mess. I have not gotten mass mailings about the last couple of issues... So there is no need for paranoia. Of course, I have made a note by your name in the membership roster that any CPN issues with new cultivar descriptions should not be sent to you---it was on your doctor's orders---he said something about blood pressure and heart stress. :) Cheers Barry > > > Dear all (ICPS officers in particular), > Has there been any problems with the distribution of the > December ICPN in Europe? > I note that subscribers in the US seemed to have their copies > prior to Christmas, but I have yet to receive mine. > > I thought that leaving it a while, given that the holiday > season creates mayhem in the postal system, would eventually > pay dividends, but so far my copy is a no-show.Have any other > European subscribers received theirs yet? > > If I was paranoid I'd swear that this is nothing more than an > attempt to prevent argument, sorry strike that, discussion on > the merits of the new > batch of cultivars. But I'm not, so I wont ;) ################### From: treaqum1 at yahoo.com (Tre Bond) Date: Tue Jan 18 14:43:46 2005 Subject: [CP] RE: Biophilia I forgot to add a web site www.biophilia.net Oh and Carol's last name is Lovell-Saas not just Lovell. ################### From: snong69 at hotmail.com (Nong Thailand) Date: Tue Jan 18 19:14:24 2005 Subject: [CP] Devastation of Nepenthes Viking's main Habitat after Tsunami. Hi All Nep. Enthusiasts, Nepenthes Viking is an unidentified spp. (hybrid?) that can be found on an Island in Andaman sea , west of Southern Thailand . On Sunday of 26 Dec. 2004 ,massive waves triggered by the largest earthquake in more than 40 years have wiped out coastal areas across parts of Asia, killing more than 11,000 people . Most of the Islands in Andaman sea included the remote small Island where "Viking" grow , were heavily damaged. Now I can acquire pictures disclose the devastation of Viking's habitat after Tsunami. Please visit : http://www.neofarmthailand.com/index.php?lay=show&ac=article&Id=76850&Ntype=6 Thanks. Nong _________________________________________________________________ Express yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! Download today it's FREE! http://messenger.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200471ave/direct/01/ ################### From: john.wilden at hmce.gsi.gov.uk (Wilden, John {HQ Lpl, LIV BIT, LIV RBS North}) Date: Tue Jan 18 23:56:53 2005 Subject: [CP] re-disability subject -oops! Dear all, Apologies for sending the message about disability living guides. It was forwarded to this group by mistake. John Wilden Southport Lancashire. UK The original of this email was scanned for viruses by the Government Secure Intranet (GSi) virus scanning service supplied exclusively by Energis in partnership with MessageLabs. On leaving the GSi this email was certified virus-free ################### From: john.wilden at hmce.gsi.gov.uk (Wilden, John {HQ Lpl, LIV BIT, LIV RBS North}) Date: Wed Jan 19 00:02:33 2005 Subject: [CP] Crestview-Ivan damage Hurrican Ivan did not do much damage to our hungary friends. All the locations I went to were fine, except many Sarrs had died down to near groundlevel, undoubtedly because of high winds. I presume that rather than the high winds, they have died down because its Winter? Regards John Wilden Southport Lancashire. UK The original of this email was scanned for viruses by the Government Secure Intranet (GSi) virus scanning service supplied exclusively by Energis in partnership with MessageLabs. On leaving the GSi this email was certified virus-free ################### From: Markus.Welge at teleos.de (Welge, Markus) Date: Wed Jan 19 00:21:29 2005 Subject: AW: [CP] CPN (again) I also didn't receive my copy but after asking Cindy it was immediately sent again and I received it yesterday. I'm also looking for some older copies of the ICPS-Newsletter. If anyone is able to offer some recent issues for sale please contact me privately at mailto:markus.welge@sdirekt-net.de. Markus, Germany ______________________________________________ Karnivoren in Kultur... http://home.sdirekt-net.de/mwelge5/ >------------------------------ > >Message: 3 >Date: Tue, 18 Jan 2005 07:37:22 -0000 >From: "Wilden, John {HQ Lpl, LIV BIT, LIV RBS North}" > >Subject: [CP] CPN (again) >To: "CP chatgroup (E-mail)" >Message-ID: >Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > >Dear all (ICPS officers in particular), >Has there been any problems with the distribution of the December ICPN in >Europe? >I note that subscribers in the US seemed to have their copies prior to >Christmas, but I have yet to receive mine. > >I thought that leaving it a while, given that the holiday season creates >mayhem in the postal system, would eventually pay dividends, but so far my >copy is a no-show.Have any other European subscribers received theirs yet? > >If I was paranoid I'd swear that this is nothing more than an attempt to >prevent argument, sorry strike that, discussion on the merits of the new >batch of cultivars. But I'm not, so I wont ;) > > Regards > >John Wilden >Southport >Lancashire. >UK ################### From: nepenthesdave at hotmail.com (David Ahrens) Date: Wed Jan 19 05:25:17 2005 Subject: [CP] CPN in post John said that he had still not received his copy of the CPN. I hadn't either, a few days ago. I shouldn't worry too much John, it will turn up eventually. When Leo Song used to be involved with it all, there was something strange about the mailing system used because us Europeans used to very often receive our copies before the US. I think that this might have changed over the years, to another sytem. It's not related to anything that you've said either, so you don't have to be paranoid about it all. Your posting about the disability benefits was rather interesting, a bit off topic. These things happen when you sometimes press the wrong key. It wasn't quite as funny as the love letter that was inadvertantly posted a few years ago. Regards David Ahrens London. ################### From: mp.vandenbroek at wanadoo.nl (Marcel van den Broek) Date: Wed Jan 19 10:55:57 2005 Subject: [CP] RE: Cp Digest, Vol 20, Issue 18, CPN again Hi John and others, So far total no-show of the decemberedition in the Netherlands as far as I can tell. How stands the (rest of the europian) union? Marcel van den Broek Secretary of Dutch CP workgroup Carnivora -----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- Van: Cp-bounces@omnisterra.com [mailto:Cp-bounces@omnisterra.com] Namens Cp-request@omnisterra.com Verzonden: dinsdag 18 januari 2005 21:16 Aan: Cp@omnisterra.com Onderwerp: Cp Digest, Vol 20, Issue 18 Send Cp mailing list submissions to Cp@omnisterra.com To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://mail.omnisterra.com/mailman/listinfo/cp_omnisterra.com or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to Cp-request@omnisterra.com You can reach the person managing the list at Cp-owner@omnisterra.com When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of Cp digest..." CP Mailing list Today's Topics: 1. RE: news on nepenthesofthailand.com (Dave Evans) 2. Crestview,Ivan damage (Tre Bond) 3. CPN (again) (Wilden, John {HQ Lpl, LIV BIT, LIV RBS North}) 4. FW: Disability Living Allowance guides (Wilden, John {HQ Lpl, LIV BIT, LIV RBS North}) 5. Help stop an atrocity in N.C. bog country (ThomBroGar@aol.com) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 To: "'Carnivorous Plant Discussion group'" Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Dear Marcello and CP'ers, I was wondering, what species of _Drosera_ are present, along with the _Nepenthes_? In this photo: http://www.nepenthesofthailand.com/foto2/Pirot1.jpg There appears to be a tuberous _Drosera_ growing right next to the _N. smilesii_. It makes sense to me, since this is the only, or one of a few species of _Nepenthes_ that can form "tubers"--or at least hide underground for several months. Please see: http://www.rci.rutgers.edu/~dpevans/N_kampotiana.htm Do you think this plant is _N. smilesii_? It is grown from seed produced by plants imported from Cambodia back in the early eighties or late seventies. If I have the history correct, all, or nearly all of the original plants of this kind have died out, due to the plants entering dormancy, many grower disposed of the pots before the plants returned from underground :( Or, they rotted due to being too wet. Luckily, there were both males and females and some seed was produced. My plant is supposed to be female. I am wondering what would cause it to flower? The tuberous sundews flower every year, but then again, they go dormant every summer, while this _Nepenthes_ does not... Thanks, Dave Evans -----Original Message----- Behalf Of marcello catalano Sent: Monday, November 29, 2004 12:37 PM To: Cp@omnisterra.com Dear all, I've just added the latest news to my www.nepenthesofthailand.com, they're listed on the first page, but just to make you curious: -the new taxon N. "Viking" was added to the conclusions so far; -a few pics by Tom Kahl were added to the Phu Kradung note, in the northeast map; -a new note and 3 pics of N. mirabilis, thanks to our thai agent Duke, were added to the Center Map; -the new Nepenthes of Cambodia is online, together with a few pics and notes by Julien Gedrusiak; -the new Vip bookmarks will show you how this website is becoming a point of reference for the whole planet; -also a few new lines and pics about N. Viking, thanks to Nong, Duke and Shigeo Kurata, at the bottom of The Trip page please, this site will find its best improvement in your contributions! Thanks! Marcello Catalano ------------------------------ Message: 2 To: Cp@omnisterra.com Message-ID: <20050118000644.69963.qmail@web53310.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Hey Everyone, I am happy to report that due to exact directions I was able to find the Crestviewsite. It is still there. I do not think the owner was too happy. It will be hard for him to ditch and drain because there is a fairly large lake behind the site full of Sarracenia. I cannot remember who but I know it was one of muy friends in Atlanta who gave me directions. You guys did a good job cleaning the site out, saving the Sarrs. I only found 8, 7 gulfness and 1 leuco. I got soem great pictures also. Hurrican Ivan did not do much damage to our hungary friends. All the locations I went to were fine, except many Sarrs had died down to near groundlevel, undoubtedly because of high winds. Biophilia did not hava any damage. I am happy to report that from the owner (Carol Lovell) I bought about 300 S. flava seeds from the infamous Navarre publix site. I do not know the websit,( but its title is gulfcoast Carnivores or something like that) that has pictures of this site with all the S. flava. Tre --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? All your favorites on one personal page ? Try My Yahoo! ------------------------------ Message: 3 To: "CP chatgroup (E-mail)" Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Dear all (ICPS officers in particular), Has there been any problems with the distribution of the December ICPN in Europe? I note that subscribers in the US seemed to have their copies prior to Christmas, but I have yet to receive mine. I thought that leaving it a while, given that the holiday season creates mayhem in the postal system, would eventually pay dividends, but so far my copy is a no-show.Have any other European subscribers received theirs yet? If I was paranoid I'd swear that this is nothing more than an attempt to prevent argument, sorry strike that, discussion on the merits of the new batch of cultivars. But I'm not, so I wont ;) Regards John Wilden Southport Lancashire. UK The original of this email was scanned for viruses by the Government Secure Intranet (GSi) virus scanning service supplied exclusively by Energis in partnership with MessageLabs. On leaving the GSi this email was certified virus-free ------------------------------ Message: 4 To: "CP chatgroup (E-mail)" Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" John Wilden Credibility Assurance and Statistics Team X38385 -----Original Message----- Sent: 17 January 2005 14:02 Dear All, I know that I have sent you guidance in the past on the methods of making your DLA claim as effective as possible. But I think that the guidance on this site is, if anything, even better. http://www.benefitsandwork.co.uk/benefits/guides_index.htm My thanks to Mark Hibell, who sent me the link to this site. (Admittedly quite some time ago...) Regards, Sarah VPN 8303 8950 The original of this email was scanned for viruses by the Government Secure Intranet (GSi) virus scanning service supplied exclusively by Energis in partnership with MessageLabs. On leaving the GSi this email was certified virus-free ------------------------------ Message: 5 To: Cp@omnisterra.com Message-ID: <7e.6140c4b3.2f1eb715@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Dear friends, I was sent this and I signed it. Here is a way to possibly help save one small area. Every bit helps. If you feel strongly please pass this e-mail (without addresses attached) along to others. Brooks Here's the info: ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?HELP US SAVE BRUNSWICK COUNTY Auto fluff is the non-ferrous residual left from the shredding of vehicles and appliances. ?Fluff is one of the leading sources of mercury and contains many other hazardous materials such as arsenic, cadmium, chromium, copper, lead, benzene, PAHs, ethylbenzene, PCBs, toluene, vinyl chloride, trichloroethylene, and xylenes. ?Three of these permeate state-of-the art HDPE landfill liners in 1 to 13 days. Hugo Neu, an international metal shredding giant headquartered in New York, plans to transport fluff from its shredding operations to the Cape Fear Lowlands adjacent to the Cape Fear River in Brunswick County, North Carolina, and stockpile it in a landfill 350 feet high over a 170-acre footprint. Brunswick County is home to beautiful white sand beaches, two aquifer outcroppings, ?and the Green Swamp, whose species diversity is topped only by the Great Rain Forest of Central America. ?Here in the Green Swamp Preserve, you will find longleaf pine savannas, wild orchids, and 14 varieties of insectivorous plants. http://www.thepetitionsite.com/takeaction/155621293 ------------------------------ _______________________________________________ Cp mailing list Cp@omnisterra.com http://mail.omnisterra.com/mailman/listinfo/cp_omnisterra.com End of Cp Digest, Vol 20, Issue 18 ********************************** ################### From: john63401 at fastmail.fm (John) Date: Wed Jan 19 12:33:26 2005 Subject: [CP] Re: Cp Digest, Vol 20, Issue 19 Question for the group.... What kind of living can one make in the CP world? Can a living even be made? If yes.... in what? What kind of work and what studies? Im seriously thinking abt changing job fields. Have always been in manufacturing as a CAD tech but have always had a serious interest in CP Im willing to go back to college..... but what studies for the CP industry? Thanks in advance! ################### From: rrz7001 at humboldt.edu (Robert Ziemer) Date: Wed Jan 19 13:23:07 2005 Subject: [CP] Making a living in CP? What "CP industry"? First, define your expectations of "making a living". Most folks that I know that grow (and sell) CPs are not getting rich from their business. For many, their business is a hobby that sometimes pays the bills and allows them to do something that they enjoy. CPs are a speciality market with a limited number of potential buyers. Some CP enthusiasts are in academic institutions and publish profound papers on the cellular chemical response Utricularia trigger hairs to stimulation. A nice job if you can get it. Others make a career arguing whether U. livida and U. microcalyx are the same or different species. Some do tissue culture for mass market throw-away nurseries. However, I expect that the vast number of people in the "CP industry" have another kind of job and grow CPs as a hobby or sideline. If I am wrong, I expect that one of you CP millionaires out there will tell us the secret of "How I made a million bucks in the CP industry". John wrote: > Question for the group.... > > What kind of living can one make in the CP world? > > Can a living even be made? If yes.... in what? What kind of work and > what studies? > > Im seriously thinking abt changing job fields. Have always been in > manufacturing as a CAD tech but have always had a serious interest in CP > > Im willing to go back to college..... but what studies for the CP > industry? > > Thanks in advance! ################### From: bamrice at ucdavis.edu (Barry Rice) Date: Wed Jan 19 14:48:10 2005 Subject: [CP] Brit ICPS members Hey Folks, Are there any folks in the UK who have received their CPNs yet? Please email me if/when you get your issue. I'm just testing the waters regarding shipping delays. Barry Barry A. Rice, Ph.D. Carnivorous Plant Newsletter, Coeditor The International Carnivorous Plant Society http://www.carnivorousplants.org ################### From: harryq1972 at hotmail.com (Harry Q) Date: Wed Jan 19 15:42:16 2005 Subject: [CP] Wanted: Utricularia intermedia I am also looking for now Utricularia intermedia . Wolf ################### From: utsubokazura at hotmail.com (Amaury Watanabe) Date: Thu Jan 20 00:54:22 2005 Subject: [CP] RE: CPN Issues in Europe I have received my December issue of the CPN last week (in the UK). I don't know whether it has something to do with me being a new member or not. Hopefully everyone will get their copy soon! Cheers, Amori ################### From: paul.temple at eds.com (Temple, Paul) Date: Thu Jan 20 11:09:12 2005 Subject: [CP] Off topic - anyone translate Latin? Can anyone translate (reliably) the phrase "Spernit Inertiam" It's nothing to do with CPs but is possibly botanical (i.e. linked to a botanist). And before any Brits with a strange sense of humour comment (yes, you know who you are!), no, despite the millions I earned from the Carnivorous Plants RHS book, I can't afford to pay for a translation. :-) Answers can be sent privately unless the meaning is assumed to be of wider interest. Paul ################### From: garkoinsf at netscape.net (Gary Kong) Date: Thu Jan 20 14:35:06 2005 Subject: [CP] Off topic - anyone translate Latin? Pay? Ha! A quick Google search called up a freeware Latin translator. http://www.levity.com/alchemy/latin/latintrans.html It works on my Windows machine. Not sure about Mac. Anyway, it translates Spernit = He despises/scorns (as in spurn) and Inertiam sluggishness (as in inertia). Gary Kong "Temple, Paul" wrote: >Can anyone translate (reliably) the phrase > > "Spernit Inertiam" > > >It's nothing to do with CPs but is possibly botanical (i.e. linked to >a botanist). > >And before any Brits with a strange sense of humour comment (yes, you >know who you are!), no, despite the millions I earned from the >Carnivorous Plants RHS book, I can't afford to pay for a translation. >:-) > >Answers can be sent privately unless the meaning is assumed to be of >wider interest. > >Paul > > > >_______________________________________________ Cp mailing list >Cp@omnisterra.com >http://mail.omnisterra.com/mailman/listinfo/cp_omnisterra.com > -- San Francisco, CA World Leader Pretend: http://www.foulds2000.freeserve.co.uk/bushv5.htm __________________________________________________________________ Switch to Netscape Internet Service. As low as $9.95 a month -- Sign up today at http://isp.netscape.com/register Netscape. Just the Net You Need. New! Netscape Toolbar for Internet Explorer Search from anywhere on the Web and block those annoying pop-ups. Download now at http://channels.netscape.com/ns/search/install.jsp ################### From: garkoinsf at netscape.net (Gary Kong) Date: Thu Jan 20 14:47:08 2005 Subject: [CP] winter pesticide application it's midwinter in the northern half of the world and i was wondering if it makes sense to apply pesticide to my dormant plants. i finally got around to trimming last year's dead growth and noticed that my Darlingtonia had a severe thrips infestation. i fear that the infestation may extend beneath the growing medium. does anyone have any suggestions in how to eradicate the pest? i still have a nearly full bottle of Orthene, but worry that it might harm my plants while they're dormant. (aside from it being highly toxic to the environment. my plants are in containers, though.) Gary Kong -- San Francisco, CA World Leader Pretend: http://www.foulds2000.freeserve.co.uk/bushv5.htm __________________________________________________________________ Switch to Netscape Internet Service. As low as $9.95 a month -- Sign up today at http://isp.netscape.com/register Netscape. Just the Net You Need. New! Netscape Toolbar for Internet Explorer Search from anywhere on the Web and block those annoying pop-ups. Download now at http://channels.netscape.com/ns/search/install.jsp ################### From: rrz7001 at humboldt.edu (Robert Ziemer) Date: Thu Jan 20 15:01:58 2005 Subject: [CP] Good news for threatened plants? A study by Botanic Gardens Conservation International says about 9,000 species which are threatened in the wild are in fact thriving in botanic gardens. This is about a quarter of all the plants which are known to be at risk, but a fraction of the possible total. Scientists say anything up to 100,000 species may disappear because of both habitat destruction and climate change. Unfortunately, those plants "saved" in botanic gardens would likely represent only a small portion of that species natural gene pool. http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/sci/tech/4187053.stm ################### From: rrz7001 at humboldt.edu (Robert Ziemer) Date: Thu Jan 20 15:18:31 2005 Subject: [CP] winter pesticide application The dormant period is often the best time to apply pesticides and other chemicals, because the plant has prepared to survive molestation by harsh conditions of winter. However, this is also the time when many pests are in protective casings and may not be as vulnerable to some pesticides. Dormant oil sprays are recommended for thrips control on fruit trees, but I don't know about Darlingtonia. I expect that Orthene would be most effective just as the nymphs are hatching. -Bob- Gary Kong wrote: > it's midwinter in the northern half of the world and i was wondering > if it makes sense to apply pesticide to my dormant plants. i finally > got around to trimming last year's dead growth and noticed that my > Darlingtonia had a severe thrips infestation. i fear that the > infestation may extend beneath the growing medium. does anyone have > any suggestions in how to eradicate the pest? i still have a nearly > full bottle of Orthene, but worry that it might harm my plants while > they're dormant. (aside from it being highly toxic to the > environment. my plants are in containers, though.) > > Gary Kong ################### From: treaqum1 at yahoo.com (Tre Bond) Date: Thu Jan 20 16:08:59 2005 Subject: [CP] Re: Cp Digest, Vol 20, Issue 20 Hey Paul, according to my latin dictionary it means: unskilful lover but literally means lover unskilful. Inertiam can also mean idle. I deciede to tell the whole group because I am sure many people went scrambling. On the CP front My website got approved for the webring. Message: 6 To: "'Cp@omnisterra.com'" Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain Can anyone translate (reliably) the phrase "Spernit Inertiam" It's nothing to do with CPs but is possibly botanical (i.e. linked to a botanist). And before any Brits with a strange sense of humour comment (yes, you know who you are!), no, despite the millions I earned from the Carnivorous Plants RHS book, I can't afford to pay for a translation. :-) Answers can be sent privately unless the meaning is assumed to be of wider interest. Paul ------------------------------ _______________________________________________ Cp mailing list Cp@omnisterra.com http://mail.omnisterra.com/mailman/listinfo/cp_omnisterra.com End of Cp Digest, Vol 20, Issue 20 ********************************** ################### From: meadow at bealenet.com (meadow@bealenet.com) Date: Thu Jan 20 17:04:22 2005 Subject: [CP] making a living in CP comment - ecological monkhood Hi John: If you want to make a living raising CP I suggest you consider this a monastic devotion. The pursuit of raising, restoring, and protecting these plants truly makes us ecological monks. I can tell you that if you make the move to do this you will receive tremendous personal satisfaction but your reward will not necessarily be material. I encourage you to follow your heart and do what you have a passion to do, the rest will follow. I spent 10 years in banking making peanuts and the best move I made was to start a non-profit to devote myself to ecological restoration. If you have family then you must carefully weigh your responsibilities. I wish you luck and hope you find what you seek. Sincerely, Phil Sheridan http://www.bealenet.com ################### From: pbunch at cox.net (Phil Bunch) Date: Thu Jan 20 18:30:39 2005 Subject: [CP] Good news for threatened plants? In addition an organism outside it's habitat is only part of the story. A small part. -----Original Message----- Of Robert Ziemer Sent: Thursday, January 20, 2005 3:02 PM To: Carnivorous Plant Discussion group A study by Botanic Gardens Conservation International says about 9,000 species which are threatened in the wild are in fact thriving in botanic gardens. This is about a quarter of all the plants which are known to be at risk, but a fraction of the possible total. Scientists say anything up to 100,000 species may disappear because of both habitat destruction and climate change. Unfortunately, those plants "saved" in botanic gardens would likely represent only a small portion of that species natural gene pool. http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/sci/tech/4187053.stm _______________________________________________ Cp mailing list Cp@omnisterra.com http://mail.omnisterra.com/mailman/listinfo/cp_omnisterra.com -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.300 / Virus Database: 265.7.0 - Release Date: 1/17/2005 -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.300 / Virus Database: 265.7.0 - Release Date: 1/17/2005 ################### From: jim_miller at mindspring.com (Jim Miller) Date: Thu Jan 20 20:18:38 2005 Subject: [CP] Making a living in CP? Greetings all on this chilly January evening. I had to smile at the notion of anyone making a living in the CP industry. Bob Hanrahan (of World Insectivorous Plants) used to laugh when people showed up at his facility in Arroyo Grande, California, expecting to see teams of researchers in white coats and battalions of horticulturalists, all working at a feverish pace, cloning, hybridizing and propagating the millions of plants required to fill the planet's need for carnivorous plants. True, the WIP growing facilities were impressive, but were handled pretty much by Bob alone. I'm sure there are several people who may earn a modest living fr