################### From: Cp@omnisterra.com (phil sheridan) Date: Sat, 15 Feb 2003 15:05:33 -0500 Subject: [CP] Re: Catalog and Joseph Pines Updates Hi Folks: We have made updates to both our catalog and Joseph Pines page. Note we have several new offerings in the catalog. A special feature is a first day cover of Cephalotus. The cover features both a stamp and beautiful painting of Cephalotus. The first day cover was issued by the U.N. We have added a link on Joseph Pines that has maps of the preserve. We are planting more longleaf pine and are clearing more trails to several outstanding sphagnum bogs. Mark your calendar to attend the Joseph Pines Picnic on June 7 and see native Virginia Sarracenia flava in all its glory! Our web site is www.pitcherplant.org. Click on the catalog and Joseph Pines links for details. Sincerely, Phil Sheridan Director Meadowview Biological Research Station ################### From: Cp@omnisterra.com (phil sheridan) Date: Mon, 17 Feb 2003 18:27:50 -0500 Subject: [CP] Re: S. purpurea var. montana Hi Folks: As Dave Evans pointed out we have S. purpurea montana. We have a breeding program for this variety. We are raising seed from several sites and have mature plants from one site. If you are interested in obtaining this plant I would encourage you to order a seed cross from us this spring. We bag the flowers prior to openning, hand pollinate under controlled conditions, and deliver the seed to you in the fall. We charge $25.00 per cross plus $10.00 for S&H. We gurantee our crosses. Please contact me if you are interested in ordering a cross. Sincerely, Phil Sheridan Director Meadowview Biological Research Station ################### From: Cp@omnisterra.com (phil sheridan) Date: Tue, 18 Feb 2003 20:18:30 -0500 Subject: [CP] Re: Sarracenia pollination > Hi Chris: We mentioned in several of our papers in the RESEARCH section at www.pitcherplant.org (particularly the genetics papers and the AJB inbredding paper) the techniques of Sarracenia pollination and materials used. Plastic bags should not be used for Sarr. pollination for the obvious reasons you mention. We use the same material for pollination that we use for tenting our seedlings, namely drain sleeve fabric. Please read the link under Sarraracenia propagation in PROPAGATION to learn more about the material. The product is manufactured by Cariff and can be found at Home Depot. We used to use REMAY fabric for pollination but this involved cutting and stapling the material. This was fairly labor intensive. With drain sleeve faric you just cut the length you want and cover the flower, seal with twist ties attached to bamboo pole. Very straightforward, efficient, and allows air movement. Sincerely, Phil Sheridan Director Meadowview Biological Research Station > > Message: 13 > Date: Thu, 10 Apr 2003 22:02:07 -0700 > From: "J. Chris Coppick" > To: Cp@omnisterra.com > Subject: [CP] Love is in the air... > Reply-To: Cp@omnisterra.com > > Well spring is here, and life is skittles and life is beer, > and I have questions regarding these strange urges I have > to transfer pollen between my Sarracenia blooms... > > Mr. Sheridan, you have often mentioned that Meadowview covers > flowers to prevent, um, accidents, so to speak. My question is, > what sort of bags do you use? The plastic ones I'm using do not > provide for much ventilation, resulting in *lots* of humidity > (even by Virginia standards) surrounding the flowers. I'm not > sure having a soggy flower is a good thing, in this case. > (I'm trying to take the high road here. Besides, there are so > many jokes scattered about on the other road that I wouldn't > know where to begin.) > > In addition to advances in botanical prophylactic technology, does > anyone have any other tried and true Sarracenia pollination advice? > > Chris > > ################### From: Cp@omnisterra.com (phil sheridan) Date: Thu, 20 Feb 2003 00:34:14 -0500 Subject: [CP] Re: Open house and Joseph Pines Picnic Hi Folks: Just a note to remind you that we are hosting an Open House here at Meadowview on Sat. 5/17 and the Joseph Pines Preserve Picnic on Sat. June 7. The Open House includes tours of our operations center, plant sales, and plant auctions. The Open House is designed to give you an idea of what we are doing and to raise money for our non-profit. We have several plant vendors that will be selling plants at the Open House. If you are interested in setting up a booth please contact us. We continue our plantings on the Joseph Pines Preserve and have a greatly expanded trail system to all the sphagnum seeps. We will complete the planting of all our native Virginia pitcher plants next week and should have an outstanding display for you to see in June. If you want to attend either the Picnic or Open House please respond by the RSVP dates listed on our EVENTS link at www.pitcherplant.org. Sincerely, Phil Sheridan Director Meadowview Biological Research Station ################### From: Cp@omnisterra.com (phil sheridan) Date: Fri, 21 Feb 2003 20:27:42 -0500 Subject: [CP] Re: t-shirts Hi Folks: Just want to let you know we now have the Meadowview t-shirts back in stock in all sizes. You can see a picture of the shirt on our catalog at www.pitcherplant.org. Sincerely, Phil Sheridan Director Meadowview Biological Research Station ################### From: Cp@omnisterra.com (Cp@omnisterra.com) Date: Wed, 5 Mar 2003 21:35:02 EST Subject: [CP] new list-server --part1_113.1fda007a.2b980dd6_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Just sending a post to the list to make shore it is working on my end. I believe I introduced myself a while ago when I first posted to the old list but, from that point I have gained a lot of other plants to add to my grow list. I'm interested in anything I can get my hands on to grow. George McKay --part1_113.1fda007a.2b980dd6_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Just sending a post to the list to make shore it is wo= rking on my end. I believe I introduced myself a while ago when I first post= ed to the old list but, from that point I have gained a lot of other plants=20= to add to my grow list. I'm interested in anything I can get my hands on to=20= grow.

George McKay --part1_113.1fda007a.2b980dd6_boundary-- ################### From: Cp@omnisterra.com (James Aldridge) Date: Wed, 5 Mar 2003 20:50:39 -0600 Subject: [CP] Introduction Hi. I've been interested in CPs since early college visits to Texas's Big Thicket, where Utricularia, Drosera, and Sarracenia abound. My college work is all in biology, and I am a science and computer science teacher at an independent college preparatory school in Fort Worth, Texas, USA. I run an 800 ft^2 greenhouse (out in the country just west of Fort Worth) filled mostly with orchids, bromeliads, and CPs. I recently added a high pressure RO system for processing my softened well water, and I feel I can do better with both orchids and CPs now. I especially like Nepenthes spp., though I am getting rather fond of the larger Drosera (capensis, binata, regia, etc.) spp. as well. I also keep some terrestrial and epiphytic Utricularia, Mexican Puinguicula, Sarracenia, Darlingtonia, and, of course, some VFTs. Thanks for running the new list! Jim James Aldridge, PhD - Fort Worth, Texas, USA jaldr@earthlink.net - www.JamesAldridge.us ################### From: Cp@omnisterra.com (Lynda) Date: Wed, 5 Mar 2003 21:28:18 -0600 Subject: [CP] new list-server This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0055_01C2E35E.23E730A0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable HI George, Seems it's working fine. If you are interested in acquiring plants have = you tried the trading post on the discussion forum at www.petflytrap.com = ? Frequently the folks there offer seeds or plants to interested = parties.=20 Lynda Crane ----- Original Message -----=20 From: ZITMCKAY@aol.com=20 To: Cp@omnisterra.com=20 Sent: Wednesday, March 05, 2003 8:35 PM Subject: [CP] new list-server Just sending a post to the list to make shore it is working on my end. = I believe I introduced myself a while ago when I first posted to the old = list but, from that point I have gained a lot of other plants to add to = my grow list. I'm interested in anything I can get my hands on to grow. George McKay=20 ------=_NextPart_000_0055_01C2E35E.23E730A0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
HI George,
Seems it's working fine.  If you are interested = in=20 acquiring plants have you tried the trading post on the discussion = forum at=20 www.petflytrap.com ?  = Frequently=20 the folks there offer seeds or plants to interested parties. =
 
Lynda Crane
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 ZITMCKAY@aol.com=20
To: Cp@omnisterra.com
Sent: Wednesday, March 05, 2003 = 8:35=20 PM
Subject: [CP] new = list-server

Just sending a post to the list to make shore it = is working=20 on my end. I believe I introduced myself a while ago when I first = posted to=20 the old list but, from that point I have gained a lot of other plants = to add=20 to my grow list. I'm interested in anything I can get my hands on to=20 grow.

George McKay ------=_NextPart_000_0055_01C2E35E.23E730A0-- ################### From: Cp@omnisterra.com (Kit Halsted) Date: Wed, 5 Mar 2003 23:30:59 -0500 Subject: [CP] Re: New listserv etc At 8:23 PM -0800 3/5/03, David Ahrens wrote: <...> >Lastly, is the new list up and running ? I have already received a posting >from someone, even if it seems in a funny format. Can we use it from now ? David: It appears that both lists are operational now. Rick: Small comfort, perhaps, but the IT market in NYC hit bottom a while back & has been getting better for a few months now. Good luck! -Kit -- Kit Halsted - kit@carnivorousplants.nyc.ny.us Brooklyn, NY, USDA Zone 7a ################### From: Cp@omnisterra.com (Rick Walker) Date: Wed, 05 Mar 2003 20:42:40 -0800 Subject: [CP] The Listserv has now moved The listserv is now moved to omnisterra.com. Please send all CP correspondence to cp@omnisterra.com General information about the mailing list is at: http://omnisterra.com/mailman/listinfo/cp_omnisterra.com If you ever want to unsubscribe or change your options (eg, switch to or from digest mode, change your password, etc.), visit your subscription page by looking yourself up in the list at: http://omnisterra.com/mailman/roster/cp_omnisterra.com You can also make such adjustments via email by sending a message to: cp-request@omnisterra.com with the word `help' in the subject or body (don't include the quotes), and you will get back a message with instructions. You must know your password to change your options (including changing the password, itself) or to unsubscribe. If don't know your password, don't worry, you will receive a monthly reminder telling you what all your omnisterra.com mailing list passwords are, and how to unsubscribe or change your options. There is also a button on your options page that will email your current password to you. You may also have your password mailed to you automatically off of the Web page noted above. Best regards, -- Rick Walker walker@omnisterra.com ################### From: Cp@omnisterra.com (Malesiana Tropicals) Date: Thu, 6 Mar 2003 14:47:56 +0800 Subject: [CP] new list-server This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0005_01C2E3EF.665AF0C0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Dear Goerge, I am slightly confused by your email, what are you referring to below. Kind regards, Lisa -- Malesiana Tropicals Sdn. Bhd. 1st Floor, Lot 4909, Sect. 64 KTLD, Upland Shop House, Jln. Upland 93300 Kuching, Sarawak, Malaysia Phone: [int'l prefix]+(6082) 419-290 Fax: [int'l prefix]+(6082) 423-494 http://www.malesiana.tropicals.com.my -----Original Message----- Of ZITMCKAY@aol.com Sent: 06 March 2003 10:35 To: Cp@omnisterra.com Just sending a post to the list to make shore it is working on my end. I believe I introduced myself a while ago when I first posted to the old list but, from that point I have gained a lot of other plants to add to my grow list. I'm interested in anything I can get my hands on to grow. George McKay ------=_NextPart_000_0005_01C2E3EF.665AF0C0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message
Dear=20 Goerge,
 
I am=20 slightly confused by your email, what are you referring to=20 below.
 
Kind=20 regards,
 
Lisa
 
 

--
Malesiana Tropicals Sdn. Bhd.
1st Floor, Lot = 4909,=20 Sect. 64 KTLD, Upland Shop House, Jln. Upland 93300 Kuching, Sarawak,=20 Malaysia
Phone: [int'l prefix]+(6082) 419-290
Fax: [int'l = prefix]+(6082)=20 423-494 http://www.malesiana.trop= icals.com.my

 =20

-----Original Message-----
From:=20 Cp-admin@omnisterra.com [mailto:Cp-admin@omnisterra.com] On Behalf = Of=20 ZITMCKAY@aol.com
Sent: 06 March 2003 10:35
To: = Cp@omnisterra.com
Subject: [CP] new=20 list-server

Just sending a post to the = list to make=20 shore it is working on my end. I believe I introduced myself a while = ago when=20 I first posted to the old list but, from that point I have gained a = lot of=20 other plants to add to my grow list. I'm interested in anything I can = get my=20 hands on to grow.

George McKay =
------=_NextPart_000_0005_01C2E3EF.665AF0C0-- ################### From: Cp@omnisterra.com (Steven Stewart) Date: Thu, 6 Mar 2003 16:17:05 -0500 Subject: [CP] Re: Nepenthes pitchers > Is position on the stem the only determinate of whether a lower or upper pitcher will be prodiced? > > Wayne Hello Wayne, No and yes. A Nepenthes can put out a growth point high up on an existing stem and start producing lower pitchers. (above a point where upper pitchers have been formed) The new growth point will form lower pitchers at the bottom of the "new" stem. (the original stem is now potentially a rhizome) There is probably someone on the list that can state this more correctly, but I hope this helps. Take care, Steven Stewart Florida, USA ################### From: Cp@omnisterra.com (Georg J. Stach) Date: Thu, 6 Mar 2003 22:31:05 +0100 Subject: [CP] Listserv and solutions Dear Rick, Dear mailinglist readers, Only two weeks ago I read about Agilent's downsizing and had to think of you (Rick) and the CP database. Now that you've been laid off, I wonder that you don't have other sorrows than this mailing list! In these difficult times I wish you to find a new job as soon as possible! ~ ~ ~ Rick's ANNOUNCEMENT was pretty humble, so I really feel urged to add some points: Firstly, it is not only the mailing list but also the CP database which are provided by Agilent Labs. Also the database has to find a new home. You'll say this won't be a problem, just get a new domain, and webspace doesn't cost much, BUT! you don't know the outlay which are behind such a project like the CP database. It isn't sufficient to find some low-cost provider, because one needs direct access to the server in order to maintain the database and the services running on it. You may be disappointed of hearing this, but services as mentioned above start from 50$ upwards. Neat pocket money, huh? ;) The same thing applies to the mailing list. This is not just one mailing list but a list with over 2000 members (as Rick told us). And everything in this dimensions costs money. During receiving, composing and sending separate mails and the mailing list, the mail server is heavily loaded, this means it is not available for other tasks, furthermore it requires high loads of bandwidth which is an enormous -- cost-intensive -- factor. And you really think we just can move to Yahoo because it's free? NO! Free services are fine as long as they are running, but you don't have any guarantee how long they will do so. And I can really do without ads. Aside from the fact that we still didn't have a new location for the CP database, Yahoo requires each and every member to subscribe from new. My suggestion for a solution: ------------------------------ It is unacceptable to have Rick pay these cost-intensive services, so the mailing list and the CP database should be integrated as additional services of the ICPS. As such, the ICPS could pay the fees for the webservices. It would be smart to host www.carnivorousplants.org on the same server of the mailing list and the CP database to reduce running costs. We must keep in mind that it is _very_ (time)expensive to run and maintain these web-services and that it requires much knowledge. We are in Rick's debt to pay at least the accruing costs. In my opinion, this can be best done by moving the services into the scope of the ICPS. Then it's up to the ICPS whether only members but also other CP enthusiasts can subscribe to the list. If this "solution" should turn out as unfeasible, I'll have to unsubscribe from the list. In any case, Rick shouldn't pay a penny for the mailing list: He has made enough assiduous efforts for us. Georg J. Stach German Carnivorous Plants Society www.carnivoren.org Community: http://links.carnivoren.org/?p=10 ################### From: Cp@omnisterra.com (Jeff Lehmann) Date: Thu, 06 Mar 2003 17:07:50 -0600 Subject: [CP] unsubcribe This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --Boundary_(ID_VZrwYo1xUJf9sW2vmcQ2Zg) Content-type: text/plain; charset=Windows-1252 Content-transfer-encoding: QUOTED-PRINTABLE I do not understand the unsubscribe method. I do not remember any pas= sword and I do not know what an =93address=94 field is. Thanks --Boundary_(ID_VZrwYo1xUJf9sW2vmcQ2Zg) Content-type: text/html; charset=Windows-1252 Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable

I do not understand the unsubscribe method. I do not remember any password and I do not know what an =93address=94 field = is.

 

Thanks

--Boundary_(ID_VZrwYo1xUJf9sW2vmcQ2Zg)-- ################### From: Cp@omnisterra.com (Mark Todd) Date: Thu, 06 Mar 2003 20:45:25 -0500 Subject: [CP] Possible solution for funding the new listserv I've enjoyed this list for a couple of years. I think I have an idea that might be the easiest for everybody. If we take the cost of the new listserv and divide it by the number of members, it would cover the cost and would be very little money. I don't know the numbers but I think I read that the listserv is about $50 a month. There are about 1000 members. If these estimates are correct that would come out to $.05 a month for every member. That's $.60 a year. I understand there may be currency difference so it may be that only the people in the USA can support the listserv. I don't know how much that will add to the numbers above, but I think it will still be a very small amount. If we all send $1 That will more than cover the listserv and can help cover the cp data base too. Another idea, If all the cp societies could add a voluntary donation for the listserv to their memberships. That way nobody pays twice and nobody pays for something that they don't use. The cp societies will have no interest in the listserv since since it would be donations. The societies main interest should be preservation of plants and getting new members. The best way to keep people interested is to show them how to grow the plants properly. I have learned so much from the people here. This listserv is one of the best things to get people to keep interest in these plants by showing them how to successfully grow them. So I think this list benefits all the cp societies. Let me know what everybody else thinks about this. Mark PS If we all send one dollar for this listserv, who wants to send Michael P. his notice for payment? Paypal is nothing but hightech common thieves. Check out their customer feedback http://www.planetfeedback.com/sharedLettersList/0,2941,101112-70-0-0-20-0-fb_date-desc,00.html Don't become another paypal victim _________________________________________________________________ MSN 8 helps eliminate e-mail viruses. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/virus ################### From: Cp@omnisterra.com ({USER_FIRSTNAME} {USER_LASTNAME}) Date: Thu, 6 Mar 2003 23:08:01 -0500 Subject: [CP] Possible solution for funding the new listserv Put the listserve on the ICPS website and change it to a bulletin board format. There isn't anything that bad here that warrants a moderated group, current warnings regarding the list serve on the ICPS website could apply. This would allow for easy scrolling of post that someone may want to view and others they can avoid. Much easier that way for Herman in Germany to avoid the squirrel post yearly. He can scroll over the post without getting them in his mailbox. I offer the further suggestion to consider is making CPN available as a bi-monthly web magazine in addition to the quarterly with enhanced photos,, and cultural information. It is time for this. I think there would be a increase in subscriptions world wide for the International Society and the cost would likely be less for a web based publication than the printed material as well we could offer a more diverse format to new members with many more photos. I feel there would be stronger worldwide memberships and increased articles for publication. As for the short continue with a printed quarterly, while investigating the interest in a web paid subscription. Lets jump into the 21st century. CPN is about the same size, less content as the format started with in 1979. Far less cultural content...... Mike' St. Petersburg Florida ----- Original Message ----- To: Cc: Sent: Thursday, March 06, 2003 8:45 PM > > > I've enjoyed this list for a couple of years. I think I have an idea that > might be the easiest for everybody. > If we take the cost of the new listserv and divide it by the number of > members, it would cover the cost and would be very little money. I don't > know the numbers but I think I read that the listserv is about $50 a month. > There are about 1000 members. If these estimates are correct that would come > out to $.05 a month for every member. That's $.60 a year. I understand there > may be currency difference so it may be that only the people in the USA can > support the listserv. I don't know how much that will add to the numbers > above, but I think it will still be a very small amount. If we all send $1 > That will more than cover the listserv and can help cover the cp data base > too. > Another idea, If all the cp societies could add a voluntary donation for the > listserv to their memberships. That way nobody pays twice and nobody pays > for something that they don't use. The cp societies will have no interest in > the listserv since since it would be donations. The societies main interest > should be preservation of plants and getting new members. The best way to > keep people interested is to show them how to grow the plants properly. I > have learned so much from the people here. This listserv is one of the best > things to get people to keep interest in these plants by showing them how to > successfully grow them. So I think this list benefits all the cp societies. > Let me know what everybody else thinks about this. > Mark > PS If we all send one dollar for this listserv, who wants to send Michael P. > his notice for payment? > > Paypal is nothing but hightech common thieves. > Check out their customer feedback > > http://www.planetfeedback.com/sharedLettersList/0,2941,101112-70-0-0-20-0-fb _date-desc,00.html > > Don't become another paypal victim > > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > MSN 8 helps eliminate e-mail viruses. Get 2 months FREE*. > http://join.msn.com/?page=features/virus > > > _______________________________________________ > Cp mailing list > Cp@omnisterra.com > http://omnisterra.com/mailman/listinfo/cp_omnisterra.com ################### From: Cp@omnisterra.com ({USER_FIRSTNAME} {USER_LASTNAME}) Date: Thu, 6 Mar 2003 23:22:13 -0500 Subject: [CP] Possible solution for funding the new listserv Hey I just sent this post and it came back to me like a darn boomerang whacking me in the head. What's up with this weird stuff in the twilight of the March 6, am I on the ghost ship?? ----- Original Message ----- To: Sent: Thursday, March 06, 2003 11:08 PM > Put the listserve on the ICPS website and change it to a bulletin board > format. > There isn't anything that bad here that warrants a moderated group, current > warnings regarding the list serve on the ICPS website could apply. > This would allow for easy scrolling of post that someone may want to view > and others they can avoid. Much easier that way for Herman in Germany to > avoid the squirrel post yearly. He can scroll over the post without getting > them in his mailbox. > > I offer the further suggestion to consider is making CPN available as a > bi-monthly web magazine in addition to the quarterly with enhanced photos,, > and cultural information. It is time for this. I think there would be a > increase in subscriptions world wide for the International Society and the > cost would likely be less for a web based publication than the printed > material as well we could offer a more diverse format to new members with > many more photos. I feel there would be stronger worldwide memberships and > increased articles for publication. As for the short continue with a > printed quarterly, while investigating the interest in a web paid > subscription. > > Lets jump into the 21st century. CPN is about the same size, less content > as the format started with in 1979. Far less cultural content...... > > Mike' > St. Petersburg Florida > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Mark Todd" > To: > Cc: > Sent: Thursday, March 06, 2003 8:45 PM > Subject: [CP] Possible solution for funding the new listserv > > > > > > > > I've enjoyed this list for a couple of years. I think I have an idea that > > might be the easiest for everybody. > > If we take the cost of the new listserv and divide it by the number of > > members, it would cover the cost and would be very little money. I don't > > know the numbers but I think I read that the listserv is about $50 a > month. > > There are about 1000 members. If these estimates are correct that would > come > > out to $.05 a month for every member. That's $.60 a year. I understand > there > > may be currency difference so it may be that only the people in the USA > can > > support the listserv. I don't know how much that will add to the numbers > > above, but I think it will still be a very small amount. If we all send $1 > > That will more than cover the listserv and can help cover the cp data base > > too. > > Another idea, If all the cp societies could add a voluntary donation for > the > > listserv to their memberships. That way nobody pays twice and nobody pays > > for something that they don't use. The cp societies will have no interest > in > > the listserv since since it would be donations. The societies main > interest > > should be preservation of plants and getting new members. The best way to > > keep people interested is to show them how to grow the plants properly. I > > have learned so much from the people here. This listserv is one of the > best > > things to get people to keep interest in these plants by showing them how > to > > successfully grow them. So I think this list benefits all the cp > societies. > > Let me know what everybody else thinks about this. > > Mark > > PS If we all send one dollar for this listserv, who wants to send Michael > P. > > his notice for payment? > > > > Paypal is nothing but hightech common thieves. > > Check out their customer feedback > > > > > http://www.planetfeedback.com/sharedLettersList/0,2941,101112-70-0-0-20-0-fb > _date-desc,00.html > > > > Don't become another paypal victim > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > > MSN 8 helps eliminate e-mail viruses. Get 2 months FREE*. > > http://join.msn.com/?page=features/virus > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Cp mailing list > > Cp@omnisterra.com > > http://omnisterra.com/mailman/listinfo/cp_omnisterra.com > > > _______________________________________________ > Cp mailing list > Cp@omnisterra.com > http://omnisterra.com/mailman/listinfo/cp_omnisterra.com ################### From: Cp@omnisterra.com (Jan Schlauer) Date: Fri, 07 Mar 2003 09:48:14 +0100 Subject: [CP] CPN format & contents Dear Mike, > I offer the further suggestion to consider is making CPN available as a > bi-monthly web magazine in addition to the quarterly with enhanced photos,, > and cultural information. I offer the suggestion you become the editor (and supposedly also the primary or even the sole author) of this new format that should not be called CPN in order to avoid confusion with the real thing. > I think there would be a > increase in subscriptions world wide for the International Society and the > cost would likely be less for a web based publication than the printed > material as well we could offer a more diverse format to new members with > many more photos. > I feel there would be stronger worldwide memberships and > increased articles for publication. There is no reason to make me feel the same way. > As for the short continue with a printed quarterly, We will do so (not just for the short but for our entire readership). > while investigating the interest in a web paid subscription. Please feel free to do this yourself. > Lets jump into the 21st century. We are there already. Hurry up and join us! > CPN is about the same size, less content > as the format started with in 1979. Far less cultural content...... Facts, please! After I had posted a short summary on recent contents in CPN, all discussions on our publishing policy have come to silence for almost a year (until you revived this essentially void thread by your recent message). Anyway, thanks in advance for any useful suggestions, and especially for suitable manuscript submissions! Kind regards Jan (CPN co-editor) ################### From: Cp@omnisterra.com (Jan Schlauer) Date: Fri, 07 Mar 2003 11:42:58 +0100 Subject: [CP] vft cultivars Dear all, VFTs without established cultivar names are grown under the "nicknames" "Cup Trap" and "Pom Pom", respectively. Perhaps it is little known that once the originator of a plant has knowingly distributed it (by sale, gift, exchange, etc.), he/she does not even need to be informed about the fact that the plant is being described, and the originator does not need to agree with anything (name, establishment, registration) whatsoever: ICNCP Art. 22.6: "A new cultivar epithet is not established if its publication is against the expressed wish of its originator or his assignee, unless the originator or his assignee had knowingly distributed that cultivar without a proposed cultivar epithet." This means *anyone* who does have the plant is actually entitled to describe it and to coin a cultivar name to his/her liking. This might sound unfair because it neglects what might be regarded the rights and wishes of the originator but it must not be forgotten that it is exclusively the originator's choice whether he/she wants to distribute the plants before they are named properly or not. If the originator distributes plants previous to establishment of a cultivar name, all rights (of the originator) regarding the name are void. If someone on this list does grow one or both of the above mentioned plants, please consider describing them in a publication (e.g. in CPN or any other journal read by cp growers) in order to establish cultivar names for them. If this has been done already (and I have just not noticed it), please inform me about any pertinent publication. If you have any questions regarding cp cultivar naming or description, please feel free to ask me (here or by private email: jan.schlauer@uni-tuebingen.de). Thank you very much for your help. Kind regards Jan (ICPS, International Registrar) ################### From: Cp@omnisterra.com (Karl-Heinz Tessner) Date: 07 Mar 2003 13:38 GMT Subject: [CP] (no subject) --=20 Karl-Heinz Tessner Ulbarger Strasse 22 26629 Timmel Deutschland / Germany ################### From: Cp@omnisterra.com (Chris Teichreb) Date: Fri, 07 Mar 2003 07:56:12 -0800 Subject: [CP] vft cultivars Hello Jan, >This means *anyone* who does have the plant is actually entitled to >describe it and to coin a cultivar name to his/her liking. This might sound >unfair because it neglects what might be regarded the rights and wishes of >the originator but it must not be forgotten that it is exclusively the >originator's choice whether he/she wants to distribute the plants before >they are named properly or not. If the originator distributes plants >previous to establishment of a cultivar name, all rights (of the >originator) regarding the name are void. > Correct me if I'm wrong, but I thought the ICPS encouraged distribution of a plant among growers prior to naming it as a cultivar. By doing this, it ensures it is in cultivation and others deem it worthy. This avoids having all of these cultivar names for plants that were never properly distributed, or just plain unworthy of cultivar status in the opinion of the general cp community. I can see why naming prior to distribution is preferred, as it avoid the confusion between nicknames and true cultivar names. However, I look through the list of recently named cultivars and rarely see half of them on sellers or traders lists. Is there a way for a grower to secure a the right to describe a particular cultivar without actually registering it until they have distributed it? That way, as stated above, it would ensure it was secure in cultivation and deemed worthy by others of cultivar status. Cheers! Chris _________________________________________________________________ Protect your PC - get McAfee.com VirusScan Online http://clinic.mcafee.com/clinic/ibuy/campaign.asp?cid=3963 ################### From: Cp@omnisterra.com (Rollins) Date: Fri, 7 Mar 2003 11:37:03 -0800 Subject: [CP] Electronic NewsLetter Electronic News Letter? Not for me. I like to hold the thing in my hands and pick it up and read it 10 , 20 years from now. Mainly, this was to see if I could get a message posted to the new list serv. James A. Rollins [mailto:willows@rose.net] ################### From: Cp@omnisterra.com ({USER_FIRSTNAME} {USER_LASTNAME}) Date: Fri, 7 Mar 2003 12:02:53 -0500 Subject: [CP] CPN format & contents Dear Jan, Please calm down, I was making no personal reference to the job you were doing or the quality of the publication. The suggestions were just that for consideration into the future. It is very clear how articles get published in CPN thanks to you and that wasn't what I was bringing up. If no one submits articles, nothing can be printed. Content wasn't the message, if I wasn't clear I am sorry for that. My mistake was I meant "we" are in (and yes I am a member Jan so I will continue to make suggestions rather you like it or not - I pay my dues and have been around since the beginning) the same format since March of 1978 (not 1979), the first year the change was made from the stapled newsletter from the mid 70's start up. I doubt I have the skills needed to be a Editor, but I could give it a try. Most likely though I would deny it and try my best to be fair the CPN at that point would lean towards cultural content over more scientific genetic/lab work and nomenclature. This is simply because that's what interest me more. All publications are swayed by the Editorial content and remembered that way. For instance the Washington Post Newspaper or New York Times may report the news but both are known for leaning a certain direction editorially. If I could be of any help, sign me up, but I won't lick stamps !!! Jan you honestly don't feel in the not to distant future that interest could grow with using the web for publication? The example of the official ICPS site is excellent, professionally done, interesting, & maintained. It is building nicely with expanding information. Worth a look and then another look on a regular basis to see what's new. More trade and professional publications are being made available as paid subscriptions on-line in various formats. The information can be expanded, is more timely, and allows for more photo opportunity over a costly printed format. I would think, it could streamline the help & labor needed to publish a printed Journal. It allows for more experimentation to see what works and what may not. It allows millions worldwide to sit in their homes to discover things they may never have found or had access to by past conventional means. It is a excellent resource for marketing when used carefully. The major drawback is that sitting at a computer screen isn't the same as having a hard copy in your hands and the freedom to look at it at ones leisure. This is a major drawback. You can find that on-line catalogs for mail order stores may be better detailed than a printed catalog but request for a hard copy of a catalog still are very high. In the future I predict that many more periodicals will be only available through the web as printing, labor, & postage continue to rise. Formats for copying the on-line publications such as pdf will become more used by the home computer for producing hard copies. Jan you are a very irritable sounding type of guy , and your sarcasm was noted in your demeaning reply to me. One word sums it up "Grump" (I bet you say I come off as some kind of nut case, well you are not far from the truth). But maybe that was because you thought I was attacking the way articles are submitted and published which is personal and I wasn't making comments regarding this past issue. You ask in your reply so here are some suggestions,........................ If I can submit something of use to the CPN I will. Barry contacted me man months ago regarding co-writing a article with Doug Darnowski. I would gladly write something, but in this case I didn't have the expertise needed to pull my end of the article so I declined. The article Barry suggested is excellent and would be extremely interesting to most readers of the CPN and I hope it will be completed. Further I am writing a article for future submission which is dreadfully needed this is on treating fungal disease on the plants. It is simply astounding to me that this most common killer of moist, warm, humid growing cp has not been gone into with any general information let alone detail in publications to this date. This will take sometime as I get the facts right and gather general data. More cp die off in collections due to fungal disease than anything else, regardless of the cause this is the killer of plants we grow. I suggest a regular Genus/species/cultivar column in every CPN, though done in the past cultural data changes and even repeated information would be welcomed. I will write on what I have long term experience growing. Give me a list I will contact growers and ask them if they would be interested in being a special guest writer regarding a special plant they grow well. We can do some short human interest feature as well as plants on the members of the ICPS - Hello Charles Brewer we would like you to write a article on your experiences with growing Cephalotus - Hello Fernando in Brazil we would like to write a article on your experience and a biography regarding your cp travels (human interest) - Hello Philip Sheridan we would like to run a article on your operation with photos and a bio of you -Hello Mike King CPN would be grateful if you would consider writing a article on how you grow such fine Sarracenia in England . -Hello Dean Cook we would like to do a article with photos of your favorite plants and notes how you grow them in the Pacific NW. - Hello Ivan Snyder how about a article for the June 2008 CPN regarding your interest with nomenclature of Drosera? - Hey Big Ed Munn you can grow those D. schrizandra like no one I have ever seen how about a article on growing these in a terrarium set in your living room for the CPN (most people don't have greenhouse's and these type of articles are important). .... yes I can do this, sign me up! I volunteer today. Well those are my facts for you and I am sticking with them. Please don't be such a meanie, Regards, Mike St. Petersburg Florida ################### From: Cp@omnisterra.com (TamlinD Dawnstar) Date: Fri, 7 Mar 2003 09:04:03 -0800 (PST) Subject: [CP] Re: Cultivar Publication --0-953637059-1047056643=:10422 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Dear Jan, I was wondering if the publication of cultivar status is restricted to the printed media (I assume it is). Wouldn't it be wonderful if the publication could happen in a faster fashion than allowed by conventional printed publication? Perhaps a future consideration might be the establishment of a dedicated web site to host photos and information regarding these cultivars - with stipulation that the approved entries be backed up in a hard copy, and placed appropriately in predetermined botanical libraries. If the information was burned to CD, these are easily copied and can be made as readily accessible as printed media. I envision a yearly updated CD containing all new entries, much like an annual Journal publication, distributed to the libraries, along with a conventional annual printing of the same material (needed since electronic recording media changes over time). Since this is under ICPS auspicies, the cost could and should be underwritten by society members, and the ICPN could publish the address of the website prominently, thereby affording its members (and incidently, the rest of the world) a readily accessible cultivar data base. Such a dedicated web site could contain contact information of the originator of the cultivar, photos, advice. If the only restriction to this concept is the question "who will do it", I believe that there are willing members of our community who will make this effort for the good of all. I think part of the reason no one registers these plants as cultivars is the paucity of acceptable journals for cultivar publication. The ICPN could not handle a serious and concerted effort to legitimize these common (but bogus) assignations by the CP community, even if all were willing to fully embrace the concept. The CPN backlog would stretch for years! I picture my proposal as working like this: If someone wanted to publish a cultivar they would write the description, attach the requisite photo(s) and email these to you. You would then assess the entry, and if acceptable after appropriate review, forward the file with your approval to the webmaster who then 1) enters it on the site (which entry carries a time/date stamp) and 2) backs it immediately to hard copy (stored in a couple of different places). Please consider and forward this concept, if you feel it has merit, to anyone with the capacity to make decisions regarding this protocol. I feel that with a speedier and more accessible vehicle of acceptable publication, many of these plants at last could have the legitimate name they deserve and are commonly referred to by, and we could begin intelligent discussion about what we grow, and what we think we grow. The internet is a powerful tool of communication, I hope we can utilize it to help bring intelligent resolution to the guessing game of "who has which what". In closing, I wish to express my personal admiration for Rick Walker's work, ethics, and focus. Hats off to you my man! Yours, William Dawnstar --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - forms, calculators, tips, and more --0-953637059-1047056643=:10422 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii


Dear Jan,

I was wondering if the publication of cultivar status is restricted to the printed media (I assume it is).  Wouldn't it be wonderful if the publication could happen in a faster fashion than allowed by conventional printed publication?

Perhaps a future consideration might be the establishment of a dedicated web site to host photos and information regarding these cultivars - with stipulation that the approved entries be backed up in a hard copy, and placed appropriately in predetermined botanical libraries.  If the information was burned to CD, these are easily copied and can be made as readily accessible as printed media.  I envision a yearly updated CD containing all new entries, much like an annual Journal publication, distributed to the libraries, along with a conventional annual printing of the same material (needed since electronic recording media changes over time).  Since this is under ICPS auspicies, the cost could and should be underwritten by society members, and the ICPN could publish the address of the website prominently, thereby affording its members (and incidently, the rest of the world) a readily accessible cultivar data base. 

Such a dedicated web site could contain contact information of the originator of the cultivar, photos, advice.  If the only restriction to this concept is the question "who will do it", I believe that there are willing members of our community who will make this effort for the good of all.

I think part of the reason no one registers these plants as cultivars is the paucity of acceptable journals for cultivar publication.  The ICPN could not handle a serious and concerted effort to legitimize these common (but bogus) assignations by the CP community, even if all were willing to fully embrace the concept.  The CPN backlog would stretch for years!

I picture my proposal as working like this: If someone wanted to publish a cultivar they would write the description, attach the requisite photo(s) and email these to you.  You would then assess the entry, and if acceptable after appropriate review, forward the file with your approval to the webmaster who then 1) enters it on the site (which entry carries a time/date stamp) and 2) backs it immediately to hard copy (stored in a couple of different places). 

Please consider and forward this concept, if you feel it has merit, to anyone with the capacity to make decisions regarding this protocol.  I feel that with a speedier and more accessible vehicle of acceptable publication, many of these plants at last could have the legitimate name they deserve and are commonly referred to by, and we could begin intelligent discussion about what we grow, and what we think we grow.  The internet is a powerful tool of communication, I hope we can utilize it to help bring intelligent resolution to the guessing game of "who has which what".

 

In closing, I wish to express my personal admiration for Rick Walker's work, ethics, and focus.  Hats off to you my man!

Yours,

William Dawnstar


Do you Yahoo!?
Yahoo! Tax Center - forms, calculators, tips, and more --0-953637059-1047056643=:10422-- ################### From: Cp@omnisterra.com (Cp@omnisterra.com) Date: Fri, 07 Mar 2003 12:27:09 -0500 Subject: [CP] CPN format & contents Mike, That was very well worded and very well written. Who wrote it for you? HAHAHAHA_cough, cough.... Really, very well put. I understand as well, you can only print what you have. I would love to see every issue have some kind of cultivation article as well(I even have a dormant BS in Biology and care more for cultivation articles), whether it be "how to grow" or a cultivar announcement. I have heard of Ed Munn, but never what he grows. I would love a private e-mail on how to grow giant D. schizandra, if he does not want to submit an article. That sounds like a winner. Scientific articles belong too, and I love it when Andreas Wistuba presents a new species in CPN. It's the perfect place for papers like that. I would like to see CPN printed as it is. The reason being, I like to have something to hold and read that looks nice, and there are a few members out there that might not have a computer. Computers really open up the hobby and I don't have to glumly wait for CPN in my mailbox to get nourishment like I did years ago. I think Peter Thiel has a e-mag on cp that you can get to from the web-ring, so we can have a online publication and a published manual. Anyhow good feedback is nice to do once in a while. Regards, Joe Griffin Lincoln, NE USA ################### From: Cp@omnisterra.com (Cp@omnisterra.com) Date: Fri, 07 Mar 2003 12:47:30 -0500 Subject: [CP] Re: Nepenthes pitchers Wayne, As Steven pointed out, the answer to the casual query is yes; in general terms, the position on the stem is a determinant of pitcher type. However, I've often found examples in the wild and in cultivation of plants clearly violating this trend.  Its occurrence is commensurate with those traits that are commonly associated with apical dominance in other genera, or as is the case here, a lack of it. If you are looking for overkill, read on; apical dominance is the inhibition of axillary bud germination (through plant growth regulator production) by the primary shoot.  To simplify grossly, a balance is struck between those phytoregulators produced by the roots, cytokinins, and those produced by the tissues flanking the apical meristem, auxins, setting up a chemical gradient along the length of the plant.   As you might know cytokinins such as BAP, are added to in vitro cultures to stimulate shoot multiplication - well of course, they do the very same thing in planta. This is why your Nepenthes specimen invariably produces basal offshoots once its climbing stem has torn through the top of your house and decimated the neighbourhood sparrow population; the cytokinin:auxin ratio at the base of the plant is raised, with the excess cytokinin causing shoot proliferation to occur. Does this answer your question?  Well, no, it doesn't, but it introduces a concept that is key to understanding how what you described is so readily observable under certain circumstances; apical dominance can be reduced through excessive leggy growth, by cutting off the top of the plant, and even by lowering the primary growth to a level lower than the remainder of the plant.  The latter point is very often a cause of the development of traits associated with the basal parts of plants in atypical positions, and is used extensively in horticulture (horizontal layering, éspalier-style growing of fruit trees to increase production &c.). An easy demo is to take a cutting of growth producing upper pitchers; they very often revert to lower or intermediate pitcher production for a time following rooting, before zipping back to upper pitcher production relatively quickly.  This happens because the growth of roots causes cytokinin production, lowering the local cytokinin:auxin ratio.  This state of affairs doesn't last very long, since the internodal distance of such cuttings is fairly large from the outset, and quickly brings on a reduction in apical dominance with each leaf produced. Whew.  We can take this offlist if I've managed to confuse.  I'm setting up a forum for Nepenthes (forum.happenchance.com) anyhow, and since the current population is zero, I'd welcome such discussion, though I haven't yet had time enough off from the lab to populate the forum categories.  Any input welcome. Best wishes, Alastair ---------------------------------- Alastair Robinson Institute of Biotechnology University of Cambridge Tennis Court Road Cambridge CB2 1QT UK Tel: +44 (1223) 334165 Fax: +44 (1223) 334162 ################### From: Cp@omnisterra.com (Cp@omnisterra.com) Date: Fri, 7 Mar 2003 12:55:16 EST Subject: [CP] Nepenthes Ventricosa --part1_f9.2a9ed2e5.2b9a3704_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable What were to happen if a Nepenthes Ventricosa was accidently broken in half?= =A0=20 i.e. some leaves left on the root section and the top half with a few=20 leaves.=A0 Is there any way to save both parts?=A0 How fast would growth be=20= for=20 either half? Not to worry, my N. ventricosa's are safe and sound=A0 :o) Also, how "tall" will a N. ventricosa grow?=A0 I've only got a couple of bab= ies=20 right now, one with 4" long lives and the other with 3" long leaves.=A0 They= =20 are doing great on my windowsill.=A0 Got a 10 inch long leaf N. ventricosa=20 coming in the mail as soon as the shipping weather improves=A0 :o) Oh yes and one more question, I'm planning on putting all of my N. ventricos= a=20 into one large hanging basket, I'd like to gow one or two more nepenthes as=20 well in the same hanging basket, what other Nepenthes could you recommend=20 with similar needs of N. ventrcosa that would thrive in a windowsill=20 condition? I've read the books, but I'd like to have some personal insight=20 into this as well. Thanks a bunch, as always, everyone on this list has=20 fabulous insight and view points! Christine & Lucy the Giant Schnauzer Isle Of L= ucy Great Minds think alike, but Giant Minds think for themselves. --part1_f9.2a9ed2e5.2b9a3704_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable What were to happen if a Nepenthes Ventricosa was acci= dently broken in half?=A0 i.e. some leaves left on the root section and the=20= top half with a few leaves.=A0 Is there any way to save both parts?=A0 How f= ast would growth be for either half?

Not to worry, my N. ventricosa's are safe and sound=A0 :o)

Also, how "tall" will a N. ventricosa grow?=A0 I've only got a couple of bab= ies right now, one with 4" long lives and the other with 3" long leaves.=A0=20= They are doing great on my windowsill.=A0 Got a 10 inch long leaf N. ventric= osa coming in the mail as soon as the shipping weather improves=A0 :o)

Oh yes and one more question, I'm planning on putting all of my N. ventricos= a into one large hanging basket, I'd like to gow one or two more nepenthes a= s well in the same hanging basket, what other Nepenthes could you recommend=20= with similar needs of N. ventrcosa that would thrive in a windowsill conditi= on?  I've read the books, but I'd like to have some personal insight in= to this as well.  Thanks a bunch, as always, everyone on this list has=20= fabulous insight and view points!

Christine & Lucy the Giant Schnauzer<= FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" style=3D"BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" SIZE=3D2 FAMILY= =3D"SANSSERIF" FACE=3D"Arial" LANG=3D"0">
Isle Of Lucy
Great Minds think alike, but Giant Minds think for themselves.

--part1_f9.2a9ed2e5.2b9a3704_boundary-- ################### From: Cp@omnisterra.com (wouter) Date: Sat, 08 Mar 2003 16:54:45 +0100 Subject: [CP] Trip to Carniflora Hi fellow Cp'ers, A few weeks ago I mentioned about a dutch nursery Carniflora in Holland. Saturday 24th of May I orginise a trip to this nursery. I want to invite everyone to come to this commercial nursery. There will be many members of the Dutch, Belgium and German Cp society. And even a few from the UK. This nursery is easilly to reach by carr or by train and is very close to Schiphol, Amsterdam Airport. They grow some nice Sarracenia hybrids like S. excellens, but also Byblis liniflora, Darlingtonia and Drosera regia. I have many pictures of this nursery, so feel free to ask. I can also send you a map of the area where Carniflora is located, so you can find your way to Carniflora. Look on their website www.carniflora.nl/dutch The prices are very cheap! They grow most of the plants in 12 or 8 cm pots. Most of the Sarraccenia in 8 cm pots are 1,25 Euro p.p. The larger plants in 12 pots are 3,50 Euro p.p. Feel free to ask information about the trip! Take care, Wouter Noordeloos Carnivora ################### From: Cp@omnisterra.com (Barry A. Rice) Date: Sat, 8 Mar 2003 15:59:50 -0800 (PST) Subject: [CP] ICPS and the CP listserve Hey Folks, Just a virtual appearance between business trips.. What a drag that the CP listserve is having to change. It is too bad when something that is working well has to be messed with. I'm not a board member of the ICPS, so my opinions have no more strength than anyone else's on this listserve, but here are my few cents.... 1)I don't like yahoo groups. In my experience, "free services" are not around for very long. Also, I don't trust companies like Yahoo to be invested in notions of the public good. They are motivated by profit. So I would not trust Yahoo groups to not sell our email addresses, etc. 2)I think that the ICPS (or a consortium of CP societies) should support the CP listserve for the long term. I read the criticism that the entire ICPS membership might not benefit from supporting the listserve, but don't consider this important. After all, not everyone benefits from every action the ICPS does anyway. For example, some people in the ICPS may not care about conservation, but the ICPS has an active conservation program. The listserve would fit perfectly with the ICPS's mission statement of contributing to the distribution of information about CP! I'm sure it would fit well with the mission statement of other CP societies, too. There is probably the concern that someone making inflammatory remarks on the listserve could fly in the face of the ICPS. For example, maybe someone could sue the ICPS if their feelings were hurt on the listserve? I don't know if this is a realistic concern, but suspect some kind of firewall language could be inserted in the listserve description to protect the ICPS (or a consortium of CP societies) from goofy litigious people looking for an easy buck. Cheers Barry ------------------------ Barry A. Rice, Ph.D. Carnivorous Plant Newsletter Conservation Coeditor barry@carnivorousplants.org http://www.carnivorousplants.org ################### From: Cp@omnisterra.com (Frederick JM Depuydt) Date: Sun, 09 Mar 2003 03:56:35 +0100 Subject: [CP] Nepenthes coccinea upper pitcher Hello, has anybody ever witnessed or preferably photographed a Nepenthes coccinea upper pitcher? Cheers, Frederick Need a new email address that people can remember Check out the new EudoraMail at http://www.eudoramail.com ################### From: Cp@omnisterra.com ({USER_FIRSTNAME} {USER_LASTNAME}) Date: Sat, 8 Mar 2003 22:16:06 -0500 Subject: [CP] Nepenthes coccinea upper pitcher Its possible ----- Original Message ----- To: Sent: Saturday, March 08, 2003 9:56 PM > Hello, > > has anybody ever witnessed or preferably photographed a Nepenthes > coccinea upper pitcher? > > Cheers, > Frederick > > > Need a new email address that people can remember > Check out the new EudoraMail at > http://www.eudoramail.com > > _______________________________________________ > Cp mailing list > Cp@omnisterra.com > http://omnisterra.com/mailman/listinfo/cp_omnisterra.com ################### From: Cp@omnisterra.com (Malesiana Tropicals) Date: Sun, 9 Mar 2003 16:24:31 +0800 Subject: [CP] new list-server This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_002D_01C2E658.A1BBDFB0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_001_002E_01C2E658.A1BBDFB0" ------=_NextPart_001_002E_01C2E658.A1BBDFB0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Dear George, Are you still interested to receive the attached invoice. Did you cancel it? Kind regards, Lisa -- Malesiana Tropicals Sdn. Bhd. 1st Floor, Lot 4909, Sect. 64 KTLD, Upland Shop House, Jln. Upland 93300 Kuching, Sarawak, Malaysia Phone: [int'l prefix]+(6082) 419-290 Fax: [int'l prefix]+(6082) 423-494 http://www.malesiana.tropicals.com.my -----Original Message----- Of ZITMCKAY@aol.com Sent: 06 March 2003 10:35 To: Cp@omnisterra.com Just sending a post to the list to make shore it is working on my end. I believe I introduced myself a while ago when I first posted to the old list but, from that point I have gained a lot of other plants to add to my grow list. I'm interested in anything I can get my hands on to grow. George McKay ------=_NextPart_001_002E_01C2E658.A1BBDFB0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message
Dear=20 George,
 
Are=20 you still interested to receive the attached invoice. Did you cancel=20 it?
 
Kind=20 regards,
 
Lisa
 
 

--
Malesiana Tropicals Sdn. Bhd.
1st Floor, Lot = 4909,=20 Sect. 64 KTLD, Upland Shop House, Jln. Upland 93300 Kuching, Sarawak,=20 Malaysia
Phone: [int'l prefix]+(6082) 419-290
Fax: [int'l = prefix]+(6082)=20 423-494 http://www.malesiana.trop= icals.com.my

 =20

-----Original Message-----
From:=20 Cp-admin@omnisterra.com [mailto:Cp-admin@omnisterra.com] On Behalf = Of=20 ZITMCKAY@aol.com
Sent: 06 March 2003 10:35
To: = Cp@omnisterra.com
Subject: [CP] new=20 list-server

Just sending a post to the = list to make=20 shore it is working on my end. I believe I introduced myself a while = ago when=20 I first posted to the old list but, from that point I have gained a = lot of=20 other plants to add to my grow list. I'm interested in anything I can = get my=20 hands on to grow.

George McKay =
------=_NextPart_001_002E_01C2E658.A1BBDFB0-- ------=_NextPart_000_002D_01C2E658.A1BBDFB0 Content-Type: application/msword; name="QUOTATION 1454.rtf" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="QUOTATION 1454.rtf" {\rtf1\ansi\ansicpg1252\paperh15840\paperw12240\margl1008\margr360\margt3= 60\margb720\psz1{\colortbl\red0\green0\blue0;\red255\green255\blue255;\re= d192\green192\blue192;}{\fonttbl\f0\fcharset0\fnil = Arial;\f1\fcharset0\fnil Courier New;\f2\fcharset0\fnil Times New = Roman;\f3\fcharset0\fnil Times New Roman;\f4\fcharset0\fnil Century = Gothic;\f5\fcharset0\fnil Century Gothic;\f6\fcharset0\fnil Courier = New;}\pard\plain\sb60\tx90\tqr\tx9930{\plain\tab\fs30\b\f4\cf0\cb1 = MALESIANA TROPICALS Sdn. Bhd. (467897-D)\plain\tab\fs36\b\f5\cf2\cb1 = Quotation{\fs50\par}}\pard\plain\tx90{\plain\tab\fs16\f3\cf0\cb1 1st = Floor Lot 4909, Sec. 64 KTLD, Upland Shop House, Jln. = Upland{\fs21\par}}\pard\plain\tx90\tx5835\tqc\tx8706{\plain\tab\fs16\f3\c= f0\cb1 93200 Kuching, Sarawak, Malaysia\plain\tab\fs20\b\f2\cf0\cb2 = REFERENCE #\plain\tab\fs20\f1\cf0\cb1 = MT/CC/0837/12/02{\fs31\par}}\pard\plain\tx90\tqc\tx6825\tqc\tx8872{\plain= \tab\fs16\f3\cf0\cb1 Phone:6082-419290 Fax:6082-423494 = Email:malesiana@tropicals.com.my\plain\tab\fs20\b\f2\cf0\cb2 INVOICE = DATE\plain\tab\fs20\b\f2\cf0\cb2 INVOICE = NUMBER{\fs33\par}}\pard\plain\tqc\tx2517\tqc\tx6825\tqc\tx8872{\plain\tab= \fs20\b\f2\cf0\cb2 DELIVER TO\plain\tab\fs20\f1\cf0\cb1 = 17-Dec-02\plain\tab\fs24\b\f6\cf0\cb1 = 0{\fs28\par}}\pard\plain\tx144{\plain\tab\fs20\f1\cf0\cb1 = Mckay{\fs24\par}}\pard\plain\tx144\tqc\tx5898\tqc\tx7470\tqc\tx9105{\plai= n\tab\fs20\f1\cf0\cb1 George Mckay\plain\tab\fs20\b\f2\cf0\cb2 ORDER = DATE\plain\tab\fs20\b\f2\cf0\cb2 SHIP DATE\plain\tab\fs20\b\f2\cf0\cb2 = SHIP = VIA{\fs25\par}}\pard\plain\sb14\tx144\tqc\tx5883\tqc\tx9105{\plain\tab\fs= 20\f1\cf0\cb1 305 Iris Street,\plain\tab\fs20\f1\cf0\cb1 = 17/12/2002\plain\tab\fs20\f1\cf0\cb1 = PosLaju{\fs24\par}}\pard\plain\sb14\tx144\tqc\tx7522{\plain\tab\fs20\f1\c= f0\cb1 PO Box 2030, Anna Maria Fl 34216 \plain\tab\fs20\b\f2\cf0\cb2 = PAYMENT = TERMS{\fs24\par}}\pard\plain\sb104\tx144{\plain\tab\fs20\f1\cf0\cb1 = USA{\fs24\par}}\pard\plain\sb149\tqc\tx7522{\plain\tab\fs20\b\f2\cf0\cb2 = VALIDITY{\fs25\par}}\pard\plain\tqc\tx7522{\plain\tab\fs20\b\f2\cf0\cb2 = Plants will be released if no = confirmation{\fs22\par}}\pard\plain\tx144\tx1008\tqc\tx7522{\plain\tab\fs= 20\f1\cf0\cb1 Phone:\plain\tab\fs20\f1\cf0\cb1 1 941 778 = 7469\plain\tab\fs20\b\f2\cf0\cb2 of order within 14 working = days.{\fs25\par}}\pard\plain\sb192\tx90\tqc\tx3421\tqc\tx6284\tqc\tx7854\= tqc\tx9315{\plain\tab\fs20\b\f2\cf0\cb2 = QUANTITY\plain\tab\fs20\b\f2\cf0\cb2 PRODUCT = DESCRIPTION\plain\tab\fs20\b\f2\cf0\cb2 UNIT PRICE = (USD)\plain\tab\fs20\b\f2\cf0\cb2 DISCOUNT\plain\tab\fs20\b\f2\cf0\cb2 = AMOUNT = (USD){\fs27\par}}\pard\plain\sb29\tx90\tx1296\tqr\tx7146\tqr\tx8520\tqr\t= x10083{\plain\tab\fs20\f1\cf0\cb1 8\plain\tab\fs20\f1\cf0\cb1 Packing & = handling (pots)\plain\tab\fs20\f1\cf0\cb1 = $0.00\plain\tab\fs20\f1\cf0\cb1 0.00%\plain\tab\fs20\f1\cf0\cb1 = $0.00{\fs24\par}}\pard\plain\tx90\tx1296\tqr\tx7146\tqr\tx8520\tqr\tx1008= 3{\plain\tab\fs20\f1\cf0\cb1 1\plain\tab\fs20\f1\cf0\cb1 N. = aristolochioides\plain\tab\fs20\f1\cf0\cb1 = $30.00\plain\tab\fs20\f1\cf0\cb1 0.00%\plain\tab\fs20\f1\cf0\cb1 = $30.00{\fs24\par}}\pard\plain\tx90\tx1296\tqr\tx7146\tqr\tx8520\tqr\tx100= 83{\plain\tab\fs20\f1\cf0\cb1 1\plain\tab\fs20\f1\cf0\cb1 N. = bongso\plain\tab\fs20\f1\cf0\cb1 $20.00\plain\tab\fs20\f1\cf0\cb1 = 0.00%\plain\tab\fs20\f1\cf0\cb1 = $20.00{\fs24\par}}\pard\plain\tx90\tx1296\tqr\tx7146\tqr\tx8520\tqr\tx100= 83{\plain\tab\fs20\f1\cf0\cb1 1\plain\tab\fs20\f1\cf0\cb1 N. = lowii\plain\tab\fs20\f1\cf0\cb1 $0.00\plain\tab\fs20\f1\cf0\cb1 = 0.00%\plain\tab\fs20\f1\cf0\cb1 = $0.00{\fs24\par}}\pard\plain\tx90\tx1296\tqr\tx7146\tqr\tx8520\tqr\tx1008= 3{\plain\tab\fs20\f1\cf0\cb1 1\plain\tab\fs20\f1\cf0\cb1 N. bicalcarata = (Sri Aman, squat)\plain\tab\fs20\f1\cf0\cb1 = $8.00\plain\tab\fs20\f1\cf0\cb1 0.00%\plain\tab\fs20\f1\cf0\cb1 = $8.00{\fs24\par}}\pard\plain\tx90\tx1296\tqr\tx7146\tqr\tx8520\tqr\tx1008= 3{\plain\tab\fs20\f1\cf0\cb1 1\plain\tab\fs20\f1\cf0\cb1 N. = northiana\plain\tab\fs20\f1\cf0\cb1 $0.00\plain\tab\fs20\f1\cf0\cb1 = 0.00%\plain\tab\fs20\f1\cf0\cb1 = $0.00{\fs24\par}}\pard\plain\tx90\tx1296\tqr\tx7146\tqr\tx8520\tqr\tx1008= 3{\plain\tab\fs20\f1\cf0\cb1 1\plain\tab\fs20\f1\cf0\cb1 N. hirsuta = (Kuching, spotted)\plain\tab\fs20\f1\cf0\cb1 = $5.00\plain\tab\fs20\f1\cf0\cb1 0.00%\plain\tab\fs20\f1\cf0\cb1 = $5.00{\fs24\par}}\pard\plain\tx90\tx1296\tqr\tx7146\tqr\tx8520\tqr\tx1008= 3{\plain\tab\fs20\f1\cf0\cb1 1\plain\tab\fs20\f1\cf0\cb1 N. maxima = (Borone, lowland)\plain\tab\fs20\f1\cf0\cb1 = $8.00\plain\tab\fs20\f1\cf0\cb1 0.00%\plain\tab\fs20\f1\cf0\cb1 = $8.00{\fs24\par}}\pard\plain\tx90\tx1296\tqr\tx7146\tqr\tx8520\tqr\tx1008= 3{\plain\tab\fs20\f1\cf0\cb1 1\plain\tab\fs20\f1\cf0\cb1 N. rafflesiana = (Kuching, squat \plain\tab\fs20\f1\cf0\cb1 = $5.00\plain\tab\fs20\f1\cf0\cb1 0.00%\plain\tab\fs20\f1\cf0\cb1 = $5.00{\fs24\par}}\pard\plain\sb179\tx90\tqc\tx7959\tqr\tx10005{\plain\tab= \fs16\f3\cf0\cb1 1. Submission of all permits is subject upon receipt of = full payment for the amount stated. \plain\tab\fs20\b\f2\cf0\cb2 = SUBTOTAL\plain\tab\fs20\f1\cf0\cb1 = $76.00{\fs25\par}}\pard\plain\tx90{\plain\tab\fs16\f3\cf0\cb1 2. = Malesiana Tropicals will not be responsible for any delay in application = of = permits.{\fs18\par}}\pard\plain\tx90\tqc\tx7963\tqr\tx10005{\plain\tab\fs= 16\f3\cf0\cb1 3. All import permits (if applicable) must be provided by = Customers to facilitate the application \plain\tab\fs20\b\f2\cf0\cb2 = DISCOUNT\plain\tab\fs20\f1\cf0\cb1 = $0.00{\fs25\par}}\pard\plain\tx90\tqc\tx7959\tqr\tx10005{\plain\tab\fs16\= f3\cf0\cb1 of Phyto permit. Failure to do so, will cause delay in = shipment.\plain\tab\fs20\b\f2\cf0\cb2 FREIGHT\plain\tab\fs20\f1\cf0\cb1 = $29.00{\fs31\par}}\pard\plain\tx90{\plain\tab\fs16\f3\cf0\cb1 4. Please = inspect contents immediately upon arrival. Malesiana Tropicals = guarantees healthy = {\fs18\par}}\pard\plain\tx90\tqc\tx7972\tqr\tx10005{\plain\tab\fs16\f3\cf= 0\cb1 arrival of plants - if you receive severely damaged or dead = material contact us within 3 working \plain\tab\fs20\b\f2\cf0\cb2 TOTAL = (USD)\plain\tab\fs20\f1\cf0\cb1 = $105.00{\fs25\par}}\pard\plain\tx90{\plain\tab\fs16\f3\cf0\cb1 days and = we will replace the plants free of charge. Damaged material totaling in = value of less than = {\fs18\par}}\pard\plain\tx90{\plain\tab\fs16\f3\cf0\cb1 USD200.00 will = be included as credit towards your next = order.{\fs18\par}}\pard\plain\tx90\tqc\tx7702{\plain\tab\fs16\f3\cf0\cb1 = 5. All plant material has been treated with insecticide and fungicide = prior to shipment and should \plain\tab\fs20\b\f2\cf0\cb2 TOTAL = PAYMENTS{\fs18\par}}\pard\plain\sb103\tx90\tqc\tx7702\tqr\tx10005{\plain\= tab\fs16\f3\cf0\cb1 be washed thoroughly before = planting.\plain\tab\fs20\b\f2\cf0\cb2 AMOUNT = DUE\plain\tab\fs20\f1\cf0\cb1 = $105.00{\fs25\par}}\pard\plain\sb5414\tx90\tqr\tx10008{\plain\tab\fs20\b\= f2\cf0\cb1 26 February 2003\plain\tab\fs20\b\f2\cf0\cb1 PAGE 1 of = 1{\fs25\par}}} ------=_NextPart_000_002D_01C2E658.A1BBDFB0-- ################### From: Cp@omnisterra.com (mike wilder) Date: Sun, 09 Mar 2003 11:05:28 +0000 Subject: [CP] cultivars hello chris, you are right that there are many people who have expressed the hope that cultivars will be widely distributed before they are named; even the icps website has helped spread the idea that cultivars should be "worthy", excellent, outstanding, etc. but it is important for everyone to realize that the icps does not and cannot govern the rules of nomenclature regarding cultivars. we can suggest a million ideas that would be "better" or appear sensible but they really have no weight; anyone who agrees to follow the rules simply must without modification. and jan and others have no intention of not following them. this is not an irrational position, even if some disagree with it. but it does have the consequence that anyone can name any plant for any reason, so long as that person "distinguishes" the plant for some reason, and if that distinguishing feature or features can be described in the appropriate way (i.e., according to the rules.) the code makes no mention of worthiness, excellence or outstandingness as necessary or sufficient criteria for ascribing cultivar status. "distinguishability" is all that matters. so it ultimately doesn't matter whether anyone has or appreciates a cultivar aside from the namer, at least as far the question: does plant x deserve a cultivar name? only the namer need think so. there are two ways the interpret these facts: 1. the nomenclatural rules are stupid and the icps shouldn't follow them. a person who argues for this view ought to be qualified to edit the cpn and ought to be willing to personally tell the nomenclatural authorities that the icps is pulling out of its agreement to be a registering authority. 2. the rules are imperfect or not "ideal", just like everything else that humans have a hand in. the rules are nicely democratic and declare that all growers are equally qualified to determine whether a given plant is "distinguishable" and therefore worthy of a cultivar name. i post this not to attack you chris at all (and certainly not in particular.) it's just that these matters have been argued back and forth repeatedly, including by me. so i hope it will benefit everyone to at least see what the icps can and cannot do regarding cultivars. it can't write new rules, unless it abandons the code. as a practical matter, if someone has a plant they think may merit cultivar status, and if they want confirmation or feedback before naming it, it shouldn't be too difficult for them to find trustworthy people who can receive and evaluate clones with this understanding. but this practical method cannot be formalized by the icps as a sort of rule; it doesn't have this authority. in any case, i myself have found that it is much easier to question the code than it is to write a better one. this does not of course prevent me from giddily circulating plants with wholly invalid names like p. sp. "la vuelta", "molango", "sierra obscura", ad infinitum. that there is a standardized way of naming plants accepted by our community does not prevent anyone from celebrating and perpetuating idiolects [except in the pages of the cpn, and i guess except for sp. "floating"] :) mike wilder www.geocities.com/pingenstein _________________________________________________________________ The new MSN 8: smart spam protection and 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail ################### From: Cp@omnisterra.com (delphine dubois) Date: Sun, 9 Mar 2003 20:44:43 +0400 Subject: [CP] seeds to trade C'est un message de format MIME en plusieurs parties. ------=_NextPart_000_009F_01C2E67C.B68507E0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable hi! i have seeds of: - drosera capensis sp - drosera binata var. multifida - dionaea muscipula - darlingtonia californica=20 - sarracenia flava rugelli to swap. in exchange, i'm looking for seeds of drosera: cistiflora madagascariensis pilosa pauciflora prolifera regia slackii ascendens banksii caledonica dielsiana esterhuyseniae hamiltonii graminifolia chrysolepis indica montana var montana montana var schwackei romaimae sessilifolia trinervia venusta i swap in small amounts only for the moment. contact me. thanks. deedee *** pseudo/nickname aim (aol), messenger (msn & yahoo) : darlingtonia974 icq : 328465923 darlingtonia974 http://site.voila.fr/carniland plantes carnivores / carnivorous plants ------=_NextPart_000_009F_01C2E67C.B68507E0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
hi!
 
i have seeds of:
- drosera capensis sp
- drosera binata var. multifida
- dionaea muscipula
- darlingtonia californica
- sarracenia flava rugelli
to swap.
 
in exchange, i'm looking for seeds of drosera:
cistiflora
madagascariensis
pilosa
pauciflora
prolifera
regia
slackii
ascendens
banksii
caledonica
dielsiana
esterhuyseniae
hamiltonii
graminifolia
chrysolepis
indica
montana var montana
montana var schwackei
romaimae
sessilifolia
trinervia
venusta
 
i swap in small amounts only for the moment.
 
contact me.
 
thanks.
 
deedee

***
pseudo/nickname = aim (aol),=20 messenger (msn & yahoo) : darlingtonia974
icq : 328465923=20 darlingtonia974
http://site.voila.fr/carniland
plantes=20 carnivores / carnivorous plants
------=_NextPart_000_009F_01C2E67C.B68507E0-- ################### From: Cp@omnisterra.com (Cp@omnisterra.com) Date: Sun, 9 Mar 2003 12:43:51 EST Subject: [CP] attachments --part1_173.16d1a2ee.2b9cd757_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Rick; As a suggestion, might I recommend that the listserv not allow attachments. Due to the prevalence of viruses being sent by e-mail attachments, this could be asking for trouble. TTFN Hamir the Hermit "The party in question, managed to aggravate the CID, Gave them my address, now they're after me. Living without fear, living without a straight career, Living without fear, you, and your great ideas." --part1_173.16d1a2ee.2b9cd757_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Rick;


As a suggestion, might I recommend that the listserv not allow attachments.&= nbsp; Due to the prevalence of viruses being sent by e-mail attachments, thi= s could be asking for trouble.




TTFN

Hamir the Hermit

"The party in questi= on, managed to aggravate the CID,
Gave them my address, now they're after me.
Living without fear, living without a straight career,
Living without fear, you, and your great ideas." --part1_173.16d1a2ee.2b9cd757_boundary-- ################### From: Cp@omnisterra.com (kinyon) Date: Sun, 9 Mar 2003 09:49:42 -0800 Subject: [CP] boring webcam take 3 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0000_01C2E621.358AE700 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hey folks, The Darlingtonia bloomed, so its on my webcam today at "goof.camarades.com" Watching plants grow at the speed of light! Joseph Kinyon ------=_NextPart_000_0000_01C2E621.358AE700 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hey=20 folks,
 
The = Darlingtonia=20 bloomed, so its on my webcam today at = "goof.camarades.com"
 
Watching plants grow=20 at the speed of light!
 
Joseph = Kinyon
------=_NextPart_000_0000_01C2E621.358AE700-- ################### From: Cp@omnisterra.com (Georg J. Stach) Date: Sun, 9 Mar 2003 19:31:13 +0100 Subject: [CP] attachments Hi Rick, additionally all HTML-parts and other non-text/plain-MIME-contents should be cut away by the listserve-parser, if possible. :-) Thanks Georg ################### From: Cp@omnisterra.com (Tim Malcolm) Date: Sun, 9 Mar 2003 11:46:51 -0700 Subject: [CP] HTML in messages Is there any way to prevent html-formatted messages from being distributed by the list? Currently, about half of the content of my digests is taken up by unreadable duplicated copies formatted in html. tim. ################### From: Cp@omnisterra.com (Ivan Snyder) Date: Sun, 9 Mar 2003 11:06:49 -0800 Subject: [CP] CPN format & contents - Hello Ivan Snyder how about a article for the June 2008 CPN regarding your interest with nomenclature of Drosera? Regards, Mike St. Petersburg Florida Hi Mike and all, I see we have all crossed over to the next plain successfully. Thanks to Rick for making this all possible. I enjoy both CP Digest and CPN in their present format. I do not have internet access, only e-mail at home. I would be happy to contribute such an article for CPN. It is sure to receive a compromising annotation in the form of a biased and even hostile editorial comment. Seems this sort of conflict actually appeals to readers here. A species will have the most competition with members of its own. Competition is needed to progress. Man has proven to be an exceptionally aggressive and competitive species. Certainly the greatest on this world. Be proud? Ivan ________________________________________________________________ Sign Up for Juno Platinum Internet Access Today Only $9.95 per month! Visit www.juno.com ################### From: Cp@omnisterra.com (Cp@omnisterra.com) Date: Sun, 9 Mar 2003 15:11:53 EST Subject: [CP] html crud --part1_18e.176aaec6.2b9cfa09_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Is it just me or is there an awful lot of html crud in the digest? What a pain to find the new messages among the html code and reply to reply to reply. Tony --part1_18e.176aaec6.2b9cfa09_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Is it just me or is there an awful lot of html crud in= the digest?  What a pain to find the new messages among the html code=20= and reply to reply to reply.
Tony --part1_18e.176aaec6.2b9cfa09_boundary-- ################### From: Cp@omnisterra.com (Gary Kong) Date: Sun, 09 Mar 2003 15:25:15 -0500 Subject: [CP] html crud I'm receiving individual emails to an account that is specifically for this listserve and anything related to it. I'm currently having no trouble with html tags and am receiving everything in plain text, although a couple of attachments have made their way through. Perhaps if you set your preferences to receive individual emails as they arrive, you would alleviate your html-in-digest woes. Gary Kong NTnChubbs@aol.com wrote: >Is it just me or is there an awful lot of html crud in the digest?  What a >pain to find the new messages among the html code and reply to reply to >reply. >Tony > -- San Francisco, CA World Leader Pretend: http://www.foulds2000.freeserve.co.uk/bushv5.htm __________________________________________________________________ The NEW Netscape 7.0 browser is now available. Upgrade now! http://channels.netscape.com/ns/browsers/download.jsp Get your own FREE, personal Netscape Mail account today at http://webmail.netscape.com/ ################### From: Cp@omnisterra.com (Rick Walker) Date: Sun, 09 Mar 2003 12:53:27 -0800 Subject: [CP] Re: attachments "Georg J. Stach" writes: > additionally all HTML-parts and other non-text/plain-MIME-contents > should be cut away by the listserve-parser, if possible. :-) "Tim Malcolm" writes: > Is there any way to prevent html-formatted messages from being > distributed by the list? Currently, about half of the content of my > digests is taken up by unreadable duplicated copies formatted in html. The main disadvantage with using an ISP service and not running my own server is that I cannot easily create custom scripts for processing the mail. The old Agilent listserv was heavily customized to edit out mime text, SPAM, images, attachements and to do automatic line wrapping... etc. Several possibilities suggest themselves, though. Currently, I have subscribed everyone to receive "plain" mail. You can set your preferences to receive MIME digests instead. Then if you run a MIME compatible mail reader you wont see all the gunk that is generated by people using internet explorer and other "fancy" mail clients. The second suggestion is that we continue to kindly encourage everyone to send plain ASCII messages. To enforce this will require gentle education and constant periodic reminders (ideally in the form of private email suggestions) to the new members who aren't yet listserv-savvy. Using MIME or HTML on a listserv is an indication of someone who is still learning the ropes. Please encourage such people to try to "get with the program" ASAP to keep the CP list as pleasant as possible. Maybe we can create a FAQ explaining how to shut off MIME for some common mail programs (Pine, ELM, Netscape, IE, Eudora, etc). In most mail programs, there will be a way to "Set Preferences" for Mail. Please select "plain ASCII" or turn off "MIME" and "HTML" formatting. Such encoding is usually utterly irrelevant for our purposes because it tries to set fonts that may not exist on most computers, or tries to justify the text in ways which are incompatible with many of our readers. Use of these proprietary formats typically expands the message, bandwidth and disk space used by at least 2.5x for MIME and about 15x for encoded Microsoft Word files. I'm happy to try to help anyone, or to try to clarify these points if there is any confusion. I'll also see if there is a way that I can set up a mail alias to run all incoming mail through some filtering scripts. I just breathed a sigh of relief to have the list running at all. The cosmetic touches may take a while longer :-). kind regards, -- Rick Walker ################### From: Cp@omnisterra.com (Christopher Armstrong) Date: Sun, 9 Mar 2003 18:03:13 -0500 Subject: [CP] Nepenthes growing points Hello all, I have a very old, rather branchy N. alata witch I just repotted a couple weeks ago. I removed three climbing stems and left one to grow. Now the plant has gone crazy and has started to send out 13 (I counted) new growing points. Would it diminish the pitchers to let all 13 points grow (witch I think would look pretty impressive), or should I remove some of them? Regards, Jonathan Armstrong ################### From: Cp@omnisterra.com (Steve LaWarre) Date: Mon, 10 Mar 2003 08:34:32 -0500 Subject: [CP] Nepenthes growing points Hey Jonathan, IF you have that Nep in a BIG container, It should do just fine. I find = that big plants will support lots of basal growth just fine as long as = they have lots of room. Keep it in a BIG container and watch it go = crazy. Steve LaWarre Grand Rapids, MI=20 > -----Original Message----- > From: Christopher Armstrong [mailto:gollum0@bellsouth.net] > Sent: Sunday, March 09, 2003 6:03 PM > To: Cp@omnisterra.com > Subject: [CP] Nepenthes growing points >=20 >=20 > Hello all, > I have a very old, rather branchy N. alata witch I just=20 > repotted a couple > weeks ago. I removed three climbing stems and left one to=20 > grow. Now the > plant has gone crazy and has started to send out 13 (I=20 > counted) new growing > points. Would it diminish the pitchers to let all 13 points=20 > grow (witch I > think would look pretty impressive), or should I remove some of them? >=20 > Regards, Jonathan Armstrong >=20 >=20 > _______________________________________________ > Cp mailing list > Cp@omnisterra.com > http://omnisterra.com/mailman/listinfo/cp_omnisterra.com >=20 ################### From: Cp@omnisterra.com ({USER_FIRSTNAME} {USER_LASTNAME}) Date: Mon, 10 Mar 2003 08:45:06 -0500 Subject: [CP] apology for mass mailed photo Dear listserve members. It appears I messed up and mass mailed a jpg using a auto-mailer program Sat to all address recorded in my address book, I did stop it before it was done. I also don't understand how some of the address's were even in my address book as I have no idea who they are. Looking at the sent emails from my files the list is too long to write everyone and explain that this isn't a virus. Judging from the private response most are list serve members or from my customer data base, I apologize for this. I am sorry for this, Thankfully it wasn't some off-color photo of questionable taste, or the private business letters I was trying to send out. I am no computer guru, this is certain. Its just a S. flava picture. Sincerely, Michael Hunt St. Petersburg Florida ################### From: Cp@omnisterra.com (Cp@omnisterra.com) Date: Mon, 10 Mar 2003 10:12:50 -0500 Subject: [CP] apology for mass mailed photo Mike, It's a nice photo, though mine looks to be S. leucophylla with a caption "Preaching to the Choir", and I got three of them sent to my work address, lol. Regards, Joe Griffin Lincoln, NE USA In a message dated 3/10/2003 8:45:06 AM Eastern Standard Time, stovehouse@earthlink.net writes: > > > Dear listserve members. > > It appears I messed up and mass mailed a jpg using a auto-mailer program Sat > to all address recorded in my address book, I did stop it before it was > done. I also don't understand how some of the address's were even in my > address book as I have no idea who they are. > Looking at the sent emails from my files the list is too long to write > everyone and explain that this isn't a virus. Judging from the private > response most are list serve members or from my customer data base, I > apologize for this. > I am sorry for this, > > Thankfully it wasn't some off-color photo of questionable taste, or the > private business letters I was trying to send out. > I am no computer guru, this is certain. Its just a S. > flava picture. > > Sincerely, > > Michael Hunt > St. Petersburg Florida > > > > _______________________________________________ > Cp mailing list > Cp@omnisterra.com > http://omnisterra.com/mailman/listinfo/cp_omnisterra.com ################### From: Cp@omnisterra.com (Chris Teichreb) Date: Mon, 10 Mar 2003 07:45:25 -0800 Subject: [CP] cultivars Hi Mike, Oh, I know this topic has been brought up before and I gave my two cents worth then. While I can understand the rationale for the rules ie: name a plant before it's widely distributed and starts being called by all sorts of names, I still think it is a good idea for the ICPS to at least encourage distribution prior to naming, even if according to the rules the person can still just go ahead and name it prior to distributing. I don't know, just makes good common sense to me, at least for cp! Cheers! Chris -- Chris Teichreb http://www.geocities.com/VCPC2000 (Vancouver Carnivorous Plant Club) _________________________________________________________________ Add photos to your messages with MSN 8. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/featuredemail ################### From: Cp@omnisterra.com (Cp@omnisterra.com) Date: Mon, 10 Mar 2003 11:52:45 -0500 Subject: [CP] S. flava on Snake Wranglers" Hi All, There is a show on the National Geographic channel called "Snake Wranglers", that features various specialists catching snakes for research or whatnot. Anyway, the one a few days ago was about Eastern Diamback rattlesnakes surviving in Florida, and they showed three scenes of the guy catching them in long-leaf pine areas and you could see beautiful gold-green S. flava standing next to him and across the grassy meadows he was in. Only a plant geek could notice something like that in a quickly shown scene. Regards, Joe Griffin Lincoln, NE USA ################### From: Cp@omnisterra.com (kinyon) Date: Mon, 10 Mar 2003 10:11:59 -0800 Subject: [CP] rolling stone Hey folks, A small question for you bryophyte/CP gurus. I know sphagnum is the moss du jour for cp's, but why exactly is green moss bad news for carnivorous plants? How does it kill them? Joseph Kinyon ################### From: Cp@omnisterra.com (Cp@omnisterra.com) Date: Mon, 10 Mar 2003 13:21:09 -0500 Subject: [CP] rolling stone Joseph, I am not 100% sure, but I think the green moss is a moss that is dried and then dyed green, and therefore toxic to the more sensitive CP. It is used for decorative uses.I hope someone will correct me on that, if I am wrong. Regards, Joe Griffin Lincoln, NE USA n a message dated 3/10/2003 1:11:59 PM Eastern Standard Time, kinyon@sbcglobal.net writes: > > > Hey folks, > > > A small question for you bryophyte/CP gurus. > > > I know sphagnum is the moss du jour for cp's, but why > exactly is green moss > > bad news for carnivorous plants? How does it kill them? > > > > Joseph Kinyon > > > _______________________________________________ > Cp mailing list > Cp@omnisterra.com > http://omnisterra.com/mailman/listinfo/cp_omnisterra.com ################### From: Cp@omnisterra.com (Steve LaWarre) Date: Mon, 10 Mar 2003 13:45:31 -0500 Subject: [CP] rolling stone You are absolutely right Joe, and as an added note: Most of the "green = Moss" that you can buy for decorative purposes is striped from logs as = they are processed for lumber. These terrestrial mosses do not have the = same pH properties or the water holding capacity that LF sphagnum does. = In my experience, this type of moss product just gets rotten and stinky = when kept wet. Steve LaWarre Grand Rapids MI > -----Original Message----- > From: Killerplants@aol.com [mailto:Killerplants@aol.com] > Sent: Monday, March 10, 2003 1:21 PM > To: Cp@omnisterra.com > Subject: Re: [CP] rolling stone >=20 >=20 > Joseph, >=20 > I am not 100% sure, but I think the green moss is a moss that=20 > is dried and then dyed green, and therefore toxic to the more=20 > sensitive CP. It is used for decorative uses.I hope someone=20 > will correct me on that, if I am wrong. >=20 > Regards, >=20 > Joe Griffin > Lincoln, NE USA >=20 > n a message dated 3/10/2003 1:11:59 PM Eastern Standard Time,=20 > kinyon@sbcglobal.net writes: >=20 > >=20 > >=20 > > Hey folks, > >=20 > >=20 > > A small question for you bryophyte/CP gurus. > >=20 > >=20 > > I know sphagnum is the moss du jour for cp's, but why=20 > > exactly is green moss > >=20 > > bad news for carnivorous plants? How does it kill them? > >=20 > >=20 > >=20 > > Joseph Kinyon > >=20 > >=20 > > _______________________________________________ > > Cp mailing list > > Cp@omnisterra.com > > http://omnisterra.com/mailman/listinfo/cp_omnisterra.com=20 >=20 > _______________________________________________ > Cp mailing list > Cp@omnisterra.com > http://omnisterra.com/mailman/listinfo/cp_omnisterra.com >=20 ################### From: Cp@omnisterra.com (kinyon) Date: Mon, 10 Mar 2003 18:59:36 -0800 Subject: [CP] mime mania Sorry about the recent postings with html. Even though Outlook is checked to send as plain text only, its sending messages as html. That will teach me to ever upgrade again. Nice blocking script Rick :) Joseph Kinyon ################### From: Cp@omnisterra.com (Philippe NAMOUR) Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2003 07:44:09 +0100 Subject: [CP] pocosin and carolina bay ? Hi all Could a person explain me the difference between a pocosin and a carolina bay? It's the same thing? Thanks Philippe ################### From: Cp@omnisterra.com ({USER_FIRSTNAME} {USER_LASTNAME}) Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2003 06:27:17 -0500 Subject: [CP] pocosin and carolina bay ? its the same thing, only a different word. Pocosin is a word Native American's called the Carolina Bay. Pocosin means a swamp on a hill. Mike St. Petersburg Florida ----- Original Message ----- To: Sent: Tuesday, March 11, 2003 1:44 AM > > Hi all > > Could a person explain me the difference between a pocosin and a carolina bay? > It's the same thing? > Thanks > > > Philippe > > > _______________________________________________ > Cp mailing list > Cp@omnisterra.com > http://omnisterra.com/mailman/listinfo/cp_omnisterra.com ################### From: Cp@omnisterra.com (Jan Schlauer) Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2003 12:36:48 +0100 Subject: [CP] vft cultivars Dear Chris, > Correct me if I'm wrong, but I thought the ICPS encouraged > distribution of a plant among growers prior to naming it as a cultivar. While it is favourable that a certain stock of plants is available before a cultivar enters the trade and before it is named, it is by no way necessary (and *NOT* recommended by the ICPS!) to distribute any plants prior to naming. > By doing this, it ensures it is in cultivation and others deem it > worthy. The latter criterion is of great importance to the cp growing community but it does not have anything to do with cultivar naming or the duties of the ICPS or other ICRAs. > This avoids having all of these cultivar names for plants that > were never properly distributed, or just plain unworthy of cultivar > status in the opinion of the general cp community. The opinion of the general cp community can and should be expressed by awards of merit. This does not affect the naming of cultivars and is not governed by ICRAs. Awards (and patents or trademarks) are *mentioned* in the Register of cultivar names but they are not (and must not be) *granted* by the Registration Authority. > I can see why naming prior to distribution is preferred, as it avoid > the confusion between nicknames and true cultivar names. However, I > look through the list of recently named cultivars and rarely see half of > them on sellers or traders lists. This will probably never change (and this was never different in the past). The International Register lists *all* cultivars for which names have been established world-wide according to the rules. No nursery on earth could even hope to gather (and propagate!) a significant fraction of these. As cultivar names are being registered without regard to provenience or merit of the corresponding plants, it is highly unlikely any trade list would ever contain more than a few of these new names. There are some nurseries that list names of plants they do not actually have on stock in order to present "complete" listings of cultivars. But responsible growers should rather refer tp the International Register because only registration with the ICRA warrants a required minimum of information on the cultivars to be available. > Is there a way for a grower to secure a the right to describe a > particular cultivar without actually registering it until they have > distributed it? No. This would encourage and facilitate the distribution of ill-defined, nicknamed plant material through the horticultural trade. It is one of the purposes of registration to prevent exactly this > That way, as stated above, it would ensure it was > secure in cultivation "Secure in cultivation" is not a very well defined term. How many growers do need to have a plant for which period of time until the plant could be considered "secure in cultivation"? Irrespective of the answer to this question it would be far too many growers for far too long a time to avoid bogus name formation and distribution. > and deemed worthy by others of cultivar status. Anything on this planet is "of cultivar status" as long as a cultivar name has been established for it properly. For cultivar status it is entirely immaterial what "others deem worthy" or not. Others may and should grant awards of merit, but they are not entitled to judge cultivar status, which is exclusively defined by the ICNCP. Kind regards Jan ################### From: Cp@omnisterra.com (Jan Schlauer) Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2003 12:43:26 +0100 Subject: [CP] Re: Cultivar Publication Dear William, > I was wondering if the publication of cultivar status is restricted to > the printed media (I assume it is). Wouldn't it be wonderful if the > publication could happen in a faster fashion than allowed by > conventional printed publication? The problem of non-printed media is permanence. We have witnessed what has happened to the cp database (which contains the International Register of names of cultivated cps), and it could happen again. Even if the site was mirrored, major damage to a limited number of servers could cause the data to be inaccessible for a not predictable period of time. Printed media are distributed and published in a rather more irreversible way than electronical media. Although it is possible that a number of libraries will burn down at the same time, It is unlikely that *all* copies of CPN will vanish from the surface of this planet as long as some cp freaks will survive. > Perhaps a future consideration might be the establishment of a dedicated > web site to host photos and information regarding these cultivars - with > stipulation that the approved entries be backed up in a hard copy, and > placed appropriately in predetermined botanical libraries. Both is effected already by registration of cultivar names by the ICPS and by publishing the Register with the cp database. > If the information was burned to CD, I think this will be sensible once we will have a sufficient number of standard photographs in electronical format. Work in this direction is in progress. > If the only restriction to > this concept is the question "who will do it", I believe that there are > willing members of our community who will make this effort for the good > of all. Registration is effected already by the ICPS (the International Cultivar Registration Authority for cps). All we need is people who establish cultivar names (by publishing appropriate descriptions) and who register them with the ICPS. > I think part of the reason no one registers these plants as > cultivars is the paucity of acceptable journals for cultivar > publication. Well, a good proportion of recently bred cultivars has been described already, and the names have been registered (as published in CPN). > The ICPN could not handle a serious and concerted effort > to legitimize these common (but bogus) assignations by the CP community, > even if all were willing to fully embrace the concept. We are very well prepared to handle all such efforts (by those who accept the concept) so far. Bogus naming will probably not vanish but I think the number of people who prefer bogus to registration is decreasing. I will continue my efforts to sustain this trend. > The CPN backlog would stretch for years! Only in theory. Much of the bogus-named stuff is not well defined (so it will very probably never be described) and clearly defined cultivars can be described very easily (so the descriptions will not require much space in CPN). Calls for descriptions (we have published several ones in the past already) have never yielded unsurmountable amounts of useful submissions. So far our capacities in CPN are sufficient to satisfy all demands for cultivar descriptions. > I picture my proposal as working like this: If someone wanted to publish > a cultivar they would write the description, attach the requisite > photo(s) and email these to you. You would then assess the entry, and > if acceptable after appropriate review, forward the file with your > approval to the (change text from here) > webmaster who then 1) enters it on the site (which entry > carries a time/date stamp) and 2) backs it immediately to hard copy > (stored in a couple of different places). new text: co-editor (Barry) who then submits the text to Steve for layout. The date (of receipt) is added as soon as the manuscript is received from the author, and published together with the description in CPN. As soon as the description is published effectively (i.e. the printed matter is available to the general public), the name is established, and the name, details on its publication, description, standard, etc. are added to the International Register together with the date of registration. > Please consider and forward this concept, if you feel it has merit, to > anyone with the capacity to make decisions regarding this protocol. We are already using a very similar protocol with the important difference that we are applying a form of publication that conforms with the ICNCP. If you would like to change the text of the ICNCP to include the possibility of internet publication, please contact Piers Trehane who is collecting proposals to change the Code. > I > feel that with a speedier and more accessible vehicle of acceptable > publication, many of these plants at last could have the legitimate name > they deserve and are commonly referred to by, The name they are referred to by is not legitimate in the case of bogus names. > and we could begin > intelligent discussion about what we grow, and what we think we grow. Publishing the description is not at all the bottleneck. Most cultivar descriptions have been published within 1.5 years after submission, while many bogus names have been around for several decades. > The internet is a powerful tool of communication, I hope we can utilize > it to help bring intelligent resolution to the guessing game of "who has > which what". Printed publication and registration are the tools proposed by the ICNCP to achieve this goal. The ICPS is using the internet where appropriate and possible in this context. Kind regards Jan ################### From: Cp@omnisterra.com (Jan Schlauer) Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2003 12:43:38 +0100 Subject: [CP] CPN format & contents Dear Ivan, (RE: _Drosera_ nomenclature) > I would be happy to contribute such an article for CPN. It is sure > to receive a compromising annotation in the form of a biased and even > hostile editorial comment. It would depend on the manuscript. I doubt, however, there would be any comment if it respected the ICBN appropriately. The important point is it would probably be published in CPN. Kind regards Jan ################### From: Cp@omnisterra.com (Jan Schlauer) Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2003 12:58:20 +0100 Subject: [CP] CPN format & contents Dear Michael, > Most likely though I would deny it and try my best to be fair the CPN at > that point would lean towards cultural content over more scientific > genetic/lab work and nomenclature. I am not sure I understand what you mean here. What would you like to achieve and how? > All publications are swayed by the Editorial content and > remembered that way. > For instance the Washington Post Newspaper or New York Times may report the > news but both are known for leaning a certain direction editorially. This sounds like the old censorship debate but I know you don't mean this (because of your disclaimer). So what do you want to say here? > Jan you honestly don't feel in the not to distant future that interest could > grow with using the web for publication? This interest does no doubt exist. But so far I do not see how CPN could satisfy such a demand. There are others who are much more qualified to act here than CPN. Judging from my own workload with editing CPN, I do neither feel the necessity nor do I see the possibility to spend even more of my non-paid, volunteer, leisure time on ICPS publications. Furthermore I am probably not sufficiently trained to process materials for an online journal with the circulation and content you indicated. So the product you mentioned would quite radically differ from CPN, and it would not be justified to give it the same name. > The example of the official ICPS > site is excellent, professionally done, interesting, & maintained. It is > building nicely with expanding information. Worth a look and then another > look on a regular basis to see what's new. This seems to indicate the direction we should go. So actually it is not CPN we are talking about. > More trade and professional > publications are being made available as paid subscriptions on-line in > various formats. The information can be expanded, is more timely, and > allows for more photo opportunity over a costly printed format. I would > think, it could streamline the help & labor needed to publish a printed > Journal. Yes, indeed. > In the future I predict that many more periodicals will be only available > through the web as printing, labor, & postage continue to rise. Formats for > copying the on-line publications such as pdf will become more used by the > home computer for producing hard copies. This is probably true, and we are thinking about releasing back issues of CPN this way. But this is still a significant distance from an online journal appearing every other month. > Jan you are a very irritable sounding type of guy There are some itchy spots, indeed. So far I have, however, always tried to mention reasons together with my opinion. > and your sarcasm was noted in your demeaning reply to me. My reply was not meant to be demeaning (while some sarcasm was indeed involved). I wanted to make clear exactly what I do not consider constructive or feasible suggestions in the context of CPN. > But maybe that was because you thought I was attacking the way articles are > submitted and published I thought you wrote: "CPN is about the same size, less content as the format started with in 1979. Far less cultural content......" Please correct me if I am wrong. > which is personal Well, being one of the people responsible for editing the stuff that appears in CPN, I tend to interpret statements like the above as personal. > and I wasn't making comments regarding this past issue. OK, I see. But in this case, you should not have talked about CPN, which is quite a different pair of socks. > If I can submit something of use to the CPN I will. Barry contacted me man > months ago regarding co-writing a article with Doug Darnowski. I would > gladly write something, but in this case I didn't have the expertise needed > to pull my end of the article so I declined. The article Barry suggested is > excellent and would be extremely interesting to most readers of the CPN and > I hope it will be completed. Who should do this if not you? We do not only need the people who would read these papers. Someone must write them. There is really no alternative. > Further I am writing a article for future submission which is dreadfully > needed this is on treating fungal disease on the plants. Very good. > I suggest a regular Genus/species/cultivar column in every CPN, though done > in the past cultural data changes and even repeated information would be > welcomed. I will write on what I have long term experience growing. Very good. > Give me a list I will contact growers and ask them if they would be > interested in being a special guest writer regarding a special plant they > grow well. Hans Luhrs, Thomas Carow, Stan Lampard, Eric Partrat, Eric Green, Peter D'Amato, Bruce Lee Bednar. Some of these gentlemen have already promised to submit articles to CPN. We are waiting... > We can do some short human interest feature as well as plants on > the members of the ICPS Yes, indeed, if appropriate manuscripts were submitted. > - Hello Fernando in Brazil we would like to write a article on your > experience and a biography regarding your cp travels (human interest) Fernando is one of our most prolific regular correspondents and we will continue to publish his papers. I do not think you need to give him a starter. > - Hello Ivan Snyder how about a article for the June 2008 CPN regarding your > interest with nomenclature of Drosera? This is in press and will very likely be published earlier. > .... yes I can do this, sign me up! I volunteer today. What do you need to be signed up for? Just do it! > Please don't be such a meanie, This listserve would be half the fun without a personal reply or two. Anyway, sorry if I offended you. This was not my intention. Kind regards Jan ################### From: Cp@omnisterra.com (Chris Teichreb) Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2003 07:56:00 -0800 Subject: [CP] vft cultivars Dear Jan, While you may be a big meanie, I thank you for your thorough response to my questions and previous e-mails. I realize as far as registering cultivars, you have to follow the rules. However, I still think that people should be encouraged to distribute the cultivar in order to maintain it in cultivation and so that it can be appreciated by others. Anyway, this has been hashed over in previous postings, so I won't continue on. My views are as a cp grower and what I would like to see as a cp grower, not necessarily following the rules. On an interesting note for other cp growers, according to the rules, cultivar descriptions can be published in something as simple as your local cp club's newsletter (correct me if I'm wrong on this Jan). So, if you think that it will take too long to print in CPN, this is an option. Personally (again, personal opinion!), I would much rather publish a cultivar description in CPN as this reaches a wider audience and is a much better publication then most local club newsletters. Cheers! Chris -- Chris Teichreb http://www.geocities.com/VCPC2000 (Vancouver Carnivorous Plant Club) _________________________________________________________________ The new MSN 8: advanced junk mail protection and 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail ################### From: Cp@omnisterra.com (Philippe NAMOUR) Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2003 19:21:06 +0100 Subject: [CP] pocosin and carolina bay ? A 06:27 11/03/03 -0500, {USER_FIRSTNAME} {USER_LASTNAME} a =E9crit : >its the same thing, only a different word. > >Pocosin is a word Native American's called the Carolina Bay. Pocosin= means >a swamp on a hill. Humm ! Mike I have some doubts ! In this paragraph from US FS, it is written: "Long Lake is a blackwater Carolina Bay Lake located in the Croatan=20 National Forest. Previously owned by the United States Forest Service and= =20 now under private ownership, Long Lake is a large but shallow body with an= =20 average depth of one meter and a maximum depth of two meters. The lake is= =20 surrounded by and undisturbed pocosin swamp and managed forestland." One possible explanation would be that carolina bay is an acidic open water= =20 and pocosin a vegetalized peat bog ?? But I do not know any more for the moment Philippe Lyon, France ################### From: Cp@omnisterra.com (Chris Teichreb) Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2003 10:56:34 -0800 Subject: [CP] pocosin and carolina bay ? Philippe, >Humm ! Mike > >I have some doubts ! >In this paragraph from US FS, it is written: >"Long Lake is a blackwater Carolina Bay Lake located in the Croatan >National Forest. Previously owned by the United States Forest Service and >now under private ownership, Long Lake is a large but shallow body with an >average depth of one meter and a maximum depth of two meters. The lake is >surrounded by and undisturbed pocosin swamp and managed forestland." > Sounds like Carolina Bay is the name of the area and pocosin is a habitat type. Looking up pocosin, I got this definition from Webster's dictionary: Etymology: probably from Virginia or North Carolina Algonquian Definition: an upland swamp of the coastal plain of the southeastern U.S. Hope that helps! Chris _________________________________________________________________ Tired of spam? Get advanced junk mail protection with MSN 8. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail ################### From: Cp@omnisterra.com (Trent Meeks) Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2003 20:40:58 +0000 Subject: [CP] N. Coccinea upper traps Hi Everyone, Someone asked a few days ago if anyone has ever seen upper pitchers on N. Coccinea. Yes, I have, and yes, I have photos of them. They are elongated versions of the lowers and display all the features typical of this type of hybrid: reduced wings, not as dark in color-more spotted than solid. Usually the vine slows down once the ground shoots appear, but this one plant I staked up straight, and it grew over four feet, producing a set of large aerial traps. Hope this was helpful. Until later, Trent Meeks Boca Raton, Florida _________________________________________________________________ MSN 8 helps eliminate e-mail viruses. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/virus ################### From: Cp@omnisterra.com (Mark Todd) Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2003 16:19:03 -0500 Subject: [CP] Carolina Bays and pocosin Carolina Bays are located in Southeastern North Carolina on the costal plain. Don Schnell called the Carolina Bays mysterious structures. Here's how he described them in his book. "Supposedly named because they often contain multiple species of evergreen shrubs that are collectively called bays, these are shallow oval depressions with the ovals uniformly aligned northwest to southeast.The Carolina Bays are best appreciated from the air.They are surrounded by slightly raised ridges of sand, which are most pronounced on the southeast borders.The Carolina Bays vary in size from a few meters to several square kilometers. Several are filled with water and are the few natural lakes in the costal plains. Most are filled with peat and have a nearly impenetrable dense growth of broadleaf ericaceous evergreen shrubs. Carnivorous plants may be found at the margins of the bays, where there are some clearing The origin of the Carolina Bays is far from decided. There are many theories, including everything from takeoff locations for ancient alien spacecrafts to depressions left by whales swishing their tales when the ocean covered the area. The most likely theory seems to be that the bays are the result of meteor showers some 50,000 years ago. There do not seem to be foreign rock traces, but meteors could have been dirty ice, as so many seem to be. Savage (1982)wrote an exhaustive and readable study or the possible origins of these depressions." Here's link where you can see the Carolina Bays from the air: http://www.mapquest.com/maps/map.adp?size=big&mapdata=IFf9QlHFUAgTMBROkRlSrsZweRMcQ%2f0OM0Kh%2bjqTqR2R0hDzD86LpbZ7%2byI6MxSJJFVN2u2P83ZCynZwwW%2f%2bW4M3%2bf4XDCrJykqCDk0dpAM4169%2fXJBpMl8%2fVcCvHWccl2YWpQab%2f4DXsBsLHOcyy9pXisdHMV4X87Ocu4k%2bXo2lxHJI%2f1PL%2bJQm4sP3rxpZ7Lu1WfZ%2bviXqbmvDjs7dtncW2rUi33rMcdXhQ3rwUdq6E1oL%2brNmcx9Vs74GgsawjspC1OX8BYQKrm5KQpNuQxQJ22MFuJ0GD%2bWJ4IGfM4o%3d In this pic you can see some of the larger Carolina Bays. Notice the larger dark lake, that is Lake Waccamaw, the largest of the bays. If you look directly north you will see a series of lakes called the Bladen lakes. Here's a closer look at those: http://www.mapquest.com/maps/map.adp?mapdata=IFf9QlHFUAj%252bUbuNEiEknaxuO4udrozOZyKjY8SW8YGMCjWxTkNULhjzFeEHKiPr2JfbcBepF7Cma3z6uANTA2IvSlR2DBNkM%252bviRBE3Bj3RgFOol7IM9gab6Jj8tTT4P3nCes1LJJ0kdaVgGB27ojpfJJxBTdbVszYgc9CgqSNbShVlVWvKqrh4T7C%252bHztgDn86Nf4LOt4aQrStHxHzz0cFNzUI6O5OQ4O0txwE4PviRhUpxbJImIP3k2%252fzOvikqPUUUdgycHJwBm3DfemvEf92sm9dBEADwoOwC8AWylg%253d&click=zoom&mqmap.x=264&mqmap.y=255 You can zoom in on any of these for a closer look I know the Carolina Bays very well that is where I was born and spent most of my life. Pocosins are shrub bogs. I don't know much about them but from what I know they are bogs that are located in savannas. If I'm wrong about Pocosins I'm sure somebody here will point it out to me. Paypal is nothing but hightech common thieves. Check out their customer feedback http://www.planetfeedback.com/sharedLettersList/0,2941,101112-70-0-0-20-0-fb_date-desc,00.html Don't become another paypal victim _________________________________________________________________ Help STOP SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail ################### From: Cp@omnisterra.com (Cp@omnisterra.com) Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2003 16:31:30 -0500 Subject: [CP] Carolina Bay vs. Pocosin Phillippe -- Here is my understanding of the difference between the two terms. I am not certain that my understanding is accurate, but it fits with my own observations and relevant literature (Wildflowers of South Carolina, and other non CP-specific texts). Carolina Bays are depressions certainly, but not all are filled with water. I have seen many Bays of varying sizes that are quite dry. Others -- as you have correctly pointed out -- do fill with water. My understanding of poquosin habitat is that it is transitional between Bays (which tend to be open and often savannah-like in nature) and higher and drier terrain. Dionaea muscipula appears to favor this transitional habitat, which begins on the ridges of land surrounding the lower Bays. I hope this helps. Jay Lechtman Virginia, USA ################### From: Cp@omnisterra.com (David P Banks) Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2003 09:26:20 +1100 Subject: [CP] Grant Young As some of you already know, it is with deep regret to advise friends that Grant Young passed away yesterday evening (Monday) aged just 44. He died at home after suffering a sudden heart attack. Grant was the finest grower of Nepenthes I have seen and had a vast and diverse collection of quality carnivorous plants and orchids. His partner, Gowan, has asked me to let you know that Grant's funeral service will be held this Thursday at: North Shore Temple Emmanuel {Jewish} 28 Chatswood Ave. (off Victoria Road) Chatswood NSW Australia Thursday 13th March 2003 at 12 Noon. All of Grant & Gowan's friends are invited. ******************************************** David P. Banks Hills District Orchids 39 Carole Street, Seven Hills NSW 2147 Australia Phone (02) 9674-4720 Fax (02) 9686-3303 Editor "Australian Orchid Review" ################### From: Cp@omnisterra.com (Barry A. Rice) Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2003 15:22:40 -0800 (PST) Subject: [CP] Encouraging CPN submissions Hey Guys, Just a quick hello (when I should be working on these dang powerpoint presentations). I certainly welcome anyone's efforts at encouraging CPN submissions. Thanks for the help. I do this myself, whenever I see something interesting. Unfortunately, I think I've realized about a 5% success rate in this---lots of people say they'd be happy to write articles, but hardly anyone ever comes through on the pledges. However, if you folks are doing something cool, write it up! If you know of something cool happening, write it up! If you know of a buddy who is doing something cool, encourage them to write it up! I would also