################### From: Cp@omnisterra.com (phil sheridan) Date: Sat, 15 Feb 2003 15:05:33 -0500 Subject: [CP] Re: Catalog and Joseph Pines Updates Hi Folks: We have made updates to both our catalog and Joseph Pines page. Note we have several new offerings in the catalog. A special feature is a first day cover of Cephalotus. The cover features both a stamp and beautiful painting of Cephalotus. The first day cover was issued by the U.N. We have added a link on Joseph Pines that has maps of the preserve. We are planting more longleaf pine and are clearing more trails to several outstanding sphagnum bogs. Mark your calendar to attend the Joseph Pines Picnic on June 7 and see native Virginia Sarracenia flava in all its glory! Our web site is www.pitcherplant.org. Click on the catalog and Joseph Pines links for details. Sincerely, Phil Sheridan Director Meadowview Biological Research Station ################### From: Cp@omnisterra.com (phil sheridan) Date: Mon, 17 Feb 2003 18:27:50 -0500 Subject: [CP] Re: S. purpurea var. montana Hi Folks: As Dave Evans pointed out we have S. purpurea montana. We have a breeding program for this variety. We are raising seed from several sites and have mature plants from one site. If you are interested in obtaining this plant I would encourage you to order a seed cross from us this spring. We bag the flowers prior to openning, hand pollinate under controlled conditions, and deliver the seed to you in the fall. We charge $25.00 per cross plus $10.00 for S&H. We gurantee our crosses. Please contact me if you are interested in ordering a cross. Sincerely, Phil Sheridan Director Meadowview Biological Research Station ################### From: Cp@omnisterra.com (phil sheridan) Date: Tue, 18 Feb 2003 20:18:30 -0500 Subject: [CP] Re: Sarracenia pollination > Hi Chris: We mentioned in several of our papers in the RESEARCH section at www.pitcherplant.org (particularly the genetics papers and the AJB inbredding paper) the techniques of Sarracenia pollination and materials used. Plastic bags should not be used for Sarr. pollination for the obvious reasons you mention. We use the same material for pollination that we use for tenting our seedlings, namely drain sleeve fabric. Please read the link under Sarraracenia propagation in PROPAGATION to learn more about the material. The product is manufactured by Cariff and can be found at Home Depot. We used to use REMAY fabric for pollination but this involved cutting and stapling the material. This was fairly labor intensive. With drain sleeve faric you just cut the length you want and cover the flower, seal with twist ties attached to bamboo pole. Very straightforward, efficient, and allows air movement. Sincerely, Phil Sheridan Director Meadowview Biological Research Station > > Message: 13 > Date: Thu, 10 Apr 2003 22:02:07 -0700 > From: "J. Chris Coppick" > To: Cp@omnisterra.com > Subject: [CP] Love is in the air... > Reply-To: Cp@omnisterra.com > > Well spring is here, and life is skittles and life is beer, > and I have questions regarding these strange urges I have > to transfer pollen between my Sarracenia blooms... > > Mr. Sheridan, you have often mentioned that Meadowview covers > flowers to prevent, um, accidents, so to speak. My question is, > what sort of bags do you use? The plastic ones I'm using do not > provide for much ventilation, resulting in *lots* of humidity > (even by Virginia standards) surrounding the flowers. I'm not > sure having a soggy flower is a good thing, in this case. > (I'm trying to take the high road here. Besides, there are so > many jokes scattered about on the other road that I wouldn't > know where to begin.) > > In addition to advances in botanical prophylactic technology, does > anyone have any other tried and true Sarracenia pollination advice? > > Chris > > ################### From: Cp@omnisterra.com (phil sheridan) Date: Thu, 20 Feb 2003 00:34:14 -0500 Subject: [CP] Re: Open house and Joseph Pines Picnic Hi Folks: Just a note to remind you that we are hosting an Open House here at Meadowview on Sat. 5/17 and the Joseph Pines Preserve Picnic on Sat. June 7. The Open House includes tours of our operations center, plant sales, and plant auctions. The Open House is designed to give you an idea of what we are doing and to raise money for our non-profit. We have several plant vendors that will be selling plants at the Open House. If you are interested in setting up a booth please contact us. We continue our plantings on the Joseph Pines Preserve and have a greatly expanded trail system to all the sphagnum seeps. We will complete the planting of all our native Virginia pitcher plants next week and should have an outstanding display for you to see in June. If you want to attend either the Picnic or Open House please respond by the RSVP dates listed on our EVENTS link at www.pitcherplant.org. Sincerely, Phil Sheridan Director Meadowview Biological Research Station ################### From: Cp@omnisterra.com (phil sheridan) Date: Fri, 21 Feb 2003 20:27:42 -0500 Subject: [CP] Re: t-shirts Hi Folks: Just want to let you know we now have the Meadowview t-shirts back in stock in all sizes. You can see a picture of the shirt on our catalog at www.pitcherplant.org. Sincerely, Phil Sheridan Director Meadowview Biological Research Station ################### From: Cp@omnisterra.com (Cp@omnisterra.com) Date: Wed, 5 Mar 2003 21:35:02 EST Subject: [CP] new list-server --part1_113.1fda007a.2b980dd6_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Just sending a post to the list to make shore it is working on my end. I believe I introduced myself a while ago when I first posted to the old list but, from that point I have gained a lot of other plants to add to my grow list. I'm interested in anything I can get my hands on to grow. George McKay --part1_113.1fda007a.2b980dd6_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Just sending a post to the list to make shore it is wo= rking on my end. I believe I introduced myself a while ago when I first post= ed to the old list but, from that point I have gained a lot of other plants=20= to add to my grow list. I'm interested in anything I can get my hands on to=20= grow.

George McKay --part1_113.1fda007a.2b980dd6_boundary-- ################### From: Cp@omnisterra.com (James Aldridge) Date: Wed, 5 Mar 2003 20:50:39 -0600 Subject: [CP] Introduction Hi. I've been interested in CPs since early college visits to Texas's Big Thicket, where Utricularia, Drosera, and Sarracenia abound. My college work is all in biology, and I am a science and computer science teacher at an independent college preparatory school in Fort Worth, Texas, USA. I run an 800 ft^2 greenhouse (out in the country just west of Fort Worth) filled mostly with orchids, bromeliads, and CPs. I recently added a high pressure RO system for processing my softened well water, and I feel I can do better with both orchids and CPs now. I especially like Nepenthes spp., though I am getting rather fond of the larger Drosera (capensis, binata, regia, etc.) spp. as well. I also keep some terrestrial and epiphytic Utricularia, Mexican Puinguicula, Sarracenia, Darlingtonia, and, of course, some VFTs. Thanks for running the new list! Jim James Aldridge, PhD - Fort Worth, Texas, USA jaldr@earthlink.net - www.JamesAldridge.us ################### From: Cp@omnisterra.com (Lynda) Date: Wed, 5 Mar 2003 21:28:18 -0600 Subject: [CP] new list-server This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0055_01C2E35E.23E730A0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable HI George, Seems it's working fine. If you are interested in acquiring plants have = you tried the trading post on the discussion forum at www.petflytrap.com = ? Frequently the folks there offer seeds or plants to interested = parties.=20 Lynda Crane ----- Original Message -----=20 From: ZITMCKAY@aol.com=20 To: Cp@omnisterra.com=20 Sent: Wednesday, March 05, 2003 8:35 PM Subject: [CP] new list-server Just sending a post to the list to make shore it is working on my end. = I believe I introduced myself a while ago when I first posted to the old = list but, from that point I have gained a lot of other plants to add to = my grow list. I'm interested in anything I can get my hands on to grow. George McKay=20 ------=_NextPart_000_0055_01C2E35E.23E730A0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
HI George,
Seems it's working fine.  If you are interested = in=20 acquiring plants have you tried the trading post on the discussion = forum at=20 www.petflytrap.com ?  = Frequently=20 the folks there offer seeds or plants to interested parties. =
 
Lynda Crane
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To: Cp@omnisterra.com
Sent: Wednesday, March 05, 2003 = 8:35=20 PM
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Just sending a post to the list to make shore it = is working=20 on my end. I believe I introduced myself a while ago when I first = posted to=20 the old list but, from that point I have gained a lot of other plants = to add=20 to my grow list. I'm interested in anything I can get my hands on to=20 grow.

George McKay ------=_NextPart_000_0055_01C2E35E.23E730A0-- ################### From: Cp@omnisterra.com (Kit Halsted) Date: Wed, 5 Mar 2003 23:30:59 -0500 Subject: [CP] Re: New listserv etc At 8:23 PM -0800 3/5/03, David Ahrens wrote: <...> >Lastly, is the new list up and running ? I have already received a posting >from someone, even if it seems in a funny format. Can we use it from now ? David: It appears that both lists are operational now. Rick: Small comfort, perhaps, but the IT market in NYC hit bottom a while back & has been getting better for a few months now. Good luck! -Kit -- Kit Halsted - kit@carnivorousplants.nyc.ny.us Brooklyn, NY, USDA Zone 7a ################### From: Cp@omnisterra.com (Rick Walker) Date: Wed, 05 Mar 2003 20:42:40 -0800 Subject: [CP] The Listserv has now moved The listserv is now moved to omnisterra.com. Please send all CP correspondence to cp@omnisterra.com General information about the mailing list is at: http://omnisterra.com/mailman/listinfo/cp_omnisterra.com If you ever want to unsubscribe or change your options (eg, switch to or from digest mode, change your password, etc.), visit your subscription page by looking yourself up in the list at: http://omnisterra.com/mailman/roster/cp_omnisterra.com You can also make such adjustments via email by sending a message to: cp-request@omnisterra.com with the word `help' in the subject or body (don't include the quotes), and you will get back a message with instructions. You must know your password to change your options (including changing the password, itself) or to unsubscribe. If don't know your password, don't worry, you will receive a monthly reminder telling you what all your omnisterra.com mailing list passwords are, and how to unsubscribe or change your options. There is also a button on your options page that will email your current password to you. You may also have your password mailed to you automatically off of the Web page noted above. Best regards, -- Rick Walker walker@omnisterra.com ################### From: Cp@omnisterra.com (Malesiana Tropicals) Date: Thu, 6 Mar 2003 14:47:56 +0800 Subject: [CP] new list-server This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0005_01C2E3EF.665AF0C0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Dear Goerge, I am slightly confused by your email, what are you referring to below. Kind regards, Lisa -- Malesiana Tropicals Sdn. Bhd. 1st Floor, Lot 4909, Sect. 64 KTLD, Upland Shop House, Jln. Upland 93300 Kuching, Sarawak, Malaysia Phone: [int'l prefix]+(6082) 419-290 Fax: [int'l prefix]+(6082) 423-494 http://www.malesiana.tropicals.com.my -----Original Message----- Of ZITMCKAY@aol.com Sent: 06 March 2003 10:35 To: Cp@omnisterra.com Just sending a post to the list to make shore it is working on my end. I believe I introduced myself a while ago when I first posted to the old list but, from that point I have gained a lot of other plants to add to my grow list. I'm interested in anything I can get my hands on to grow. George McKay ------=_NextPart_000_0005_01C2E3EF.665AF0C0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message
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I am=20 slightly confused by your email, what are you referring to=20 below.
 
Kind=20 regards,
 
Lisa
 
 

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Phone: [int'l prefix]+(6082) 419-290
Fax: [int'l = prefix]+(6082)=20 423-494 http://www.malesiana.trop= icals.com.my

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-----Original Message-----
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Just sending a post to the = list to make=20 shore it is working on my end. I believe I introduced myself a while = ago when=20 I first posted to the old list but, from that point I have gained a = lot of=20 other plants to add to my grow list. I'm interested in anything I can = get my=20 hands on to grow.

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------=_NextPart_000_0005_01C2E3EF.665AF0C0-- ################### From: Cp@omnisterra.com (Steven Stewart) Date: Thu, 6 Mar 2003 16:17:05 -0500 Subject: [CP] Re: Nepenthes pitchers > Is position on the stem the only determinate of whether a lower or upper pitcher will be prodiced? > > Wayne Hello Wayne, No and yes. A Nepenthes can put out a growth point high up on an existing stem and start producing lower pitchers. (above a point where upper pitchers have been formed) The new growth point will form lower pitchers at the bottom of the "new" stem. (the original stem is now potentially a rhizome) There is probably someone on the list that can state this more correctly, but I hope this helps. Take care, Steven Stewart Florida, USA ################### From: Cp@omnisterra.com (Georg J. Stach) Date: Thu, 6 Mar 2003 22:31:05 +0100 Subject: [CP] Listserv and solutions Dear Rick, Dear mailinglist readers, Only two weeks ago I read about Agilent's downsizing and had to think of you (Rick) and the CP database. Now that you've been laid off, I wonder that you don't have other sorrows than this mailing list! In these difficult times I wish you to find a new job as soon as possible! ~ ~ ~ Rick's ANNOUNCEMENT was pretty humble, so I really feel urged to add some points: Firstly, it is not only the mailing list but also the CP database which are provided by Agilent Labs. Also the database has to find a new home. You'll say this won't be a problem, just get a new domain, and webspace doesn't cost much, BUT! you don't know the outlay which are behind such a project like the CP database. It isn't sufficient to find some low-cost provider, because one needs direct access to the server in order to maintain the database and the services running on it. You may be disappointed of hearing this, but services as mentioned above start from 50$ upwards. Neat pocket money, huh? ;) The same thing applies to the mailing list. This is not just one mailing list but a list with over 2000 members (as Rick told us). And everything in this dimensions costs money. During receiving, composing and sending separate mails and the mailing list, the mail server is heavily loaded, this means it is not available for other tasks, furthermore it requires high loads of bandwidth which is an enormous -- cost-intensive -- factor. And you really think we just can move to Yahoo because it's free? NO! Free services are fine as long as they are running, but you don't have any guarantee how long they will do so. And I can really do without ads. Aside from the fact that we still didn't have a new location for the CP database, Yahoo requires each and every member to subscribe from new. My suggestion for a solution: ------------------------------ It is unacceptable to have Rick pay these cost-intensive services, so the mailing list and the CP database should be integrated as additional services of the ICPS. As such, the ICPS could pay the fees for the webservices. It would be smart to host www.carnivorousplants.org on the same server of the mailing list and the CP database to reduce running costs. We must keep in mind that it is _very_ (time)expensive to run and maintain these web-services and that it requires much knowledge. We are in Rick's debt to pay at least the accruing costs. In my opinion, this can be best done by moving the services into the scope of the ICPS. Then it's up to the ICPS whether only members but also other CP enthusiasts can subscribe to the list. If this "solution" should turn out as unfeasible, I'll have to unsubscribe from the list. In any case, Rick shouldn't pay a penny for the mailing list: He has made enough assiduous efforts for us. Georg J. Stach German Carnivorous Plants Society www.carnivoren.org Community: http://links.carnivoren.org/?p=10 ################### From: Cp@omnisterra.com (Jeff Lehmann) Date: Thu, 06 Mar 2003 17:07:50 -0600 Subject: [CP] unsubcribe This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --Boundary_(ID_VZrwYo1xUJf9sW2vmcQ2Zg) Content-type: text/plain; charset=Windows-1252 Content-transfer-encoding: QUOTED-PRINTABLE I do not understand the unsubscribe method. I do not remember any pas= sword and I do not know what an =93address=94 field is. Thanks --Boundary_(ID_VZrwYo1xUJf9sW2vmcQ2Zg) Content-type: text/html; charset=Windows-1252 Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable

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--Boundary_(ID_VZrwYo1xUJf9sW2vmcQ2Zg)-- ################### From: Cp@omnisterra.com (Mark Todd) Date: Thu, 06 Mar 2003 20:45:25 -0500 Subject: [CP] Possible solution for funding the new listserv I've enjoyed this list for a couple of years. I think I have an idea that might be the easiest for everybody. If we take the cost of the new listserv and divide it by the number of members, it would cover the cost and would be very little money. I don't know the numbers but I think I read that the listserv is about $50 a month. There are about 1000 members. If these estimates are correct that would come out to $.05 a month for every member. That's $.60 a year. I understand there may be currency difference so it may be that only the people in the USA can support the listserv. I don't know how much that will add to the numbers above, but I think it will still be a very small amount. If we all send $1 That will more than cover the listserv and can help cover the cp data base too. Another idea, If all the cp societies could add a voluntary donation for the listserv to their memberships. That way nobody pays twice and nobody pays for something that they don't use. The cp societies will have no interest in the listserv since since it would be donations. The societies main interest should be preservation of plants and getting new members. The best way to keep people interested is to show them how to grow the plants properly. I have learned so much from the people here. This listserv is one of the best things to get people to keep interest in these plants by showing them how to successfully grow them. So I think this list benefits all the cp societies. Let me know what everybody else thinks about this. Mark PS If we all send one dollar for this listserv, who wants to send Michael P. his notice for payment? Paypal is nothing but hightech common thieves. Check out their customer feedback http://www.planetfeedback.com/sharedLettersList/0,2941,101112-70-0-0-20-0-fb_date-desc,00.html Don't become another paypal victim _________________________________________________________________ MSN 8 helps eliminate e-mail viruses. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/virus ################### From: Cp@omnisterra.com ({USER_FIRSTNAME} {USER_LASTNAME}) Date: Thu, 6 Mar 2003 23:08:01 -0500 Subject: [CP] Possible solution for funding the new listserv Put the listserve on the ICPS website and change it to a bulletin board format. There isn't anything that bad here that warrants a moderated group, current warnings regarding the list serve on the ICPS website could apply. This would allow for easy scrolling of post that someone may want to view and others they can avoid. Much easier that way for Herman in Germany to avoid the squirrel post yearly. He can scroll over the post without getting them in his mailbox. I offer the further suggestion to consider is making CPN available as a bi-monthly web magazine in addition to the quarterly with enhanced photos,, and cultural information. It is time for this. I think there would be a increase in subscriptions world wide for the International Society and the cost would likely be less for a web based publication than the printed material as well we could offer a more diverse format to new members with many more photos. I feel there would be stronger worldwide memberships and increased articles for publication. As for the short continue with a printed quarterly, while investigating the interest in a web paid subscription. Lets jump into the 21st century. CPN is about the same size, less content as the format started with in 1979. Far less cultural content...... Mike' St. Petersburg Florida ----- Original Message ----- To: Cc: Sent: Thursday, March 06, 2003 8:45 PM > > > I've enjoyed this list for a couple of years. I think I have an idea that > might be the easiest for everybody. > If we take the cost of the new listserv and divide it by the number of > members, it would cover the cost and would be very little money. I don't > know the numbers but I think I read that the listserv is about $50 a month. > There are about 1000 members. If these estimates are correct that would come > out to $.05 a month for every member. That's $.60 a year. I understand there > may be currency difference so it may be that only the people in the USA can > support the listserv. I don't know how much that will add to the numbers > above, but I think it will still be a very small amount. If we all send $1 > That will more than cover the listserv and can help cover the cp data base > too. > Another idea, If all the cp societies could add a voluntary donation for the > listserv to their memberships. That way nobody pays twice and nobody pays > for something that they don't use. The cp societies will have no interest in > the listserv since since it would be donations. The societies main interest > should be preservation of plants and getting new members. The best way to > keep people interested is to show them how to grow the plants properly. I > have learned so much from the people here. This listserv is one of the best > things to get people to keep interest in these plants by showing them how to > successfully grow them. So I think this list benefits all the cp societies. > Let me know what everybody else thinks about this. > Mark > PS If we all send one dollar for this listserv, who wants to send Michael P. > his notice for payment? > > Paypal is nothing but hightech common thieves. > Check out their customer feedback > > http://www.planetfeedback.com/sharedLettersList/0,2941,101112-70-0-0-20-0-fb _date-desc,00.html > > Don't become another paypal victim > > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > MSN 8 helps eliminate e-mail viruses. Get 2 months FREE*. > http://join.msn.com/?page=features/virus > > > _______________________________________________ > Cp mailing list > Cp@omnisterra.com > http://omnisterra.com/mailman/listinfo/cp_omnisterra.com ################### From: Cp@omnisterra.com ({USER_FIRSTNAME} {USER_LASTNAME}) Date: Thu, 6 Mar 2003 23:22:13 -0500 Subject: [CP] Possible solution for funding the new listserv Hey I just sent this post and it came back to me like a darn boomerang whacking me in the head. What's up with this weird stuff in the twilight of the March 6, am I on the ghost ship?? ----- Original Message ----- To: Sent: Thursday, March 06, 2003 11:08 PM > Put the listserve on the ICPS website and change it to a bulletin board > format. > There isn't anything that bad here that warrants a moderated group, current > warnings regarding the list serve on the ICPS website could apply. > This would allow for easy scrolling of post that someone may want to view > and others they can avoid. Much easier that way for Herman in Germany to > avoid the squirrel post yearly. He can scroll over the post without getting > them in his mailbox. > > I offer the further suggestion to consider is making CPN available as a > bi-monthly web magazine in addition to the quarterly with enhanced photos,, > and cultural information. It is time for this. I think there would be a > increase in subscriptions world wide for the International Society and the > cost would likely be less for a web based publication than the printed > material as well we could offer a more diverse format to new members with > many more photos. I feel there would be stronger worldwide memberships and > increased articles for publication. As for the short continue with a > printed quarterly, while investigating the interest in a web paid > subscription. > > Lets jump into the 21st century. CPN is about the same size, less content > as the format started with in 1979. Far less cultural content...... > > Mike' > St. Petersburg Florida > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Mark Todd" > To: > Cc: > Sent: Thursday, March 06, 2003 8:45 PM > Subject: [CP] Possible solution for funding the new listserv > > > > > > > > I've enjoyed this list for a couple of years. I think I have an idea that > > might be the easiest for everybody. > > If we take the cost of the new listserv and divide it by the number of > > members, it would cover the cost and would be very little money. I don't > > know the numbers but I think I read that the listserv is about $50 a > month. > > There are about 1000 members. If these estimates are correct that would > come > > out to $.05 a month for every member. That's $.60 a year. I understand > there > > may be currency difference so it may be that only the people in the USA > can > > support the listserv. I don't know how much that will add to the numbers > > above, but I think it will still be a very small amount. If we all send $1 > > That will more than cover the listserv and can help cover the cp data base > > too. > > Another idea, If all the cp societies could add a voluntary donation for > the > > listserv to their memberships. That way nobody pays twice and nobody pays > > for something that they don't use. The cp societies will have no interest > in > > the listserv since since it would be donations. The societies main > interest > > should be preservation of plants and getting new members. The best way to > > keep people interested is to show them how to grow the plants properly. I > > have learned so much from the people here. This listserv is one of the > best > > things to get people to keep interest in these plants by showing them how > to > > successfully grow them. So I think this list benefits all the cp > societies. > > Let me know what everybody else thinks about this. > > Mark > > PS If we all send one dollar for this listserv, who wants to send Michael > P. > > his notice for payment? > > > > Paypal is nothing but hightech common thieves. > > Check out their customer feedback > > > > > http://www.planetfeedback.com/sharedLettersList/0,2941,101112-70-0-0-20-0-fb > _date-desc,00.html > > > > Don't become another paypal victim > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > > MSN 8 helps eliminate e-mail viruses. Get 2 months FREE*. > > http://join.msn.com/?page=features/virus > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Cp mailing list > > Cp@omnisterra.com > > http://omnisterra.com/mailman/listinfo/cp_omnisterra.com > > > _______________________________________________ > Cp mailing list > Cp@omnisterra.com > http://omnisterra.com/mailman/listinfo/cp_omnisterra.com ################### From: Cp@omnisterra.com (Jan Schlauer) Date: Fri, 07 Mar 2003 09:48:14 +0100 Subject: [CP] CPN format & contents Dear Mike, > I offer the further suggestion to consider is making CPN available as a > bi-monthly web magazine in addition to the quarterly with enhanced photos,, > and cultural information. I offer the suggestion you become the editor (and supposedly also the primary or even the sole author) of this new format that should not be called CPN in order to avoid confusion with the real thing. > I think there would be a > increase in subscriptions world wide for the International Society and the > cost would likely be less for a web based publication than the printed > material as well we could offer a more diverse format to new members with > many more photos. > I feel there would be stronger worldwide memberships and > increased articles for publication. There is no reason to make me feel the same way. > As for the short continue with a printed quarterly, We will do so (not just for the short but for our entire readership). > while investigating the interest in a web paid subscription. Please feel free to do this yourself. > Lets jump into the 21st century. We are there already. Hurry up and join us! > CPN is about the same size, less content > as the format started with in 1979. Far less cultural content...... Facts, please! After I had posted a short summary on recent contents in CPN, all discussions on our publishing policy have come to silence for almost a year (until you revived this essentially void thread by your recent message). Anyway, thanks in advance for any useful suggestions, and especially for suitable manuscript submissions! Kind regards Jan (CPN co-editor) ################### From: Cp@omnisterra.com (Jan Schlauer) Date: Fri, 07 Mar 2003 11:42:58 +0100 Subject: [CP] vft cultivars Dear all, VFTs without established cultivar names are grown under the "nicknames" "Cup Trap" and "Pom Pom", respectively. Perhaps it is little known that once the originator of a plant has knowingly distributed it (by sale, gift, exchange, etc.), he/she does not even need to be informed about the fact that the plant is being described, and the originator does not need to agree with anything (name, establishment, registration) whatsoever: ICNCP Art. 22.6: "A new cultivar epithet is not established if its publication is against the expressed wish of its originator or his assignee, unless the originator or his assignee had knowingly distributed that cultivar without a proposed cultivar epithet." This means *anyone* who does have the plant is actually entitled to describe it and to coin a cultivar name to his/her liking. This might sound unfair because it neglects what might be regarded the rights and wishes of the originator but it must not be forgotten that it is exclusively the originator's choice whether he/she wants to distribute the plants before they are named properly or not. If the originator distributes plants previous to establishment of a cultivar name, all rights (of the originator) regarding the name are void. If someone on this list does grow one or both of the above mentioned plants, please consider describing them in a publication (e.g. in CPN or any other journal read by cp growers) in order to establish cultivar names for them. If this has been done already (and I have just not noticed it), please inform me about any pertinent publication. If you have any questions regarding cp cultivar naming or description, please feel free to ask me (here or by private email: jan.schlauer@uni-tuebingen.de). Thank you very much for your help. Kind regards Jan (ICPS, International Registrar) ################### From: Cp@omnisterra.com (Karl-Heinz Tessner) Date: 07 Mar 2003 13:38 GMT Subject: [CP] (no subject) --=20 Karl-Heinz Tessner Ulbarger Strasse 22 26629 Timmel Deutschland / Germany ################### From: Cp@omnisterra.com (Chris Teichreb) Date: Fri, 07 Mar 2003 07:56:12 -0800 Subject: [CP] vft cultivars Hello Jan, >This means *anyone* who does have the plant is actually entitled to >describe it and to coin a cultivar name to his/her liking. This might sound >unfair because it neglects what might be regarded the rights and wishes of >the originator but it must not be forgotten that it is exclusively the >originator's choice whether he/she wants to distribute the plants before >they are named properly or not. If the originator distributes plants >previous to establishment of a cultivar name, all rights (of the >originator) regarding the name are void. > Correct me if I'm wrong, but I thought the ICPS encouraged distribution of a plant among growers prior to naming it as a cultivar. By doing this, it ensures it is in cultivation and others deem it worthy. This avoids having all of these cultivar names for plants that were never properly distributed, or just plain unworthy of cultivar status in the opinion of the general cp community. I can see why naming prior to distribution is preferred, as it avoid the confusion between nicknames and true cultivar names. However, I look through the list of recently named cultivars and rarely see half of them on sellers or traders lists. Is there a way for a grower to secure a the right to describe a particular cultivar without actually registering it until they have distributed it? That way, as stated above, it would ensure it was secure in cultivation and deemed worthy by others of cultivar status. Cheers! Chris _________________________________________________________________ Protect your PC - get McAfee.com VirusScan Online http://clinic.mcafee.com/clinic/ibuy/campaign.asp?cid=3963 ################### From: Cp@omnisterra.com (Rollins) Date: Fri, 7 Mar 2003 11:37:03 -0800 Subject: [CP] Electronic NewsLetter Electronic News Letter? Not for me. I like to hold the thing in my hands and pick it up and read it 10 , 20 years from now. Mainly, this was to see if I could get a message posted to the new list serv. James A. Rollins [mailto:willows@rose.net] ################### From: Cp@omnisterra.com ({USER_FIRSTNAME} {USER_LASTNAME}) Date: Fri, 7 Mar 2003 12:02:53 -0500 Subject: [CP] CPN format & contents Dear Jan, Please calm down, I was making no personal reference to the job you were doing or the quality of the publication. The suggestions were just that for consideration into the future. It is very clear how articles get published in CPN thanks to you and that wasn't what I was bringing up. If no one submits articles, nothing can be printed. Content wasn't the message, if I wasn't clear I am sorry for that. My mistake was I meant "we" are in (and yes I am a member Jan so I will continue to make suggestions rather you like it or not - I pay my dues and have been around since the beginning) the same format since March of 1978 (not 1979), the first year the change was made from the stapled newsletter from the mid 70's start up. I doubt I have the skills needed to be a Editor, but I could give it a try. Most likely though I would deny it and try my best to be fair the CPN at that point would lean towards cultural content over more scientific genetic/lab work and nomenclature. This is simply because that's what interest me more. All publications are swayed by the Editorial content and remembered that way. For instance the Washington Post Newspaper or New York Times may report the news but both are known for leaning a certain direction editorially. If I could be of any help, sign me up, but I won't lick stamps !!! Jan you honestly don't feel in the not to distant future that interest could grow with using the web for publication? The example of the official ICPS site is excellent, professionally done, interesting, & maintained. It is building nicely with expanding information. Worth a look and then another look on a regular basis to see what's new. More trade and professional publications are being made available as paid subscriptions on-line in various formats. The information can be expanded, is more timely, and allows for more photo opportunity over a costly printed format. I would think, it could streamline the help & labor needed to publish a printed Journal. It allows for more experimentation to see what works and what may not. It allows millions worldwide to sit in their homes to discover things they may never have found or had access to by past conventional means. It is a excellent resource for marketing when used carefully. The major drawback is that sitting at a computer screen isn't the same as having a hard copy in your hands and the freedom to look at it at ones leisure. This is a major drawback. You can find that on-line catalogs for mail order stores may be better detailed than a printed catalog but request for a hard copy of a catalog still are very high. In the future I predict that many more periodicals will be only available through the web as printing, labor, & postage continue to rise. Formats for copying the on-line publications such as pdf will become more used by the home computer for producing hard copies. Jan you are a very irritable sounding type of guy , and your sarcasm was noted in your demeaning reply to me. One word sums it up "Grump" (I bet you say I come off as some kind of nut case, well you are not far from the truth). But maybe that was because you thought I was attacking the way articles are submitted and published which is personal and I wasn't making comments regarding this past issue. You ask in your reply so here are some suggestions,........................ If I can submit something of use to the CPN I will. Barry contacted me man months ago regarding co-writing a article with Doug Darnowski. I would gladly write something, but in this case I didn't have the expertise needed to pull my end of the article so I declined. The article Barry suggested is excellent and would be extremely interesting to most readers of the CPN and I hope it will be completed. Further I am writing a article for future submission which is dreadfully needed this is on treating fungal disease on the plants. It is simply astounding to me that this most common killer of moist, warm, humid growing cp has not been gone into with any general information let alone detail in publications to this date. This will take sometime as I get the facts right and gather general data. More cp die off in collections due to fungal disease than anything else, regardless of the cause this is the killer of plants we grow. I suggest a regular Genus/species/cultivar column in every CPN, though done in the past cultural data changes and even repeated information would be welcomed. I will write on what I have long term experience growing. Give me a list I will contact growers and ask them if they would be interested in being a special guest writer regarding a special plant they grow well. We can do some short human interest feature as well as plants on the members of the ICPS - Hello Charles Brewer we would like you to write a article on your experiences with growing Cephalotus - Hello Fernando in Brazil we would like to write a article on your experience and a biography regarding your cp travels (human interest) - Hello Philip Sheridan we would like to run a article on your operation with photos and a bio of you -Hello Mike King CPN would be grateful if you would consider writing a article on how you grow such fine Sarracenia in England . -Hello Dean Cook we would like to do a article with photos of your favorite plants and notes how you grow them in the Pacific NW. - Hello Ivan Snyder how about a article for the June 2008 CPN regarding your interest with nomenclature of Drosera? - Hey Big Ed Munn you can grow those D. schrizandra like no one I have ever seen how about a article on growing these in a terrarium set in your living room for the CPN (most people don't have greenhouse's and these type of articles are important). .... yes I can do this, sign me up! I volunteer today. Well those are my facts for you and I am sticking with them. Please don't be such a meanie, Regards, Mike St. Petersburg Florida ################### From: Cp@omnisterra.com (TamlinD Dawnstar) Date: Fri, 7 Mar 2003 09:04:03 -0800 (PST) Subject: [CP] Re: Cultivar Publication --0-953637059-1047056643=:10422 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Dear Jan, I was wondering if the publication of cultivar status is restricted to the printed media (I assume it is). Wouldn't it be wonderful if the publication could happen in a faster fashion than allowed by conventional printed publication? Perhaps a future consideration might be the establishment of a dedicated web site to host photos and information regarding these cultivars - with stipulation that the approved entries be backed up in a hard copy, and placed appropriately in predetermined botanical libraries. If the information was burned to CD, these are easily copied and can be made as readily accessible as printed media. I envision a yearly updated CD containing all new entries, much like an annual Journal publication, distributed to the libraries, along with a conventional annual printing of the same material (needed since electronic recording media changes over time). Since this is under ICPS auspicies, the cost could and should be underwritten by society members, and the ICPN could publish the address of the website prominently, thereby affording its members (and incidently, the rest of the world) a readily accessible cultivar data base. Such a dedicated web site could contain contact information of the originator of the cultivar, photos, advice. If the only restriction to this concept is the question "who will do it", I believe that there are willing members of our community who will make this effort for the good of all. I think part of the reason no one registers these plants as cultivars is the paucity of acceptable journals for cultivar publication. The ICPN could not handle a serious and concerted effort to legitimize these common (but bogus) assignations by the CP community, even if all were willing to fully embrace the concept. The CPN backlog would stretch for years! I picture my proposal as working like this: If someone wanted to publish a cultivar they would write the description, attach the requisite photo(s) and email these to you. You would then assess the entry, and if acceptable after appropriate review, forward the file with your approval to the webmaster who then 1) enters it on the site (which entry carries a time/date stamp) and 2) backs it immediately to hard copy (stored in a couple of different places). Please consider and forward this concept, if you feel it has merit, to anyone with the capacity to make decisions regarding this protocol. I feel that with a speedier and more accessible vehicle of acceptable publication, many of these plants at last could have the legitimate name they deserve and are commonly referred to by, and we could begin intelligent discussion about what we grow, and what we think we grow. The internet is a powerful tool of communication, I hope we can utilize it to help bring intelligent resolution to the guessing game of "who has which what". In closing, I wish to express my personal admiration for Rick Walker's work, ethics, and focus. Hats off to you my man! Yours, William Dawnstar --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - forms, calculators, tips, and more --0-953637059-1047056643=:10422 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii


Dear Jan,

I was wondering if the publication of cultivar status is restricted to the printed media (I assume it is).  Wouldn't it be wonderful if the publication could happen in a faster fashion than allowed by conventional printed publication?

Perhaps a future consideration might be the establishment of a dedicated web site to host photos and information regarding these cultivars - with stipulation that the approved entries be backed up in a hard copy, and placed appropriately in predetermined botanical libraries.  If the information was burned to CD, these are easily copied and can be made as readily accessible as printed media.  I envision a yearly updated CD containing all new entries, much like an annual Journal publication, distributed to the libraries, along with a conventional annual printing of the same material (needed since electronic recording media changes over time).  Since this is under ICPS auspicies, the cost could and should be underwritten by society members, and the ICPN could publish the address of the website prominently, thereby affording its members (and incidently, the rest of the world) a readily accessible cultivar data base. 

Such a dedicated web site could contain contact information of the originator of the cultivar, photos, advice.  If the only restriction to this concept is the question "who will do it", I believe that there are willing members of our community who will make this effort for the good of all.

I think part of the reason no one registers these plants as cultivars is the paucity of acceptable journals for cultivar publication.  The ICPN could not handle a serious and concerted effort to legitimize these common (but bogus) assignations by the CP community, even if all were willing to fully embrace the concept.  The CPN backlog would stretch for years!

I picture my proposal as working like this: If someone wanted to publish a cultivar they would write the description, attach the requisite photo(s) and email these to you.  You would then assess the entry, and if acceptable after appropriate review, forward the file with your approval to the webmaster who then 1) enters it on the site (which entry carries a time/date stamp) and 2) backs it immediately to hard copy (stored in a couple of different places). 

Please consider and forward this concept, if you feel it has merit, to anyone with the capacity to make decisions regarding this protocol.  I feel that with a speedier and more accessible vehicle of acceptable publication, many of these plants at last could have the legitimate name they deserve and are commonly referred to by, and we could begin intelligent discussion about what we grow, and what we think we grow.  The internet is a powerful tool of communication, I hope we can utilize it to help bring intelligent resolution to the guessing game of "who has which what".

 

In closing, I wish to express my personal admiration for Rick Walker's work, ethics, and focus.  Hats off to you my man!

Yours,

William Dawnstar


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Yahoo! Tax Center - forms, calculators, tips, and more --0-953637059-1047056643=:10422-- ################### From: Cp@omnisterra.com (Cp@omnisterra.com) Date: Fri, 07 Mar 2003 12:27:09 -0500 Subject: [CP] CPN format & contents Mike, That was very well worded and very well written. Who wrote it for you? HAHAHAHA_cough, cough.... Really, very well put. I understand as well, you can only print what you have. I would love to see every issue have some kind of cultivation article as well(I even have a dormant BS in Biology and care more for cultivation articles), whether it be "how to grow" or a cultivar announcement. I have heard of Ed Munn, but never what he grows. I would love a private e-mail on how to grow giant D. schizandra, if he does not want to submit an article. That sounds like a winner. Scientific articles belong too, and I love it when Andreas Wistuba presents a new species in CPN. It's the perfect place for papers like that. I would like to see CPN printed as it is. The reason being, I like to have something to hold and read that looks nice, and there are a few members out there that might not have a computer. Computers really open up the hobby and I don't have to glumly wait for CPN in my mailbox to get nourishment like I did years ago. I think Peter Thiel has a e-mag on cp that you can get to from the web-ring, so we can have a online publication and a published manual. Anyhow good feedback is nice to do once in a while. Regards, Joe Griffin Lincoln, NE USA ################### From: Cp@omnisterra.com (Cp@omnisterra.com) Date: Fri, 07 Mar 2003 12:47:30 -0500 Subject: [CP] Re: Nepenthes pitchers Wayne, As Steven pointed out, the answer to the casual query is yes; in general terms, the position on the stem is a determinant of pitcher type. However, I've often found examples in the wild and in cultivation of plants clearly violating this trend. Its occurrence is commensurate with those traits that are commonly associated with apical dominance in other genera, or as is the case here, a lack of it. If you are looking for overkill, read on; apical dominance is the inhibition of axillary bud germination (through plant growth regulator production) by the primary shoot. To simplify grossly, a balance is struck between those phytoregulators produced by the roots, cytokinins, and those produced by the tissues flanking the apical meristem, auxins, setting up a chemical gradient along the length of the plant. As you might know cytokinins such as BAP, are added to in vitro cultures to stimulate shoot multiplication - well of course, they do the very same thing in planta. This is why your Nepenthes specimen invariably produces basal offshoots once its climbing stem has torn through the top of your house and decimated the neighbourhood sparrow population; the cytokinin:auxin ratio at the base of the plant is raised, with the excess cytokinin causing shoot proliferation to occur. Does this answer your question? Well, no, it doesn't, but it introduces a concept that is key to understanding how what you described is so readily observable under certain circumstances; apical dominance can be reduced through excessive leggy growth, by cutting off the top of the plant, and even by lowering the primary growth to a level lower than the remainder of the plant. The latter point is very often a cause of the development of traits associated with the basal parts of plants in atypical positions, and is used extensively in horticulture (horizontal layering, spalier-style growing of fruit trees to increase production &c.). An easy demo is to take a cutting of growth producing upper pitchers; they very often revert to lower or intermediate pitcher production for a time following rooting, before zipping back to upper pitcher production relatively quickly. This happens because the growth of roots causes cytokinin production, lowering the local cytokinin:auxin ratio. This state of affairs doesn't last very long, since the internodal distance of such cuttings is fairly large from the outset, and quickly brings on a reduction in apical dominance with each leaf produced. Whew. We can take this offlist if I've managed to confuse. I'm setting up a forum for Nepenthes (forum.happenchance.com) anyhow, and since the current population is zero, I'd welcome such discussion, though I haven't yet had time enough off from the lab to populate the forum categories. Any input welcome. Best wishes, Alastair ---------------------------------- Alastair Robinson Institute of Biotechnology University of Cambridge Tennis Court Road Cambridge CB2 1QT UK Tel: +44 (1223) 334165 Fax: +44 (1223) 334162 ################### From: Cp@omnisterra.com (Cp@omnisterra.com) Date: Fri, 7 Mar 2003 12:55:16 EST Subject: [CP] Nepenthes Ventricosa --part1_f9.2a9ed2e5.2b9a3704_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable What were to happen if a Nepenthes Ventricosa was accidently broken in half?= =A0=20 i.e. some leaves left on the root section and the top half with a few=20 leaves.=A0 Is there any way to save both parts?=A0 How fast would growth be=20= for=20 either half? Not to worry, my N. ventricosa's are safe and sound=A0 :o) Also, how "tall" will a N. ventricosa grow?=A0 I've only got a couple of bab= ies=20 right now, one with 4" long lives and the other with 3" long leaves.=A0 They= =20 are doing great on my windowsill.=A0 Got a 10 inch long leaf N. ventricosa=20 coming in the mail as soon as the shipping weather improves=A0 :o) Oh yes and one more question, I'm planning on putting all of my N. ventricos= a=20 into one large hanging basket, I'd like to gow one or two more nepenthes as=20 well in the same hanging basket, what other Nepenthes could you recommend=20 with similar needs of N. ventrcosa that would thrive in a windowsill=20 condition? I've read the books, but I'd like to have some personal insight=20 into this as well. Thanks a bunch, as always, everyone on this list has=20 fabulous insight and view points! Christine & Lucy the Giant Schnauzer Isle Of L= ucy Great Minds think alike, but Giant Minds think for themselves. --part1_f9.2a9ed2e5.2b9a3704_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable What were to happen if a Nepenthes Ventricosa was acci= dently broken in half?=A0 i.e. some leaves left on the root section and the=20= top half with a few leaves.=A0 Is there any way to save both parts?=A0 How f= ast would growth be for either half?

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Also, how "tall" will a N. ventricosa grow?=A0 I've only got a couple of bab= ies right now, one with 4" long lives and the other with 3" long leaves.=A0=20= They are doing great on my windowsill.=A0 Got a 10 inch long leaf N. ventric= osa coming in the mail as soon as the shipping weather improves=A0 :o)

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--part1_f9.2a9ed2e5.2b9a3704_boundary-- ################### From: Cp@omnisterra.com (wouter) Date: Sat, 08 Mar 2003 16:54:45 +0100 Subject: [CP] Trip to Carniflora Hi fellow Cp'ers, A few weeks ago I mentioned about a dutch nursery Carniflora in Holland. Saturday 24th of May I orginise a trip to this nursery. I want to invite everyone to come to this commercial nursery. There will be many members of the Dutch, Belgium and German Cp society. And even a few from the UK. This nursery is easilly to reach by carr or by train and is very close to Schiphol, Amsterdam Airport. They grow some nice Sarracenia hybrids like S. excellens, but also Byblis liniflora, Darlingtonia and Drosera regia. I have many pictures of this nursery, so feel free to ask. I can also send you a map of the area where Carniflora is located, so you can find your way to Carniflora. Look on their website www.carniflora.nl/dutch The prices are very cheap! They grow most of the plants in 12 or 8 cm pots. Most of the Sarraccenia in 8 cm pots are 1,25 Euro p.p. The larger plants in 12 pots are 3,50 Euro p.p. Feel free to ask information about the trip! Take care, Wouter Noordeloos Carnivora ################### From: Cp@omnisterra.com (Barry A. Rice) Date: Sat, 8 Mar 2003 15:59:50 -0800 (PST) Subject: [CP] ICPS and the CP listserve Hey Folks, Just a virtual appearance between business trips.. What a drag that the CP listserve is having to change. It is too bad when something that is working well has to be messed with. I'm not a board member of the ICPS, so my opinions have no more strength than anyone else's on this listserve, but here are my few cents.... 1)I don't like yahoo groups. In my experience, "free services" are not around for very long. Also, I don't trust companies like Yahoo to be invested in notions of the public good. They are motivated by profit. So I would not trust Yahoo groups to not sell our email addresses, etc. 2)I think that the ICPS (or a consortium of CP societies) should support the CP listserve for the long term. I read the criticism that the entire ICPS membership might not benefit from supporting the listserve, but don't consider this important. After all, not everyone benefits from every action the ICPS does anyway. For example, some people in the ICPS may not care about conservation, but the ICPS has an active conservation program. The listserve would fit perfectly with the ICPS's mission statement of contributing to the distribution of information about CP! I'm sure it would fit well with the mission statement of other CP societies, too. There is probably the concern that someone making inflammatory remarks on the listserve could fly in the face of the ICPS. For example, maybe someone could sue the ICPS if their feelings were hurt on the listserve? I don't know if this is a realistic concern, but suspect some kind of firewall language could be inserted in the listserve description to protect the ICPS (or a consortium of CP societies) from goofy litigious people looking for an easy buck. Cheers Barry ------------------------ Barry A. Rice, Ph.D. Carnivorous Plant Newsletter Conservation Coeditor barry@carnivorousplants.org http://www.carnivorousplants.org ################### From: Cp@omnisterra.com (Frederick JM Depuydt) Date: Sun, 09 Mar 2003 03:56:35 +0100 Subject: [CP] Nepenthes coccinea upper pitcher Hello, has anybody ever witnessed or preferably photographed a Nepenthes coccinea upper pitcher? Cheers, Frederick Need a new email address that people can remember Check out the new EudoraMail at http://www.eudoramail.com ################### From: Cp@omnisterra.com ({USER_FIRSTNAME} {USER_LASTNAME}) Date: Sat, 8 Mar 2003 22:16:06 -0500 Subject: [CP] Nepenthes coccinea upper pitcher Its possible ----- Original Message ----- To: Sent: Saturday, March 08, 2003 9:56 PM > Hello, > > has anybody ever witnessed or preferably photographed a Nepenthes > coccinea upper pitcher? > > Cheers, > Frederick > > > Need a new email address that people can remember > Check out the new EudoraMail at > http://www.eudoramail.com > > _______________________________________________ > Cp mailing list > Cp@omnisterra.com > http://omnisterra.com/mailman/listinfo/cp_omnisterra.com ################### From: Cp@omnisterra.com (Malesiana Tropicals) Date: Sun, 9 Mar 2003 16:24:31 +0800 Subject: [CP] new list-server This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_002D_01C2E658.A1BBDFB0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_001_002E_01C2E658.A1BBDFB0" ------=_NextPart_001_002E_01C2E658.A1BBDFB0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Dear George, Are you still interested to receive the attached invoice. Did you cancel it? Kind regards, Lisa -- Malesiana Tropicals Sdn. Bhd. 1st Floor, Lot 4909, Sect. 64 KTLD, Upland Shop House, Jln. Upland 93300 Kuching, Sarawak, Malaysia Phone: [int'l prefix]+(6082) 419-290 Fax: [int'l prefix]+(6082) 423-494 http://www.malesiana.tropicals.com.my -----Original Message----- Of ZITMCKAY@aol.com Sent: 06 March 2003 10:35 To: Cp@omnisterra.com Just sending a post to the list to make shore it is working on my end. I believe I introduced myself a while ago when I first posted to the old list but, from that point I have gained a lot of other plants to add to my grow list. I'm interested in anything I can get my hands on to grow. George McKay ------=_NextPart_001_002E_01C2E658.A1BBDFB0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message
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All plant material has been treated with insecticide and fungicide = prior to shipment and should \plain\tab\fs20\b\f2\cf0\cb2 TOTAL = PAYMENTS{\fs18\par}}\pard\plain\sb103\tx90\tqc\tx7702\tqr\tx10005{\plain\= tab\fs16\f3\cf0\cb1 be washed thoroughly before = planting.\plain\tab\fs20\b\f2\cf0\cb2 AMOUNT = DUE\plain\tab\fs20\f1\cf0\cb1 = $105.00{\fs25\par}}\pard\plain\sb5414\tx90\tqr\tx10008{\plain\tab\fs20\b\= f2\cf0\cb1 26 February 2003\plain\tab\fs20\b\f2\cf0\cb1 PAGE 1 of = 1{\fs25\par}}} ------=_NextPart_000_002D_01C2E658.A1BBDFB0-- ################### From: Cp@omnisterra.com (mike wilder) Date: Sun, 09 Mar 2003 11:05:28 +0000 Subject: [CP] cultivars hello chris, you are right that there are many people who have expressed the hope that cultivars will be widely distributed before they are named; even the icps website has helped spread the idea that cultivars should be "worthy", excellent, outstanding, etc. but it is important for everyone to realize that the icps does not and cannot govern the rules of nomenclature regarding cultivars. we can suggest a million ideas that would be "better" or appear sensible but they really have no weight; anyone who agrees to follow the rules simply must without modification. and jan and others have no intention of not following them. this is not an irrational position, even if some disagree with it. but it does have the consequence that anyone can name any plant for any reason, so long as that person "distinguishes" the plant for some reason, and if that distinguishing feature or features can be described in the appropriate way (i.e., according to the rules.) the code makes no mention of worthiness, excellence or outstandingness as necessary or sufficient criteria for ascribing cultivar status. "distinguishability" is all that matters. so it ultimately doesn't matter whether anyone has or appreciates a cultivar aside from the namer, at least as far the question: does plant x deserve a cultivar name? only the namer need think so. there are two ways the interpret these facts: 1. the nomenclatural rules are stupid and the icps shouldn't follow them. a person who argues for this view ought to be qualified to edit the cpn and ought to be willing to personally tell the nomenclatural authorities that the icps is pulling out of its agreement to be a registering authority. 2. the rules are imperfect or not "ideal", just like everything else that humans have a hand in. the rules are nicely democratic and declare that all growers are equally qualified to determine whether a given plant is "distinguishable" and therefore worthy of a cultivar name. i post this not to attack you chris at all (and certainly not in particular.) it's just that these matters have been argued back and forth repeatedly, including by me. so i hope it will benefit everyone to at least see what the icps can and cannot do regarding cultivars. it can't write new rules, unless it abandons the code. as a practical matter, if someone has a plant they think may merit cultivar status, and if they want confirmation or feedback before naming it, it shouldn't be too difficult for them to find trustworthy people who can receive and evaluate clones with this understanding. but this practical method cannot be formalized by the icps as a sort of rule; it doesn't have this authority. in any case, i myself have found that it is much easier to question the code than it is to write a better one. this does not of course prevent me from giddily circulating plants with wholly invalid names like p. sp. "la vuelta", "molango", "sierra obscura", ad infinitum. that there is a standardized way of naming plants accepted by our community does not prevent anyone from celebrating and perpetuating idiolects [except in the pages of the cpn, and i guess except for sp. "floating"] :) mike wilder www.geocities.com/pingenstein _________________________________________________________________ The new MSN 8: smart spam protection and 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail ################### From: Cp@omnisterra.com (delphine dubois) Date: Sun, 9 Mar 2003 20:44:43 +0400 Subject: [CP] seeds to trade C'est un message de format MIME en plusieurs parties. ------=_NextPart_000_009F_01C2E67C.B68507E0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable hi! i have seeds of: - drosera capensis sp - drosera binata var. multifida - dionaea muscipula - darlingtonia californica=20 - sarracenia flava rugelli to swap. in exchange, i'm looking for seeds of drosera: cistiflora madagascariensis pilosa pauciflora prolifera regia slackii ascendens banksii caledonica dielsiana esterhuyseniae hamiltonii graminifolia chrysolepis indica montana var montana montana var schwackei romaimae sessilifolia trinervia venusta i swap in small amounts only for the moment. contact me. thanks. deedee *** pseudo/nickname aim (aol), messenger (msn & yahoo) : darlingtonia974 icq : 328465923 darlingtonia974 http://site.voila.fr/carniland plantes carnivores / carnivorous plants ------=_NextPart_000_009F_01C2E67C.B68507E0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
hi!
 
i have seeds of:
- drosera capensis sp
- drosera binata var. multifida
- dionaea muscipula
- darlingtonia californica
- sarracenia flava rugelli
to swap.
 
in exchange, i'm looking for seeds of drosera:
cistiflora
madagascariensis
pilosa
pauciflora
prolifera
regia
slackii
ascendens
banksii
caledonica
dielsiana
esterhuyseniae
hamiltonii
graminifolia
chrysolepis
indica
montana var montana
montana var schwackei
romaimae
sessilifolia
trinervia
venusta
 
i swap in small amounts only for the moment.
 
contact me.
 
thanks.
 
deedee

***
pseudo/nickname = aim (aol),=20 messenger (msn & yahoo) : darlingtonia974
icq : 328465923=20 darlingtonia974
http://site.voila.fr/carniland
plantes=20 carnivores / carnivorous plants
------=_NextPart_000_009F_01C2E67C.B68507E0-- ################### From: Cp@omnisterra.com (Cp@omnisterra.com) Date: Sun, 9 Mar 2003 12:43:51 EST Subject: [CP] attachments --part1_173.16d1a2ee.2b9cd757_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Rick; As a suggestion, might I recommend that the listserv not allow attachments. Due to the prevalence of viruses being sent by e-mail attachments, this could be asking for trouble. TTFN Hamir the Hermit "The party in question, managed to aggravate the CID, Gave them my address, now they're after me. Living without fear, living without a straight career, Living without fear, you, and your great ideas." --part1_173.16d1a2ee.2b9cd757_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Rick;


As a suggestion, might I recommend that the listserv not allow attachments.&= nbsp; Due to the prevalence of viruses being sent by e-mail attachments, thi= s could be asking for trouble.




TTFN

Hamir the Hermit

"The party in questi= on, managed to aggravate the CID,
Gave them my address, now they're after me.
Living without fear, living without a straight career,
Living without fear, you, and your great ideas." --part1_173.16d1a2ee.2b9cd757_boundary-- ################### From: Cp@omnisterra.com (kinyon) Date: Sun, 9 Mar 2003 09:49:42 -0800 Subject: [CP] boring webcam take 3 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0000_01C2E621.358AE700 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hey folks, The Darlingtonia bloomed, so its on my webcam today at "goof.camarades.com" Watching plants grow at the speed of light! Joseph Kinyon ------=_NextPart_000_0000_01C2E621.358AE700 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hey=20 folks,
 
The = Darlingtonia=20 bloomed, so its on my webcam today at = "goof.camarades.com"
 
Watching plants grow=20 at the speed of light!
 
Joseph = Kinyon
------=_NextPart_000_0000_01C2E621.358AE700-- ################### From: Cp@omnisterra.com (Georg J. Stach) Date: Sun, 9 Mar 2003 19:31:13 +0100 Subject: [CP] attachments Hi Rick, additionally all HTML-parts and other non-text/plain-MIME-contents should be cut away by the listserve-parser, if possible. :-) Thanks Georg ################### From: Cp@omnisterra.com (Tim Malcolm) Date: Sun, 9 Mar 2003 11:46:51 -0700 Subject: [CP] HTML in messages Is there any way to prevent html-formatted messages from being distributed by the list? Currently, about half of the content of my digests is taken up by unreadable duplicated copies formatted in html. tim. ################### From: Cp@omnisterra.com (Ivan Snyder) Date: Sun, 9 Mar 2003 11:06:49 -0800 Subject: [CP] CPN format & contents - Hello Ivan Snyder how about a article for the June 2008 CPN regarding your interest with nomenclature of Drosera? Regards, Mike St. Petersburg Florida Hi Mike and all, I see we have all crossed over to the next plain successfully. Thanks to Rick for making this all possible. I enjoy both CP Digest and CPN in their present format. I do not have internet access, only e-mail at home. I would be happy to contribute such an article for CPN. It is sure to receive a compromising annotation in the form of a biased and even hostile editorial comment. Seems this sort of conflict actually appeals to readers here. A species will have the most competition with members of its own. Competition is needed to progress. Man has proven to be an exceptionally aggressive and competitive species. Certainly the greatest on this world. Be proud? Ivan ________________________________________________________________ Sign Up for Juno Platinum Internet Access Today Only $9.95 per month! Visit www.juno.com ################### From: Cp@omnisterra.com (Cp@omnisterra.com) Date: Sun, 9 Mar 2003 15:11:53 EST Subject: [CP] html crud --part1_18e.176aaec6.2b9cfa09_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Is it just me or is there an awful lot of html crud in the digest? What a pain to find the new messages among the html code and reply to reply to reply. Tony --part1_18e.176aaec6.2b9cfa09_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Is it just me or is there an awful lot of html crud in= the digest?  What a pain to find the new messages among the html code=20= and reply to reply to reply.
Tony --part1_18e.176aaec6.2b9cfa09_boundary-- ################### From: Cp@omnisterra.com (Gary Kong) Date: Sun, 09 Mar 2003 15:25:15 -0500 Subject: [CP] html crud I'm receiving individual emails to an account that is specifically for this listserve and anything related to it. I'm currently having no trouble with html tags and am receiving everything in plain text, although a couple of attachments have made their way through. Perhaps if you set your preferences to receive individual emails as they arrive, you would alleviate your html-in-digest woes. Gary Kong NTnChubbs@aol.com wrote: >Is it just me or is there an awful lot of html crud in the digest? What a >pain to find the new messages among the html code and reply to reply to >reply. >Tony > -- San Francisco, CA World Leader Pretend: http://www.foulds2000.freeserve.co.uk/bushv5.htm __________________________________________________________________ The NEW Netscape 7.0 browser is now available. Upgrade now! http://channels.netscape.com/ns/browsers/download.jsp Get your own FREE, personal Netscape Mail account today at http://webmail.netscape.com/ ################### From: Cp@omnisterra.com (Rick Walker) Date: Sun, 09 Mar 2003 12:53:27 -0800 Subject: [CP] Re: attachments "Georg J. Stach" writes: > additionally all HTML-parts and other non-text/plain-MIME-contents > should be cut away by the listserve-parser, if possible. :-) "Tim Malcolm" writes: > Is there any way to prevent html-formatted messages from being > distributed by the list? Currently, about half of the content of my > digests is taken up by unreadable duplicated copies formatted in html. The main disadvantage with using an ISP service and not running my own server is that I cannot easily create custom scripts for processing the mail. The old Agilent listserv was heavily customized to edit out mime text, SPAM, images, attachements and to do automatic line wrapping... etc. Several possibilities suggest themselves, though. Currently, I have subscribed everyone to receive "plain" mail. You can set your preferences to receive MIME digests instead. Then if you run a MIME compatible mail reader you wont see all the gunk that is generated by people using internet explorer and other "fancy" mail clients. The second suggestion is that we continue to kindly encourage everyone to send plain ASCII messages. To enforce this will require gentle education and constant periodic reminders (ideally in the form of private email suggestions) to the new members who aren't yet listserv-savvy. Using MIME or HTML on a listserv is an indication of someone who is still learning the ropes. Please encourage such people to try to "get with the program" ASAP to keep the CP list as pleasant as possible. Maybe we can create a FAQ explaining how to shut off MIME for some common mail programs (Pine, ELM, Netscape, IE, Eudora, etc). In most mail programs, there will be a way to "Set Preferences" for Mail. Please select "plain ASCII" or turn off "MIME" and "HTML" formatting. Such encoding is usually utterly irrelevant for our purposes because it tries to set fonts that may not exist on most computers, or tries to justify the text in ways which are incompatible with many of our readers. Use of these proprietary formats typically expands the message, bandwidth and disk space used by at least 2.5x for MIME and about 15x for encoded Microsoft Word files. I'm happy to try to help anyone, or to try to clarify these points if there is any confusion. I'll also see if there is a way that I can set up a mail alias to run all incoming mail through some filtering scripts. I just breathed a sigh of relief to have the list running at all. The cosmetic touches may take a while longer :-). kind regards, -- Rick Walker ################### From: Cp@omnisterra.com (Christopher Armstrong) Date: Sun, 9 Mar 2003 18:03:13 -0500 Subject: [CP] Nepenthes growing points Hello all, I have a very old, rather branchy N. alata witch I just repotted a couple weeks ago. I removed three climbing stems and left one to grow. Now the plant has gone crazy and has started to send out 13 (I counted) new growing points. Would it diminish the pitchers to let all 13 points grow (witch I think would look pretty impressive), or should I remove some of them? Regards, Jonathan Armstrong ################### From: Cp@omnisterra.com (Steve LaWarre) Date: Mon, 10 Mar 2003 08:34:32 -0500 Subject: [CP] Nepenthes growing points Hey Jonathan, IF you have that Nep in a BIG container, It should do just fine. I find = that big plants will support lots of basal growth just fine as long as = they have lots of room. Keep it in a BIG container and watch it go = crazy. Steve LaWarre Grand Rapids, MI=20 > -----Original Message----- > From: Christopher Armstrong [mailto:gollum0@bellsouth.net] > Sent: Sunday, March 09, 2003 6:03 PM > To: Cp@omnisterra.com > Subject: [CP] Nepenthes growing points >=20 >=20 > Hello all, > I have a very old, rather branchy N. alata witch I just=20 > repotted a couple > weeks ago. I removed three climbing stems and left one to=20 > grow. Now the > plant has gone crazy and has started to send out 13 (I=20 > counted) new growing > points. Would it diminish the pitchers to let all 13 points=20 > grow (witch I > think would look pretty impressive), or should I remove some of them? >=20 > Regards, Jonathan Armstrong >=20 >=20 > _______________________________________________ > Cp mailing list > Cp@omnisterra.com > http://omnisterra.com/mailman/listinfo/cp_omnisterra.com >=20 ################### From: Cp@omnisterra.com ({USER_FIRSTNAME} {USER_LASTNAME}) Date: Mon, 10 Mar 2003 08:45:06 -0500 Subject: [CP] apology for mass mailed photo Dear listserve members. It appears I messed up and mass mailed a jpg using a auto-mailer program Sat to all address recorded in my address book, I did stop it before it was done. I also don't understand how some of the address's were even in my address book as I have no idea who they are. Looking at the sent emails from my files the list is too long to write everyone and explain that this isn't a virus. Judging from the private response most are list serve members or from my customer data base, I apologize for this. I am sorry for this, Thankfully it wasn't some off-color photo of questionable taste, or the private business letters I was trying to send out. I am no computer guru, this is certain. Its just a S. flava picture. Sincerely, Michael Hunt St. Petersburg Florida ################### From: Cp@omnisterra.com (Cp@omnisterra.com) Date: Mon, 10 Mar 2003 10:12:50 -0500 Subject: [CP] apology for mass mailed photo Mike, It's a nice photo, though mine looks to be S. leucophylla with a caption "Preaching to the Choir", and I got three of them sent to my work address, lol. Regards, Joe Griffin Lincoln, NE USA In a message dated 3/10/2003 8:45:06 AM Eastern Standard Time, stovehouse@earthlink.net writes: > > > Dear listserve members. > > It appears I messed up and mass mailed a jpg using a auto-mailer program Sat > to all address recorded in my address book, I did stop it before it was > done. I also don't understand how some of the address's were even in my > address book as I have no idea who they are. > Looking at the sent emails from my files the list is too long to write > everyone and explain that this isn't a virus. Judging from the private > response most are list serve members or from my customer data base, I > apologize for this. > I am sorry for this, > > Thankfully it wasn't some off-color photo of questionable taste, or the > private business letters I was trying to send out. > I am no computer guru, this is certain. Its just a S. > flava picture. > > Sincerely, > > Michael Hunt > St. Petersburg Florida > > > > _______________________________________________ > Cp mailing list > Cp@omnisterra.com > http://omnisterra.com/mailman/listinfo/cp_omnisterra.com ################### From: Cp@omnisterra.com (Chris Teichreb) Date: Mon, 10 Mar 2003 07:45:25 -0800 Subject: [CP] cultivars Hi Mike, Oh, I know this topic has been brought up before and I gave my two cents worth then. While I can understand the rationale for the rules ie: name a plant before it's widely distributed and starts being called by all sorts of names, I still think it is a good idea for the ICPS to at least encourage distribution prior to naming, even if according to the rules the person can still just go ahead and name it prior to distributing. I don't know, just makes good common sense to me, at least for cp! Cheers! Chris -- Chris Teichreb http://www.geocities.com/VCPC2000 (Vancouver Carnivorous Plant Club) _________________________________________________________________ Add photos to your messages with MSN 8. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/featuredemail ################### From: Cp@omnisterra.com (Cp@omnisterra.com) Date: Mon, 10 Mar 2003 11:52:45 -0500 Subject: [CP] S. flava on Snake Wranglers" Hi All, There is a show on the National Geographic channel called "Snake Wranglers", that features various specialists catching snakes for research or whatnot. Anyway, the one a few days ago was about Eastern Diamback rattlesnakes surviving in Florida, and they showed three scenes of the guy catching them in long-leaf pine areas and you could see beautiful gold-green S. flava standing next to him and across the grassy meadows he was in. Only a plant geek could notice something like that in a quickly shown scene. Regards, Joe Griffin Lincoln, NE USA ################### From: Cp@omnisterra.com (kinyon) Date: Mon, 10 Mar 2003 10:11:59 -0800 Subject: [CP] rolling stone Hey folks, A small question for you bryophyte/CP gurus. I know sphagnum is the moss du jour for cp's, but why exactly is green moss bad news for carnivorous plants? How does it kill them? Joseph Kinyon ################### From: Cp@omnisterra.com (Cp@omnisterra.com) Date: Mon, 10 Mar 2003 13:21:09 -0500 Subject: [CP] rolling stone Joseph, I am not 100% sure, but I think the green moss is a moss that is dried and then dyed green, and therefore toxic to the more sensitive CP. It is used for decorative uses.I hope someone will correct me on that, if I am wrong. Regards, Joe Griffin Lincoln, NE USA n a message dated 3/10/2003 1:11:59 PM Eastern Standard Time, kinyon@sbcglobal.net writes: > > > Hey folks, > > > A small question for you bryophyte/CP gurus. > > > I know sphagnum is the moss du jour for cp's, but why > exactly is green moss > > bad news for carnivorous plants? How does it kill them? > > > > Joseph Kinyon > > > _______________________________________________ > Cp mailing list > Cp@omnisterra.com > http://omnisterra.com/mailman/listinfo/cp_omnisterra.com ################### From: Cp@omnisterra.com (Steve LaWarre) Date: Mon, 10 Mar 2003 13:45:31 -0500 Subject: [CP] rolling stone You are absolutely right Joe, and as an added note: Most of the "green = Moss" that you can buy for decorative purposes is striped from logs as = they are processed for lumber. These terrestrial mosses do not have the = same pH properties or the water holding capacity that LF sphagnum does. = In my experience, this type of moss product just gets rotten and stinky = when kept wet. Steve LaWarre Grand Rapids MI > -----Original Message----- > From: Killerplants@aol.com [mailto:Killerplants@aol.com] > Sent: Monday, March 10, 2003 1:21 PM > To: Cp@omnisterra.com > Subject: Re: [CP] rolling stone >=20 >=20 > Joseph, >=20 > I am not 100% sure, but I think the green moss is a moss that=20 > is dried and then dyed green, and therefore toxic to the more=20 > sensitive CP. It is used for decorative uses.I hope someone=20 > will correct me on that, if I am wrong. >=20 > Regards, >=20 > Joe Griffin > Lincoln, NE USA >=20 > n a message dated 3/10/2003 1:11:59 PM Eastern Standard Time,=20 > kinyon@sbcglobal.net writes: >=20 > >=20 > >=20 > > Hey folks, > >=20 > >=20 > > A small question for you bryophyte/CP gurus. > >=20 > >=20 > > I know sphagnum is the moss du jour for cp's, but why=20 > > exactly is green moss > >=20 > > bad news for carnivorous plants? How does it kill them? > >=20 > >=20 > >=20 > > Joseph Kinyon > >=20 > >=20 > > _______________________________________________ > > Cp mailing list > > Cp@omnisterra.com > > http://omnisterra.com/mailman/listinfo/cp_omnisterra.com=20 >=20 > _______________________________________________ > Cp mailing list > Cp@omnisterra.com > http://omnisterra.com/mailman/listinfo/cp_omnisterra.com >=20 ################### From: Cp@omnisterra.com (kinyon) Date: Mon, 10 Mar 2003 18:59:36 -0800 Subject: [CP] mime mania Sorry about the recent postings with html. Even though Outlook is checked to send as plain text only, its sending messages as html. That will teach me to ever upgrade again. Nice blocking script Rick :) Joseph Kinyon ################### From: Cp@omnisterra.com (Philippe NAMOUR) Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2003 07:44:09 +0100 Subject: [CP] pocosin and carolina bay ? Hi all Could a person explain me the difference between a pocosin and a carolina bay? It's the same thing? Thanks Philippe ################### From: Cp@omnisterra.com ({USER_FIRSTNAME} {USER_LASTNAME}) Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2003 06:27:17 -0500 Subject: [CP] pocosin and carolina bay ? its the same thing, only a different word. Pocosin is a word Native American's called the Carolina Bay. Pocosin means a swamp on a hill. Mike St. Petersburg Florida ----- Original Message ----- To: Sent: Tuesday, March 11, 2003 1:44 AM > > Hi all > > Could a person explain me the difference between a pocosin and a carolina bay? > It's the same thing? > Thanks > > > Philippe > > > _______________________________________________ > Cp mailing list > Cp@omnisterra.com > http://omnisterra.com/mailman/listinfo/cp_omnisterra.com ################### From: Cp@omnisterra.com (Jan Schlauer) Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2003 12:36:48 +0100 Subject: [CP] vft cultivars Dear Chris, > Correct me if I'm wrong, but I thought the ICPS encouraged > distribution of a plant among growers prior to naming it as a cultivar. While it is favourable that a certain stock of plants is available before a cultivar enters the trade and before it is named, it is by no way necessary (and *NOT* recommended by the ICPS!) to distribute any plants prior to naming. > By doing this, it ensures it is in cultivation and others deem it > worthy. The latter criterion is of great importance to the cp growing community but it does not have anything to do with cultivar naming or the duties of the ICPS or other ICRAs. > This avoids having all of these cultivar names for plants that > were never properly distributed, or just plain unworthy of cultivar > status in the opinion of the general cp community. The opinion of the general cp community can and should be expressed by awards of merit. This does not affect the naming of cultivars and is not governed by ICRAs. Awards (and patents or trademarks) are *mentioned* in the Register of cultivar names but they are not (and must not be) *granted* by the Registration Authority. > I can see why naming prior to distribution is preferred, as it avoid > the confusion between nicknames and true cultivar names. However, I > look through the list of recently named cultivars and rarely see half of > them on sellers or traders lists. This will probably never change (and this was never different in the past). The International Register lists *all* cultivars for which names have been established world-wide according to the rules. No nursery on earth could even hope to gather (and propagate!) a significant fraction of these. As cultivar names are being registered without regard to provenience or merit of the corresponding plants, it is highly unlikely any trade list would ever contain more than a few of these new names. There are some nurseries that list names of plants they do not actually have on stock in order to present "complete" listings of cultivars. But responsible growers should rather refer tp the International Register because only registration with the ICRA warrants a required minimum of information on the cultivars to be available. > Is there a way for a grower to secure a the right to describe a > particular cultivar without actually registering it until they have > distributed it? No. This would encourage and facilitate the distribution of ill-defined, nicknamed plant material through the horticultural trade. It is one of the purposes of registration to prevent exactly this > That way, as stated above, it would ensure it was > secure in cultivation "Secure in cultivation" is not a very well defined term. How many growers do need to have a plant for which period of time until the plant could be considered "secure in cultivation"? Irrespective of the answer to this question it would be far too many growers for far too long a time to avoid bogus name formation and distribution. > and deemed worthy by others of cultivar status. Anything on this planet is "of cultivar status" as long as a cultivar name has been established for it properly. For cultivar status it is entirely immaterial what "others deem worthy" or not. Others may and should grant awards of merit, but they are not entitled to judge cultivar status, which is exclusively defined by the ICNCP. Kind regards Jan ################### From: Cp@omnisterra.com (Jan Schlauer) Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2003 12:43:26 +0100 Subject: [CP] Re: Cultivar Publication Dear William, > I was wondering if the publication of cultivar status is restricted to > the printed media (I assume it is). Wouldn't it be wonderful if the > publication could happen in a faster fashion than allowed by > conventional printed publication? The problem of non-printed media is permanence. We have witnessed what has happened to the cp database (which contains the International Register of names of cultivated cps), and it could happen again. Even if the site was mirrored, major damage to a limited number of servers could cause the data to be inaccessible for a not predictable period of time. Printed media are distributed and published in a rather more irreversible way than electronical media. Although it is possible that a number of libraries will burn down at the same time, It is unlikely that *all* copies of CPN will vanish from the surface of this planet as long as some cp freaks will survive. > Perhaps a future consideration might be the establishment of a dedicated > web site to host photos and information regarding these cultivars - with > stipulation that the approved entries be backed up in a hard copy, and > placed appropriately in predetermined botanical libraries. Both is effected already by registration of cultivar names by the ICPS and by publishing the Register with the cp database. > If the information was burned to CD, I think this will be sensible once we will have a sufficient number of standard photographs in electronical format. Work in this direction is in progress. > If the only restriction to > this concept is the question "who will do it", I believe that there are > willing members of our community who will make this effort for the good > of all. Registration is effected already by the ICPS (the International Cultivar Registration Authority for cps). All we need is people who establish cultivar names (by publishing appropriate descriptions) and who register them with the ICPS. > I think part of the reason no one registers these plants as > cultivars is the paucity of acceptable journals for cultivar > publication. Well, a good proportion of recently bred cultivars has been described already, and the names have been registered (as published in CPN). > The ICPN could not handle a serious and concerted effort > to legitimize these common (but bogus) assignations by the CP community, > even if all were willing to fully embrace the concept. We are very well prepared to handle all such efforts (by those who accept the concept) so far. Bogus naming will probably not vanish but I think the number of people who prefer bogus to registration is decreasing. I will continue my efforts to sustain this trend. > The CPN backlog would stretch for years! Only in theory. Much of the bogus-named stuff is not well defined (so it will very probably never be described) and clearly defined cultivars can be described very easily (so the descriptions will not require much space in CPN). Calls for descriptions (we have published several ones in the past already) have never yielded unsurmountable amounts of useful submissions. So far our capacities in CPN are sufficient to satisfy all demands for cultivar descriptions. > I picture my proposal as working like this: If someone wanted to publish > a cultivar they would write the description, attach the requisite > photo(s) and email these to you. You would then assess the entry, and > if acceptable after appropriate review, forward the file with your > approval to the (change text from here) > webmaster who then 1) enters it on the site (which entry > carries a time/date stamp) and 2) backs it immediately to hard copy > (stored in a couple of different places). new text: co-editor (Barry) who then submits the text to Steve for layout. The date (of receipt) is added as soon as the manuscript is received from the author, and published together with the description in CPN. As soon as the description is published effectively (i.e. the printed matter is available to the general public), the name is established, and the name, details on its publication, description, standard, etc. are added to the International Register together with the date of registration. > Please consider and forward this concept, if you feel it has merit, to > anyone with the capacity to make decisions regarding this protocol. We are already using a very similar protocol with the important difference that we are applying a form of publication that conforms with the ICNCP. If you would like to change the text of the ICNCP to include the possibility of internet publication, please contact Piers Trehane who is collecting proposals to change the Code. > I > feel that with a speedier and more accessible vehicle of acceptable > publication, many of these plants at last could have the legitimate name > they deserve and are commonly referred to by, The name they are referred to by is not legitimate in the case of bogus names. > and we could begin > intelligent discussion about what we grow, and what we think we grow. Publishing the description is not at all the bottleneck. Most cultivar descriptions have been published within 1.5 years after submission, while many bogus names have been around for several decades. > The internet is a powerful tool of communication, I hope we can utilize > it to help bring intelligent resolution to the guessing game of "who has > which what". Printed publication and registration are the tools proposed by the ICNCP to achieve this goal. The ICPS is using the internet where appropriate and possible in this context. Kind regards Jan ################### From: Cp@omnisterra.com (Jan Schlauer) Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2003 12:43:38 +0100 Subject: [CP] CPN format & contents Dear Ivan, (RE: _Drosera_ nomenclature) > I would be happy to contribute such an article for CPN. It is sure > to receive a compromising annotation in the form of a biased and even > hostile editorial comment. It would depend on the manuscript. I doubt, however, there would be any comment if it respected the ICBN appropriately. The important point is it would probably be published in CPN. Kind regards Jan ################### From: Cp@omnisterra.com (Jan Schlauer) Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2003 12:58:20 +0100 Subject: [CP] CPN format & contents Dear Michael, > Most likely though I would deny it and try my best to be fair the CPN at > that point would lean towards cultural content over more scientific > genetic/lab work and nomenclature. I am not sure I understand what you mean here. What would you like to achieve and how? > All publications are swayed by the Editorial content and > remembered that way. > For instance the Washington Post Newspaper or New York Times may report the > news but both are known for leaning a certain direction editorially. This sounds like the old censorship debate but I know you don't mean this (because of your disclaimer). So what do you want to say here? > Jan you honestly don't feel in the not to distant future that interest could > grow with using the web for publication? This interest does no doubt exist. But so far I do not see how CPN could satisfy such a demand. There are others who are much more qualified to act here than CPN. Judging from my own workload with editing CPN, I do neither feel the necessity nor do I see the possibility to spend even more of my non-paid, volunteer, leisure time on ICPS publications. Furthermore I am probably not sufficiently trained to process materials for an online journal with the circulation and content you indicated. So the product you mentioned would quite radically differ from CPN, and it would not be justified to give it the same name. > The example of the official ICPS > site is excellent, professionally done, interesting, & maintained. It is > building nicely with expanding information. Worth a look and then another > look on a regular basis to see what's new. This seems to indicate the direction we should go. So actually it is not CPN we are talking about. > More trade and professional > publications are being made available as paid subscriptions on-line in > various formats. The information can be expanded, is more timely, and > allows for more photo opportunity over a costly printed format. I would > think, it could streamline the help & labor needed to publish a printed > Journal. Yes, indeed. > In the future I predict that many more periodicals will be only available > through the web as printing, labor, & postage continue to rise. Formats for > copying the on-line publications such as pdf will become more used by the > home computer for producing hard copies. This is probably true, and we are thinking about releasing back issues of CPN this way. But this is still a significant distance from an online journal appearing every other month. > Jan you are a very irritable sounding type of guy There are some itchy spots, indeed. So far I have, however, always tried to mention reasons together with my opinion. > and your sarcasm was noted in your demeaning reply to me. My reply was not meant to be demeaning (while some sarcasm was indeed involved). I wanted to make clear exactly what I do not consider constructive or feasible suggestions in the context of CPN. > But maybe that was because you thought I was attacking the way articles are > submitted and published I thought you wrote: "CPN is about the same size, less content as the format started with in 1979. Far less cultural content......" Please correct me if I am wrong. > which is personal Well, being one of the people responsible for editing the stuff that appears in CPN, I tend to interpret statements like the above as personal. > and I wasn't making comments regarding this past issue. OK, I see. But in this case, you should not have talked about CPN, which is quite a different pair of socks. > If I can submit something of use to the CPN I will. Barry contacted me man > months ago regarding co-writing a article with Doug Darnowski. I would > gladly write something, but in this case I didn't have the expertise needed > to pull my end of the article so I declined. The article Barry suggested is > excellent and would be extremely interesting to most readers of the CPN and > I hope it will be completed. Who should do this if not you? We do not only need the people who would read these papers. Someone must write them. There is really no alternative. > Further I am writing a article for future submission which is dreadfully > needed this is on treating fungal disease on the plants. Very good. > I suggest a regular Genus/species/cultivar column in every CPN, though done > in the past cultural data changes and even repeated information would be > welcomed. I will write on what I have long term experience growing. Very good. > Give me a list I will contact growers and ask them if they would be > interested in being a special guest writer regarding a special plant they > grow well. Hans Luhrs, Thomas Carow, Stan Lampard, Eric Partrat, Eric Green, Peter D'Amato, Bruce Lee Bednar. Some of these gentlemen have already promised to submit articles to CPN. We are waiting... > We can do some short human interest feature as well as plants on > the members of the ICPS Yes, indeed, if appropriate manuscripts were submitted. > - Hello Fernando in Brazil we would like to write a article on your > experience and a biography regarding your cp travels (human interest) Fernando is one of our most prolific regular correspondents and we will continue to publish his papers. I do not think you need to give him a starter. > - Hello Ivan Snyder how about a article for the June 2008 CPN regarding your > interest with nomenclature of Drosera? This is in press and will very likely be published earlier. > .... yes I can do this, sign me up! I volunteer today. What do you need to be signed up for? Just do it! > Please don't be such a meanie, This listserve would be half the fun without a personal reply or two. Anyway, sorry if I offended you. This was not my intention. Kind regards Jan ################### From: Cp@omnisterra.com (Chris Teichreb) Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2003 07:56:00 -0800 Subject: [CP] vft cultivars Dear Jan, While you may be a big meanie, I thank you for your thorough response to my questions and previous e-mails. I realize as far as registering cultivars, you have to follow the rules. However, I still think that people should be encouraged to distribute the cultivar in order to maintain it in cultivation and so that it can be appreciated by others. Anyway, this has been hashed over in previous postings, so I won't continue on. My views are as a cp grower and what I would like to see as a cp grower, not necessarily following the rules. On an interesting note for other cp growers, according to the rules, cultivar descriptions can be published in something as simple as your local cp club's newsletter (correct me if I'm wrong on this Jan). So, if you think that it will take too long to print in CPN, this is an option. Personally (again, personal opinion!), I would much rather publish a cultivar description in CPN as this reaches a wider audience and is a much better publication then most local club newsletters. Cheers! Chris -- Chris Teichreb http://www.geocities.com/VCPC2000 (Vancouver Carnivorous Plant Club) _________________________________________________________________ The new MSN 8: advanced junk mail protection and 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail ################### From: Cp@omnisterra.com (Philippe NAMOUR) Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2003 19:21:06 +0100 Subject: [CP] pocosin and carolina bay ? A 06:27 11/03/03 -0500, {USER_FIRSTNAME} {USER_LASTNAME} a =E9crit : >its the same thing, only a different word. > >Pocosin is a word Native American's called the Carolina Bay. Pocosin= means >a swamp on a hill. Humm ! Mike I have some doubts ! In this paragraph from US FS, it is written: "Long Lake is a blackwater Carolina Bay Lake located in the Croatan=20 National Forest. Previously owned by the United States Forest Service and= =20 now under private ownership, Long Lake is a large but shallow body with an= =20 average depth of one meter and a maximum depth of two meters. The lake is= =20 surrounded by and undisturbed pocosin swamp and managed forestland." One possible explanation would be that carolina bay is an acidic open water= =20 and pocosin a vegetalized peat bog ?? But I do not know any more for the moment Philippe Lyon, France ################### From: Cp@omnisterra.com (Chris Teichreb) Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2003 10:56:34 -0800 Subject: [CP] pocosin and carolina bay ? Philippe, >Humm ! Mike > >I have some doubts ! >In this paragraph from US FS, it is written: >"Long Lake is a blackwater Carolina Bay Lake located in the Croatan >National Forest. Previously owned by the United States Forest Service and >now under private ownership, Long Lake is a large but shallow body with an >average depth of one meter and a maximum depth of two meters. The lake is >surrounded by and undisturbed pocosin swamp and managed forestland." > Sounds like Carolina Bay is the name of the area and pocosin is a habitat type. Looking up pocosin, I got this definition from Webster's dictionary: Etymology: probably from Virginia or North Carolina Algonquian Definition: an upland swamp of the coastal plain of the southeastern U.S. Hope that helps! Chris _________________________________________________________________ Tired of spam? Get advanced junk mail protection with MSN 8. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail ################### From: Cp@omnisterra.com (Trent Meeks) Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2003 20:40:58 +0000 Subject: [CP] N. Coccinea upper traps Hi Everyone, Someone asked a few days ago if anyone has ever seen upper pitchers on N. Coccinea. Yes, I have, and yes, I have photos of them. They are elongated versions of the lowers and display all the features typical of this type of hybrid: reduced wings, not as dark in color-more spotted than solid. Usually the vine slows down once the ground shoots appear, but this one plant I staked up straight, and it grew over four feet, producing a set of large aerial traps. Hope this was helpful. Until later, Trent Meeks Boca Raton, Florida _________________________________________________________________ MSN 8 helps eliminate e-mail viruses. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/virus ################### From: Cp@omnisterra.com (Mark Todd) Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2003 16:19:03 -0500 Subject: [CP] Carolina Bays and pocosin Carolina Bays are located in Southeastern North Carolina on the costal plain. Don Schnell called the Carolina Bays mysterious structures. Here's how he described them in his book. "Supposedly named because they often contain multiple species of evergreen shrubs that are collectively called bays, these are shallow oval depressions with the ovals uniformly aligned northwest to southeast.The Carolina Bays are best appreciated from the air.They are surrounded by slightly raised ridges of sand, which are most pronounced on the southeast borders.The Carolina Bays vary in size from a few meters to several square kilometers. Several are filled with water and are the few natural lakes in the costal plains. Most are filled with peat and have a nearly impenetrable dense growth of broadleaf ericaceous evergreen shrubs. Carnivorous plants may be found at the margins of the bays, where there are some clearing The origin of the Carolina Bays is far from decided. There are many theories, including everything from takeoff locations for ancient alien spacecrafts to depressions left by whales swishing their tales when the ocean covered the area. The most likely theory seems to be that the bays are the result of meteor showers some 50,000 years ago. There do not seem to be foreign rock traces, but meteors could have been dirty ice, as so many seem to be. Savage (1982)wrote an exhaustive and readable study or the possible origins of these depressions." Here's link where you can see the Carolina Bays from the air: http://www.mapquest.com/maps/map.adp?size=big&mapdata=IFf9QlHFUAgTMBROkRlSrsZweRMcQ%2f0OM0Kh%2bjqTqR2R0hDzD86LpbZ7%2byI6MxSJJFVN2u2P83ZCynZwwW%2f%2bW4M3%2bf4XDCrJykqCDk0dpAM4169%2fXJBpMl8%2fVcCvHWccl2YWpQab%2f4DXsBsLHOcyy9pXisdHMV4X87Ocu4k%2bXo2lxHJI%2f1PL%2bJQm4sP3rxpZ7Lu1WfZ%2bviXqbmvDjs7dtncW2rUi33rMcdXhQ3rwUdq6E1oL%2brNmcx9Vs74GgsawjspC1OX8BYQKrm5KQpNuQxQJ22MFuJ0GD%2bWJ4IGfM4o%3d In this pic you can see some of the larger Carolina Bays. Notice the larger dark lake, that is Lake Waccamaw, the largest of the bays. If you look directly north you will see a series of lakes called the Bladen lakes. Here's a closer look at those: http://www.mapquest.com/maps/map.adp?mapdata=IFf9QlHFUAj%252bUbuNEiEknaxuO4udrozOZyKjY8SW8YGMCjWxTkNULhjzFeEHKiPr2JfbcBepF7Cma3z6uANTA2IvSlR2DBNkM%252bviRBE3Bj3RgFOol7IM9gab6Jj8tTT4P3nCes1LJJ0kdaVgGB27ojpfJJxBTdbVszYgc9CgqSNbShVlVWvKqrh4T7C%252bHztgDn86Nf4LOt4aQrStHxHzz0cFNzUI6O5OQ4O0txwE4PviRhUpxbJImIP3k2%252fzOvikqPUUUdgycHJwBm3DfemvEf92sm9dBEADwoOwC8AWylg%253d&click=zoom&mqmap.x=264&mqmap.y=255 You can zoom in on any of these for a closer look I know the Carolina Bays very well that is where I was born and spent most of my life. Pocosins are shrub bogs. I don't know much about them but from what I know they are bogs that are located in savannas. If I'm wrong about Pocosins I'm sure somebody here will point it out to me. Paypal is nothing but hightech common thieves. Check out their customer feedback http://www.planetfeedback.com/sharedLettersList/0,2941,101112-70-0-0-20-0-fb_date-desc,00.html Don't become another paypal victim _________________________________________________________________ Help STOP SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail ################### From: Cp@omnisterra.com (Cp@omnisterra.com) Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2003 16:31:30 -0500 Subject: [CP] Carolina Bay vs. Pocosin Phillippe -- Here is my understanding of the difference between the two terms. I am not certain that my understanding is accurate, but it fits with my own observations and relevant literature (Wildflowers of South Carolina, and other non CP-specific texts). Carolina Bays are depressions certainly, but not all are filled with water. I have seen many Bays of varying sizes that are quite dry. Others -- as you have correctly pointed out -- do fill with water. My understanding of poquosin habitat is that it is transitional between Bays (which tend to be open and often savannah-like in nature) and higher and drier terrain. Dionaea muscipula appears to favor this transitional habitat, which begins on the ridges of land surrounding the lower Bays. I hope this helps. Jay Lechtman Virginia, USA ################### From: Cp@omnisterra.com (David P Banks) Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2003 09:26:20 +1100 Subject: [CP] Grant Young As some of you already know, it is with deep regret to advise friends that Grant Young passed away yesterday evening (Monday) aged just 44. He died at home after suffering a sudden heart attack. Grant was the finest grower of Nepenthes I have seen and had a vast and diverse collection of quality carnivorous plants and orchids. His partner, Gowan, has asked me to let you know that Grant's funeral service will be held this Thursday at: North Shore Temple Emmanuel {Jewish} 28 Chatswood Ave. (off Victoria Road) Chatswood NSW Australia Thursday 13th March 2003 at 12 Noon. All of Grant & Gowan's friends are invited. ******************************************** David P. Banks Hills District Orchids 39 Carole Street, Seven Hills NSW 2147 Australia Phone (02) 9674-4720 Fax (02) 9686-3303 Editor "Australian Orchid Review" ################### From: Cp@omnisterra.com (Barry A. Rice) Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2003 15:22:40 -0800 (PST) Subject: [CP] Encouraging CPN submissions Hey Guys, Just a quick hello (when I should be working on these dang powerpoint presentations). I certainly welcome anyone's efforts at encouraging CPN submissions. Thanks for the help. I do this myself, whenever I see something interesting. Unfortunately, I think I've realized about a 5% success rate in this---lots of people say they'd be happy to write articles, but hardly anyone ever comes through on the pledges. However, if you folks are doing something cool, write it up! If you know of something cool happening, write it up! If you know of a buddy who is doing something cool, encourage them to write it up! I would also encourage you to contact me or Jan before starting some writing project, to make sure your idea isn't already being replicated by someone else. I'd hate to recieve an article in the mail, just to open it and realize that I've got another one on the same topic just about to be printed. Fortunately, this hasn't happened yet! Later folks Barry ------------------------ Barry A. Rice, Ph.D. Carnivorous Plant Newsletter Conservation Coeditor barry@carnivorousplants.org http://www.carnivorousplants.org ################### From: Cp@omnisterra.com (Barry A. Rice) Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2003 15:26:49 -0800 (PST) Subject: [CP] Oh yeah, about cultivars Hey folks, Oh yeah, about those cultivar names... Remember that the whole point of cultivar names is to have a set of descriptions available as a reference. That way, if you see Utricularia 'Asenath Waite' in a trade list, you can look up what it is. I recently saw Dionaea muscipula 'Fangs' for sale. I had to ask around to find out what the deal was regarding this plant (and got conflicting information). Published cultivar name descriptions are there to clear this up. Yeah, you can gripe about the details---and believe me people do. But it's a pretty good system. Better than good old fashioned chaos... Later Barry ------------------------ Barry A. Rice, Ph.D. Carnivorous Plant Newsletter Conservation Coeditor barry@carnivorousplants.org http://www.carnivorousplants.org ################### From: Cp@omnisterra.com ({USER_FIRSTNAME} {USER_LASTNAME}) Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2003 19:56:15 -0500 Subject: [CP] Carolina Bays and pocosin..good golly > > I know the Carolina Bays very well that is where I was born and spent most > of my life. > > Pocosins are shrub bogs. I don't know much about them but from what I know > they are bogs that are located in savannas. If I'm wrong about Pocosins I'm > sure somebody here will point it out to me. > Mark, Sure you what a Pocosin is, its a shrub bog on a Carolina Bay, and its not a pine flatwood savanna, but a pine Flatwoods savanna can border or be imbedded in a Bay, check out the other post. I sent on this and go to the" mother of all Carolina Bay websites". You know a different word for the samething. A Lilly is also a Trumpet or a fly catcher but its all a S. flava. Mike St. Petersburg Fl ################### From: Cp@omnisterra.com ({USER_FIRSTNAME} {USER_LASTNAME}) Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2003 20:00:22 -0500 Subject: [CP] Carolina Bay vs. Pocosin ..for pete sakes Phillippe, The word Pocosin is Algonquin Indian, North American natives that used the term for the term "swamp on a hill" on the dry land between streams formed as the Atlantic Ocean receded and freshwater lakes formed along the coast. Ages ago, the shoreline was further inland. The sand ridges here are ancient dune lines. 'Pocosin' generally refers to the whole area of shrub bog. A unique feature of a pocosin is the 'Carolina Bay', and the mechanisms of their formation ranges from unknown, through silly and even sillier, including meteor strikes and footprints from huge prehistoric animals. You asked what a pocosin is and its a Native American word, just like Croatan. As are many named in the region that refer to natural features that may have a more modern name, the Algonquin's didn't call it a "Shrub Bog" or a Carolina Bay but they new that the elevation was higher than the centers yet it remained wet. Another group of Indians lived on along a creek in western Pender County, they called this huge vast Bay Burgaw, and it was a show piece in its time of bio-diversity and a completely pristine ecosystem until the Pulp companies got to it and sliced huge 16' deep wounds into it crossing the area in the shape of a V if viewed from the air, draining 10,000 acres segments at 7 yrs a piece this area was then called "the grounds" by both Timber company workers and State conservation/Forest employees. Things I am fairly well versed on I can count on my 3 fingers on both hands, and this is one of the fingers. I have spent a great deal of time in these locations in NC,SC, & Georgia. I hope this link may help, Why don't you check George's website out we will show you pocosins & Carolina Bays website out, and then you can see for yourself http://www.georgehoward.net/cbays.htm Take care and remember watch out where you put the foot or you could end up in the quagmire Humm ! Mike I have some doubts ! In this paragraph from US FS, it is written: "Long Lake is a blackwater Carolina Bay Lake located in the Croatan National Forest. Previously owned by the United States Forest Service and now under private ownership, Long Lake is a large but shallow body with an average depth of one meter and a maximum depth of two meters. The lake is surrounded by and undisturbed pocosin swamp and managed forestland." One possible explanation would be that carolina bay is an acidic open water and pocosin a vegetalized peat bog ?? But I do not know any more for the moment Philippe Lyon, France ################### From: Cp@omnisterra.com (Paul Edwards) Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2003 13:33:20 +1100 Subject: [CP] Pygmy Drosera Gemmae for sale Hi all, An advertisement has just been placed on the VCPS Web Site for Pygmy Drosera gemmae for sale. If you're interested, go to www.vcps.au.com and click on VCPS Trading Post. Cheers, --------------------------------------------------------- Paul Edwards President / Internet Co-ordinator Victorian Carnivorous Plant Society http://www.vcps.au.com mail@vcps.au.com --------------------------------------------------------- ################### From: Cp@omnisterra.com ({USER_FIRSTNAME} {USER_LASTNAME}) Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2003 20:19:20 -0500 Subject: [CP] Encouraging CPN submissions I would like to write about the "mother of all bombs" being tested at Elgin today and the "mother" wiped out 90% of the remaining S. rubra gulfensis populations, as well this "mother" put a ton of other natural wildlife butts in the dirt. Elgin was once the Choctawhatchee National Forest, consisting of some 384,000 acres. Thankfully it was decided in 1940 this area would be better used as a proving ground and the area was ceded by the US Forestry Service . The area is still rich in wildlife and some would say without the AFB this area would be all pulp land and cheap service industries reaching the beaches and Country Club,....just like all other National Forest.. I can continue this story after I finish drinking the "mother of all drinks" .... Mike St. Petersburg Florida ----- Original Message ----- To: Sent: Tuesday, March 11, 2003 6:22 PM > > Hey Guys, > > Just a quick hello (when I should be working on these dang powerpoint > presentations). > > I certainly welcome anyone's efforts at encouraging CPN submissions. > Thanks for the help. I do this myself, whenever I see something > interesting. Unfortunately, I think I've realized about a 5% success rate > in this---lots of people say they'd be happy to write articles, but hardly > anyone ever comes through on the pledges. > > However, if you folks are doing something cool, write it up! If you know > of something cool happening, write it up! If you know of a buddy who is > doing something cool, encourage them to write it up! > > I would also encourage you to contact me or Jan before starting some > writing project, to make sure your idea isn't already being replicated by > someone else. I'd hate to recieve an article in the mail, just to open it > and realize that I've got another one on the same topic just about to be > printed. Fortunately, this hasn't happened yet! > > Later folks > > Barry > > ------------------------ > Barry A. Rice, Ph.D. > Carnivorous Plant Newsletter > Conservation Coeditor > barry@carnivorousplants.org > http://www.carnivorousplants.org > > > _______________________________________________ > Cp mailing list > Cp@omnisterra.com > http://omnisterra.com/mailman/listinfo/cp_omnisterra.com ################### From: Cp@omnisterra.com (Mark Todd) Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2003 23:44:39 -0500 Subject: [CP] Carolina Bays and pocosins I was looking at some of the photos from the air of the Carolina Bays and I notice in one pic you can see many of the bays some filled with water but most are not. I didn't notice this before. When you look at the pic you'll see the lakes very easy. look in the same location as the lakes and you'll see the bays without water. For a better look zoom in on some of these. http://www.mapquest.com/maps/map.adp?zoom=5&mapdata=IFf9QlHFUAgWsTsQZXDi3u%2fILKQlpUBgWeBFLSYrRSmDdsblCkwOrnr3bhJ6FPuek%2bbD6KbiFYJWWi8jG1Ll2fHA6vUd5cs2X6vJxoCJ%2fmwerJP6Y%2fYvFQ%2flx1Mm4sM6DN28MI8zO2rcYMRFccspJ%2fdn134N1Hwx4ct4GY5dWGovACYlp66aJcl%2fuQmkQ8TTR%2fdqXRXtEqOKYqzReywXJsQ7DfstEji7u8BMXY2GuT4Ehc1MjncvcaxzB5o8ORQ%2bAykCGCkMaJF9omdMpCunbGdeCCE5wBraV%2flGFqIc15A%3d Paypal is nothing but hightech common thieves. Check out their customer feedback http://www.planetfeedback.com/sharedLettersList/0,2941,101112-70-0-0-20-0-fb_date-desc,00.html Don't become another paypal victim _________________________________________________________________ The new MSN 8: advanced junk mail protection and 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail ################### From: Cp@omnisterra.com (brad) Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2003 22:47:15 -0800 (PST) Subject: [CP] Re: pocosin and carolina bay ? Pocosin and Carolina Bays are very different, but the terms are used interchangably for they often occur together. Pocosins - are freshwater wetlands that are considered unusual swamps in that they are above the surrounding land. They are the headwaters, supplied with water by rain, and the water in them drains away from them slowly. Pocosins have long hydroperiods, temporary surface water, periodic burning, and strongly acidic sandy peat soils. Often pocosins are found within Carolina Bays, but rarely their acreage can be very large and technically several bays can be encompassed by a single pocosin habitat. Carolina Bays - are large elongate elliptical depressions of varying size, 1 acre to many thousand acres, on sandy soil, with a NW to SE axis, and a high sand rim on the SE side. Some Carolina Bays are filled with water so would be called a Bay Lake. The origin of how the Carolina Bays formed is still unknown, and many theories are still being studied. The typical wetland vegetation of Carolina Bays is Pocosin habitat, see above. The most common situation relating to VFT would be that, VFT grow within the Pocosin habitat of a Carolina Bay, but this is just a generalization. The unique topography of the Carolina Bays and the pocosin drainage allows for the precise hydrology that the VFT thrives in. Most of these habitats are nutrient deficient, with the majority of nutrients supplied to the ecosystem by rain. Very confusing stuff, but everything related to the VFT is very interesting and often confusing. Take care, Brad Ventura, California __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Web Hosting - establish your business online http://webhosting.yahoo.com ################### From: Cp@omnisterra.com (Wilden, John {HQ Lpl, LIV BIT, LIV RBS North}) Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2003 11:10:46 -0000 Subject: [CP] test and comment >Pocosin means a swamp on a hill. Wouldn't it roll off? (sorry couldn't resist it!) This is also a test transmission to see if I can post to the list John Wilden Southport Lancs UK ################### From: Cp@omnisterra.com (Steve LaWarre) Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2003 09:23:35 -0500 Subject: [CP] Parasitoids on Sarracenia scale Hey there, I have released Metaphycus (a scale parasitoid) in a few areas and I am = seeing parisitization on the soft scale. I ran across something a bit = different yesterday morning in our Carnivorous Plant House. I have a = soft brown scale that is showing up on the Sarracenia. I was clipping = old pitchers this morning and noticed that I am starting to get = parasitoid activity on the scale. I don't think its Metaphycus however. = Metaphycus will produce only one pupa per scale, thus one exit hole. I = am seeing multiple exit holes and in some of the scale I can see = distinct chambers within the scale host. Any ideas as to what species of = wasp I'm seeing? Thanks, Steve LaWarre Grower Frederik Meijer Gardens=20 & Sculpture Park Grand Rapids MI 49525 ################### From: Cp@omnisterra.com (Cp@omnisterra.com) Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2003 09:38:06 -0500 Subject: [CP] Encouraging CPN submissions Great. I heard it was tested in Florida, and I could not figure out where they would do that with minimal damage to the flora and fauna, and why they were not testing it in New Mexico or whatnot. That really sours my day, but thanks for letting me know. Regards, Joe Griffin Lincoln, NE USA In a message dated 3/11/2003 8:19:20 PM Eastern Standard Time, stovehouse@earthlink.net writes: > > > I would like to write about the "mother of all bombs" being tested at Elgin > today and the "mother" wiped out 90% of the remaining S. rubra gulfensis > populations, as well this "mother" put a ton of other natural wildlife > butts in the dirt. Elgin was once the Choctawhatchee National Forest, > consisting of some 384,000 acres. Thankfully it was decided in 1940 this > area would be better used as a proving ground and the area was ceded by the > US Forestry Service . The area is still rich in wildlife and some > would say without the AFB this area would be all pulp land and cheap service > industries reaching the beaches and Country Club,....just like all other > National Forest.. > > I can continue this story after I finish drinking the "mother of all drinks" > .... > > Mike > St. Petersburg Florida > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Barry A. Rice" > To: > Sent: Tuesday, March 11, 2003 6:22 PM > Subject: [CP] Encouraging CPN submissions > > > > > > Hey Guys, > > > > Just a quick hello (when I should be working on these dang powerpoint > > presentations). > > > > I certainly welcome anyone's efforts at encouraging CPN submissions. > > Thanks for the help. I do this myself, whenever I see something > > interesting. Unfortunately, I think I've realized about a 5% success rate > > in this---lots of people say they'd be happy to write articles, but hardly > > anyone ever comes through on the pledges. > > > > However, if you folks are doing something cool, write it up! If you know > > of something cool happening, write it up! If you know of a buddy who is > > doing something cool, encourage them to write it up! > > > > I would also encourage you to contact me or Jan before starting some > > writing project, to make sure your idea isn't already being replicated by > > someone else. I'd hate to recieve an article in the mail, just to open it > > and realize that I've got another one on the same topic > just about to be > > printed. Fortunately, this hasn't happened yet! > > > > Later folks > > > > Barry > > > > ------------------------ > > Barry A. Rice, Ph.D. > > Carnivorous Plant Newsletter > > Conservation Coeditor > > barry@carnivorousplants.org > > http://www.carnivorousplants.org > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Cp mailing list > > Cp@omnisterra.com > > http://omnisterra.com/mailman/listinfo/cp_omnisterra.com > > > _______________________________________________ > Cp mailing list > Cp@omnisterra.com > http://omnisterra.com/mailman/listinfo/cp_omnisterra.com ################### From: Cp@omnisterra.com (Chris Teichreb) Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2003 08:07:44 -0800 Subject: [CP] Parasitoids on Sarracenia scale Steve, When you say Metaphycus, I'm assuming the species you have is M. helvolus. I remember back in my university days these wasps being released in the greenhouse for the same purpose. We often saw multiple exit holes in some of the scale and never found any other paristic wasp species. Of course from the growers perspective who cares what species it is, as long as they're killing off the scale :)! Cheers! Chris -- Chris Teichreb http://www.geocities.com/VCPC2000 (Vancouver Carnivorous Plant Club) > >Hey there, > >I have released Metaphycus (a scale parasitoid) in a few areas and I am >seeing parisitization on the soft scale. I ran across something a bit >different yesterday morning in our Carnivorous Plant House. I have a soft >brown scale that is showing up on the Sarracenia. I was clipping old >pitchers this morning and noticed that I am starting to get parasitoid >activity on the scale. I don't think its Metaphycus however. Metaphycus >will produce only one pupa per scale, thus one exit hole. I am seeing >multiple exit holes and in some of the scale I can see distinct chambers >within the scale host. Any ideas as to what species of wasp I'm seeing? > >Thanks, > >Steve LaWarre >Grower >Frederik Meijer Gardens >& Sculpture Park >Grand Rapids MI 49525 > >_______________________________________________ >Cp mailing list >Cp@omnisterra.com >http://omnisterra.com/mailman/listinfo/cp_omnisterra.com _________________________________________________________________ Help STOP SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail ################### From: Cp@omnisterra.com (Steve LaWarre) Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2003 12:06:01 -0500 Subject: [CP] Parasitoids on Sarracenia scale Hey Chris, >=20 > Steve, >=20 > When you say Metaphycus, I'm assuming the species you have is M.=20 > helvolus. I remember back in my university days these wasps=20 > being released=20 > in the greenhouse for the same purpose.=20 Yep, That's the one. Metaphycus helvolus does a great job of cleaning up = brown soft scale for us. > We often saw=20 > multiple exit holes in=20 > some of the scale and never found any other patristic wasp species. I bet you had some form of "volunteer" wasp working for you. This often = happens, especially if your working with a chemically "clean" = greenhouse. I have talked to the people who commercially rear these = wasps and they have confirmed the Metaphycus produce one pupa per scale. = Let me know if you find out differently. =20 =20 > Of course from the growers perspective who cares what=20 > species it is, as=20 > long as they're killing off the scale :)! >=20 That's true, but I'm too curious. I also would like to encourage this = wasp in other areas, so I want to find out what it is. > Cheers! >=20 > Chris Thanks, Steve > > > >Hey there, > > > >I have released Metaphycus (a scale parasitoid) in a few=20 > areas and I am=20 > >seeing parisitization on the soft scale. I ran across=20 > something a bit=20 > >different yesterday morning in our Carnivorous Plant House.=20 > I have a soft=20 > >brown scale that is showing up on the Sarracenia. I was clipping old=20 > >pitchers this morning and noticed that I am starting to get=20 > parasitoid=20 > >activity on the scale. I don't think its Metaphycus however.=20 > Metaphycus=20 > >will produce only one pupa per scale, thus one exit hole. I=20 > am seeing=20 > >multiple exit holes and in some of the scale I can see=20 > distinct chambers=20 > >within the scale host. Any ideas as to what species of wasp=20 > I'm seeing? > > > >Thanks, > > > >Steve LaWarre > >Grower > >Frederik Meijer Gardens > >& Sculpture Park > >Grand Rapids MI 49525 ################### From: Cp@omnisterra.com (Sundew) Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2003 15:02:07 -0500 Subject: [CP] re: Encouraging CPN submissions Hi Mike, Sounds like an excellent article - if its published, perhaps you could send it to some environmental groups. I too wonder why they didn't just do it in the middle of the desert - isn't that where they usual test bombs? (Though this is not to say that cacti or whatever other stubborn organisms would be present in the desert don't deserve to live any less) Maybe they killed a few Sarracenia poachers along with the countless plants and animals? Does anyone know how much money this little test / demonstration cost us all? And what was the radius effected by this bomb? Is it possible that the plants in this area would regenerate over time much like they would if there had been a forest fire? Matt > I would like to write about the "mother of all bombs" being tested at Elgin > today and the "mother" wiped out 90% of the remaining S. rubra gulfensis > populations, as well this "mother" put a ton of other natural wildlife > butts in the dirt. Elgin was once the Choctawhatchee National Forest, > consisting of some 384,000 acres. Thankfully it was decided in 1940 this > area would be better used as a proving ground and the area was ceded by the > US Forestry Service . The area is still rich in wildlife and some > would say without the AFB this area would be all pulp land and cheap service > industries reaching the beaches and Country Club,....just like all other > National Forest.. > > I can continue this story after I finish drinking the "mother of all drinks" > .... > > Mike > St. Petersburg Florida > -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= -=-=-= SundewMatt: Carnivorous Plant Grower Since 1984 DEDICATED TO THE CULTIVATION AND PRESERVATION OF DROSERA I am always looking for new contacts living in or travelling to Africa, South America or other tropical / subtropical places. Please visit my website at http://www.sundewgrower.com -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= -=-=-= -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- SundewMatt: Carnivorous Plant Grower Since 1984 DEDICATED TO THE CULTIVATION AND PRESERVATION OF DROSERA I am always looking for new contacts living in or travelling to Africa, South America or other tropical / subtropical places. Please visit my website at http://www.sundewgrower.com -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- ################### From: Cp@omnisterra.com (Robert Ziemer) Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2003 13:28:02 -0800 Subject: [CP] Mother of all Bombs You can read about this 21,000-pound bomb at http://www.cnn.com/2003/US/03/11/sprj.irq.moab/index.html http://www.usatoday.com/news/world/iraq/2003-03-11-us-bomb-test_x.htm at USA Today, you can even watch a video of the bomb explosion. Florida CPs beware. A 30,000-pound bomb (BigBLU) will be available soon. ################### From: Cp@omnisterra.com (Philippe NAMOUR) Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2003 06:56:16 +0100 Subject: [CP] Carolina Bays and pocosin (summary) Hi All here is the summary of the received mails I agree with Chris, Carolina bays are geomrophologic structures which the=20 origin is discussed (I have a new (?) theories, see low) whereas the=20 pocosins are functional units : ombrophilic bogs built on the Carolina bays. Carolina bays resemble geological formations named "palses" (or=20 "mardelles") in France. It's a periglacial formation. During the glaciation= =20 some ice lenses are formed in the ground by segregation of water in the=20 perigelisol causing a hillock of 2 =E0 4 m height and 100 m diameter. At the= =20 end of glaciation the ice lens melts and forms a oval or round depression=20 bordered by a kind of edge of 1 m high. The rain fills this basin and the=20 peat settles. We can see active palses in scandinavian countries (and in Canada and=20 Alaska I suppose) and fossil structures in Belgium (Ardennes,=20 Hautes-Fagnes, with fagne=3Dsphaigne (Fr)=3D sphagnum (L)) and in France=20 (Touraine). Is this theory plausible? Which was the climatic conditions in Carolinas during the glaciations? In which type of zone in pocosin grow the VFT? Only on the ridges of bays?= =20 or everywhere where the ground is sunny and wet? You have it guess, I try to make me an exact idea of the VFT original= biotope Pocosin ou poquosin is a raised bog, a bog fed only by the rains without=20 any connection with the hydrographic network. The translation in french is= =20 "tourbiere bombee" or "Haut-marais" thank you for your assistance Philippe ################### From: Cp@omnisterra.com (Jan Schlauer) Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2003 11:14:58 +0100 Subject: [CP] cp cultivars/descriptions Dear Chris, > On an interesting note for other cp growers, according to the rules, > cultivar descriptions can be published in something as simple as your > local cp club's newsletter (correct me if I'm wrong on this Jan). You are perfectly right here. *Any* printed publication that reaches cp growers (the more growers the better, of course) is suitable for cp cultivar descriptions. > So, > if you think that it will take too long to print in CPN, this is an > option. Personally (again, personal opinion!), I would much rather > publish a cultivar description in CPN as this reaches a wider audience > and is a much better publication then most local club newsletters. If the description and name are not published in CPN it is strongly recommended that the ICPS registrar (yours truly) is informed about the publication so the name can be registered. Registration with the appropriate ICRA serves the purpose of having *one* central database (International Register) from which *all* relevant information on cultivars in the respective "denomination class" (in our case cps) can be retrieved. I do have access to some but not to all journals of local cp societies, so I could easily miss a description published in one of the journals not available to me. Kind regards Jan ################### From: Cp@omnisterra.com (Marcus Rossberg) Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2003 10:55:51 -0000 Subject: [CP] Re: vft cultivars Jan wrote: > VFTs without established cultivar names are grown under the "nicknames" > "Cup Trap" and "Pom Pom", respectively. FWIW, I know of three people who had "Pom Pom" VFTs. The plants emerged independently from each other. All were TC accidents. All plants went back to normal growth after some time, a year or so. Doesn't seem to be cultivar material. Best wishes, Marcus ################### From: Cp@omnisterra.com (Steven Stewart) Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2003 08:17:59 -0500 Subject: [CP] Parasitoids Sarracenia scale Hello Steve &all I agree with Chris, Metaphycus helvolus and other parasitoids can be very diverse in size and breeding habits, depending on the soft scale it has to work with. I have seen many parasitoids change considerably in size and habit when the host numbers are becoming low, or mature scale or mealybugs are difficult to find, as is often the case in Sarracenia. I have a (not great) photo of what I was told was this species of wasp doing exactly what you are saying. I sent aspirated wasp individuals to be identified by an entomologist that specializes in IPM. Of course you should have your individuals identified if you want to know for sure. Take care, Steve Stewart > Message: 3 > Subject: RE: [CP] Parasitoids on Sarracenia scale > Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2003 12:06:01 -0500 > From: "Steve LaWarre" > To: > Reply-To: Cp@omnisterra.com When you say Metaphycus, I'm assuming the species you have is M. helvolus. I remember back in my university days these wasps being released in the greenhouse for the same purpose. > > Yep, That's the one. Metaphycus helvolus does a great job of cleaning up brown soft scale for us. We often saw multiple exit holes in some of the scale and never found any other patristic wasp species. I bet you had some form of "volunteer" wasp working for you. This often happens, especially if your working with a chemically "clean" greenhouse. I have talked to the people who commercially rear these wasps and they have confirmed the Metaphycus produce one pupa per scale. Let me know if you find out differently. Of course from the growers perspective who cares what species it is, as long as they're killing off the scale :)! > > That's true, but I'm too curious. I also would like to encourage this wasp in other areas, so I want to find out what it is. > > > Cheers! > > Chris > > Thanks, > > Steve ################### From: Cp@omnisterra.com (Jan Schlauer) Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2003 15:19:14 +0100 Subject: [CP] Re: vft cultivars Dear Marcus, > FWIW, I know of three people who had "Pom Pom" VFTs. The plants emerged > independently from each other. All were TC accidents. > All plants went back to normal growth after some time, a year or so. > Doesn't seem to be cultivar material. Thank you very much for this information. I guess this explains pretty well why this "cultivar" is supposed to be rare. Perhaps someone should tell this to Tom Johnson, owner of http://www.dionea.homestead.com/ Kind regards Jan ################### From: Cp@omnisterra.com (Sundew) Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2003 10:02:47 -0500 Subject: [CP] test message please ignore ################### From: Cp@omnisterra.com (Cp@omnisterra.com) Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2003 15:28:52 -0500 Subject: [CP] Venus Fly Traps Just to go back to the Venus fly trap flower cutting question quickly. As I learned from the discussion, cutting the flower off is basically a myth. So I'd just like to double check, if the plant wasn't in good condition to begin with, would it be trying to send up a flower? I've always been taught with plants that if they are flowering, you must be doing something right! Does that logic also apply to carnivorous plants as well, VFTs specifically? I think it would, but I'd just like someone else's opinion too, as someone mentioned the Sarracenias sending up flower stalks during a drought just to pass on their genes for the next generation to survive, while the parent dies due to the drought. Thanks to all :o) ~Christine & Lucy the Giant Schnauzer ################### From: Cp@omnisterra.com (Cp@omnisterra.com) Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2003 16:00:23 -0500 Subject: [CP] Re: Mother of All Bombs When I visited Eglin AFB (CPers can obtain a day-use pass if they want to go exploring inside the boundaries) it seemed (at least from casual and certainly not comprehensive observation) that the testing ranges (bombing, tank ordnance, etc.) were (1) quite open (i.e. devoid of much of anything in the way of vegetation, carnivorous or otherwise) and (2) quite well marked (i.e. off limits to wildlife enthusiasts). They seemed to be quite open and grassy areas, as opposed to the creekside thickets of S. leucophylla that I saw on the base. I'm certainly not calling the US Air Force a pack of wild conservationists by any means, but from what I could tell, the best CP habitat seemed to be pretty well preserved for recreation, not devastation. Anyone have a different experience? I'd love to hear opposing viewpoints. Jay Lechtman Virginia, USA ################### From: Cp@omnisterra.com (Steve LaWarre) Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2003 16:44:36 -0500 Subject: [CP] Venus Fly Traps Hey there Christine, =20 > Just to go back to the Venus fly trap flower cutting question=20 > quickly. As I learned from the discussion, cutting the=20 > flower off is basically a myth. So I'd just like to double=20 > check, if the plant wasn't in good condition to begin with,=20 > would it be trying to send up a flower? Its quite possible that an unhealthy VFT would be sending up a flower. = Flowering in VFT's is controlled predominantly by day length (night = length actually). I have seen many an unhappy VFT under those little = domes at the home improvement stores sending up flowers.=20 >=20 > I've always been taught with plants that if they are=20 > flowering, you must be doing something right! This is often true, but often not. Many plants will flower only if grown = well or satisfied with the right conditions. Others will flower at the = end of their life cycle or when under stress. Its hard to lump all = plants into a black and white rule. Most of it is gray area. > Does that=20 > logic also apply to carnivorous plants as well, VFTs=20 > specifically? I think it would, but I'd just like someone=20 > else's opinion too, as someone mentioned the Sarracenias=20 > sending up flower stalks during a drought just to pass on=20 > their genes for the next generation to survive, while the=20 > parent dies due to the drought. If you have a newer VFT that has never gone through successful dormancy = for you. My recommendation would still be to cut off the flower... >=20 > Thanks to all :o) > ~Christine & Lucy the Giant Schnauzer Hope that helps. Steve LaWarre Grand Rapids, MI ################### From: Cp@omnisterra.com (Emre Yildirim) Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2003 16:15:41 -0600 (CST) Subject: [CP] Venus Fly Traps > > If you have a newer VFT that has never gone through successful dormancy > for you. My recommendation would still be to cut off the flower... My VFT's also seem to be flowering. I'm a bit confused on why this is happening. They are very young (maybe 8 months), and still small. I recently had insects in my pot, so I sprayed them with malathion.. but I mixed the solution too strong, and the edges of the leaves turned brown. They seemed to have recovered; but I was unsure whether or not this is caused by stress or the insecticide. If your theory is right, e.g. they either bloom because of right conditions or stress [at the end of their life cycle], then I hope mine are blooming because of the right conditions. They've been getting at least 5 hours of direct light from a high intensity lamp, everyday. I also use Superthrive, which is a hormone/vitamin supplement. All but three of my VFTs are flowering, and I don't know if I should cut off the bulb or leave it. I want to get seeds from these and try to grow VFTs outside. Will they die if I leave the flower on them? Let me mention again, that these are very young plants; the longest leaves are probably 2 inches. I haven't seen any slowdown in growth so far (even with the stem coming out of the middle), in fact, more and more traps and leaves are developing, and each of them is bigger than the old ones. What should I do? Thanks (P.S.: Does anyone have any ideas on what determines the trap color? I've heard rumors that if you starve the plant, it will turn the traps into a darker and stronger red to attract more insects. If you overfeed it, they will stay green and be sluggish. There are other rumors that mention pH values in the soil. Others say that if the plant is in the sun all the time, the traps will be red. Does anyone know more about this?) ################### From: Cp@omnisterra.com (Christopher Armstrong) Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2003 18:07:42 -0500 Subject: [CP] flower on fresh nepenthes cutting Hello all, I made a few cuttings on an N. maxima x mixta a bout a month and a half ago. The cutting that was the tip of the vine has rooted and is sending up a flower stock now. It is a small cutting; the leaves are only a couple of inches each, and it is at most 6 in. tall. What the heck should I do? Will the flowers be viable? Regards, Jonathan Armstrong ################### From: Cp@omnisterra.com (Christopher Armstrong) Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2003 18:21:27 -0500 Subject: [CP] N. northiana's potting medium Hello all, I have gone through the archives and looked at what people recommended for N. northiana's potting mix. There seems to be two basic types: acidic, and non-acidic. Has anyone tried combining them in an attempt to imitate the plant's natural environment (limestone with sphagnum growing on top). When I repot mine I'm thinking about getting a limestone rock and putting it at the bottom of the pot, then putting a non-acidic medium around the rock (maybe with some powdered limestone too), then putting some combination of long-fibered sphagnum moss, orchid chips, and peat moss on top of that. Does anyone think that would work or would the limestone just be taking up room in the pot? ################### From: Cp@omnisterra.com (Robert Ziemer) Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2003 16:07:21 -0800 Subject: [CP] re: Venus Fly Traps flowering I have also been interested in this discussion about cutting flowers from VFTs. Nearly all of the contributions seem to be based on hear-say rather than controlled experimentation. Steve LaWarre seems to be the exception. On 27 Feb he wrote: > I let a batch of VFT's (about a dozen or so) flower every year so > the public can see the flowers. These VFT's are grown right next to > the others that get disbudded. The disbudded VFT's come on a bit > faster and start producing summer traps quicker, but by the end of > the season, after old flower stalks are cut off, you can't tell the > difference between the two. I do think you can grow flytraps to a > larger size in fewer seasons by disbudding, but I don't find that > flowering will kill a healthy plant by any means. I would be interested in seeing other reports of controlled experiments where VFTs are grown side-by-side under identical conditions, except that some plants have their flowers removed and some are allowed to let their flowers mature. In another experiment, VFTs could be grown under optimal conditions while others are stressed to the point of dying, with some having flowers removed and others retaining flowers. Has anyone done this experiment? -Bob Ziemer- http://www.humboldt.edu/~rrz7001/ ################### From: Cp@omnisterra.com (Dave Evans) Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2003 18:50:48 -0500 Subject: [CP] Re: Sarracenia flowers out of season. Dear Christine, I'm not sure how well that theory holds up... _Sarracenia_ seed take a long time to grow and ripen. I do not think they would have time to produce the seed if they flower out of season. I would think that if a plant of the genus is flowering at the wrong time, it is probably because confusing weather, like it being too warm late in the fall, making the plant (or at least the flower bud) think it's become spring. If your VFT looks healthy, then it should be able to flower and, if you help it, make some seed for the next generation. Dave Evans New Jersey, USA www.dangerousplants.com ----- Original Message ----- To: Sent: Thursday, March 13, 2003 3:28 PM > Just to go back to the Venus fly trap flower cutting question quickly. As I learned from the discussion, cutting the flower off is basically a myth. So I'd just like to double check, if the plant wasn't in good condition to begin with, would it be trying to send up a flower? > > I've always been taught with plants that if they are flowering, you must be doing something right! Does that logic also apply to carnivorous plants as well, VFTs specifically? I think it would, but I'd just like someone else's opinion too, as someone mentioned the Sarracenias sending up flower stalks during a drought just to pass on their genes for the next generation to survive, while the parent dies due to the drought. ################### From: Cp@omnisterra.com (kinyon) Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2003 16:35:38 -0800 Subject: [CP] Utricularia sandersonii Eye candy, I put the blooming evil bunny flower on my web cam for the next 24 hours at http://goof.camarades.com See it growing live! Non stop excitement!(heh) Like watching paint dry or reading about squirrel fishing! Joe ################### From: Cp@omnisterra.com ({USER_FIRSTNAME} {USER_LASTNAME}) Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2003 21:41:47 -0500 Subject: [CP] Venus Fly Traps Well I disagree with the VFT flowering myth. I have several hundred flytraps flowering now, and none of them are putting up traps while the blooms mature rapidly. This is if the myth is to the fact that the flower draws energy from the plant. Its no myth that the flower zaps energy in its rapid production. While the plant flowers it does stop production of traps, so the energy used to produce new leaves is being used to support the flower stalk and bloom. Rather the long term effect on the plant throughout the rest of the year decreases stored energy for nice growth I don't know. But I strongly suspect that it could have a effect, on the overall plant. Maybe not in size so much as to the amount. This year just like every other year since 1974 I have plucked flowers on VFT that appear on weaker plants, and that leads into the second question > I've always been taught with plants that if they are flowering, you must be doing something right! Does that logic also apply to carnivorous plants as well, VFTs specifically? I think it would, but I'd just like someone else's opinion too, as someone mentioned the Sarracenias sending up flower stalks during a drought just to pass on their genes for the next generation to survive, while the parent dies due to the drought. ...I agree with that line of thought, you got to be doing something right if the plants are flowering if you have had them for a season or two and they regularly bloom within a certain time frame. You see after having them throughout a season or 2 you have proven you can match natures cycle. Now obtaining a plant and it flowers 3 months later proves nothing towards you as the grower doing anything right, in fact it could prove you are doing things wrong. If it flowers out of natural cycle because of some cultural guideline you are doing out of synch with the natural growth & rest cycle. haha,...I mentioned the plants wanting to pass on the genes to the next generation, but what has this to do with potted plants under our skillful hands??? Carnivorous plants you mention above are all herbaceous wildflower perennials, the same as many thousands of other types of plants, they act the same in respect to any other native wildflowers from a similar habitat. They are no different, they are native plants to this Earth. If its a plant, a bullfrog, or a hedge hog the goal is the same to reproduce the species, nothing more and nothing else...nothing else is as important, and this is the only goal of all living things. Once done there is no other reason for nature to keep it (including us) alive. Regards, Mike' St. Petersburg Florida ################### From: Cp@omnisterra.com ({USER_FIRSTNAME} {USER_LASTNAME}) Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2003 21:51:50 -0500 Subject: [CP] Re: Mother of All Bombs Yes Jay I was out there taking a picture of a lonely P. pumila when a stink bomb was set off directly behind me, this stink bomb caused others to run but not me, as I needed the shot..... I was bent over that little plant without falter on hand and knees, butt arched out to the world to blow up!!! I had my camera. The crater was extreme and blasted a hole that covered 500 acres, a terrible stink bomb but I felt nothing face forward, I departed the area and met up with my group and they were waving me off and said that's the last time they would eat Mexican with me before going into the field. The moral of the story is maybe you read more into some things than is required. (Of course the "mother" spared certain lucky areas, it was the intent to draw public attention to the blast in a more heavily populated portion of the Country when compared to the remote area 51 or the open expanse of the Ocean). Kind of like the kid who has a $1,500 -89 Honda CRX with a $5,000 stereo blasting Rap music, ...HEY LOOK AT ME!!! Also since 9-11 all US military bases do not offer the same passes as prior, and most are not opened to the public as before such as Avon Park bombing range in Florida or Elgin Mike St. Petersburg Florida ----- Original Message ----- To: Sent: Thursday, March 13, 2003 4:00 PM > When I visited Eglin AFB (CPers can obtain a day-use pass if they want to go exploring inside the boundaries) it seemed (at least from casual and certainly not comprehensive observation) that the testing ranges (bombing, tank ordnance, etc.) were (1) quite open (i.e. devoid of much of anything in the way of vegetation, carnivorous or otherwise) and (2) quite well marked (i.e. off limits to wildlife enthusiasts). They seemed to be quite open and grassy areas, as opposed to the creekside thickets of S. leucophylla that I saw on the base. I'm certainly not calling the US Air Force a pack of wild conservationists by any means, but from what I could tell, the best CP habitat seemed to be pretty well preserved for recreation, not devastation. > > Anyone have a different experience? I'd love to hear opposing viewpoints. > > Jay Lechtman > Virginia, USA > > _______________________________________________ > Cp mailing list > Cp@omnisterra.com > http://omnisterra.com/mailman/listinfo/cp_omnisterra.com ################### From: Cp@omnisterra.com ({USER_FIRSTNAME} {USER_LASTNAME}) Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2003 22:08:13 -0500 Subject: [CP] Re: Sarracenia flowers out of season. Dave, Sarracenia can produce seed out of season from fall blooms, though my experience shows here its not as much as in the spring, still very common to harvest seed off of plants that bloom in the fall when the fruit is ripe in March, again numbers are not huge. I have collected seeds this week from fall flowers from S. purpurea venosa, S. x catesbaei. > I'm not sure how well that theory holds up... _Sarracenia_ seed take a > long time to grow and ripen. I do not think they would have time to produce > the seed if they flower out of season. ... As for the other question how long to ripen,... Normally I cut the flowers that bloomed and were pollinated in April or May way before the seed pods brown, which can take forever. I can cut them in late July or more likely August. They are still very green. I dry the seed and harvest in Oct or Nov, and they are good. However,..... A pollinated flower with fruit on a damaged plant that is dying will ripen the fruit very rapidly. In this case a flower pollinated in May, but the mother plant its attached to dies or is severely stressed in June or July just a month later will ripen quickly, it will have ready seed shortly after the plant dies, or at least a good amount of the seed will be mature and ready to go next season. I would think that if a plant of the > genus is flowering at the wrong time, it is probably because confusing > weather, like it being too warm late in the fall, making the plant (or at > least the flower bud) think it's become spring. ...good points I agree with, stress such as drought, but I think something else confuses some Sarracenia and that is in late summer the day light cycle equals the early spring cycle and this confusion leads to plants blooming again even if the season is normal climatically. More than temperatures which are very high in later summer its once again a decreasing daylight that causes some plants to bloom. With the warm weather I see here every year for S. rubra alabamensis, and every late August or Sept they bloom though very wet and temps in the 90's with nighttime lows in the 70's this plant blooms routinely every late summer, which isn't that late here. However they fail to bloom in the spring the following season, until this year. The same plants that bloomed in Sept are now throwing them up again now, this is the first time in many moons. The difference was a killing freeze and I suspect the cold temperatures aided in new bud development for spring when combined with the same amount of daylight the plants experience during the declining hours of late summer. Take care, Mike St. Petersburg Florida ################### From: Cp@omnisterra.com (Douglas Bertelsen) Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2003 21:38:20 -0600 Subject: [CP] Re: Venus Fly Traps flowering Just another bit of info to add. I've noticed that if you cut the flower stalk short enough, it tends to dry out and cause the growth point to divide into two or more new plants. It seems to happen about half the time or more. Doug ################### From: Cp@omnisterra.com (Bryan & Leslie Lorber) Date: Fri, 14 Mar 2003 08:41:56 -0500 Subject: [CP] Slack book Hello CPers: Can someone please tell me if $35.00 (U.S.) is a fair price to pay for Slack's book "Insect Eating Plant and How to Grow Them"? It's the 1988 paperback edition and the condition is almost new (near fine). Thanks, Bryan Charlotte, Vermont ################### From: Cp@omnisterra.com (Steve LaWarre) Date: Fri, 14 Mar 2003 08:56:36 -0500 Subject: [CP] Venus Fly Traps - flowers We are over thinking this. Tis' the season for flowering. The vast = majority of VFT's, if they are on schedule, should be flowering now or = very soon. It's that time of year. Nepenthes are also coming into a big = flowering time. I counted 18 flower spikes on the various nepenthes = stock plants yesterday.=20 > My VFT's also seem to be flowering. I'm a bit confused on why this is > happening. They are very young (maybe 8 months), and still small. I > recently had insects in my pot, so I sprayed them with=20 > malathion.. but I > mixed the solution too strong, and the edges of the leaves=20 > turned brown.=20 > They seemed to have recovered; but I was unsure whether or not this is > caused by stress or the insecticide. VFT's are flowering now because its what they do this time of year. = Again, if your in doubt whether you should leave the flowers on or take = them off, I would say the safest bet for a long-term healthy VFT is to = remove the flowers.=20 >=20 > If your theory is right, e.g. they either bloom because of right > conditions or stress [at the end of their life cycle], then I=20 > hope mine > are blooming because of the right conditions. They've been getting at > least 5 hours of direct light from a high intensity lamp, everyday. I > also use Superthrive, which is a hormone/vitamin supplement. All but > three of my VFTs are flowering, and I don't know if I should=20 > cut off the > bulb or leave it. How about leaving flowers on a few plants and taking them off the rest? = See for yourself what the difference is. =20 > I want to get seeds from these and try to grow VFTs outside. =20 > Will they > die if I leave the flower on them? Let me mention again,=20 > that these are > very young plants; the longest leaves are probably 2 inches. =20 > I haven't > seen any slowdown in growth so far (even with the stem coming=20 > out of the > middle), in fact, more and more traps and leaves are=20 > developing, and each > of them is bigger than the old ones. >=20 You're kind of answering your own question here. Very young plants, but = you want seed. I would leave the flower on a couple plants and pinch the = rest off. > What should I do? >=20 > Thanks >=20 > (P.S.: Does anyone have any ideas on what determines the trap=20 > color? I've > heard rumors that if you starve the plant, it will turn the=20 > traps into a > darker and stronger red to attract more insects. If you=20 > overfeed it, they > will stay green and be sluggish. There are other rumors that=20 > mention pH > values in the soil. Others say that if the plant is in the=20 > sun all the > time, the traps will be red. Does anyone know more about this?) Two main factors in VFT color; Light intensity and genetics. =20 Hope that helps. Steve LaWarre Grand Rapids, MI ################### From: Cp@omnisterra.com (Steve LaWarre) Date: Fri, 14 Mar 2003 09:09:45 -0500 Subject: [CP] flower on fresh nepenthes cutting Hey Jonathan, > I made a few cuttings on an N. maxima x mixta a bout a=20 > month and a half > ago. The cutting that was the tip of the vine has rooted and=20 > is sending up a > flower stock now. It is a small cutting; the leaves are only=20 > a couple of > inches each, and it is at most 6 in. tall. The plant that you cut was a mature flowering size Nepenthes. The tip = cutting still considers it's self a mature Nepenthes because its the = apical meristem, or growth point. Lower cuttings bud out from a lateral = bud and these shoots must grow to maturity before they will flower. =20 >=20 > What the heck should I do? Will the flowers be viable? The flowers will be just as viable as they would have been had you never = taken cuttings. Flowers utilize energy to be produced, but Nepenthes = typically flower with very little adverse affects. I see two options. If = you don't know the sex of your plant, you could let it flower and record = that information for future trades, etc. OR you could cut the flower off = and let the little added energy go the new leaves/traps. I often let = nepenthes cuttings flower just because I'm too lazy to pinch them off = before the flower spike is too big to make a difference anyway. This = doesn't seem to hurt them what-so-ever.=20 >=20 > Regards, Jonathan Armstrong Hope that helps. Steve LaWarre Grand Rapids, MI ################### From: Cp@omnisterra.com (Chris Teichreb) Date: Fri, 14 Mar 2003 07:32:03 -0800 Subject: [CP] Slack book Bryan, If you don't want it, I'll buy it :)! Seriously, $35 isn't too much to ask for this out of print and rarely seen for sale book. Cheers! Chris -- Chris Teichreb http://www.geocities.com/VCPC2000 (Vancouver Carnivorous Plant Club) >From: "Bryan & Leslie Lorber" >Reply-To: Cp@omnisterra.com >To: "CP List" >Subject: [CP] Slack book >Date: Fri, 14 Mar 2003 08:41:56 -0500 > >Hello CPers: >Can someone please tell me if $35.00 (U.S.) is a fair price to pay for >Slack's book >"Insect Eating Plant and How to Grow Them"? It's the 1988 paperback edition >and the condition is almost new (near fine). >Thanks, >Bryan >Charlotte, Vermont > > > >_______________________________________________ >Cp mailing list >Cp@omnisterra.com >http://omnisterra.com/mailman/listinfo/cp_omnisterra.com _________________________________________________________________ MSN 8 with e-mail virus protection service: 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/virus ################### From: Cp@omnisterra.com (Cp@omnisterra.com) Date: Fri, 14 Mar 2003 11:17:17 -0500 Subject: [CP] Slack book Bryan, I paid twice that off of eBay, lol, but mine unexpectedly turned out to be hardback. It's a matter of oppinion, but I would say it was worth it. Regards, Joe Griffin Lincoln, NE USA In a message dated 3/14/2003 10:32:03 AM Eastern Standard Time, cteichreb@hotmail.com writes: > > > Bryan, > > If you don't want it, I'll buy it :)! Seriously, $35 isn't too much to > ask for this out of print and rarely seen for sale book. > > Cheers! > > Chris > > -- > Chris Teichreb > > http://www.geocities.com/VCPC2000 (Vancouver Carnivorous Plant Club) > > > > > >From: "Bryan & Leslie Lorber" > >Reply-To: Cp@omnisterra.com > >To: "CP List" > >Subject: [CP] Slack book > >Date: Fri, 14 Mar 2003 08:41:56 -0500 > > > >Hello CPers: > >Can someone please tell me if $35.00 (U.S.) is a fair price to pay for > >Slack's book > >"Insect Eating Plant and How to Grow Them"? It's the 1988 paperback edition > >and the condition is almost new (near fine). > >Thanks, > >Bryan > >Charlotte, Vermont > > > > > > > >_______________________________________________ > >Cp mailing list > >Cp@omnisterra.com > >http://omnisterra.com/mailman/listinfo/cp_omnisterra.com > > > ____________________________________________________________ > _____ > MSN 8 with e-mail virus protection service: 2 months FREE* > http://join.msn.com/?page=features/virus > > > _______________________________________________ > Cp mailing list > Cp@omnisterra.com > http://omnisterra.com/mailman/listinfo/cp_omnisterra.com ################### From: Cp@omnisterra.com (Cp@omnisterra.com) Date: Fri, 14 Mar 2003 13:19:21 -0500 Subject: [CP] Re: Venus Fly Trap Flowers In a message dated 3/14/2003 8:05:23 AM Central Standard Time, Cp-request@omnisterra.com writes: Tis' the season for flowering. The vast = majority of VFT's, if they are on schedule, should be flowering now or = very soon. It's that time of year. The weather has finally warmed up and we've had a few days straight in the high 70's and lower 80's, the trees are blooming, the spring flowers are blooming, and my allergies are going wild! My VFTs have been outside in the "mini" bog garden the whole winter and are looking fantastic as they have begun sending out there new leaves in massive (well, massive for little flytraps) clumps of fresh new leaves, covering the dead ones which have protected them throughout the winter. Its that exciting time of the year! :o) Now I'm just rooting on the Sarracenias to start "send up some pitchers, send up some flowers," "send up some pitchers, send up some flowers," "send up some pitchers, send up some flowers" just chanting now while enchanted by the new growth on the VFTs :o) Thanks for taking the time to answer the VFT flower question everyone! Christine & Lucy the Giant Schnauzer Great Minds think alike, but Giant Minds think for themselves. ################### From: Cp@omnisterra.com (David Ahrens) Date: Fri, 14 Mar 2003 18:30:04 +0000 Subject: [CP] Slack's book 35 dollars is a great price, grab it quick. This book is extremely rare. Regards, David Ahrens, London _________________________________________________________________ Overloaded with spam? With MSN 8, you can filter it out http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail&pgmarket=en-gb&XAPID=32&DI=1059 ################### From: Cp@omnisterra.com (Cp@omnisterra.com) Date: Fri, 14 Mar 2003 14:23:06 -0500 Subject: [CP] Drosera Seed Stratification Regimine. Hello all, I have recently received several varieties of Drosera seed and I am not quite sure which species do better with stratification treatment. So here is a list of the seed I do have and I would appreciate it if someone could give me some insight. Here it goes Drosera aliciae var sessifolia filliformis ssp fil macrantha ssp planchonnii peltata spatulata f. Kansai I have a list of my current seed projects on my webpage... which is in a constant state of construction. http://nealnagata.com/seedlist.htm Thank You in advance, Neal Nagata, Jr. ################### From: Cp@omnisterra.com (Cp@omnisterra.com) Date: Fri, 14 Mar 2003 14:57:48 -0500 Subject: [CP] Drosera Seed Stratification Regimine. Neal, The D. filiformis is the only seed out of those five that requires stratification(I assume you are talking cold). Regards, Joe Griffin Lincoln, NE USA In a message dated 3/14/2003 2:23:06 PM Eastern Standard Time, neal@nealnagata.com writes: > > > Hello all, > > I have recently received several varieties of Drosera seed and I am not quite > sure which species do better with stratification treatment. So here is a list > of the seed I do have and I would appreciate it if someone could give me some > insight. Here it goes > > Drosera > > aliciae var sessifolia > > filliformis ssp fil > > macrantha ssp planchonnii > > peltata > > spatulata f. Kansai > > I have a list of my current seed projects on my webpage... > which is in a > constant state of construction. > > http://nealnagata.com/seedlist.htm > > Thank You in advance, > > Neal Nagata, Jr. > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Cp mailing list > Cp@omnisterra.com > http://omnisterra.com/mailman/listinfo/cp_omnisterra.com ################### From: Cp@omnisterra.com (Barry A. Rice) Date: Fri, 14 Mar 2003 12:33:06 -0800 (PST) Subject: [CP] Field Report from Florida Hey Folks, I've taken the time to put some photographs up on the web, along with usual snide commentary, as a slide show on http://www.sarracenia.com/faq/faq7603.html These photos describe a few of the recent happenings on a trip I took to peninsular Florida. Please remember that the show is written with tongue often deeply in cheek. I write these things to amuse myself (if no one else, as is often the case), but I hope you enjoy it. Cheers Barry --------------------- Barry Rice, Ph.D. bazza@sarracenia.com Carnivorous Plant FAQ--author www.sarracenia.com/faq.html Carnivorous Plant Newsletter--editor www.carnivorousplants.org ################### From: Cp@omnisterra.com (High4Voltz) Date: Fri, 14 Mar 2003 15:12:26 -0600 Subject: [CP] Utricularia sandersonii I went here and the camera was off. Give us a time that we can log on and be voy..... ummm i mean can look at it.. hehe oh be sure to tell us what time zome you are in. Matt in MN ----- Original Message ----- To: "CP LISTSERVE" Sent: Thursday, March 13, 2003 6:35 PM Eye candy, I put the blooming evil bunny flower on my web cam for the next 24 hours at http://goof.camarades.com See it growing live! Non stop excitement!(heh) Like watching paint dry or reading about squirrel fishing! Joe _______________________________________________ Cp mailing list Cp@omnisterra.com http://omnisterra.com/mailman/listinfo/cp_omnisterra.com ################### From: Cp@omnisterra.com (Aaron Hicks) Date: Fri, 14 Mar 2003 14:18:14 -0700 Subject: [CP] Bombing "Sundew" queried thusly: >Sounds like an excellent article - if its published, perhaps you could >send it to some environmental groups. I too wonder why they didn't just do >it in the middle of the desert - isn't that where they usual test bombs? >(Though this is not to say that cacti or whatever other stubborn organisms >would be present in the desert don't deserve to live any less) Back in New Mexico, I worked at an explosives testing range. It was only 32 square miles, so we weren't into the big stuff. The largest shot I personally observed was 1 metric ton of TNT. Very expensive stuff. (MOAB used tritonal, which is aluminized TNT- VERY expensive, versus the BLU-82, which uses cheap-cheap ammonium nitrate + aluminum, held together with styrene as a binder.) This was all near White Sands Missile Range; I could drive to Stallion Gate and not think twice of it. The twice annual pigrimage to Trinity wasn't too bad a drive; I made it two (or three) times. The whole reason I bring this up is Escobaria sandbergii, an otherwise obscure cactus that is known from precisely two locations at the southern end of White Sands Missile Range. Stallion Gate was a 30 minute drive; the south end of the range was 2-3 hours. That's how big WSMR is. I was able to reach the WSMR wildlife biologist (whose duties included a bunch of different tasks, from ensuring the horses had water to counting lizards), and he was kind enough to allow me and some people I didn't know to view the plants in situ. Both colonies exist in a very small region, one population on each side of a small hill. A large plane crash could take out either population. Despite this, the plant is not federally or state listed as endangered. Quite simply put, it's safer where it is than if it were public or private land. There is no safer place for the species than on a bombing range. How ironic. Fortunately, the species resides near the margin of the range, and is most unlikely to be targeted during any exercises. Even then, the locations are known, and exercises would be given a wide berth around the known locations. They're quite safe. It is most unfortunate that similar considerations were not given to the sarracenias as regards to MOAB. A bomb as large as that should have been tested out west. However, the test was performed with sensationalism in mind, rather than practicality. Plus, hauling out to any of the (much larger) bombing ranges out west would have cost a few bucks- a rare consideration these days with military spending and the federal government, so I consider it unlikely. -Aaron J. Hicks Chandler, AZ _________________________________________________________________ Protect your PC - get McAfee.com VirusScan Online http://clinic.mcafee.com/clinic/ibuy/campaign.asp?cid=3963 ################### From: Cp@omnisterra.com (Cp@omnisterra.com) Date: Fri, 14 Mar 2003 16:28:38 -0500 Subject: [CP] Field Report from Florida Barry, That is a wonderful little trip! Amazing what there is in the US in some spots during February while some of us are under snow and freezing, lol. The tree snake was of the yellow rat snake group. Some specimens more orange in the Everglades area are called Everglades ratsnakes, but to me it looks like a yellow. The watersnakes(from what I can tell) look like dark specimens of the Florida green watersnake. The brown water snake is blotched(I did not notice significant blotching) and the Florida banded is, well, banded. In many snake species the male is smaller than the female, and I would guess the "nudger" was actually the male. It may be mating season down there, who knows? If I mis-ID'd the snakes, someone let me know. Kind of a hobby back from my childhood(still ongoing). Regards, Joe Griffin Lincoln, NE USA In a message dated 3/14/2003 3:33:06 PM Eastern Standard Time, bamrice@ucdavis.edu writes: > > > > Hey Folks, > > I've taken the time to put some photographs up on the web, along with > usual snide commentary, as a slide show on > http://www.sarracenia.com/faq/faq7603.html > > These photos describe a few of the recent happenings on a trip I took to > peninsular Florida. > > Please remember that the show is written with tongue often deeply in > cheek. I write these things to amuse myself (if no one > else, as is often > the case), but I hope you enjoy it. > > Cheers > > Barry > > --------------------- > Barry Rice, Ph.D. > bazza@sarracenia.com > Carnivorous Plant FAQ--author > www.sarracenia.com/faq.html > Carnivorous Plant Newsletter--editor > www.carnivorousplants.org > > > > _______________________________________________ > Cp mailing list > Cp@omnisterra.com > http://omnisterra.com/mailman/listinfo/cp_omnisterra.com ################### From: Cp@omnisterra.com (Cp@omnisterra.com) Date: Fri, 14 Mar 2003 16:34:07 -0500 Subject: [CP] Bombing Aaron and List, Good stuff. Are they going to drop lots more bombs here, or is this a scenario where the native CP could be re-seeded from grower's collections(location material)? Regards, Joe Griffin Lincoln, NE USA In a message dated 3/14/2003 4:18:14 PM Eastern Standard Time, osp001@hotmail.com writes: > > > > "Sundew" queried thusly: > > >Sounds like an excellent article - if its published, perhaps you could > >send it to some environmental groups. I too wonder why they didn't just do > >it in the middle of the desert - isn't that where they usual test bombs? > >(Though this is not to say that cacti or whatever other stubborn organisms > >would be present in the desert don't deserve to live any less) > > Back in New Mexico, I worked at an explosives testing range. It was > only 32 square miles, so we weren't into the big stuff. The largest shot I > personally observed was 1 metric ton of TNT. Very expensive stuff. (MOAB > used tritonal, which is aluminized TNT- VERY expensive, versus the BLU-82, > which uses cheap-cheap ammonium nitrate + aluminum, held together with > styrene as a binder.) > > This was all near White Sands Missile Range; I could drive to Stallion > Gate and not think twice of it. The twice annual pigrimage to Trinity wasn't > too bad a drive; I made it two (or three) times. > > The whole reason I bring this up is Escobaria sandbergii, an otherwise > obscure cactus that is known from precisely two locations at the southern > end of White Sands Missile Range. Stallion Gate was a 30 minute drive; the > south end of the range was 2-3 hours. That's how big WSMR is. I was able to > reach the WSMR wildlife biologist (whose duties included a bunch of > different tasks, from ensuring the horses had water to counting lizards), > and he was kind enough to allow me and some people I didn't know to view the > plants in situ. > > Both colonies exist in a very small region, one population on each side > of a small hill. A large plane crash could take out either population. > Despite this, the plant is not federally or state listed as endangered. > Quite simply put, it's safer where it is than if it were public or private > land. There is no safer place for the species than on a bombing range. How > ironic. > > Fortunately, the species resides near the margin of the range, and is > most unlikely to be targeted during any exercises. Even then, the locations > are known, and exercises would be given a wide berth around the known > locations. They're quite safe. > > It is most unfortunate that similar considerations were not given to > the sarracenias as regards to MOAB. A bomb as large as that should have been > tested out west. However, the test was performed with sensationalism in > mind, rather than practicality. Plus, hauling out to any of the (much > larger) bombing ranges out west would have cost a few bucks- a rare > consideration these days with military spending and the federal government, > so I consider it unlikely. > > -Aaron J. Hicks > Chandler, AZ > > > ____________________________________________________________ > _____ > Protect your PC - get McAfee.com VirusScan Online > http://clinic.mcafee.com/clinic/ibuy/campaign.asp?cid=3963 > > > _______________________________________________ > Cp mailing list > Cp@omnisterra.com > http://omnisterra.com/mailman/listinfo/cp_omnisterra.com ################### From: Cp@omnisterra.com ({USER_FIRSTNAME} {USER_LASTNAME}) Date: Fri, 14 Mar 2003 20:35:17 -0500 Subject: [CP] Bombing Interesting and to the point post Aaron! Take care, Mike St. Petersburg Florida ################### From: Cp@omnisterra.com (Gary Kong) Date: Sat, 15 Mar 2003 00:58:28 -0500 Subject: [CP] Parasitoids Sarracenia scale I guess this wasp would be completely ineffective on my D. multifida 'extrema' that seems to be a scale grazing ground. :( Gary Kong "Steven Stewart" wrote: >Hello Steve &all >I agree with Chris, Metaphycus helvolus and other parasitoids can be very >diverse in size and breeding habits, depending on the soft scale it has to >work with. I have seen many parasitoids change considerably in size and >habit when the host numbers are becoming low, or mature scale or mealybugs >are difficult to find, as is often the case in Sarracenia. I have a (not >great) photo of what I was told was this species of wasp doing exactly what >you are saying. I sent aspirated wasp individuals to be identified by an >entomologist that specializes in IPM. >Of course you should have your individuals identified if you want to know >for sure. >Take care, >Steve Stewart > >> Message: 3 >> Subject: RE: [CP] Parasitoids on Sarracenia scale >> Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2003 12:06:01 -0500 >> From: "Steve LaWarre" >> To: >> Reply-To: Cp@omnisterra.com > > When you say Metaphycus, I'm assuming the species you have is M. >helvolus. I remember back in my university days these wasps being released >in the greenhouse for the same purpose. >> >> Yep, That's the one. Metaphycus helvolus does a great job of cleaning up >brown soft scale for us. > > We often saw multiple exit holes in some of the scale and never found any >other patristic wasp species. > > I bet you had some form of "volunteer" wasp working for you. This often >happens, especially if your working with a chemically "clean" greenhouse. I >have talked to the people who commercially rear these > wasps and they have confirmed the Metaphycus produce one pupa per scale. >Let me know if you find out differently. > Of course from the growers perspective who cares what species it is, as >long as they're killing off the scale :)! > >> >> That's true, but I'm too curious. I also would like to encourage this wasp >in other areas, so I want to find out what it is. >> >> > Cheers! >> > Chris >> >> Thanks, >> >> Steve > > > >_______________________________________________ >Cp mailing list >Cp@omnisterra.com >http://omnisterra.com/mailman/listinfo/cp_omnisterra.com > -- San Francisco, CA World Leader Pretend: http://www.foulds2000.freeserve.co.uk/bushv5.htm __________________________________________________________________ Try AOL and get 1045 hours FREE for 45 days! http://free.aol.com/tryaolfree/index.adp?375380 Get AOL Instant Messenger 5.1 for FREE! Download Now! http://aim.aol.com/aimnew/Aim/register.adp?promos=380455 ################### From: Cp@omnisterra.com (John Green) Date: Sat, 15 Mar 2003 10:28:29 -0800 Subject: [CP] Re: Slack book I vaguely recall someone mentioning some time ago that "Insect-eating plants and how to grow them" was going to be re-published. Does anyone know anything about this? Am I just confusing the re-printing of Slack's "Carnivorous Plants" book or is it just wishful thinking on my part? Also, anyone know where the archives are now? John Green West Hills, California http://www.cc.utah.edu/~jsg16/cp.htm ################### From: Cp@omnisterra.com (John Green) Date: Sat, 15 Mar 2003 10:28:03 -0800 Subject: [CP] Rooted Nep cuttings What is the best thing to do with Nep cuttings that have budded very high on the cutting? I have one cutting from the last LACPS meeting that is starting to grow but it's very high up - about 2 inches above the soil. I have another plant that was given to me that is the same way and the new growth looks like it could easily break off (although it hasn't). Should I just repot it after it's established in a deeper pot, or should I even be concerned? John Green West Hills, California http://www.cc.utah.edu/~jsg16/cp.htm ################### From: Cp@omnisterra.com (Joseph Kinyon) Date: Sat, 15 Mar 2003 12:40:12 -0800 Subject: [CP] RE: utricularia sandersonii cam Matt in MN Wrote: "I went here and the camera was off. Give us a time that we can log on and be voy..... ummm i mean can look at it.. hehe oh be sure to tell us what time zome you are in." Sorry Matt, no sooner than I had put up the camera I found that the latest service patch that updated my XP home OS completely crashed my system. I wiped the hard drive and rebuilt the system since then. It is on from around 8:00 am to 10:00 pm Pacific Standard time (when there is sunlight or overhead light). I'm going to leave it on for a couple of days, and then put some other flowering cps up. Enjoy, ermm.... "looking" at it :) at goof.camarades.com Joe ################### From: Cp@omnisterra.com (Frederick JM Depuydt) Date: Sat, 15 Mar 2003 22:02:12 +0100 Subject: [CP] RE: Rooted Nep cuttings Hello John, What you _could_ do, is place the cutting horizontally, with the bud facing up. If you get lucky, another bud lower might start within a year, giving two plants from different places in the pot, attached to the same stem. However, you might disturb root-formation. Barry, We've got NGC in Europe now, and I think I've seen the gators from every possible angle, just by passing the Channel on my TV whilst zapping. Frederick >What is the best thing to do with Nep cuttings that have budded very high on >the cutting? I have one cutting from the last LACPS meeting that is >starting to grow but it's very high up - about 2 inches above the soil. I >have another plant that was given to me that is the same way and the new >growth looks like it could easily break off (although it hasn't). Should I >just repot it after it's established in a deeper pot, or should I even be >concerned? Need a new email address that people can remember Check out the new EudoraMail at http://www.eudoramail.com ################### From: Cp@omnisterra.com (Cp@omnisterra.com) Date: Sat, 15 Mar 2003 17:51:40 EST Subject: [CP] (no subject) ################### From: Cp@omnisterra.com (mike wilder) Date: Sat, 15 Mar 2003 23:06:58 +0000 Subject: [CP] rafflesia as carnivore citation? hello, i am writing a critique of a thoroughly terrible recent popular book concerning plants. one mistake in this book is that the author asserts the "fact" that rafflesia are carnivorous. i am curious if anyone out there knows of *any* citation for a publication which makes such a claim. has anyone ever put forth this view in print? i would think that if this view was ever published, it would have to have occurred at some point between darwin's "insectivorous plants" and lloyd's "the carnivorous plants". jan, can you perhaps help me here? mike wilder www.geocities.com/pingenstein _________________________________________________________________ STOP MORE SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail ################### From: Cp@omnisterra.com (Hideka Kobayashi) Date: Sat, 15 Mar 2003 18:15:12 -0600 Subject: [CP] Re: Bombing (Aaron Hicks) Aaron, What are you doing here? :P I haven't seen your post at OGD for some time, I think. That was very interesting info. Hideka _________________________________________________________________ Protect your PC - get McAfee.com VirusScan Online http://clinic.mcafee.com/clinic/ibuy/campaign.asp?cid=3963 ################### From: Cp@omnisterra.com (Gary Kong) Date: Sat, 15 Mar 2003 20:52:25 -0500 Subject: [CP] rafflesia as carnivore citation? maybe he meant "parasitic"? Gary Kong "mike wilder" wrote: >hello, >i am writing a critique of a thoroughly terrible recent popular book >concerning plants. one mistake in this book is that the author asserts the >"fact" that rafflesia are carnivorous. i am curious if anyone out there >knows of *any* citation for a publication which makes such a claim. has >anyone ever put forth this view in print? i would think that if this view >was ever published, it would have to have occurred at some point between >darwin's "insectivorous plants" and lloyd's "the carnivorous plants". jan, >can you perhaps help me here? > >mike wilder >www.geocities.com/pingenstein > > > > >_________________________________________________________________ >STOP MORE SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* >http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail > > >_______________________________________________ >Cp mailing list >Cp@omnisterra.com >http://omnisterra.com/mailman/listinfo/cp_omnisterra.com > -- San Francisco, CA World Leader Pretend: http://www.foulds2000.freeserve.co.uk/bushv5.htm __________________________________________________________________ Try AOL and get 1045 hours FREE for 45 days! http://free.aol.com/tryaolfree/index.adp?375380 Get AOL Instant Messenger 5.1 for FREE! Download Now! http://aim.aol.com/aimnew/Aim/register.adp?promos=380455 ################### From: Cp@omnisterra.com (Gary Kong) Date: Sat, 15 Mar 2003 20:57:59 -0500 Subject: [CP] RE: Rooted Nep cuttings for upper stem cuttings, this wouldn't work very well, since the buds form alternately along the stem. One would face up, but the other would be buried. i've seated cuttings with the lower leaves/buds buried without any ill effect. in the case of N. maxima, it didn't result in basal-type growth, though. Gary Kong "Frederick JM Depuydt" wrote: >Hello John, > >What you _could_ do, is place the cutting horizontally, with the bud >facing up. If you get lucky, another bud lower might start within >a year, giving two plants from different places in the pot, attached >to the same stem. However, you might disturb root-formation. > >Barry, >We've got NGC in Europe now, and I think I've seen the gators from >every possible angle, just by passing the Channel on my TV whilst >zapping. > >Frederick > > >>What is the best thing to do with Nep cuttings that have budded very high on >>the cutting? I have one cutting from the last LACPS meeting that is >>starting to grow but it's very high up - about 2 inches above the soil. I >>have another plant that was given to me that is the same way and the new >>growth looks like it could easily break off (although it hasn't). Should I >>just repot it after it's established in a deeper pot, or should I even be >>concerned? > > >Need a new email address that people can remember >Check out the new EudoraMail at >http://www.eudoramail.com > >_______________________________________________ >Cp mailing list >Cp@omnisterra.com >http://omnisterra.com/mailman/listinfo/cp_omnisterra.com > -- San Francisco, CA World Leader Pretend: http://www.foulds2000.freeserve.co.uk/bushv5.htm __________________________________________________________________ Try AOL and get 1045 hours FREE for 45 days! http://free.aol.com/tryaolfree/index.adp?375380 Get AOL Instant Messenger 5.1 for FREE! Download Now! http://aim.aol.com/aimnew/Aim/register.adp?promos=380455 ################### From: Cp@omnisterra.com (Steven Stewart) Date: Sun, 16 Mar 2003 09:54:37 -0500 Subject: [CP] Parasitoids on Drosera Hello Gary & all, If you have brown soft scale on any other plants in your greenhouse, you can introduce parasitoids on to those plants, then as your beneficial insect population grows some will make it to the Drosera. Population explosions and crashes are one of the problems with biological control. Some beneficial insects will be caught by your plants but a few will help fight the scale. The Drosera can actually help even out spikes in beneficial overpopulation's. The one problem with using parasitoid wasps as a biocontrol measure is fluorescent lighting. Many species of parasitoids will fly into the light instead of focusing on breeding. This was a problem when I attempted controlled experiments in a growth chamber. Take care, Steve Stewart Florida, USA > Date: Sat, 15 Mar 2003 00:58:28 -0500 > From: garkoinsf@netscape.net (Gary Kong) > To: Cp@omnisterra.com > Subject: RE: [CP] Parasitoids Sarracenia scale > Reply-To: Cp@omnisterra.com > > I guess this wasp would be completely ineffective on my D. multifida 'extrema' that seems to be a scale grazing ground. :( > > Gary Kong ################### From: Cp@omnisterra.com (Ivan Snyder) Date: Sun, 16 Mar 2003 09:28:58 -0800 Subject: [CP] CP] Bombing >Back in New Mexico, I worked at an explosives testing range... -Aaron J. Hicks Chandler, AZ Hey Aaron, Keep an eye out for mutated Devil's Claw where they did nuclear bomb testing. These plants have come of interest at our Los Angeles CP Society meetings. Find one and we will name it after the legendary monster of the southwest, 'Chupa Cabra'. Ivan Snyder Hermosa Beach California ________________________________________________________________ Sign Up for Juno Platinum Internet Access Today Only $9.95 per month! Visit www.juno.com ################### From: Cp@omnisterra.com (Aaron Hicks) Date: Mon, 17 Mar 2003 10:10:51 -0700 Subject: [CP] Devil's Claw Ivan Snyder spaketh thusly: >Keep an eye out for mutated Devil's Claw where they did nuclear bomb >testing. These plants have come of interest at our Los Angeles CP Society >meetings. Find one and we will name it after the legendary monster of the >southwest, 'Chupa Cabra'. Alas, no mutants of this sort in New Mexico- although there was a very nice painting of one in the New Mexico Tech Library (motto: "You'll have to go to Albuquerque to get that"). I did have a certain interest in devil's claw locally to help keep down whitefly in one of our research greenhouses. After a brief search, I was suggested to try Native Seeds / Search in Tucson: http://www.nativeseeds.org I think they have something like 6 varieties of Proboscidea, including one with claws upwards of 8" in length. At $2.50 a pack, they're cheap, so I tried 5 varieties. None have germinated yet; I suspect I don't have enough heat on them. I understand they're not true carnivores- I just wanted to get the whitefly out of circulation! -AJHicks Chandler, AZ _________________________________________________________________ STOP MORE SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail ################### From: Cp@omnisterra.com (Cp@omnisterra.com) Date: Mon, 17 Mar 2003 12:29:04 -0500 Subject: [CP] RE: Rooted Nep cuttings John and All, Only 2"? I have one that is 12"(30cm) above the soil, given to me that way. And I have seen plenty in the 4-6" range. Your puny 2" "palm Nepenthes" does not impress me! Actually, all kidding aside, I don't think it will be a problem, but they may depend on the species/hybrid (what is it BTW?). Regards, Joe Griffin Lincoln, NE USA In a message dated 3/15/2003 8:57:59 PM Eastern Standard Time, garkoinsf@netscape.net writes: > > > for upper stem cuttings, this wouldn't work very well, since the buds form alternately along the stem. One would face up, but the other would be buried. i've seated cuttings with the lower leaves/buds buried without any ill effect. in the case of N. maxima, it didn't result in basal-type growth, though. > > Gary Kong > > "Frederick JM Depuydt" wrote: > > >Hello John, > > > >What you _could_ do, is place the cutting horizontally, with the bud > >facing up. If you get lucky, another bud lower might start within > >a year, giving two plants from different places in the pot, attached > >to the same stem. However, you might disturb root-formation. > > > >Barry, > >We've got NGC in Europe now, and I think I've seen the gators from > >every possible angle, just by passing the Channel on my TV whilst > >zapping. > > > >Frederick > > > > > >>What is the best thing to do with Nep cuttings that have budded very high on > >>the cutting? I have one cutting from the last LACPS meeting that is > >>starting to grow but it's very high up - about 2 inches above the soil. I > >>have another plant that was given to me that is the same way and the new > >>growth looks like it could easily break off (although it hasn't). Should I > >>just repot it after it's established in a deeper pot, or should I even be > >>concerned? > > > > > >Need a new email address that people can remember > >Check out the new EudoraMail at > >http://www.eudoramail.com > > > >_______________________________________________ > >Cp mailing list > >Cp@omnisterra.com > >http://omnisterra.com/mailman/listinfo/cp_omnisterra.com > > > > > -- > San Francisco, CA > World Leader Pretend: http://www.foulds2000.freeserve.co.uk/bushv5.htm > > > ____________________________________________________________ > ______ > Try AOL and get 1045 hours FREE for 45 days! > http://free.aol.com/tryaolfree/index.adp?375380 > > Get AOL Instant Messenger 5.1 for FREE! Download Now! > http://aim.aol.com/aimnew/Aim/register.adp?promos=380455 > > _______________________________________________ > Cp mailing list > Cp@omnisterra.com > http://omnisterra.com/mailman/listinfo/cp_omnisterra.com ################### From: Cp@omnisterra.com (M. F. McIntyre) Date: Mon, 17 Mar 2003 12:39:49 -0800 Subject: [CP] D.falconeri or D.petiolaris? Hey members- Any one willing to part with a D. falconeri or D.petiolaris? I don't have anything good to trade, but I will pay any reasonable price. Please email me off the list: max@moceanvenice.com ################### From: Cp@omnisterra.com (John Green) Date: Mon, 17 Mar 2003 12:44:34 -0800 Subject: [CP] RE: Rooted Nep cuttings > Only 2"? I have one that is 12"(30cm) above the soil, given > to me that way. And I have seen plenty in the 4-6" range. > Your puny 2" "palm Nepenthes" does not impress me! > Actually, all kidding aside, I don't think it will be a problem, > but they may depend on the species/hybrid (what is it BTW?). One is x ventrata and the other is something like maxima x superba mixta (I'm not certain I have that name right). The growth on the x ventrata has dipped down about to the soil level and is curving back up, plus it's now putting out another start right at the original growth point. I guess I won't worry about it, but I'll feel a lot better once they send out a basal shoot or two. John Green West Hills, California http://www.cc.utah.edu/~jsg16/cp.htm ################### From: Cp@omnisterra.com (John Green) Date: Mon, 17 Mar 2003 12:49:07 -0800 Subject: [CP] Posting to the listserv I've heard complaints that AOL 8.0 users can't post to the listserv because of it rejects the MIME/HTML formatting that AOL uses. Anyone know how to turn that off and just send plain text in AOL. Or, alternately, anyone know the POP and SMTP server addresses for AOL so that you could send from your AOL account using Outlook Express? Also, where have the archives moved that used to be at http://epm.ucdavis.edu/www/mxarchive/CP_Archive.htmlx? John Green West Hills, California http://www.cc.utah.edu/~jsg16/cp.htm ################### From: Cp@omnisterra.com (Rick Walker) Date: Mon, 17 Mar 2003 15:32:40 -0800 Subject: [CP] RE: Posting to the listserv John Green writes: > I've heard complaints that AOL 8.0 users can't post to the listserv > because of it rejects the MIME/HTML formatting that AOL uses. Anyone > know how to turn that off and just send plain text in AOL. Or, > alternately, anyone know the POP and SMTP server addresses for AOL so > that you could send from your AOL account using Outlook Express? A good writeup for turning off MIME/HTML is at: http://www.expita.com/nomime.html Here's the specific scoop for AOL 8.0: The easiest method is to use AOL Mail on the Web to send mail to Internet addresses that don't allow formatting - AOL Mail on the Web sends mail as plain text only. To use AOL Mail on the Web all you need to do is use the AOL keyword "aol mail". AOL 6.0, 7.0, 8.0 Alternate Simply install the 'safe' version of AOL, version 5.0, on your computer and use it for your plain text mailing lists. Create or use one of your 8 allowed AOL screen names to subscribe to; and to read, send, and reply to the list's mail. AOL 5.0 will not send HTML or RTF encoded e-mail unless YOU add it (stationery/background; colored, bold, or italicized text; insert an image; etc.). Place one of the ubiquitous free AOL 6.0, 7.0, or 8.0 CDs (available everywhere!) in your CD-ROM drive, hold down the shift key and close the tray to stop the autoplay feature. If that doesn't work, close the install window when it comes up. Then, using "Windows Explorer" or "My Computer", navigate to the AOL 5.0 folder (resident on all these CDs) and double-click on the 'setup' program file. Don't let the install program overwrite any other AOL version if prompted or asked during the AOL 5.0 install. After the install, whenever you want to send plain text e-mail to any Internet Mailing list, simply close any later version of AOL, click on the AOL 5.0 version, sign on with your list-dedicated screen name and send your own list e-mails without worry of offending others with HTML or RTF encoded e-mail. NOTE: An alternative to the AOL 5.0 Installation Starting with Netscape Communicator 6.2 and continuing with Netscape 7.0 PR1 and Final, AOL members can read and send AOL e-mail via the browser. The browser fully supports both HTML and plain text messages and even allows you to set specific domain names (e.g., mailing lists) to always send plain text. Best regards, -- Rick Walker ################### From: Cp@omnisterra.com (The Stephen's) Date: Mon, 17 Mar 2003 18:57:09 -0500 Subject: [CP] Swamp Water I've checked the archives and now I have a question. Which would be the best to use on my VFT---spring water or "swamp water" for the local nature preserve (Quail Hollow) in northeast Ohio? Thanks! ################### From: Cp@omnisterra.com (Steve) Date: Tue, 18 Mar 2003 00:08:36 -0000 Subject: [CP] Nepenthes ampullaria Would anyone in the UK, EU, with Nepenthes ampullaria "Cantleys Red" or the "giant red" for sale or trade please contact me off-list. Thanks, Steve. www.carnivorousplants.me.uk ################### From: Cp@omnisterra.com ({USER_FIRSTNAME} {USER_LASTNAME}) Date: Mon, 17 Mar 2003 19:45:28 -0500 Subject: [CP] RE: Posting to the listserv wow! This sounds like a PIA for the computer dumb founded. Mike ----- Original Message ----- To: Sent: Monday, March 17, 2003 6:32 PM > > John Green writes: > > > I've heard complaints that AOL 8.0 users can't post to the listserv > > because of it rejects the MIME/HTML formatting that AOL uses. Anyone > > know how to turn that off and just send plain text in AOL. Or, > > alternately, anyone know the POP and SMTP server addresses for AOL so > > that you could send from your AOL account using Outlook Express? > > A good writeup for turning off MIME/HTML is at: > > http://www.expita.com/nomime.html > > Here's the specific scoop for AOL 8.0: > > The easiest method is to use AOL Mail on the Web to send mail to > Internet addresses that don't allow formatting - AOL Mail on the > Web sends mail as plain text only. > > To use AOL Mail on the Web all you need to do is use the AOL > keyword "aol mail". > > AOL 6.0, 7.0, 8.0 Alternate > > Simply install the 'safe' version of AOL, version 5.0, on your > computer and use it for your plain text mailing lists. Create or > use one of your 8 allowed AOL screen names to subscribe to; and > to read, send, and reply to the list's mail. AOL 5.0 will not > send HTML or RTF encoded e-mail unless YOU add it > (stationery/background; colored, bold, or italicized text; > insert an image; etc.). > > Place one of the ubiquitous free AOL 6.0, 7.0, or 8.0 CDs > (available everywhere!) in your CD-ROM drive, hold down the > shift key and close the tray to stop the autoplay feature. If > that doesn't work, close the install window when it comes up. > Then, using "Windows Explorer" or "My Computer", navigate to the > AOL 5.0 folder (resident on all these CDs) and double-click on > the 'setup' program file. Don't let the install program > overwrite any other AOL version if prompted or asked during the > AOL 5.0 install. > > After the install, whenever you want to send plain text e-mail > to any Internet Mailing list, simply close any later version of > AOL, click on the AOL 5.0 version, sign on with your > list-dedicated screen name and send your own list e-mails > without worry of offending others with HTML or RTF encoded > e-mail. > > NOTE: An alternative to the AOL 5.0 Installation > Starting with Netscape Communicator 6.2 and continuing with > Netscape 7.0 PR1 and Final, AOL members can read and send AOL > e-mail via the browser. The browser fully supports both HTML and > plain text messages and even allows you to set specific domain > names (e.g., mailing lists) to always send plain text. > > Best regards, > -- > Rick Walker > > > _______________________________________________ > Cp mailing list > Cp@omnisterra.com > http://omnisterra.com/mailman/listinfo/cp_omnisterra.com ################### From: Cp@omnisterra.com (High4Voltz) Date: Tue, 18 Mar 2003 05:44:27 -0600 Subject: [CP] RE: Posting to the listserv why not set up a hotmail account and use outlook express to download and send your mail? It's not too hard to set up. This also free's up your main email address so not to catch alot of spam in it. :) Matt from MN > > John Green writes: > > > I've heard complaints that AOL 8.0 users can't post to the listserv > > because of it rejects the MIME/HTML formatting that AOL uses. Anyone > > know how to turn that off and just send plain text in AOL. Or, > > alternately, anyone know the POP and SMTP server addresses for AOL so > > that you could send from your AOL account using Outlook Express? > > A good writeup for turning off MIME/HTML is at: > > http://www.expita.com/nomime.html > > Here's the specific scoop for AOL 8.0: > > The easiest method is to use AOL Mail on the Web to send mail to > Internet addresses that don't allow formatting - AOL Mail on the > Web sends mail as plain text only. > > To use AOL Mail on the Web all you need to do is use the AOL > keyword "aol mail". > > AOL 6.0, 7.0, 8.0 Alternate > > Simply install the 'safe' version of AOL, version 5.0, on your > computer and use it for your plain text mailing lists. Create or > use one of your 8 allowed AOL screen names to subscribe to; and > to read, send, and reply to the list's mail. AOL 5.0 will not > send HTML or RTF encoded e-mail unless YOU add it > (stationery/background; colored, bold, or italicized text; > insert an image; etc.). > > Place one of the ubiquitous free AOL 6.0, 7.0, or 8.0 CDs > (available everywhere!) in your CD-ROM drive, hold down the > shift key and close the tray to stop the autoplay feature. If > that doesn't work, close the install window when it comes up. > Then, using "Windows Explorer" or "My Computer", navigate to the > AOL 5.0 folder (resident on all these CDs) and double-click on > the 'setup' program file. Don't let the install program > overwrite any other AOL version if prompted or asked during the > AOL 5.0 install. > > After the install, whenever you want to send plain text e-mail > to any Internet Mailing list, simply close any later version of > AOL, click on the AOL 5.0 version, sign on with your > list-dedicated screen name and send your own list e-mails > without worry of offending others with HTML or RTF encoded > e-mail. > > NOTE: An alternative to the AOL 5.0 Installation > Starting with Netscape Communicator 6.2 and continuing with > Netscape 7.0 PR1 and Final, AOL members can read and send AOL > e-mail via the browser. The browser fully supports both HTML and > plain text messages and even allows you to set specific domain > names (e.g., mailing lists) to always send plain text. > > Best regards, > -- > Rick Walker > > > _______________________________________________ > Cp mailing list > Cp@omnisterra.com > http://omnisterra.com/mailman/listinfo/cp_omnisterra.com _______________________________________________ Cp mailing list Cp@omnisterra.com http://omnisterra.com/mailman/listinfo/cp_omnisterra.com ################### From: Cp@omnisterra.com (Cp@omnisterra.com) Date: Tue, 18 Mar 2003 09:43:57 -0500 Subject: [CP] Nepenthes of Mount Kinabalu (Shigeo Kurata) Three copies of this book are available. http://forum.happenchance.com I will honour the first three requests posted to the forum, but if you want a copy, don't be dissuaded from posting a request in the same thread - after I close the thread, I'll keep your details at hand should I be able to pick up some more. I had hoped to offer them for 8.00, as I have in the past, but a devious stall-keeper in Kota Kinabalu has upped the price on me 110%. Apologies for this. Best wishes, Alastair. ################### From: Cp@omnisterra.com (Chelsie Vandaveer) Date: Tue, 18 Mar 2003 12:56:58 -0500 Subject: [CP] Re: MOAB test, Eglin Air Base, Florida Just to check the facts of the MOAB test at Eglin, I contacted the Environmental Public Affairs Office and received a reply from Mike Spaits. The test did not take place anywhere near any sensitive habitats. Since several people contacted me in the past week, I have posted an article on the home page of my website. You can reach the article by going to http://www.killerplants.com/#MOAB There is a link at the bottom of the article for a Sarracenia bog virtual tour at Eglin. Chelsie Vandaveer ################### From: Cp@omnisterra.com (Cp@omnisterra.com) Date: Tue, 18 Mar 2003 13:40:34 -0500 Subject: [CP] Redland International Orchid Festival info Hi All, Does anyone have any info on this event in Miami May 16-18th? Anna-Lisa from Malesiana Tropicals asked me to inquire about this event(registration info, ect) on her behalf. Thanks. Regards, Joe Griffin Lincoln, NE USA ################### From: Cp@omnisterra.com (Cp@omnisterra.com) Date: Tue, 18 Mar 2003 22:38:19 EST Subject: [CP] Flowering Does flowering occur naturally to a CP or does a person need to stimulate the plant before it can produce anything? For the most part just let the plant mature so it can let the enthusiast know through the course of mother nature when it is ready, RIGHT? ################### From: Cp@omnisterra.com (Travis Wyman) Date: Wed, 19 Mar 2003 09:44:58 -0500 Subject: [CP] S. 'Tarnok' genetics Sort of an odd question here. If I recall correctly the multi petal phenotype of domestic roses is the result of a _hox_ gene mutation. Has anyone done any research to see if it is a similar mutation that gives 'Tarnok' the multi petal flowers? Travis Travis H. Wyman Genetics and Molecular Biology Emory University twyman@emory.edu _________________________________________________________________ MSN 8 helps eliminate e-mail viruses. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/virus ################### From: Cp@omnisterra.com (Chris Teichreb) Date: Wed, 19 Mar 2003 07:27:45 -0800 Subject: [CP] Flowering Hello, Do you mean flowering, or seed production? Both will occur naturally, but both can also be encouraged by giving the plant the right growing conditions (light, water, temperature, humidity, soil, etc.). Copious seed production can be encouraged in many self-pollinating cp by swishing around a paintbrush or toothpick in the flower ensuring adequate transfer of pollen to the stigma. Cheers! Chris -- Chris Teichreb http://www.geocities.com/VCPC2000 (Vancouver Carnivorous Plant Club) > > >Does flowering occur naturally to a CP or does a person need to stimulate >the > >plant before it can produce anything? For the most part just let the plant >mature so it can let the enthusiast know through the course of mother >nature >when it is ready, RIGHT? > > >_______________________________________________ >Cp mailing list >Cp@omnisterra.com >http://omnisterra.com/mailman/listinfo/cp_omnisterra.com _________________________________________________________________ Protect your PC - get McAfee.com VirusScan Online http://clinic.mcafee.com/clinic/ibuy/campaign.asp?cid=3963 ################### From: Cp@omnisterra.com (Chris Teichreb) Date: Wed, 19 Mar 2003 07:32:16 -0800 Subject: [CP] VCPC spring meeting Hi everyone, An early reminder for those of you still waking up from dormancy ;-)! The Vancouver Carnivorous Plant Club (VCPC) will be holding its first show and sale of 2003 on April 13 (Sunday). All the meeting details can be found at: http://www.geocities.com/vcpc2000/meetings.html Even if you're not a member but you're in the area, drop by to see the plants and chat about cp. Please feel free to e-mail me if you have any questions. Cheers! Chris -- Chris Teichreb http://www.geocities.com/VCPC2000 (Vancouver Carnivorous Plant Club) _________________________________________________________________ The new MSN 8: advanced junk mail protection and 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail ################### From: Cp@omnisterra.com (Ivan Snyder) Date: Wed, 19 Mar 2003 08:42:51 -0800 Subject: [CP] Re: Devil's Claw Hey Aaron, Aha, I get it! You have secretly been working on developing Devil's Claw as weapons of mass destruction. The bombs testing you have carried out is actually for seed dispersal, right? We at the Los Angeles Carnivorous Plant Society ( www.geocities.com/lacps ) have had much success growing Proboscidea parviflora var. hohokamiana 'Paiute' which we got from Native Seeds. Seed of this variety germinates easily when kept warm. Others are more difficult but giberelic acid helps. The ICPS registrar of cultivars welcomes the registering of Devil's Claw cultivar names. None have been so far, but there are published names such as 'I:hug' (pronounced ee-hook). This is the one with 15 inch long claws. Ivan Snyder Hermosa beach California Aaron wrote: >I did have a certain interest in devil's claw locally to help keep down whitefly in one of our research greenhouses. After a brief search, I was suggested to try Native Seeds / Search in Tucson: http://www.nativeseeds.org I think they have something like 6 varieties of Proboscidea, including one with claws upwards of 8" in length. At $2.50 a pack, they're cheap, so I tried 5 varieties. None have germinated yet; I suspect I don't have enough heat on them. I understand they're not true carnivores- I just wanted to get the whitefly out of circulation! -AJHicks Chandler, AZ ________________________________________________________________ Sign Up for Juno Platinum Internet Access Today Only $9.95 per month! Visit www.juno.com ################### From: Cp@omnisterra.com (Kirk Martin) Date: Wed, 19 Mar 2003 15:30:20 -0500 Subject: [CP] Sarracenia flava var. cuprea Hello, I have an S. flava 'Coppertop' that is blooming for the first time for me (basically because this is the first time I've ever grown it). Can Sarracenia flowers be selfed? and will the Coppertop feature breed true? If the plant cannot be selfed, Does anyone have any extra "Coppertop" pollen floating around? Lastly is the trait a dominant or recessive one if crossed with the standard S. flava. Any S. flava experts out there? P.S. Still can't bring myself to pick any flower buds on CP even if they allegedly increase the size of the plant "Can't do it...." ################### From: Cp@omnisterra.com (Joseph Kinyon) Date: Wed, 19 Mar 2003 12:35:37 -0800 Subject: [CP] utricularia sandersonii Hey folks, Since my machine regularly crashed since I last posted, some folks had not been able to connect to the live camera. Feel free to check out Utricularia sandersonii blooming until this Friday the 19th. goto: http://goof.camarades.com Joseph Kinyon ################### From: Cp@omnisterra.com (Jan Schlauer) Date: Thu, 20 Mar 2003 08:55:57 +0100 Subject: [CP] rafflesia as carnivore citation? Dear Mike, > jan, can you perhaps help me here? The only carnivorous rafflesia plant I know is the one in _Nepenthes *rafflesia*na_. The genus _Rafflesia_ is composed of holoparasitic plants that may do harm to their host plants but not to animals. Kind regards Jan ################### From: Cp@omnisterra.com (Jan Schlauer) Date: Thu, 20 Mar 2003 09:01:09 +0100 Subject: [CP] Re: Devil's Claw Dear Ivan, > The ICPS registrar of cultivars > welcomes the registering of Devil's Claw cultivar names. None have been > so far, but there are published names such as 'I:hug' (pronounced > ee-hook). This is the one with 15 inch long claws. Thanks for mentioning this. Some names have indeed been published but unfortunately, AFAIK none has been established as a cultivar name (with description) so far. If anyone is interested in establishing and registering cultivar names for Martyniaceae, please feel free to do so. The ICPS is the ICRA for cultivar names in this family. Kind regards Jan ################### From: Cp@omnisterra.com (Barry A. Rice) Date: Thu, 20 Mar 2003 12:25:21 -0800 (PST) Subject: [CP] Cultivars of Proboscidea Hi Jan, Does the ICPS govern cultivars of all Martyniaceae? i.e. including the noncarnivorous Proboscidea? If so, there may be sufficient merit to a variety of Proboscidea parviflora that was apparently semidomesticated by native people in Arizona. A white-seeded variety (wild type has black seeds) was cultivated because of the long claws---the fibers from the long claws were used in basketry. I've seen this advertised in the seed bank in Tucson (Native Seed/SEARCH) under the (I presume) nomen nudum Proboscidea parviflora var. Hohokamiana, where the varietal epithet notes the now-extinct Hohokam tribe. It is said that Hohokam settlements correlate well with occurrences of the white-seeded clone, suggesting the Hohokam grew this plant. Although decidedly not Hohokam myself, I grew this plant when in Arizona, and found it to be a lovely plant. The white seeds and long claws carried over via seeds from one generation to the next. Although I am not interested in clogging the pages of CPN with a description of a noncarnivorous cultivar, this plant has been listed in seed cataloges since at least the late 1980s. Anyone with an interest in publishing this plant in another journal has my blessing---I'd be happy to help with background information. Cheers Barry ------------------------ Barry A. Rice, Ph.D. Carnivorous Plant Newsletter Conservation Coeditor barry@carnivorousplants.org http://www.carnivorousplants.org ################### From: Cp@omnisterra.com (Cp@omnisterra.com) Date: Thu, 20 Mar 2003 15:40:45 -0500 Subject: [CP] Home Center CP.... Seems like it's time for the annual release of CP from the mass propagation/TC sources. Just this past weekend, I bought some decent (i.e., healthy) looking Darlingtonia and VFT at a local Lowe's store for $2.97 each. I then went to Home Depot, and they had a nice group of the *Little Pot of Horrors* brand plants...VFT, S. rubra (sp.), P. primulifora, and D. rotundifolia. But, they wanted almost $5 each. So I whipped out my receipt from Lowe's, and they matched the price, plus took off an additional 10%. So bottom line, I picked up 10 decent looking Sarrs and Pings at HD for less than $29. I figure it's better than letting them dry out and die sitting in the store. I've always had very good results with plants from these stores. I have some S. rubra that originally came in those little 3-inch pots that are now overflowing 6-inch pots in the greenhouse. Sincerely, Craig ################### From: Cp@omnisterra.com (Michael Chamberland) Date: Thu, 20 Mar 2003 15:09:52 -0600 Subject: [CP] Cultivars of Proboscidea > Does the ICPS govern cultivars of all Martyniaceae? i.e. including the > noncarnivorous Proboscidea? If so, there may be sufficient merit to a > variety of Proboscidea parviflora that was apparently semidomesticated by > native people in Arizona. A white-seeded variety (wild type has black > seeds) was cultivated because of the long claws---the fibers from the > long claws were used in basketry. I've seen this advertised in the seed > bank in Tucson (Native Seed/SEARCH) under the (I presume) nomen nudum > Proboscidea parviflora var. Hohokamiana, where the varietal epithet notes > the now-extinct Hohokam tribe. Hi Barry, According to IPNI, http://www.ipni.org/index.html This variety is published as Proboscidea parviflora var. hohokamiana P.K.Bretting in Amer. J. Bot., 69(10): 1537 (1982)-. 1982 U.S.A. (Arizona). Michael ################### From: Cp@omnisterra.com (J. Chris Coppick) Date: Thu, 20 Mar 2003 15:59:16 -0800 Subject: [CP] Home Center CP.... CMcdon0923@aol.com wrote: > > I then went to Home Depot, and they had a nice group of the *Little Pot of > Horrors* brand plants...VFT, S. rubra (sp.), P. primulifora, and D. > rotundifolia. But, they wanted almost $5 each. So I whipped out my receipt > from Lowe's, and they matched the price, plus took off an additional 10%. > On a recent trip to Home Depot, I was somewhat shocked to find a baby S. psitticina from Gubler's (labelled as a S. purpurea, of course). I never thought I'd be rounding out my collection of major Sarr. species at a Home Depot. :-) Chris ################### From: Cp@omnisterra.com (Jan Schlauer) Date: Fri, 21 Mar 2003 09:36:27 +0100 Subject: [CP] Cultivars of Proboscidea Dear Barry, > Does the ICPS govern cultivars of all Martyniaceae? The ICPS is the ICRA registering all names of cultivated plants (cultivars, chimaeras and cultivar groups) classified as Martyniaceae. Just in order to prevent confusion, we do not "govern cultivars" in a sense that would include the making of rules concerning the naming of cultivars or protecting plant breeders' rights, trade marks, or patents. In particular, an ICRA is *not* entitled to grant awards of merit. The purpose of an ICRA is to collect and to provide information on names of cultivated plants. > i.e. including the noncarnivorous Proboscidea? Yes. > If so, there may be sufficient merit to a (...) As Michael has pointed out already, this plant is considered taxonomically distinct and it has been described as a taxon with a Latin name (following the rules of the ICBN). Kind regards Jan ################### From: Cp@omnisterra.com (Ivan Snyder) Date: Fri, 21 Mar 2003 09:48:40 -0800 Subject: [CP] Re: Devil's Claw cultivars Hi Jan and all, I found a lot of info in the book Gathering the Desert by Gary Paul Nabhan 1985, Univ of Arizona Press. This book tells about the white seeded easier to cultivate domesticate Proboscidea parviflora var. hohokamiana which is used in basket weaving. It was domesticated by the Hohokam People, which were ancestors of a group of Native American tribes. Fascinating. The book also describes 'I:hug', the 15 inch clawed cultivar of the above variety. In the book index is a reference to another book in the works which I have not seen titled Devil's Claw Domestication by Peter Bretting and Nabhan. Would these books be adequate for establishing a cultivar? I can photocopy the info for whomever wants to work on this. Ivan Snyder Hermosa Beach California Jan wrote: >Thanks for mentioning this. Some names have indeed been published but unfortunately, AFAIK none has been established as a cultivar name (with description) so far. If anyone is interested in establishing and registering cultivar names for Martyniaceae, please feel free to do so. The ICPS is the ICRA for cultivar names in this family. Kind regards Jan ________________________________________________________________ Sign Up for Juno Platinum Internet Access Today Only $9.95 per month! Visit www.juno.com ################### From: Cp@omnisterra.com (Petersen, Glenn) Date: Fri, 21 Mar 2003 13:09:45 -0500 Subject: [CP] Help starting D. collinsiae from seed This is my first post to the new list. Hopefully it works. Does anyone have any suggestions for starting D. collinsiae from seed? I got some seed from the ICPS and was not successful at starting them last year. I saved some in the fridge and will be tying again. If this is an easy plant to start, maybe may seeds are too old and no longer viable. Any tips would be appreciated. Thanks Glenn Petersen ################### From: Cp@omnisterra.com (Steve LaWarre) Date: Fri, 21 Mar 2003 16:01:26 -0500 Subject: [CP] cruel irony Damned if you do, damned if you don't.=20 I recently bought a few large bales of LF sphagnum. I have ordered big = bales of NZ sphagnum in the past, but because of cost restraints and = availability, I opted for some sphagnum from a Wisconsin company. The = difference between the US/Canadian sphagnum and the NZ or Chilean = sphagnum is brutal. The stuff I have now will work just fine, but its = full of straw and roots and all kinds of other plant crap.=20 Now for the cruel irony. The volunteer (Amaury W.) that helps me with = the CP collection was wetting down some of this new sphagnum to add to a = bed in the CP house. He is planting some beautiful spring Sarracenia x = 'Judith Hindle'. Right there in the middle of the sphagnum bale was two = dried Sarracenia purpurea plants, harvested right along with the LF = sphagnum, nicely dried and pressed. Now that really sucks... Steve LaWarre Grand Rapids, MI=20 ################### From: Cp@omnisterra.com ({USER_FIRSTNAME} {USER_LASTNAME}) Date: Fri, 21 Mar 2003 16:29:01 -0500 Subject: [CP] cruel irony (spahgnum) Steve, If the moss is Mosser Lee everything you mention is common, but also this stuff isn't supposed to be harvested from wild bogs. I don't believe it is. They harvest from managed areas of bogland, managed to harvest sphagnum with the big rakes. which actually may be more beneficial than letting the area fill in with hardwoods. It isn't uncommon to have various bog plants sprout from this stuff including cp. The small dead purps are a common find in it. Because of the stick, straw and gravel problem I hand pick my bales from my supplier, I no longer accept what the driver brings without a good going over. There are certain times when its harvested its much better, and late winter or even late fall isn't a good time. Towards late summer into fall the sedges and other growth is impossible to keep out, and raking on sparse areas during later fall or early winter (Oct ?) will give ya a rock ok rocks. Towards the end of June into Sept the moss is of a good quality most of the time with less junk in it, as it grows rapidly. What I found my dealer doing was shipping the better bales for others and giving me a bunch of rocks and straw, enough of that. I have written Mosser Lee several E-mails about this with no reply. There is another company in Wis that I purchase moss from, but I can't remember the name. Much less debris, very high quality at about the same price, and avoid Mosser Lee the moss man if I can help it. Mike St. Petersburg Florida Overall if you get a decent bale of this minus the sticks and rocks its worth the savings over the expensive sphagnum you are talking about for a large planting or industry use. ----- Original Message ----- ################### From: Cp@omnisterra.com (Dave Evans) Date: Fri, 21 Mar 2003 22:32:30 -0500 Subject: [CP] Nepenthes Pollen available Dear CP-list, I'll soon have some pollen of _N. ventricosa_ (solid pink pitchers) available for whoever would like some. The male will probably start flowering within two weeks. Dave Evans New Jersey, USA www.dangerousplants.com ################### From: Cp@omnisterra.com (Barry A. Rice) Date: Sat, 22 Mar 2003 10:02:05 -0800 (PST) Subject: [CP] A challenge! Hey ICPS members on this list... I hereby challenge you to a race! There are 560 members who have not yet renewed their memberships. History says about 80% of them (you?) will get around to it, and are not actually letting their (your?) memberships die. This weekend I will spend my beloved free time printing, addressing, and putting stamps on the postcards. All because I have nothing better to do with my spare time. See if you can get your check in the mail before my postcard reminder gets to you. All you have to do is send $25 to the ICPS address (3310 Yorba Linda, etc.,) and note you are a member seeking renewal. You don't even need to download a form from the ICPS, although if you did it would probably help our membership coordinator Cindy Slezak. And next year, get it done on time---I actually WOULD rather spend my weekend doing something other than making 560 postcards. Why, I could be editing CPN articles! Barry ------------------------ Barry A. Rice, Ph.D. Carnivorous Plant Newsletter Conservation Coeditor barry@carnivorousplants.org http://www.carnivorousplants.org ################### From: Cp@omnisterra.com (Stephen Davis) Date: Sat, 22 Mar 2003 10:09:58 -0800 Subject: [CP] A challenge! Barry, I sent my dues in on time this year and will sorely miss your annual postcard. Can you send me one anyway? It's been an important annual ritual for me. What will I do without the guilt, and then stress of wondering if I can get the check in time to not miss the next issue of CPN? Less tongue in cheek, thanks for working to keep this ragtag group together. Perhaps everyone that is late should send you a plant. Course, what would you do with 560 D. capensis? Stephen www.carnivorousplants.homestead.com At 10:02 AM 3/22/2003 -0800, you wrote: >Hey ICPS members on this list... > >I hereby challenge you to a race! There are 560 members who have not yet >renewed their memberships. History says about 80% of them (you?) will get >around to it, and are not actually letting their (your?) memberships die. > >This weekend I will spend my beloved free time printing, addressing, and >putting stamps on the postcards. All because I have nothing better to do >with my spare time. > >See if you can get your check in the mail before my postcard reminder gets >to you. All you have to do is send $25 to the ICPS address (3310 Yorba >Linda, etc.,) and note you are a member seeking renewal. You don't even >need to download a form from the ICPS, although if you did it would >probably help our membership coordinator Cindy Slezak. > >And next year, get it done on time---I actually WOULD rather spend my >weekend doing something other than making 560 postcards. > >Why, I could be editing CPN articles! > >Barry > >------------------------ >Barry A. Rice, Ph.D. >Carnivorous Plant Newsletter >Conservation Coeditor >barry@carnivorousplants.org >http://www.carnivorousplants.org > > >_______________________________________________ >Cp mailing list >Cp@omnisterra.com >http://omnisterra.com/mailman/listinfo/cp_omnisterra.com Stephen W. Davis Primary: 408-229-2264 Mobile: 650-520-9496 Email: stephend@eaglesroost.net www.eaglesroost.net ################### From: Cp@omnisterra.com (Barry A. Rice) Date: Sat, 22 Mar 2003 12:09:07 -0800 (PST) Subject: [CP] 560 D. capensis and Mosser Lee sphagnum Hey Steve, I got the same thing, back around 1996 with a bale of Mosser Lee sphagnum. > 'Judith Hindle'. Right there in the middle of the sphagnum bale was two = > dried Sarracenia purpurea plants, harvested right along with the LF = > sphagnum, nicely dried and pressed. Hey Stephan, > Less tongue in cheek, thanks for working to keep this ragtag group > together. Perhaps everyone that is late should send you a plant. Course, > what would you do with 560 D. capensis? Use them to moisten 560 stamps with sticky goo, I think. Barry ------------------------ Barry A. Rice, Ph.D. Carnivorous Plant Newsletter Conservation Coeditor barry@carnivorousplants.org http://www.carnivorousplants.org ################### From: Cp@omnisterra.com (Howlett, Mike (Commissioner Pct.4)) Date: Sat, 22 Mar 2003 15:19:05 -0600 Subject: [CP] RE: Good sphagnum peat (was "cruel irony") A brand that I have had good luck with is Sunshine. Their peat is better screened than most of the "Wal-Mart specials." Lambert is another brand commonly seen down here in Houston, Texas, but it usually has a bunch of twigs, roots and the like in it, like what you're describing. Hope this helps! Regards, Mike Mike Howlett - Naturalist/Herpetoculturist Jesse H. Jones Park & Nature Center Humble, TX mhowlett@cp4.hctx.net 281-446-8588/281-446-8832 Fax www.cp4.hctx.net/jones -----Original Message----- Message: 1 To: "CP Listserv (E-mail)" Reply-To: Cp@omnisterra.com Damned if you do, damned if you don't.=20 I recently bought a few large bales of LF sphagnum. I have ordered big = bales of NZ sphagnum in the past, but because of cost restraints and = availability, I opted for some sphagnum from a Wisconsin company. The = difference between the US/Canadian sphagnum and the NZ or Chilean = sphagnum is brutal. The stuff I have now will work just fine, but its = full of straw and roots and all kinds of other plant crap.=20 Now for the cruel irony. The volunteer (Amaury W.) that helps me with = the CP collection was wetting down some of this new sphagnum to add to a = bed in the CP house. He is planting some beautiful spring Sarracenia x = 'Judith Hindle'. Right there in the middle of the sphagnum bale was two = dried Sarracenia purpurea plants, harvested right along with the LF = sphagnum, nicely dried and pressed. Now that really sucks... Steve LaWarre Grand Rapids, MI=20 ################### From: Cp@omnisterra.com (Joseph Kinyon) Date: Sat, 22 Mar 2003 14:26:15 -0800 Subject: [CP] carnage My venus flytrap caught a pretty wiggly daddy long legs. Live on my webcam at http://goof.camarades.com Only on Saturday March 22 until 5:00 pm Pacific Standard Time, United States Joseph ################### From: Cp@omnisterra.com (Frederick JM Depuydt) Date: Sun, 23 Mar 2003 06:32:46 +0100 Subject: [CP] Carnivorous moss Hello, an short article recently appeared in the Drosera VZW newsletter talking about a moss in Kenya that has proven to be carnivorous. The only thing missing was a genus and species name. Can any of you that are more in the field of scientific publications shed a bit of light on this? Cheers, Frederick Need a new email address that people can remember Check out the new EudoraMail at http://www.eudoramail.com ################### From: Cp@omnisterra.com (Georg J. Stach) Date: Sun, 23 Mar 2003 23:31:55 +0100 Subject: [CP] Re: Carnivorous moss Hi Frederick, This article is quite old. I have a similar report of December 1999 with these information saying that scientists of the university Bonn (Germany) found out some carnivorous abilities. A botanical name isn't mentioned. They speak of a liver moss ("Lebermoos") Species, however. Maybe this helps... Primary source is obviously the GEO Magazine (German / no other details mentioned). Georg Stach -G.F.P.- ################### From: Cp@omnisterra.com (High4Voltz) Date: Sun, 23 Mar 2003 22:18:12 -0600 Subject: [CP] 560 D. capensis and Mosser Lee sphagnum I also ordered one bale from them Mosser Lee last year and was very irratated at the junk that is in it. I also ordered 2 bales from http://www.topiaryartworks.com/topiary/35cubfeetbal.html , the quality is not a whole lot better, (but some), but the price was cheaper!!! I got N.Z. sphagnum. from CalWest Tropical out of Cali. and it was nice stuff. ----- Original Message ----- To: Sent: Saturday, March 22, 2003 2:09 PM Hey Steve, I got the same thing, back around 1996 with a bale of Mosser Lee sphagnum. > 'Judith Hindle'. Right there in the middle of the sphagnum bale was two = > dried Sarracenia purpurea plants, harvested right along with the LF = > sphagnum, nicely dried and pressed. Hey Stephan, > Less tongue in cheek, thanks for working to keep this ragtag group > together. Perhaps everyone that is late should send you a plant. Course, > what would you do with 560 D. capensis? Use them to moisten 560 stamps with sticky goo, I think. Barry ------------------------ Barry A. Rice, Ph.D. Carnivorous Plant Newsletter Conservation Coeditor barry@carnivorousplants.org http://www.carnivorousplants.org _______________________________________________ Cp mailing list Cp@omnisterra.com http://omnisterra.com/mailman/listinfo/cp_omnisterra.com ################### From: Cp@omnisterra.com (High4Voltz) Date: Sun, 23 Mar 2003 22:22:06 -0600 Subject: [CP] Help starting D. collinsiae from seed How long did you give this seed to germinate? Matt from MN ----- Original Message ----- "Does anyone have any suggestions for starting D. collinsiae from seed? I got some seed from the ICPS and was not successful at starting them last year. " ################### From: Cp@omnisterra.com (High4Voltz) Date: Sun, 23 Mar 2003 22:24:39 -0600 Subject: [CP] carnage Why do I miss all the good stuff??? hahaha Matt from MN ----- Original Message ----- To: "CP LISTSERVE" Sent: Saturday, March 22, 2003 4:26 PM My venus flytrap caught a pretty wiggly daddy long legs. Live on my webcam at http://goof.camarades.com Only on Saturday March 22 until 5:00 pm Pacific Standard Time, United States Joseph _______________________________________________ Cp mailing list Cp@omnisterra.com http://omnisterra.com/mailman/listinfo/cp_omnisterra.com ################### From: Cp@omnisterra.com (mike wilder) Date: Mon, 24 Mar 2003 05:14:28 +0000 Subject: [CP] rare nepenthes magazines 4 sale hello, expensive car troubles are forcing me to sell a couple of rare nepenthes magazines: vol 13 no4 and vol 2 no3 of nature malaysiana. if interested please follow the links below, or just search ebay for 'nepenthes'. thanks-- http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3509337292&category=608 http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3509339035&category=608 mike wilder www.geocities.com/pingenstein _________________________________________________________________ MSN 8 with e-mail virus protection service: 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/virus ################### From: Cp@omnisterra.com (Mr. League) Date: Mon, 24 Mar 2003 03:03:11 -0500 Subject: [CP] S. purpurea "Carolina Mountain" question Hello everyone, Two years ago, I purchased a Sarracenia purpurea "Carolina Mountain" from Cascade Carnivorous Plants. I have been unable to find any information about this plant online, nor do I see it offered for sale/trade at CP websites, etc. Does anyone have ANY information about this plant? Here is a picture taken last summer. http://geocities.com/southsoundcarnivores/carolinamountain.html thanks! -Homer -- __________________________________________________________ Sign-up for your own FREE Personalized E-mail at Mail.com http://www.mail.com/?sr=signup ################### From: Cp@omnisterra.com (Steve LaWarre) Date: Mon, 24 Mar 2003 10:30:34 -0500 Subject: [CP] cruel irony (sphagnum) Thanks for the info Mike. I guess I was spoiled by the beautiful NZ = sphagnum that I have bought for the last few years. Everyone here is = trying to tighten the belt a bit (understandably so) and I am trying to = cut costs where I can. The plants don't seem to mind the cheap stuff, = but I am going to look it over before I buy the next bales. Steve =20 > -----Original Message----- > From: {USER_FIRSTNAME} {USER_LASTNAME}=20 > [mailto:stovehouse@earthlink.net] > Sent: Friday, March 21, 2003 4:29 PM > To: Cp@omnisterra.com > Subject: Re: [CP] cruel irony (spahgnum) >=20 >=20 > Steve, > If the moss is Mosser Lee everything you mention is common,=20 > but also this > stuff isn't supposed to be harvested from wild bogs. I don't=20 > believe it is. > They harvest from managed areas of bogland, managed to=20 > harvest sphagnum > with the big rakes. > which actually may be more beneficial than letting the area=20 > fill in with > hardwoods. It isn't uncommon to have various bog plants=20 > sprout from this > stuff including cp. The small dead purps are a common find in it. >=20 > Because of the stick, straw and gravel problem I hand pick my=20 > bales from my > supplier, I no longer accept what the driver brings without a=20 > good going > over. There are certain times when its harvested its much=20 > better, and late > winter or even late fall isn't a good time. Towards late=20 > summer into fall > the sedges and other growth is impossible to keep out, and=20 > raking on sparse > areas during later fall or early winter (Oct ?) will give ya a rock ok > rocks. > Towards the end of June into Sept the moss is of a good=20 > quality most of the > time with less junk in it, as it grows rapidly. What I found=20 > my dealer > doing was shipping the better bales for others and giving me=20 > a bunch of > rocks and straw, enough of that. I have written Mosser Lee=20 > several E-mails > about this with no reply. There is another company in Wis=20 > that I purchase > moss from, but I can't remember the name. Much less debris, very high > quality at about the same price, and avoid Mosser Lee the=20 > moss man if I can > help it. >=20 > Mike > St. Petersburg Florida >=20 > Overall if you get a decent bale of this minus the sticks and=20 > rocks its > worth the savings over the expensive sphagnum you are talking=20 > about for a > large planting or industry use. > ----- Original Message ----- >=20 >=20 >=20 > _______________________________________________ > Cp mailing list > Cp@omnisterra.com > http://omnisterra.com/mailman/listinfo/cp_omnisterra.com >=20 ################### From: Cp@omnisterra.com (Cp@omnisterra.com) Date: Mon, 24 Mar 2003 11:29:14 -0500 Subject: [CP] Combatting Algae I’m looking for suggestions regarding methods of controlling algae buildup in the water trays in my greenhouse. Last summer I had a terrible problem with algae, and would like to hopefully, prevent the problem this year. It got so bad at one point that I lost a plant because the algae blocked the holes in the bottom of the pot, and the plant’s media literally dried out while the pot sat in two inches of water. I’d prefer a non-chemical method if effective, and certainly the number one requirement is that it not harm the plants (Sarracenia, mostly). This past weekend, I scrubbed the trays, and washed off the pots as best I could, but I certainly understand that I did not remove every single algal cell from them. And with the environment inside the greenhouse nearly optimal for algal growth, I’d like to try to prevent the situation from happening again this year. I’ve seen products geared towards use in outdoor ponds, which claim to be safe for fish, so is it safe to assume (OK, probably not) that they would not harm CP either? One that seemed especially interesting was a product called “CedarCide”. What do some of you out there use to prevent/combat algae? Sincerely, Craig Frisco, Texas ################### From: Cp@omnisterra.com (Cp@omnisterra.com) Date: Mon, 24 Mar 2003 11:31:32 -0500 Subject: [CP] Re: Volume of Postings??? I tried posting this the other day, but for some reason, the list-admin intercepted it due to the title....so here it is again: Is it me, or has the volume of posts to the list severely decreased since moving over to this server? Most of the digests when hosted at Agilent contained in the 'teens number of individual posts, but since the switch, most are under 10, and sometimes only three or four. The switch over was made as easy and painless as I can imagine it could have been....just a few keystrokes and here we are. Does anyone have any type of membership stats of the old vs. new listserv? Just seems awful quiet to me.....or maybe everyone's out working on their plants? Craig ################### From: Cp@omnisterra.com (Hideka Kobayashi) Date: Mon, 24 Mar 2003 10:32:15 -0600 Subject: [CP] Re: Cp digest, Vol 1 #17 - 11 msgs Joe, Check this page: http://www.orchidworks.com/redland/webad/index.html Usually you can find this type of information at www.orchidmall.com or http://orchidweb.org/. Just for future reference. _________________________________________________________________ MSN 8 with e-mail virus protection service: 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/virus ################### From: Cp@omnisterra.com (Chris Teichreb) Date: Mon, 24 Mar 2003 09:00:43 -0800 Subject: [CP] Combatting Algae and volume of postings Hi Craig, Yeah, I noticed the number of postings is way down too. I know some people didn't get automatically switched over, so perhaps that accounts for some of the missing posts. Usually, spring is pretty chatty around here! As for the algae, they are growing essentially in response to adequate light and nutrients. Remove one of those, and you'll get rid of the problem. This means somehow shading the trays without shading the plants, or changing water more frequently to prevent build-up. If it's the algae I get in my trays, it's pretty easy to just scoop out by hand and chuck on the compost. The stuff geared towards ponds is usually a straw extract (tannins and humic acids). Peat moss is loaded with this stuff, just boil up some peat tea and add to the water trays until the water has a dark brown colour. It actually works fairly well in keeping down algal growth. Good luck! Chris _________________________________________________________________ Add photos to your messages with MSN 8. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/featuredemail ################### From: Cp@omnisterra.com (Cp@omnisterra.com) Date: Mon, 24 Mar 2003 13:00:03 -0500 Subject: [CP] Re: Cp digest, Vol 1 #17 - 11 msgs Hideka, Many thanks. I got her the info on Redlands, but the rest of that info should be quite valuable to her. They are probably not going to do any shows this year, but they want to see what kind of stuff may be around if they pre-plan in the future. Regards, Joe Griffin Lincoln, NE USA ################### From: Cp@omnisterra.com (Andreas Fleischmann) Date: Mon, 24 Mar 2003 21:21:24 +0100 Subject: [CP] Carnivorous moss Hello! The hepatic (liverwort) that is able to catch protists in a special bladder -normally used for storing water in some other hepatics- is called Colura zoophaga. See Bartloth, Fischer, Frahm: "First Experimental Evidence for Zoophagy in the Hepatic Colura." Plant. Biol. 2 (2000). Andreas ################### From: Cp@omnisterra.com (Frederick JM Depuydt) Date: Mon, 24 Mar 2003 21:41:32 +0100 Subject: [CP] Re: Carnivorous moss Seems I didn't do my research that well, Colura zoophaga is mentioned in www.sarracenia.com/faq/faq5700.html for those interested. So next to regular CP's we have carnivorous fungi, bromeliads, a potential orchid, moss... what's next? Makes me think, I'm currently reading a book by Richard Dawkins (the title is Dutch and doesn't translate that well) in which he states that some complex intrepid mechanisms - e.g. eyes - have been independantly developped by nature over and over for so many times, we can hardly speak of ground-braking development, rather a logic escape for a given problem. We're all familiar with the array of pseudo-carnivores, maybe insectivory isn't such an exclusive development in plant evolution as we all tell each other it is ? Hmmm, should I post this...I can hear them allready...Kill the non-believer!! Frederick Need a new email address that people can remember Check out the new EudoraMail at http://www.eudoramail.com ################### From: Cp@omnisterra.com (Petersen, Glenn) Date: Mon, 24 Mar 2003 15:41:04 -0500 Subject: [CP] Re: Re: Help starting D. collinsiae from seed Hi Matt, I sowed the D. collinsiae seeds last fall. I kept the seeds, in a pot covered with plastic, outside with my tuberous Drosera seeds. I realized that this was probably the wrong method so I brought the pot inside and put it on a propagation heat mat, my basement is very cold. It stayed on the heat mat for about two months. I then removed the pot and it has been in my grow room seeing temps in the high sixties to low seventies at night (grow light on) and low to mid fifties during the day. I plan on moving the pot outdoors in May to see what happens. It's almost warm in Michigan in May. I have not been able to find any useful propagation data on this plant on line or in the listserv achieves. Should I try smoke treatment or Giberelic Acid for my next batch. I don't even know where to get Giberelic Acid. They say patience is a virtue, maybe that's all I need to get them to germinate. As a side note, many D. gigantia germinated and one D. macrantha spp. macrantha and one D. stolonifera spp. stolonifera germinated. They are very tiny! I hope I can keep them alive long enough to go dormant for the summer and come back next fall. All of my fingers are crossed. Glenn Petersen ################### From: Cp@omnisterra.com (Steve LaWarre) Date: Mon, 24 Mar 2003 16:21:09 -0500 Subject: [CP] Re: Carnivorous moss Hey Frederick, > We're all familiar with the array of=20 > pseudo-carnivores, maybe insectivory isn't such an exclusive=20 > development in plant evolution as we all tell each other it is ? > Hmmm, should I post this...I can hear them already...Kill the > non-believer!! Very good point. In my experience, not much in the plant world is black = and white. Most plants fit into some set of rules, but most plants break = those same rules under the right circumstances. We are all familiar with = the tight bond evolution has cast upon insects and plants. I think of = carnivory as a part of that complex relationship. Sometimes its, clear = other times it leaves me scratching my head. >=20 > Frederick Steve LaWarre Grand Rapids, MI=20 ################### From: Cp@omnisterra.com (Mike Bailey) Date: Mon, 24 Mar 2003 17:25:59 -0600 Subject: [CP] D. prolifera Hello everyone I was wondering if anyone has any extra or knows where to get some Drosera prolifera seed. I have been searching for some time now with no luck. I dont have anything to trade but am more than willing to purchase some. any help would be great Thanks Mike ################### From: Cp@omnisterra.com (Steve Ray (URMC)) Date: Mon, 24 Mar 2003 17:41:42 -0500 Subject: [CP] Combatting Algae Has anyone tried tossing some Daphnia into the water trays. I'm not sure how they'd handle the acidic environment, but they're tiny crustaceans that are fairly robust. I used to grow them to feed my fish, but I know some people feed them to their aquatic utrics. They proliferate rapidly, and consume algae (and small bacteria which may be an added benefit). Assuming they grow in the acidic conditions, when they clear out all the algae from one tray, you could just pour a small amount of them into another high algae tray, and they would go to work. I think I'll go order some and try that out. Steve ----- Original Message ----- To: Sent: Monday, March 24, 2003 11:29 AM > I’m looking for suggestions regarding methods of controlling algae buildup in the water trays in my greenhouse. Last summer I had a terrible problem with algae, and would like to hopefully, prevent the problem this year. It got so bad at one point that I lost a plant because the algae blocked the holes in the bottom of the pot, and the plant’s media literally dried out while the pot sat in two inches of water. I’d prefer a non-chemical method if effective, and certainly the number one requirement is that it not harm the plants (Sarracenia, mostly). ################### From: Cp@omnisterra.com (Chris Teichreb) Date: Mon, 24 Mar 2003 14:52:30 -0800 Subject: [CP] D. prolifera Mike, > >Hello everyone > > I was wondering if anyone has any extra or knows where to get some >Drosera >prolifera seed. I have been searching for some time now with no luck. I >dont >have anything to trade but am more than willing to purchase some. any help >would be great >Thanks >Mike > You'd probably be better off trying to get some plants. In my own experience, the Queensland sundews (D.adelae, prolifera and schizandra) never produce seed, but are easily propagated using other methods (leaf, root cuttings) or produce numerous offspring on their own. D.prolifera is common enough in collections that I imagine you could find someone willing to sell a few extras. Good luck! Chris _________________________________________________________________ MSN 8 helps eliminate e-mail viruses. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/virus ################### From: Cp@omnisterra.com (Chris Teichreb) Date: Mon, 24 Mar 2003 16:28:19 -0800 Subject: [CP] Combatting Algae Steve, I would hesitate to add Daphnia or any other large zooplankton to the water trays for a number of reasons: 1. I don't think the water volume is large enough to allow a stable environment for these guys to live in. 2. The algae that has grown in my trays (may be different for others) is a slimy blue-green algae (actually a photosynthetic bacteria, but that's besides the point). A lot of blue-greens have protective measures preventing their consumption - mucilagenous sheaths, colony formation, production of toxins, etc. 3. If the zooplankton did consume the algae, then they would have nothing to eat and if not provided with new stock, the population would likely crash. Rotting zooplankton means release of nutrients and more algae. 4. Larger zooplankton like Daphnia are relatively intolerant of low pH waters and are usually replaced by smaller species. I think the water in the trays would probably be a bit too acidic for them, or at the very least you would need to spend a few weeks adapting them to the low pH water. I'm not saying that it wouldn't work, but on this small of a scale, I think success rates would be limited. Even when I've cultured Daphnia in large aquaria, I have had crashes in populations due to slight changes in water chemistry. However, if it works for you, great! Just adding the above as words of caution. Cheers! Chris -- Chris Teichreb http://www.geocities.com/VCPC2000 (Vancouver Carnivorous Plant Club) >From: "Steve Ray \(URMC\)" >Reply-To: Cp@omnisterra.com >To: >Subject: Re: [CP] Combatting Algae >Date: Mon, 24 Mar 2003 17:41:42 -0500 > >Has anyone tried tossing some Daphnia into the water trays. I'm not sure >how they'd handle the acidic environment, but they're tiny crustaceans that >are fairly robust. I used to grow them to feed my fish, but I know some >people feed them to their aquatic utrics. They proliferate rapidly, and >consume algae (and small bacteria which may be an added benefit). Assuming >they grow in the acidic conditions, when they clear out all the algae from >one tray, you could just pour a small amount of them into another high >algae tray, and they would go to work. I think I'll go order some and try >that out. > >Steve > > >----- Original Message ----- >From: >To: >Sent: Monday, March 24, 2003 11:29 AM >Subject: [CP] Combatting Algae > > > > I’m looking for suggestions regarding methods of controlling algae >buildup >in the water trays in my greenhouse. Last summer I had a terrible problem >with algae, and would like to hopefully, prevent the problem this year. It >got so bad at one point that I lost a plant because the algae blocked the >holes in the bottom of the pot, and the plant’s media literally dried out >while the pot sat in two inches of water. I’d prefer a non-chemical >method >if effective, and certainly the number one requirement is that it not harm >the plants (Sarracenia, mostly). > > >_______________________________________________ >Cp mailing list >Cp@omnisterra.com >http://omnisterra.com/mailman/listinfo/cp_omnisterra.com _________________________________________________________________ STOP MORE SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail ################### From: Cp@omnisterra.com (Cp@omnisterra.com) Date: Mon, 24 Mar 2003 19:38:03 -0500 Subject: [CP] hello from a new subscriber Hello all, My name is Calen Hall, I live just north of San Francisco, California. I grow CPs in a greenhouse and outdoors, my favorites being Sarracenia, Drosera, and Nepenthes. I became interested in the plants after a 7th grade science project,during which I bought a few plants as "visual aids." Those plants led to all this current trouble! That was four years ago, and I couln't be happier with my hobby. By the way, does anyone know how I can receive a copy of Allen Lowrie's seed list? I really want to be able to grow some of the less commonly available South African and Australian sundews from seed. Thanks, Calen ################### From: Cp@omnisterra.com (Gary Kong) Date: Tue, 25 Mar 2003 02:45:57 -0500 Subject: [CP] Combatting Algae Chris-- All good points. In addition, one must consider that whatever goes in must come out. I would think Daphnia produce nutrient rich "excretions." No? Gary Kong "Chris Teichreb" wrote: > >Steve, > >   I would hesitate to add Daphnia or any other large zooplankton to the >water trays for a number of reasons: > >   1.  I don't think the water volume is large enough to allow a stable >environment for these guys to live in. > >   2.  The algae that has grown in my trays (may be different for others) is >a slimy blue-green algae (actually a photosynthetic bacteria, but that's >besides the point).  A lot of blue-greens have protective measures >preventing their consumption - mucilagenous sheaths, colony formation, >production of toxins, etc. > >   3.  If the zooplankton did consume the algae, then they would have >nothing to eat and if not provided with new stock, the population would >likely crash.  Rotting zooplankton means release of nutrients and more >algae. > >   4.  Larger zooplankton like Daphnia are relatively intolerant of low pH >waters and are usually replaced by smaller species.  I think the water in >the trays would probably be a bit too acidic for them, or at the very least >you would need to spend a few weeks adapting them to the low pH water. > >   I'm not saying that it wouldn't work, but on this small of a scale, I >think success rates would be limited.  Even when I've cultured Daphnia in >large aquaria, I have had crashes in populations due to slight changes in >water chemistry.  However, if it works for you, great!  Just adding the >above as words of caution. > >Cheers! > >Chris > >-- >Chris Teichreb > >http://www.geocities.com/VCPC2000 (Vancouver Carnivorous Plant Club) > > > > >>From: "Steve Ray \(URMC\)" >>Reply-To: Cp@omnisterra.com >>To: >>Subject: Re: [CP] Combatting Algae >>Date: Mon, 24 Mar 2003 17:41:42 -0500 >> >>Has anyone tried tossing some Daphnia into the water trays.  I'm not sure >>how they'd handle the acidic environment, but they're tiny crustaceans that >>are fairly robust.  I used to grow them to feed my fish, but I know some >>people feed them to their aquatic utrics.  They proliferate rapidly, and >>consume algae (and small bacteria which may be an added benefit).  Assuming >>they grow in the acidic conditions, when they clear out all the algae from >>one tray,  you could just pour a small amount of them into another high >>algae tray, and they would go to work.  I think I'll go order some and try >>that out. >> >>Steve >> >> >>----- Original Message ----- >>From: >>To: >>Sent: Monday, March 24, 2003 11:29 AM >>Subject: [CP] Combatting Algae >> >> >> > I’m looking for suggestions regarding methods of controlling algae >>buildup >>in the water trays in my greenhouse.  Last summer I had a terrible problem >>with algae, and would like to hopefully, prevent the problem this year.  It >>got so bad at one point that I lost a plant because the algae blocked the >>holes in the bottom of the pot, and the plant’s media literally dried out >>while the pot sat in two inches of water.  I’d prefer a non-chemical >>method >>if effective, and certainly the number one requirement is that it not harm >>the plants (Sarracenia, mostly). >> >> >>_______________________________________________ >>Cp mailing list >>Cp@omnisterra.com >>http://omnisterra.com/mailman/listinfo/cp_omnisterra.com > > >_________________________________________________________________ >STOP MORE SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE*   >http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail > > >_______________________________________________ >Cp mailing list >Cp@omnisterra.com >http://omnisterra.com/mailman/listinfo/cp_omnisterra.com > -- San Francisco, CA World Leader Pretend: http://www.foulds2000.freeserve.co.uk/bushv5.htm __________________________________________________________________ Try AOL and get 1045 hours FREE for 45 days! http://free.aol.com/tryaolfree/index.adp?375380 Get AOL Instant Messenger 5.1 for FREE! Download Now! http://aim.aol.com/aimnew/Aim/register.adp?promos=380455 ################### From: Cp@omnisterra.com (Michael Fitz) Date: Tue, 25 Mar 2003 06:39:31 -0500 (Eastern Standard Time) Subject: [CP] Byblis and Drosophyllum hey guys,=0D I'm looking for Byblis and Drosophyllum. If anyone has any seeds for tra= de let me know i have many things for trade,=0D =0D Mike ################### From: Cp@omnisterra.com (Steve Ray) Date: Tue, 25 Mar 2003 10:00:38 -0500 Subject: [CP] Combatting Algae Those are good things to think about. The daphnia pulex and daphnia magna I used to have were very stable on a population level, never crashing even when food ran out, but that could have been because they were monitored every couple days. Still, it probably would take some selection to get a robust population in the fairly acidic tray water (though I know some people raise them in peat soaked water for certain Ciclids). As far as nutrient rich "excretions" or release of nutrients from rotting daphnia, I question whether this would actually be a problem, since you're not adding exogenous nutrients to the system. However, it is probably valid that the nutrients being sequestered in the daphnia might be less desirable since the zooplankton are probably less stable than the algae. As far as which algae you have in your water...my water usually seems to have the small "cloudy" algae, not cyanobacteria (blue green algae) or any of the "hair" type algaes. Therefore your absolutely right, the algae the daphnia would work on are probably the least likely to cause problems by plugging your drainage holes. Since you'd have to dump the population every time the algae ran out, you might as well just dump the normal water and skip the daphnia. It might be worth trying when I get some Utrics though. Steve ----- Original Message ----- To: Sent: Tuesday, March 25, 2003 2:45 AM > All good points. In addition, one must consider that whatever goes in must come out. I would think Daphnia produce nutrient rich "excretions." No? > > Gary Kong > > "Chris Teichreb" wrote: > > I would hesitate to add Daphnia or any other large zooplankton to the > >water trays for a number of reasons: > > > > 1. I don't think the water volume is large enough to allow a stable > >environment for these guys to live in. > > > > 2. The algae that has grown in my trays (may be different for others) is > >a slimy blue-green algae (actually a photosynthetic bacteria, but that's > >besides the point). A lot of blue-greens have protective measures > >preventing their consumption - mucilagenous sheaths, colony formation, > >production of toxins, etc. > > > > 3. If the zooplankton did consume the algae, then they would have > >nothing to eat and if not provided with new stock, the population would > >likely crash. Rotting zooplankton means release of nutrients and more > >algae. > > > > 4. Larger zooplankton like Daphnia are relatively intolerant of low pH > >waters and are usually replaced by smaller species. I think the water in > >the trays would probably be a bit too acidic for them, or at the very least > >you would need to spend a few weeks adapting them to the low pH water. > > > > I'm not saying that it wouldn't work, but on this small of a scale, I > >think success rates would be limited. Even when I've cultured Daphnia in > >large aquaria, I have had crashes in populations due to slight changes in > >water chemistry. However, if it works for you, great! Just adding the > >above as words of caution. ################### From: Cp@omnisterra.com (Ivan Snyder) Date: Tue, 25 Mar 2003 07:40:00 -0800 Subject: [CP] Re: Carnivorous moss >an short article recently appeared in the Drosera VZW newsletter talking about a moss in Kenya that has proven to be carnivorous. The only thing missing was a genus and species name. Can any of you that are more in the field of scientific publications shed a bit of light on this? Cheers, Frederick Hi Fred, Sounds like you're describing Selaginella sp.. I have read of a species having water filled cups of unknown purpose. Ivan ________________________________________________________________ Sign Up for Juno Platinum Internet Access Today Only $9.95 per month! Visit www.juno.com ################### From: Cp@omnisterra.com (Cp@omnisterra.com) Date: Tue, 25 Mar 2003 11:05:28 -0500 Subject: [CP] Re: Re: Help starting D. collinsiae from seed Glen, I was thinking that species of Drosera was a Winter grower, so the cooler temps should not have been a problem. It's been a while since I have grown this one, but it was straight-foward for me(I sowed them in milled sphagnum). Maybe the seed I had was super fresh. Regards, Joe Griffin Lincoln, NE USA In a message dated 3/24/2003 3:41:04 PM Eastern Standard Time, GPetersen@Haden.com writes: > > > Hi Matt, > > I sowed the D. collinsiae seeds last fall. I kept the seeds, in a pot > covered with plastic, outside with my tuberous Drosera seeds. I realized > that this was probably the wrong method so I brought the pot inside and put > it on a propagation heat mat, my basement is very cold. It stayed on the > heat mat for about two months. I then removed the pot and it has been in > my grow room seeing temps in the high sixties to low seventies at night > (grow light on) and low to mid fifties during the day. I plan on moving > the pot outdoors in May to see what happens. It's almost warm in Michigan > in May. > > I have not been able to find any useful propagation data on this plant on > line or in the listserv achieves. Should I try smoke treatment or Giberelic > Acid for my next batch. I don't even know where to get Giberelic Acid. > > They say patience is a virtue, maybe that's all I need to get them to > germinate. > > As a side note, many D. gigantia germinated and one D. macrantha spp. > macrantha and one D. stolonifera spp. stolonifera germinated. They are very > tiny! I hope I can keep them alive long enough to go > dormant for the summer > and come back next fall. All of my fingers are crossed. > > Glenn Petersen > > > _______________________________________________ > Cp mailing list > Cp@omnisterra.com > http://omnisterra.com/mailman/listinfo/cp_omnisterra.com ################### From: Cp@omnisterra.com (Chris Teichreb) Date: Tue, 25 Mar 2003 08:19:45 -0800 Subject: [CP] Combatting Algae Hi Gary, Well, sort of. A large amount of the nutrients become bound up in the Daphnia for growth and reproduction, but yes nutrients are also lost through excretion and sloppy feeding. In a pond or lake, waste products usually sink into the sediments or are utilized by smaller organisms like bacteria. Generally, the nutrients are never really lost or gained, just recycled through various processes. Some blue-green algae have the nasty habit of being able to fix atmospheric nitrogen. Thus, even if you get rid of all of the nitrogen in your water trays, they will happily grow and introduce new nutrients to the system. One way to control them is to actually increase nitrogen concentrations. Counterintuitive, but it works. Only then you're left with other algae, but hopefully ones that are more easily controlled by the Daphnia. So, getting back to cp's. Another method to try and keep down algae is to grow some small aquatic utric, like U.gibba (an affixed aquatic, I know, but it does fine in water trays) in the water trays. Its rapid growth will compete for limited nutrients with the algae. Good luck! Chris -- Chris Teichreb http://www.geocities.com/VCPC2000 (Vancouver Carnivorous Plant Club) > >Chris-- > >All good points. In addition, one must consider that whatever goes in must >come out. I would think Daphnia produce nutrient rich "excretions." No? > >Gary Kong > _________________________________________________________________ Tired of spam? Get advanced junk mail protection with MSN 8. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail ################### From: Cp@omnisterra.com (joan anton escuder) Date: Tue, 25 Mar 2003 08:38:04 -0800 (PST) Subject: [CP] Nepenthes gentle To all those expert growers of Nepenthes. Hello, I have been growing some CP's for some years, including dionaea, sarracenia, drosera, pinguicula and some nepenthes. Last week I bought a Nepenthes "gentle". I am sure it's an hybrid but no one of my books (damato, slack, pietropaolo...) says anything about it. Any idea? Thank you. Juan. __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Platinum - Watch CBS' NCAA March Madness, live on your desktop! http://platinum.yahoo.com ################### From: Cp@omnisterra.com (Cp@omnisterra.com) Date: Tue, 25 Mar 2003 11:48:39 -0500 Subject: [CP] Nepenthes gentle Juan, Where did you get it? I have heard the name frequently, but only in the last few months. Regards, Joe Griffin Lincoln, NE USA In a message dated 3/25/2003 11:38:04 AM Eastern Standard Time, jaescuder@yahoo.com writes: > > > To all those expert growers of Nepenthes. > Hello, > I have been growing some CP's for some years, > including dionaea, sarracenia, drosera, pinguicula and > some nepenthes. Last week I bought a Nepenthes > "gentle". I am sure it's an hybrid but no one of my > books (damato, slack, pietropaolo...) says anything > about it. > Any idea? > Thank you. > Juan. > > __________________________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Platinum - Watch CBS' NCAA March Madness, live on > your desktop! > http://platinum.yahoo.com > > _______________________________________________ > Cp mailing list > Cp@omnisterra.com > http://omnisterra.com/mailman/listinfo/cp_omnisterra.com ################### From: Cp@omnisterra.com (Cp@omnisterra.com) Date: Tue, 25 Mar 2003 11:55:23 -0500 Subject: [CP] Combatting Algae This is kind of off the wall, especially since quite a few organisms co-exist with Nepenthes, but has anyone tried dumping algae in Npenehtes pitchers to see iof they digest it? The nutrient-rich water from the daphnia would probably get adsorbed. The only reason I even ask, is I have never heard of anyone getting algae problems in their plant's pitchers. Regards, Joe Griffin Lincoln, NE USA , bored at work and hurting all over(not a hang-over) In a message dated 3/25/2003 11:19:45 AM Eastern Standard Time, cteichreb@hotmail.com writes: > > > > > Hi Gary, > > Well, sort of. A large amount of the nutrients become bound up in the > Daphnia for growth and reproduction, but yes nutrients are also lost through > excretion and sloppy feeding. In a pond or lake, waste products usually > sink into the sediments or are utilized by smaller organisms like bacteria. > Generally, the nutrients are never really lost or gained, just recycled > through various processes. > > Some blue-green algae have the nasty habit of being able to fix > atmospheric nitrogen. Thus, even if you get rid of all of the nitrogen in > your water trays, they will happily grow and introduce new nutrients to the > system. One way to control them is to actually increase nitrogen > concentrations. Counterintuitive, but it works. Only then you're left with > other algae, but hopefully ones that are more easily controlled by the > Daphnia. > > So, getting back to cp's. Another method to try and keep down algae is > to grow some small aquatic utric, like U.gibba (an affixed aquatic, I know, > but it does fine in water trays) in the water trays. Its rapid growth will > compete for limited nutrients with the algae. > > Good luck! > > Chris > > -- > Chris Teichreb > > http://www.geocities.com/VCPC2000 (Vancouver Carnivorous Plant Club) > > > > > >Chris-- > > > >All good points. In addition, one must consider that whatever goes in must > >come out. I would think Daphnia produce nutrient rich "excretions." No? > > > >Gary Kong > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > Tired of spam? Get advanced junk mail protection with MSN > 8. > http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail > > > _______________________________________________ > Cp mailing list > Cp@omnisterra.com > http://omnisterra.com/mailman/listinfo/cp_omnisterra.com ################### From: Cp@omnisterra.com (Massey, Oliver) Date: Tue, 25 Mar 2003 12:21:53 -0500 Subject: [CP] RE: algae control FWI, tadpoles are pretty good at eating algae, altho they will also eat your aquatic utrics once they get big enough. I haven't lost any utrics yet, but then again my trays are so full that in some places it's a solid mat. The tadpoles did manage to eat a big circle out of the middle of one of the spots. On another note, I wondered if they would suffer from the occasional bug spray -malathion, orthene, etc - but they seemed to be unharmed last year. I would like to see you try to catch a couple of amorous frogs ang get them to move into your trays Ha! BTW, can we get the new list in non-digest form? Tom in Fl ################### From: Cp@omnisterra.com (Cp@omnisterra.com) Date: Tue, 25 Mar 2003 12:27:58 -0500 Subject: [CP] Re: Carnivorous moss (Frederick JM Depuydt) MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <467AAB91.0DD2BCA7.36454BDB@aol.com> X-Mailer: Atlas Mailer 2.0 X-AOL-IP: 131.111.8.102 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit >>I'm currently reading a book by Richard Dawkins (the title is Dutch and doesn't translate that well) in which he states that some complex intrepid mechanisms - e.g. eyes - have been independantly developped by nature over and over for so many times, << The english version is titled the "Selfish Gene", and though Dawkins is a master of stating the obvious, he raises many interesting points and makes them all very accessible to people with no background in science whatsoever. Interestingly enough, it is statements like the above that many anti-evolutionists (what Brits might call 'hardcore biblebashers') sieze upon as evidence that there is no way that something so complex and fantastic as the eye (extend to plant carnivory!) could possibly have developed - Dawkins calls this the "Argument from personal incredulity". Of course, when they try to go scientific on us, these same people also tend to cite the 2nd Law of Thermodynamics (disordered states are more probable than ordered ones), and while yes, living things did and are creating order from disorder, this argument is equally invalid for reasons that I consider obvious. Interesting topic ;) Cheers, Alastair ################### From: Cp@omnisterra.com (Barry A. Rice) Date: Tue, 25 Mar 2003 09:28:21 -0800 (PST) Subject: [CP] Year end taxes Hey Folks, It is tax time. Sigh. However, I wanted to remind US folks on this listserve that the ICPS is a 501c3 nonprofit organization, and donations to it are fully tax deductible. We have an active conservation program with various initiatives on a number of rare species. Currently, and within the last few years, we've worked on conservation initiatives on the various taxa: Sarracenia alabamensis Sarracenia jonesii Sarracenia oreophila Pinguicula ionantha Nepenthes clipeata Darlintonia california Sarracenia purpurea var. montana Dionaea muscipula If you'd like to make a donation, please contact me, or simply send a donation to us (ICPS, 3310 East Yorba Linda Blvd, PMB 330, Fullerton, CA 92831). Cheers Barry P.S. Sorry about this notice if it offends, but these are hard times for conservation nonprofits! This is the only appeal I'll send out this fiscal year. ------------------------ Barry A. Rice, Ph.D. Carnivorous Plant Newsletter Conservation Coeditor barry@carnivorousplants.org http://www.carnivorousplants.org ################### From: Cp@omnisterra.com (Cp@omnisterra.com) Date: Tue, 25 Mar 2003 12:42:58 -0500 Subject: [CP] Re: D. collinsiae gemination I have had mixed luck germinating the seeds of collinsiae. Last autumn I had a ton of seeds germinate easily when sowed on regular sundew mix without stratification. However, this spring I tried another batch with stratification and nothing has happened so far, even though all the other pots of temperate and subtropical sundews have already sprouted. Maybe autumn is the time to sow this guy after all. Also, in reply to the drosera prolifera question, I think that California Carnivores has plants in stock. they are not listed on the website, but you could probably get one if you negotiated. Peace, Calen Hall ################### From: Cp@omnisterra.com (Victor Brown) Date: Tue, 25 Mar 2003 21:17:11 -0000 Subject: [CP] Re: Nepenthes 'Gentle' I have no idea of the parentage of this hybrid, but large numbers are becoming available in retail outlets in Europe. As yet I haven't seen them on sale in the UK, but I keep my eyes peeled as I want one. They are produced by the Dutch nursery Henk Braam, and pictured on their website http://www.henkbraam.nl/nepenthes.htm. No doubt the Nepenthes 'gurus' on the list can ID it. Nepenthes 'Miranda' which is also produced by this nursery is now on sale in the UK, but I have yet to find it as well. Vic Brown Cambridgshire UK ################### From: Cp@omnisterra.com (Cp@omnisterra.com) Date: Tue, 25 Mar 2003 21:20:48 -0000 Subject: [CP] Re: Nepenthes 'Gentle' I have no idea of the parentage of this hybrid, but large numbers arebecoming available in retail outlets in Europe. As yet I haven't seen them on sale in the UK, but I keep my eyes peeled as I want one. They are produced by the Dutch nursery Henk Braam, and pictured on their website http://www.henkbraam.nl/nepenthes.htm. No doubt the Nepenthes 'gurus' on the list can try to ID it. Nepenthes 'Miranda' which is also produced by this nursery is now on sale in the UK, but I have yet to find this one either. Any UK folk who know where to get either, please contact me off-list. Cheers Vic Brown Cambridgshire UK ################### From: Cp@omnisterra.com ({USER_FIRSTNAME} {USER_LASTNAME}) Date: Tue, 25 Mar 2003 19:04:54 -0500 Subject: [CP] Re: Nepenthes 'Gentle' Nepenthes Gentle is looking like a N. maxima based on the leaves and pitchers though the picture isn't very good. I would bet its a maxima, or a hybrid that favors maxima. Nah, that's not a hybrid but a maxima. The Miranda is a maxima hybrid, but favors N. x mixta for certain. A few years ago the Dutch nurseries had several pure clones of N. maxima available along with the N. maxima `supurba hybrid, then they fell away for awhile while the N. maxima `supurba variety (whatever it really is as per the Dutch nurseries I have no idea, but its robust and a good general hybrid) which isn't as showy as this N. gentle thing they seem to have renamed the unidentified maxima plant. My guess, and I will stick with it. Take care, Mike St. Petersburg Florida ----- Original Message ----- To: Sent: Tuesday, March 25, 2003 4:17 PM > I have no idea of the parentage of this hybrid, but large numbers are > becoming available in retail outlets in Europe. As yet I haven't seen them > on sale in the UK, but I keep my eyes peeled as I want one. They are > produced by the Dutch nursery Henk Braam, and pictured on their website > http://www.henkbraam.nl/nepenthes.htm. No doubt the Nepenthes 'gurus' on the > list can ID it. Nepenthes 'Miranda' which is also produced by this nursery > is now on sale in the UK, but I have yet to find it as well. > > Vic Brown Cambridgshire UK > > > > _______________________________________________ > Cp mailing list > Cp@omnisterra.com > http://omnisterra.com/mailman/listinfo/cp_omnisterra.com ################### From: Cp@omnisterra.com (Chris Teichreb) Date: Tue, 25 Mar 2003 16:49:23 -0800 Subject: [CP] Re: Nepenthes 'Gentle' I'm no Nepenthes expert or guru, but I agree with Mike that it definitely looks like a N.maxima hybrid. Interestingly, the plant shown in the picture looks very much like one of the Gubler neps that made its way around most of N.America. I wonder if they exchanged tc stock? If it is the same plant, it's extremely easy to grow with great colouration in the pitchers. Chris -- Chris Teichreb http://www.geocities.com/VCPC2000 (Vancouver Carnivorous Plant Club) >From: "{USER_FIRSTNAME} {USER_LASTNAME}" >Reply-To: Cp@omnisterra.com >To: >Subject: Re: [CP] Re: Nepenthes 'Gentle' >Date: Tue, 25 Mar 2003 19:04:54 -0500 > >Nepenthes Gentle is looking like a N. maxima based on the leaves and >pitchers though the picture isn't very good. I would bet its a maxima, or a >hybrid that favors maxima. Nah, that's not a hybrid but a maxima. > >The Miranda is a maxima hybrid, but favors N. x mixta for certain. > >A few years ago the Dutch nurseries had several pure clones of N. maxima >available along with the N. maxima `supurba hybrid, then they fell away for >awhile while the N. maxima `supurba variety (whatever it really is as per >the Dutch nurseries I have no idea, but its robust and a good general >hybrid) which isn't as showy as this N. gentle thing they seem to have >renamed the unidentified maxima plant. > >My guess, and I will stick with it. > >Take care, > >Mike >St. Petersburg Florida > > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Victor Brown" >To: >Sent: Tuesday, March 25, 2003 4:17 PM >Subject: [CP] Re: Nepenthes 'Gentle' > > > > I have no idea of the parentage of this hybrid, but large numbers are > > becoming available in retail outlets in Europe. As yet I haven't seen >them > > on sale in the UK, but I keep my eyes peeled as I want one. They are > > produced by the Dutch nursery Henk Braam, and pictured on their website > > http://www.henkbraam.nl/nepenthes.htm. No doubt the Nepenthes 'gurus' on >the > > list can ID it. Nepenthes 'Miranda' which is also produced by this >nursery > > is now on sale in the UK, but I have yet to find it as well. > > > > Vic Brown Cambridgshire UK > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Cp mailing list > > Cp@omnisterra.com > > http://omnisterra.com/mailman/listinfo/cp_omnisterra.com > > >_______________________________________________ >Cp mailing list >Cp@omnisterra.com >http://omnisterra.com/mailman/listinfo/cp_omnisterra.com _________________________________________________________________ Protect your PC - get McAfee.com VirusScan Online http://clinic.mcafee.com/clinic/ibuy/campaign.asp?cid=3963 ################### From: Cp@omnisterra.com ({USER_FIRSTNAME} {USER_LASTNAME}) Date: Tue, 25 Mar 2003 20:15:22 -0500 Subject: [CP] Re: Nepenthes 'Gentle' more likely Grubler bought the plants directly and just packaged them as Grubler. ..but Chris I don't know which of the plants you are talking about as to having good coloration. The reality is the most red plant if that is your thing in the Dutch selection is in fact the N. x ventrata when given full sun it will turn a deep tomato red, the maxima (gentle plants) could very well be N. maxima Sulawesi (wavy leaf) and have very vivid coloration with a crimson or purple peristome, the miranda or whatever is another extremely colorful (N x mixta= maxima x northiana) very large pitchering plant and tolerant of what one parent isn't lower humidity as well as vivid northern hemisphere sun. I think one fact about growing Nepenthes that I strongly disagree with is the myth they do not like full sun once acclimated, they do very much for the most. Again N. rafflesiana or N. bicalcarata are prime examples of plants touted that don't like full sun, but without a doubt at 27 degrees north of the equator I can tell you they soak up the summertime sun for a few hours and pitcher with vivid colors, as does N. ampullaria red, where as the other amps prefer shaded conditions. Maybe you can find them in shadier locations in natural habitat at 0 degrees on the planet, but most are not on the equator here. N. x ventrata from the Dutch is a extremely easy and stunning plant but often boring because not put in full sun, this thing is incredible when given a chance- for color verse amount of pitchers it has no equal for a easy Nepenthes, though not a desired hybrid, the plant is wild given the chance to "tan" These Dutch plants represent very colorful examples when given very good/strong light with not only good color but sturdy-toothy peristomes. Mike St. Petersburg Florida ----- Original Message ----- To: Sent: Tuesday, March 25, 2003 7:49 PM > > I'm no Nepenthes expert or guru, but I agree with Mike that it definitely > looks like a N.maxima hybrid. Interestingly, the plant shown in the picture > looks very much like one of the Gubler neps that made its way around most of > N.America. I wonder if they exchanged tc stock? If it is the same plant, > it's extremely easy to grow with great colouration in the pitchers. > > Chris > > -- > Chris Teichreb > > http://www.geocities.com/VCPC2000 (Vancouver Carnivorous Plant Club) > > > > > >From: "{USER_FIRSTNAME} {USER_LASTNAME}" > >Reply-To: Cp@omnisterra.com > >To: > >Subject: Re: [CP] Re: Nepenthes 'Gentle' > >Date: Tue, 25 Mar 2003 19:04:54 -0500 > > > >Nepenthes Gentle is looking like a N. maxima based on the leaves and > >pitchers though the picture isn't very good. I would bet its a maxima, or a > >hybrid that favors maxima. Nah, that's not a hybrid but a maxima. > > > >The Miranda is a maxima hybrid, but favors N. x mixta for certain. > > > >A few years ago the Dutch nurseries had several pure clones of N. maxima > >available along with the N. maxima `supurba hybrid, then they fell away for > >awhile while the N. maxima `supurba variety (whatever it really is as per > >the Dutch nurseries I have no idea, but its robust and a good general > >hybrid) which isn't as showy as this N. gentle thing they seem to have > >renamed the unidentified maxima plant. > > > >My guess, and I will stick with it. > > > >Take care, > > > >Mike > >St. Petersburg Florida > > > > > >----- Original Message ----- > >From: "Victor Brown" > >To: > >Sent: Tuesday, March 25, 2003 4:17 PM > >Subject: [CP] Re: Nepenthes 'Gentle' > > > > > > > I have no idea of the parentage of this hybrid, but large numbers are > > > becoming available in retail outlets in Europe. As yet I haven't seen > >them > > > on sale in the UK, but I keep my eyes peeled as I want one. They are > > > produced by the Dutch nursery Henk Braam, and pictured on their website > > > http://www.henkbraam.nl/nepenthes.htm. No doubt the Nepenthes 'gurus' on > >the > > > list can ID it. Nepenthes 'Miranda' which is also produced by this > >nursery > > > is now on sale in the UK, but I have yet to find it as well. > > > > > > Vic Brown Cambridgshire UK > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Cp mailing list > > > Cp@omnisterra.com > > > http://omnisterra.com/mailman/listinfo/cp_omnisterra.com > > > > > >_______________________________________________ > >Cp mailing list > >Cp@omnisterra.com > >http://omnisterra.com/mailman/listinfo/cp_omnisterra.com > > > _________________________________________________________________ > Protect your PC - get McAfee.com VirusScan Online > http://clinic.mcafee.com/clinic/ibuy/campaign.asp?cid=3963 > > > _______________________________________________ > Cp mailing list > Cp@omnisterra.com > http://omnisterra.com/mailman/listinfo/cp_omnisterra.com ################### From: Cp@omnisterra.com (Cp@omnisterra.com) Date: Tue, 25 Mar 2003 23:38:17 -0500 Subject: [CP] Re: algae control Chris, I use a combination of U. gibba and aquatic snails to control algae. The utric, like you mentioned, uses the few precious nutrients available in the water, while the snails physically consume the algae. The mats of bladderwort also provide nesting sites for the snails to lay their eggs upon. I haven't had problems with snails consuming the utric - I think it grows too fast to be in any danger. calen ################### From: Cp@omnisterra.com ({USER_FIRSTNAME} {USER_LASTNAME}) Date: Wed, 26 Mar 2003 00:17:22 -0500 Subject: [CP] New Sarracenia pest: = Exyra moth damage Hi, Though the year is 2003 and I have been growing Sarracenia since 1974 I have never heard mention of this pest. But this is to be expected as is the course of things as we grow plants that eat bugs so no bugs could not possibly be a threat to our plants. The scarcasm is in my voice, and even if mentioned in the past would not lesson the effect on ones plants if under attack. The problem is I just cannot, or will not accept the fact that no publication in print covers pest or disease of carnivorous plants in even a elemantary way so that the collector or nurseryman has any idea on what they are up against when pest/disease hits. I can't imagine another niche group of plants being given this lackadaisical response by enthusiasts of the Genus/type of plants but alas we typically have this to date. After all I have been growing for almost 30 yrs and the latest book a rewrite by Schnell lacks all detail about potenial problem, worse than in the first 1976 printing and certainly with no new cultural data. Is it no wonder the new memebers to this group of plants quickly tires of loss of plants and moves on to the darn cacti group for a fullfilling hobby of botanicals???? Here is a new ID'd pest that can prove a true heartache to a collection of Sarracenia but will feed on Drosera or Pings too. Persectania ewingii, this is the Southern Army worm. While that is the beast here it could also be a Pseudaletia convecta or a common army worm. These devils equal the Exyra moth in damage quickly if they encounter your plants. Commonly a lawn pest, they have no problem with ornamentals and help themselves with rapid spread into new tender spring growth of Sarracenia. This insect is a total defoliator, and damn tough to control by first attack at it. There are many different types of army worms, here in the deep south we have the Southern form and I have named 2 above but there are more in the family. These are night flying moths, so that is a indicator if they could bother your plants and as I stated a preference for turf first, then anything is game, not uncommon for perennials to be fair game. When they are young they look like the traditional caterpillar but as the larva grow they become more grub looking in their later tri-star phases. Laid in the earth the small cats crawl up and drill a hole in the swelling portion of a unopened Sarracenia leaf, safe inside the leaf -protected from the elements of strong chemical contact spray they defoliate and wreck the plants new tender growth rapidly. A sure sign is a arching backward new pitcher with brown dots around it. The larva is inside the hollow pitcher. Do not waste time with organic pesticides if you pull a arching pitcher as I describe. Inside you will find a single lone army worm they are l larva stage caterpillar per leaf. A strong systematic should be used at once, as the name suggest "army: and many other worms are moving on to other targets separately. Marathon appears useless on these and I have used Orthene but results if any will be slow as the protection of the pitcher will take some time for the absorption to work for the sucking pest of hell Steve Le Warre suggest a fine pesticide in this case Conserve, I have yet to test these on the pest. Sevin or Malethion will also work well but are not environmental friendly. As the pest is protected within the pitcher I am not sure that results will come from this. BT is good as is sluggo for picking off very young ground crawling bugs. Once the pitcher is eaten the ugly colored grub looking caterpillar leaves the safety of the mangled pitcher and then devastates the crown/upper rhizome portion of the Sarracenia, eating it like a slug or snail. The plant is very damaged when the host leaves to become a moth. But the early damage is unlike the damage done by the older tri-star caterpillar. Damage is complete and the plant is wrecked by a single pest per plant, more so than by a Exyra. Damage includes Sarracenia flowers as well and the complete flower bud is destroyed before being opening or just after. Damage to Pings or Drosera is complete and includes flowers or seed pods by the younger army worms. They will devour the Ping to the crown and including new crown growth. I have extensive damage to my plants on this date. Roughly 2,500 have been made unmarketable this season upcoming plus many of my private breeding stock have been devoured including blooms. The damage is up from 5% of my total spring nursery market plants to about 20% in 4 days. This continues to grow and I almost wish the damn squirrels were back instead of these!!! Next post about pest I will make will be on lace bugs and how their damage mimics thrips with appearance but like these damn army worms live inside the new pitchers for protection, and I think that's a key here, most insect pest take cover inside the pitcher before it opens.....I see a trend........... Take care, Peace and shit, Mike St. Petersburg Florida ################### From: Cp@omnisterra.com (Gary Kong) Date: Wed, 26 Mar 2003 00:41:06 -0500 Subject: [CP] Re: Nepenthes 'Gentle' i forgot what group of hybrids they are--perhaps N. x Rokko?--but don't they have screwy names like "Balmy Koto," and "Cuddly Wuddly Koto"? "Gentle" seems to be of that ilk. No? Gary Kong "{USER_FIRSTNAME} {USER_LASTNAME}" wrote: >more likely Grubler bought the plants directly and just packaged them as >Grubler. > >..but Chris I don't know which of the plants you are talking about as to >having good coloration. >The reality is the most red plant if that is your thing in the Dutch >selection is in fact the N. x ventrata when given full sun it will turn a >deep tomato red, the maxima (gentle plants) could very well be N. maxima >Sulawesi (wavy leaf) and have very vivid coloration with a crimson or purple >peristome, the miranda or whatever is another extremely colorful (N x mixta= >maxima x northiana) very large pitchering plant and tolerant of what one >parent isn't lower humidity as well as vivid northern hemisphere sun. I >think one fact about growing Nepenthes that I strongly disagree with is the >myth they do not like full sun once acclimated, they do very much for the >most. Again N. rafflesiana or N. bicalcarata are prime examples of plants >touted that don't like full sun, but without a doubt at 27 degrees north of >the equator I can tell you they soak up the summertime sun for a few hours >and pitcher with vivid colors, as does N. ampullaria red, where as the other >amps prefer shaded conditions. > >Maybe you can find them in shadier locations in natural habitat at 0 >degrees on the planet, but most are not on the equator here. N. x ventrata >from the Dutch is a extremely easy and stunning plant but often boring >because not put in full sun, this thing is incredible when given a chance- >for color verse amount of pitchers it has no equal for a easy Nepenthes, >though not a desired hybrid, the plant is wild given the chance to "tan" > >These Dutch plants represent very colorful examples when given very >good/strong light with not only good color but sturdy-toothy peristomes. > >Mike >St. Petersburg Florida > > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Chris Teichreb" >To: >Sent: Tuesday, March 25, 2003 7:49 PM >Subject: Re: [CP] Re: Nepenthes 'Gentle' > > >> >> I'm no Nepenthes expert or guru, but I agree with Mike that it definitely >> looks like a N.maxima hybrid. Interestingly, the plant shown in the >picture >> looks very much like one of the Gubler neps that made its way around most >of >> N.America. I wonder if they exchanged tc stock? If it is the same plant, >> it's extremely easy to grow with great colouration in the pitchers. >> >> Chris >> >> -- >> Chris Teichreb >> >> http://www.geocities.com/VCPC2000 (Vancouver Carnivorous Plant Club) >> >> >> >> >> >From: "{USER_FIRSTNAME} {USER_LASTNAME}" >> >Reply-To: Cp@omnisterra.com >> >To: >> >Subject: Re: [CP] Re: Nepenthes 'Gentle' >> >Date: Tue, 25 Mar 2003 19:04:54 -0500 >> > >> >Nepenthes Gentle is looking like a N. maxima based on the leaves and >> >pitchers though the picture isn't very good. I would bet its a maxima, or >a >> >hybrid that favors maxima. Nah, that's not a hybrid but a maxima. >> > >> >The Miranda is a maxima hybrid, but favors N. x mixta for certain. >> > >> >A few years ago the Dutch nurseries had several pure clones of N. maxima >> >available along with the N. maxima `supurba hybrid, then they fell away >for >> >awhile while the N. maxima `supurba variety (whatever it really is as per >> >the Dutch nurseries I have no idea, but its robust and a good general >> >hybrid) which isn't as showy as this N. gentle thing they seem to have >> >renamed the unidentified maxima plant. >> > >> >My guess, and I will stick with it. >> > >> >Take care, >> > >> >Mike >> >St. Petersburg Florida >> > >> > >> >----- Original Message ----- >> >From: "Victor Brown" >> >To: >> >Sent: Tuesday, March 25, 2003 4:17 PM >> >Subject: [CP] Re: Nepenthes 'Gentle' >> > >> > >> > > I have no idea of the parentage of this hybrid, but large numbers are >> > > becoming available in retail outlets in Europe. As yet I haven't seen >> >them >> > > on sale in the UK, but I keep my eyes peeled as I want one. They are >> > > produced by the Dutch nursery Henk Braam, and pictured on their >website >> > > http://www.henkbraam.nl/nepenthes.htm. No doubt the Nepenthes 'gurus' >on >> >the >> > > list can ID it. Nepenthes 'Miranda' which is also produced by this >> >nursery >> > > is now on sale in the UK, but I have yet to find it as well. >> > > >> > > Vic Brown Cambridgshire UK >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > _______________________________________________ >> > > Cp mailing list >> > > Cp@omnisterra.com >> > > http://omnisterra.com/mailman/listinfo/cp_omnisterra.com >> > >> > >> >_______________________________________________ >> >Cp mailing list >> >Cp@omnisterra.com >> >http://omnisterra.com/mailman/listinfo/cp_omnisterra.com >> >> >> _________________________________________________________________ >> Protect your PC - get McAfee.com VirusScan Online >> http://clinic.mcafee.com/clinic/ibuy/campaign.asp?cid=3963 >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Cp mailing list >> Cp@omnisterra.com >> http://omnisterra.com/mailman/listinfo/cp_omnisterra.com > > >_______________________________________________ >Cp mailing list >Cp@omnisterra.com >http://omnisterra.com/mailman/listinfo/cp_omnisterra.com > -- San Francisco, CA World Leader Pretend: http://www.foulds2000.freeserve.co.uk/bushv5.htm __________________________________________________________________ Try AOL and get 1045 hours FREE for 45 days! http://free.aol.com/tryaolfree/index.adp?375380 Get AOL Instant Messenger 5.1 for FREE! Download Now! http://aim.aol.com/aimnew/Aim/register.adp?promos=380455 ################### From: Cp@omnisterra.com (joan anton escuder) Date: Wed, 26 Mar 2003 02:15:59 -0800 (PST) Subject: [CP] Re: Nepenthes gentle Hi Joe, I bought my nepenthes gentle in a garden center in Barcelona. I had never seen nepenthes like this. They usually have only "alatas" and "coccineas". Best wishes. Juan A. Escuder Barcelona Spain __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Platinum - Watch CBS' NCAA March Madness, live on your desktop! http://platinum.yahoo.com ################### From: Cp@omnisterra.com (Steve Ray) Date: Wed, 26 Mar 2003 10:55:55 -0500 Subject: [CP] Question regarding Sarracenia hybrids In general, are Sarr. hybrids with an S. purpurea spp. purpurea parent more cold hardy. As a northern grower, I'd love to plant some pitchers in my bog that will stand up to the winters as successfully as purple pitchers. Is anyone aware of specific hybrids that are much more cold tolerant than their parentals. Thanks. Steve ################### From: Cp@omnisterra.com (Chris Teichreb) Date: Wed, 26 Mar 2003 08:01:10 -0800 Subject: [CP] Re: Nepenthes 'Gentle' Hi Mike, > >more likely Grubler bought the plants directly and just packaged them as >Grubler. Could be. I know some of the Dutch distributors are quite large. Though I seem to recall that someone on this list had contacted Gubler's directly and they said they propagated their plants from tc, they just didn't know what they had. > >..but Chris I don't know which of the plants you are talking about as to >having good coloration. Ok, I guess I meant good colouration and a pleasing pattern. I agree with your comment about Neps being able to take full sun. As with all cp's, this needs to be done gradually (if you grow them under lights in the winter) or they will burn. Neps grown outdoors in full sun seem to produce thicker, tougher leaves which are more resistant to pests. And yes, the pitchers colour up beautifully! Cheers! Chris _________________________________________________________________ The new MSN 8: smart spam protection and 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail ################### From: Cp@omnisterra.com (Chris Teichreb) Date: Wed, 26 Mar 2003 08:16:29 -0800 Subject: [CP] New Sarracenia pest: = Exyra moth damage Mike, >attack. The problem is I just cannot, or will not accept the fact that no >publication in print covers pest or disease of carnivorous plants in even a >elemantary way so that the collector or nurseryman has any idea on what >they >are up against when pest/disease hits. I can't imagine another niche I don't know, I think D'Amato covers the basic pests with photos of typical damage and the pests themselves as well as treatments. Barry also has some good pest sections on the FAQ. To be honest, I've never heard of the pest you described and doubt it will ever make its way this far north. Unfortunately, Florida seems to be the gateway to many introduced or newly discovered neo-tropical and tropical species, and the climate favours the continued growth and reproduction of all sorts of weird bugs! I think your plants are going to be affected much sooner and by a much wider variety of pests than plants further north. But, if you can warn us about it ahead of time, then that's great! On the topic of pests, one that has been creeping into collections around the Pacific Northwest is the strawberry weevil. I have also heard reports of it from the east coast too. It's not an uncommon pest, but it's only recently that I've heard of it on cp. The telltale sign of infection are round notches chewed out of the wings on Sarracenia or Darlingtonia. This is from adult weevils feeding on the plants. It only affects rhizomatous cp like Sarracenia as it lays its eggs in the rhizome upon which the larvae feed. The larvae will eat the rhizome and chew off the feeder roots, leaving the plant starving for water. You can tell an infected plant by the fact that the pitchers will flop over and the plant will feel loose in the soil. At this point, it's too late, you just have to dig up the plant and dispose of it (preferably burning) to prevent the larvae from hatching out. If you notice the feeding signs of the adults in the spring, it may not be too late for the plant. Chemicals don't work very well, but the adults are easily captured by heading out at night with a flashlight and a pair of tweezers. Once dark, go to the plant and turn on the flashlight. You'll see the adults crawling all over. They can easily be caught and crushed with the tweezers (or heel of your shoe if you prefer!). Do this for several nights and the problem should be solved. Also, to prevent them from getting into the plants in the first place, you can place the plants on raised platforms. The legs of the platform can sit in a bowl of water. Since the adults can't fly, they'll only end up drowning if they try to get to the plants. So, there's my contribution to the seldom mentioned pests. Cheers! Chris -- Chris Teichreb http://www.geocities.com/VCPC2000 (Vancouver Carnivorous Plant Club) _________________________________________________________________ Tired of spam? Get advanced junk mail protection with MSN 8. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail ################### From: Cp@omnisterra.com (Chris Teichreb) Date: Wed, 26 Mar 2003 08:20:31 -0800 Subject: [CP] Question regarding Sarracenia hybrids Steve, >In general, are Sarr. hybrids with an S. purpurea spp. purpurea parent more >cold hardy. As a northern grower, I'd love to plant some pitchers in my >bog >that will stand up to the winters as successfully as purple pitchers. Is >anyone aware of specific hybrids that are much more cold tolerant than >their >parentals. Thanks. > >Steve > Yes, they are, as well as hybrids with S.oreophila. However, most Sarr species and their hybrids are much more cold hardy then what people give them credit for. Even if you live in some godforsaken place like Salt Lake City, there's Sarrs that will tolerate the cold with some preventative measures (mulching). If only there were some cp'er who previously lived in Utah, they could comment on this ;-)! Cheers! Chris -- Chris Teichreb http://www.geocities.com/VCPC2000 (Vancouver Carnivorous Plant Club) _________________________________________________________________ Add photos to your messages with MSN 8. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/featuredemail ################### From: Cp@omnisterra.com (Ivan Snyder) Date: Wed, 26 Mar 2003 08:55:24 -0800 Subject: [CP] Re: Exyra moth >Though the year is 2003 and I have been growing Sarracenia since 1974 I have never heard mention of this pest... Mike St. Petersburg Florida Hey Mike, I saw Exyra on my last visit to the Florida Panhandle and got some photos of damaged pitchers. Exyra semicrocea feeds exclusively on Sarracenia rubra ssp. gulfensis. Though not an attractive moth and a pest, it is still critically endangered and is listed CITES appendix 1. I suggest you not tell of ways to control this pest. There is a minimum fine of $5,000 or 6 months imprisonment for the killing of a single moth or larvae. just joking, Ivan ________________________________________________________________ Sign Up for Juno Platinum Internet Access Today Only $9.95 per month! Visit www.juno.com ################### From: Cp@omnisterra.com (John Green) Date: Wed, 26 Mar 2003 09:13:20 -0800 Subject: [CP] Re: Question regarding Sarracenia hybrids "Steve Ray" writes: >In general, are Sarr. hybrids with an S. purpurea spp. purpurea parent more >cold hardy. As a northern grower, I'd love to plant some pitchers in my bog >that will stand up to the winters as successfully as purple pitchers. Is >anyone aware of specific hybrids that are much more cold tolerant than their >parentals. Thanks. I'm assuming you're in Rochester, NY. Until very recently, I was growing my plants in Salt Lake City, Utah, and my experience is that Sarrs in general are much more cold hardy than their natural ranges would suggest. Surprisingly, the Sarrs that did best for me year-round in my outdoor bogs were S. leucophylla and S. purpurea ssp. venosa. I had a little trouble with S. oreophila, S. purpurea ssp. purpurea, and S. flava probably due to the hot, dry summers. I was unable to establish S. rubra, S. alata, and S. minor in the bogs, but probably could have with more effort. So I'd suggest you experiment a little, not limiting yourself to plants of "known" hardiness. Oh, I should mention that I mulched my bog every winter with about 6-8" of pine needles. John Green West Hills, California http://www.cc.utah.edu/~jsg16/cp.htm ################### From: Cp@omnisterra.com (Cp@omnisterra.com) Date: Wed, 26 Mar 2003 13:17:26 -0500 Subject: [CP] Conservation in CPN Congratulations and thanks to Barry on the fine job re: rare Sarracenia distribution in the latest CPN. Doug ################### From: Cp@omnisterra.com (Susan Farrington) Date: Wed, 26 Mar 2003 13:48:38 -0500 Subject: [CP] Re: Question regarding Sarracenia hybrids Steve, I know that Rochester is colder than St. Louis, but I would encourage you to try ANY Sarracenia in your bog. All species are surprisingly hardy, considering their southern origins. Snow cover (which you seem to get a fair bit of) is helpful in overcoming cold temperatures, but my bog has gone through three winters now, sometimes with snow, sometimes not. I have had every species survive and thrive, except S. alata, which I only obtained last year and haven't planted in the bog yet. I even planted Sarracenia psittacina last year, and it came through this COLD winter just fine. I know people who have grown most species in northern Illinois and Salt Lake City, Utah. Try it and let us all know! If you're still skittish, try Sarracenia oreophila... being from the mountains of Georgia, it is said to be hardier than others. I'm sending you this message directly because I'm unable to post to the listserve right now... our email here is sent out in MIME format no matter what settings I change! Rick is working on it... apparently quite a few of us are having troubles with this. Feel free to post my suggestions to the listseve so that others can comment! Susan Farrington Missouri Botanical Garden ################### From: Cp@omnisterra.com ({USER_FIRSTNAME} {USER_LASTNAME}) Date: Wed, 26 Mar 2003 15:03:41 -0500 Subject: [CP] New Sarracenia pest: = Exyra moth damage Thankyou Chris good information > > So, there's my contribution to the seldom mentioned pests. > > Cheers! > > Chris > > -- > Chris Teichreb > _______________________________________________ > Cp mailing list > Cp@omnisterra.com > http://omnisterra.com/mailman/listinfo/cp_omnisterra.com ################### From: Cp@omnisterra.com (Cp@omnisterra.com) Date: Wed, 26 Mar 2003 16:01:58 EST Subject: [CP] Nepenthes campanulata sale Hi! Just would like to announce a Nepenthes campanulata sale for those in the United States. Nice 3"-5" diameter plants will be available for shipment before the end of April. Please visit my website for more information: www.cpbog.com or e-mail me at: cpbog@aol.com Reservations need to be taken this week to ensure availability since the plants are going fast! Thanks! Owen ################### From: Cp@omnisterra.com (John Green) Date: Wed, 26 Mar 2003 13:30:14 -0800 Subject: [CP] Question regarding Sarracenia hybrids > From: "Chris Teichreb" > Yes, they are, as well as hybrids with S.oreophila. However, most Sarr > species and their hybrids are much more cold hardy then what people give > them credit for. Even if you live in some godforsaken place like Salt Lake > City, there's Sarrs that will tolerate the cold with some preventative > measures (mulching). If only there were some cp'er who previously lived in > Utah, they could comment on this ;-)! Hey!!! You're talking about Zion there, so watch it! Geez, I'm gonna have to change from digest mode to individual posts if this keeps up. ;-) Seriously, I don't know what Rochester weather is like, but SLC *can* be brutal on both ends. The winter temps don't often go sub-zero (farenheit), but do on occasion. And with snow cover it seems to be either feast or famine, although there was seldom more than 2 feet on the ground at any time (at least where I lived). Summers are usually in the 90s for about 3 months or so, and over 100f at least several days (or nearly a month like last year). Basically, the winter's aren't as cold as Montana and the summers aren't as hot as Arizona. It's just a happy medium . Heck, at least the crime isn't as bad as some places, like Vancouver! John "I am a Utah Man" Green West Hills, California http://www.cc.utah.edu/~jsg16/cp.htm ################### From: Cp@omnisterra.com (Hideka Kobayashi) Date: Wed, 26 Mar 2003 17:16:45 -0600 Subject: [CP] Re: Cp digest, Vol 1 #26 - 10 msgs I agree those names are wacky, but those were made by Professor Koushiro Kawase at Kyoto University, which is the very best in the country. Koto means old capital, and Kyoto has celebrated its 1200th birthday 9 years ago. _________________________________________________________________ Help STOP SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail ################### From: Cp@omnisterra.com (Jan Schlauer) Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2003 10:23:45 +0100 Subject: [CP] Re: Devil's Claw cultivars Dear Ivan, > Would these books be adequate for establishing a cultivar? It is very difficult to assess from here whether any of the mentioned books reach the appropriate audience (they did not even reach the responsible registrar) but in general books are suitable publications for the establishment of cultivar names (if they are published together with descriptions defining the individual cultivars). > I can photocopy the info for whomever wants > to work on this. Can you contact the authors so they can make efforts to register the respective names? The appropriate address is: International Carnivorous Plant Society, Inc. Cultivar Registration PMB 330 3310 East Yorba Linda Blvd. Fullerton, CA 92831-1709 USA email: jan@carnivorousplants.org Photocopies alone would not be sufficient because we do need standard photographs and permits to reproduce them. Thanks a lot for your help. Kind regards Jan ################### From: Cp@omnisterra.com (Trent Meeks) Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2003 15:09:10 +0000 Subject: [CP] Re: Nepenthes 'Gentle' Hi Everybody, I have these plants. I agree with Michael. The 'Gentle" is a maxima. It has the wavy leaves and the pitcher is a dead ringer. Right now, the three plants we have are all pitchering vigorously now that the days are lengthening. The 'Miranda' has the the prettiest leaves of any Nepenthes I've ever seen. They are broad and lush, with a distinctive bronze tone. What is interesting is how they are frequently decurrent, sort of like a N. clipeata, but not as prominent. If you look at the picture on the dutch website you can see this. The pitchers can also get very large and colorful: no doubt a hybrid using Mixta. They are vigorous growers that thrive under lowland to intermediate conditions. Hope this is helpful, Trent Meeks Boca Raton, Florida >From: Cp-request@omnisterra.com >Reply-To: Cp@omnisterra.com >To: Cp@omnisterra.com >Subject: Cp digest, Vol 1 #27 - 7 msgs >Date: Wed, 26 Mar 2003 12:00:02 -0800 > >Send Cp mailing list submissions to > Cp@omnisterra.com > >To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > http://omnisterra.com/mailman/listinfo/cp_omnisterra.com >or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > Cp-request@omnisterra.com > >You can reach the person managing the list at > Cp-admin@omnisterra.com > >When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific >than "Re: Contents of Cp digest..." > > >Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: Re: Nepenthes 'Gentle' (Chris Teichreb) > 2. Re: New Sarracenia pest: = Exyra moth damage (Chris Teichreb) > 3. Re: Question regarding Sarracenia hybrids (Chris Teichreb) > 4. Re: Exyra moth (Ivan Snyder) > 5. Re: Question regarding Sarracenia hybrids (John Green) > 6. Conservation in CPN (ddarnowski2@washcoll.edu) > 7. Re: Question regarding Sarracenia hybrids (Susan Farrington) > >--__--__-- > >Message: 1 >From: "Chris Teichreb" >To: Cp@omnisterra.com >Subject: Re: [CP] Re: Nepenthes 'Gentle' >Date: Wed, 26 Mar 2003 08:01:10 -0800 >Reply-To: Cp@omnisterra.com > > >Hi Mike, > > > > >more likely Grubler bought the plants directly and just packaged them as > >Grubler. > > Could be. I know some of the Dutch distributors are quite large. >Though >I seem to recall that someone on this list had contacted Gubler's directly >and they said they propagated their plants from tc, they just didn't know >what they had. > > > > >..but Chris I don't know which of the plants you are talking about as to > >having good coloration. > > Ok, I guess I meant good colouration and a pleasing pattern. I agree >with your comment about Neps being able to take full sun. As with all >cp's, >this needs to be done gradually (if you grow them under lights in the >winter) or they will burn. Neps grown outdoors in full sun seem to produce >thicker, tougher leaves which are more resistant to pests. And yes, the >pitchers colour up beautifully! > >Cheers! > >Chris > >_________________________________________________________________ >The new MSN 8: smart spam protection and 2 months FREE* >http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail > > > >--__--__-- > >Message: 2 >From: "Chris Teichreb" >To: Cp@omnisterra.com >Subject: Re: [CP] New Sarracenia pest: = Exyra moth damage >Date: Wed, 26 Mar 2003 08:16:29 -0800 >Reply-To: Cp@omnisterra.com > >Mike, > > >attack. The problem is I just cannot, or will not accept the fact that no > >publication in print covers pest or disease of carnivorous plants in even >a > >elemantary way so that the collector or nurseryman has any idea on what > >they > >are up against when pest/disease hits. I can't imagine another niche > > I don't know, I think D'Amato covers the basic pests with photos of >typical damage and the pests themselves as well as treatments. Barry also >has some good pest sections on the FAQ. > > To be honest, I've never heard of the pest you described and doubt it >will ever make its way this far north. Unfortunately, Florida seems to be >the gateway to many introduced or newly discovered neo-tropical and >tropical >species, and the climate favours the continued growth and reproduction of >all sorts of weird bugs! I think your plants are going to be affected much >sooner and by a much wider variety of pests than plants further north. >But, >if you can warn us about it ahead of time, then that's great! > > On the topic of pests, one that has been creeping into collections >around >the Pacific Northwest is the strawberry weevil. I have also heard reports >of it from the east coast too. It's not an uncommon pest, but it's only >recently that I've heard of it on cp. The telltale sign of infection are >round notches chewed out of the wings on Sarracenia or Darlingtonia. This >is from adult weevils feeding on the plants. It only affects rhizomatous >cp >like Sarracenia as it lays its eggs in the rhizome upon which the larvae >feed. The larvae will eat the rhizome and chew off the feeder roots, >leaving the plant starving for water. You can tell an infected plant by >the >fact that the pitchers will flop over and the plant will feel loose in the >soil. At this point, it's too late, you just have to dig up the plant and >dispose of it (preferably burning) to prevent the larvae from hatching out. > > If you notice the feeding signs of the adults in the spring, it may not >be too late for the plant. Chemicals don't work very well, but the adults >are easily captured by heading out at night with a flashlight and a pair of >tweezers. Once dark, go to the plant and turn on the flashlight. You'll >see the adults crawling all over. They can easily be caught and crushed >with the tweezers (or heel of your shoe if you prefer!). Do this for >several nights and the problem should be solved. > > Also, to prevent them from getting into the plants in the first place, >you can place the plants on raised platforms. The legs of the platform can >sit in a bowl of water. Since the adults can't fly, they'll only end up >drowning if they try to get to the plants. > > So, there's my contribution to the seldom mentioned pests. > >Cheers! > >Chris > >-- >Chris Teichreb > >http://www.geocities.com/VCPC2000 (Vancouver Carnivorous Plant Club) > > > >_________________________________________________________________ >Tired of spam? Get advanced junk mail protection with MSN 8. >http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail > > > >--__--__-- > >Message: 3 >From: "Chris Teichreb" >To: Cp@omnisterra.com >Subject: Re: [CP] Question regarding Sarracenia hybrids >Date: Wed, 26 Mar 2003 08:20:31 -0800 >Reply-To: Cp@omnisterra.com > > >Steve, > > > >In general, are Sarr. hybrids with an S. purpurea spp. purpurea parent >more > >cold hardy. As a northern grower, I'd love to plant some pitchers in my > >bog > >that will stand up to the winters as successfully as purple pitchers. Is > >anyone aware of specific hybrids that are much more cold tolerant than > >their > >parentals. Thanks. > > > >Steve > > > > Yes, they are, as well as hybrids with S.oreophila. However, most Sarr >species and their hybrids are much more cold hardy then what people give >them credit for. Even if you live in some godforsaken place like Salt Lake >City, there's Sarrs that will tolerate the cold with some preventative >measures (mulching). If only there were some cp'er who previously lived in >Utah, they could comment on this ;-)! > >Cheers! > >Chris > >-- >Chris Teichreb > >http://www.geocities.com/VCPC2000 (Vancouver Carnivorous Plant Club) > > > > >_________________________________________________________________ >Add photos to your messages with MSN 8. Get 2 months FREE*. >http://join.msn.com/?page=features/featuredemail > > > >--__--__-- > >Message: 4 >To: Cp@omnisterra.com >Date: Wed, 26 Mar 2003 08:55:24 -0800 >From: Ivan Snyder >Subject: [CP] Re: Exyra moth >Reply-To: Cp@omnisterra.com > > >Though the year is 2003 and I have been growing Sarracenia since 1974 I >have >never heard mention of this pest... >Mike >St. Petersburg Florida > >Hey Mike, >I saw Exyra on my last visit to the Florida Panhandle and got some photos >of damaged pitchers. Exyra semicrocea feeds exclusively on Sarracenia >rubra ssp. gulfensis. Though not an attractive moth and a pest, it is >still critically endangered and is listed CITES appendix 1. I suggest you >not tell of ways to control this pest. There is a minimum fine of $5,000 >or 6 months imprisonment for the killing of a single moth or larvae. >just joking, >Ivan > >________________________________________________________________ >Sign Up for Juno Platinum Internet Access Today >Only $9.95 per month! >Visit www.juno.com > > >--__--__-- > >Message: 5 >Date: Wed, 26 Mar 2003 09:13:20 -0800 >From: John Green >To: Cp@omnisterra.com >Subject: [CP] Re: Question regarding Sarracenia hybrids >Reply-To: Cp@omnisterra.com > >"Steve Ray" writes: > >In general, are Sarr. hybrids with an S. purpurea spp. purpurea parent >more > >cold hardy. As a northern grower, I'd love to plant some pitchers in my >bog > >that will stand up to the winters as successfully as purple pitchers. Is > >anyone aware of specific hybrids that are much more cold tolerant than >their > >parentals. Thanks. > >I'm assuming you're in Rochester, NY. Until very recently, I was growing >my >plants in Salt Lake City, Utah, and my experience is that Sarrs in general >are much more cold hardy than their natural ranges would suggest. >Surprisingly, the Sarrs that did best for me year-round in my outdoor bogs >were S. leucophylla and S. purpurea ssp. venosa. I had a little trouble >with S. oreophila, S. purpurea ssp. purpurea, and S. flava probably due to >the hot, dry summers. I was unable to establish S. rubra, S. alata, and S. >minor in the bogs, but probably could have with more effort. So I'd >suggest >you experiment a little, not limiting yourself to plants of "known" >hardiness. Oh, I should mention that I mulched my bog every winter with >about 6-8" of pine needles. > >John Green >West Hills, California >http://www.cc.utah.edu/~jsg16/cp.htm > > > >--__--__-- > >Message: 6 >Date: Wed, 26 Mar 2003 13:17:26 -0500 >From: ddarnowski2@washcoll.edu >To: "Cp@omnisterra.com" >Subject: [CP] Conservation in CPN >Reply-To: Cp@omnisterra.com > >Congratulations and thanks to Barry on the fine job re: rare >Sarracenia distribution in the latest CPN. > >Doug > > >--__--__-- > >Message: 7 >From: "Susan Farrington" >To: >Date: Wed, 26 Mar 2003 13:48:38 -0500 >Subject: [CP] Re: Question regarding Sarracenia hybrids >Reply-To: Cp@omnisterra.com > >Steve, > >I know that Rochester is colder than St. Louis, but I would encourage you >to >try ANY Sarracenia in your bog. All species are surprisingly hardy, >considering their southern origins. Snow cover (which you seem to get a >fair >bit of) is helpful in overcoming cold temperatures, but my bog has gone >through three winters now, sometimes with snow, sometimes not. I have had >every species survive and thrive, except S. alata, which I only obtained >last year and haven't planted in the bog yet. I even planted Sarracenia >psittacina last year, and it came through this COLD winter just fine. I >know >people who have grown most species in northern Illinois and Salt Lake City, >Utah. Try it and let us all know! > >If you're still skittish, try Sarracenia oreophila... being from the >mountains of Georgia, it is said to be hardier than others. > >I'm sending you this message directly because I'm unable to post to the >listserve right now... our email here is sent out in MIME format no matter >what settings I change! Rick is working on it... apparently quite a few of >us are having troubles with this. Feel free to post my suggestions to the >listseve so that others can comment! > >Susan Farrington >Missouri Botanical Garden > > > > >--__--__-- > >_______________________________________________ >Cp mailing list >Cp@omnisterra.com >http://omnisterra.com/mailman/listinfo/cp_omnisterra.com > > >End of Cp Digest _________________________________________________________________ The new MSN 8: smart spam protection and 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail ################### From: Cp@omnisterra.com (joan anton escuder) Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2003 07:27:38 -0800 (PST) Subject: [CP] Re: Nepenthes Gentle To all nepenthes growers Vic, Mike, Chris, Gary and others who have answered my message. Thank you very much for your comments and your help. Cheers. Juan A. Escuder Barcelona Spain __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Platinum - Watch CBS' NCAA March Madness, live on your desktop! http://platinum.yahoo.com ################### From: Cp@omnisterra.com (Trent Meeks) Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2003 15:28:42 +0000 Subject: [CP] Re: N. 'Gentle' error correction Sorry gang, I referred to N. 'Miranda' as having decurrent leaves-which it has, but I meant "peltate" in that the tendril often drops about 1 to 1.5 cm from the leaf tip. The pitcher has a very N. Mixta/ N. northiana look to it. Is this "slightly peltate" characteristic found in mature plants of N. northiana? Trent Meeks Boca Raton, Florida >From: Cp-request@omnisterra.com >Reply-To: Cp@omnisterra.com >To: Cp@omnisterra.com >Subject: Cp digest, Vol 1 #27 - 7 msgs >Date: Wed, 26 Mar 2003 12:00:02 -0800 > >Send Cp mailing list submissions to > Cp@omnisterra.com > >To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > http://omnisterra.com/mailman/listinfo/cp_omnisterra.com >or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > Cp-request@omnisterra.com > >You can reach the person managing the list at > Cp-admin@omnisterra.com > >When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific >than "Re: Contents of Cp digest..." > > >Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: Re: Nepenthes 'Gentle' (Chris Teichreb) > 2. Re: New Sarracenia pest: = Exyra moth damage (Chris Teichreb) > 3. Re: Question regarding Sarracenia hybrids (Chris Teichreb) > 4. Re: Exyra moth (Ivan Snyder) > 5. Re: Question regarding Sarracenia hybrids (John Green) > 6. Conservation in CPN (ddarnowski2@washcoll.edu) > 7. Re: Question regarding Sarracenia hybrids (Susan Farrington) > >--__--__-- > >Message: 1 >From: "Chris Teichreb" >To: Cp@omnisterra.com >Subject: Re: [CP] Re: Nepenthes 'Gentle' >Date: Wed, 26 Mar 2003 08:01:10 -0800 >Reply-To: Cp@omnisterra.com > > >Hi Mike, > > > > >more likely Grubler bought the plants directly and just packaged them as > >Grubler. > > Could be. I know some of the Dutch distributors are quite large. >Though >I seem to recall that someone on this list had contacted Gubler's directly >and they said they propagated their plants from tc, they just didn't know >what they had. > > > > >..but Chris I don't know which of the plants you are talking about as to > >having good coloration. > > Ok, I guess I meant good colouration and a pleasing pattern. I agree >with your comment about Neps being able to take full sun. As with all >cp's, >this needs to be done gradually (if you grow them under lights in the >winter) or they will burn. Neps grown outdoors in full sun seem to produce >thicker, tougher leaves which are more resistant to pests. And yes, the >pitchers colour up beautifully! > >Cheers! > >Chris > >_________________________________________________________________ >The new MSN 8: smart spam protection and 2 months FREE* >http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail > > > >--__--__-- > >Message: 2 >From: "Chris Teichreb" >To: Cp@omnisterra.com >Subject: Re: [CP] New Sarracenia pest: = Exyra moth damage >Date: Wed, 26 Mar 2003 08:16:29 -0800 >Reply-To: Cp@omnisterra.com > >Mike, > > >attack. The problem is I just cannot, or will not accept the fact that no > >publication in print covers pest or disease of carnivorous plants in even >a > >elemantary way so that the collector or nurseryman has any idea on what > >they > >are up against when pest/disease hits. I can't imagine another niche > > I don't know, I think D'Amato covers the basic pests with photos of >typical damage and the pests themselves as well as treatments. Barry also >has some good pest sections on the FAQ. > > To be honest, I've never heard of the pest you described and doubt it >will ever make its way this far north. Unfortunately, Florida seems to be >the gateway to many introduced or newly discovered neo-tropical and >tropical >species, and the climate favours the continued growth and reproduction of >all sorts of weird bugs! I think your plants are going to be affected much >sooner and by a much wider variety of pests than plants further north. >But, >if you can warn us about it ahead of time, then that's great! > > On the topic of pests, one that has been creeping into collections >around >the Pacific Northwest is the strawberry weevil. I have also heard reports >of it from the east coast too. It's not an uncommon pest, but it's only >recently that I've heard of it on cp. The telltale sign of infection are >round notches chewed out of the wings on Sarracenia or Darlingtonia. This >is from adult weevils feeding on the plants. It only affects rhizomatous >cp >like Sarracenia as it lays its eggs in the rhizome upon which the larvae >feed. The larvae will eat the rhizome and chew off the feeder roots, >leaving the plant starving for water. You can tell an infected plant by >the >fact that the pitchers will flop over and the plant will feel loose in the >soil. At this point, it's too late, you just have to dig up the plant and >dispose of it (preferably burning) to prevent the larvae from hatching out. > > If you notice the feeding signs of the adults in the spring, it may not >be too late for the plant. Chemicals don't work very well, but the adults >are easily captured by heading out at night with a flashlight and a pair of >tweezers. Once dark, go to the plant and turn on the flashlight. You'll >see the adults crawling all over. They can easily be caught and crushed >with the tweezers (or heel of your shoe if you prefer!). Do this for >several nights and the problem should be solved. > > Also, to prevent them from getting into the plants in the first place, >you can place the plants on raised platforms. The legs of the platform can >sit in a bowl of water. Since the adults can't fly, they'll only end up >drowning if they try to get to the plants. > > So, there's my contribution to the seldom mentioned pests. > >Cheers! > >Chris > >-- >Chris Teichreb > >http://www.geocities.com/VCPC2000 (Vancouver Carnivorous Plant Club) > > > >_________________________________________________________________ >Tired of spam? Get advanced junk mail protection with MSN 8. >http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail > > > >--__--__-- > >Message: 3 >From: "Chris Teichreb" >To: Cp@omnisterra.com >Subject: Re: [CP] Question regarding Sarracenia hybrids >Date: Wed, 26 Mar 2003 08:20:31 -0800 >Reply-To: Cp@omnisterra.com > > >Steve, > > > >In general, are Sarr. hybrids with an S. purpurea spp. purpurea parent >more > >cold hardy. As a northern grower, I'd love to plant some pitchers in my > >bog > >that will stand up to the winters as successfully as purple pitchers. Is > >anyone aware of specific hybrids that are much more cold tolerant than > >their > >parentals. Thanks. > > > >Steve > > > > Yes, they are, as well as hybrids with S.oreophila. However, most Sarr >species and their hybrids are much more cold hardy then what people give >them credit for. Even if you live in some godforsaken place like Salt Lake >City, there's Sarrs that will tolerate the cold with some preventative >measures (mulching). If only there were some cp'er who previously lived in >Utah, they could comment on this ;-)! > >Cheers! > >Chris > >-- >Chris Teichreb > >http://www.geocities.com/VCPC2000 (Vancouver Carnivorous Plant Club) > > > > >_________________________________________________________________ >Add photos to your messages with MSN 8. Get 2 months FREE*. >http://join.msn.com/?page=features/featuredemail > > > >--__--__-- > >Message: 4 >To: Cp@omnisterra.com >Date: Wed, 26 Mar 2003 08:55:24 -0800 >From: Ivan Snyder >Subject: [CP] Re: Exyra moth >Reply-To: Cp@omnisterra.com > > >Though the year is 2003 and I have been growing Sarracenia since 1974 I >have >never heard mention of this pest... >Mike >St. Petersburg Florida > >Hey Mike, >I saw Exyra on my last visit to the Florida Panhandle and got some photos >of damaged pitchers. Exyra semicrocea feeds exclusively on Sarracenia >rubra ssp. gulfensis. Though not an attractive moth and a pest, it is >still critically endangered and is listed CITES appendix 1. I suggest you >not tell of ways to control this pest. There is a minimum fine of $5,000 >or 6 months imprisonment for the killing of a single moth or larvae. >just joking, >Ivan > >________________________________________________________________ >Sign Up for Juno Platinum Internet Access Today >Only $9.95 per month! >Visit www.juno.com > > >--__--__-- > >Message: 5 >Date: Wed, 26 Mar 2003 09:13:20 -0800 >From: John Green >To: Cp@omnisterra.com >Subject: [CP] Re: Question regarding Sarracenia hybrids >Reply-To: Cp@omnisterra.com > >"Steve Ray" writes: > >In general, are Sarr. hybrids with an S. purpurea spp. purpurea parent >more > >cold hardy. As a northern grower, I'd love to plant some pitchers in my >bog > >that will stand up to the winters as successfully as purple pitchers. Is > >anyone aware of specific hybrids that are much more cold tolerant than >their > >parentals. Thanks. > >I'm assuming you're in Rochester, NY. Until very recently, I was growing >my >plants in Salt Lake City, Utah, and my experience is that Sarrs in general >are much more cold hardy than their natural ranges would suggest. >Surprisingly, the Sarrs that did best for me year-round in my outdoor bogs >were S. leucophylla and S. purpurea ssp. venosa. I had a little trouble >with S. oreophila, S. purpurea ssp. purpurea, and S. flava probably due to >the hot, dry summers. I was unable to establish S. rubra, S. alata, and S. >minor in the bogs, but probably could have with more effort. So I'd >suggest >you experiment a little, not limiting yourself to plants of "known" >hardiness. Oh, I should mention that I mulched my bog every winter with >about 6-8" of pine needles. > >John Green >West Hills, California >http://www.cc.utah.edu/~jsg16/cp.htm > > > >--__--__-- > >Message: 6 >Date: Wed, 26 Mar 2003 13:17:26 -0500 >From: ddarnowski2@washcoll.edu >To: "Cp@omnisterra.com" >Subject: [CP] Conservation in CPN >Reply-To: Cp@omnisterra.com > >Congratulations and thanks to Barry on the fine job re: rare >Sarracenia distribution in the latest CPN. > >Doug > > >--__--__-- > >Message: 7 >From: "Susan Farrington" >To: >Date: Wed, 26 Mar 2003 13:48:38 -0500 >Subject: [CP] Re: Question regarding Sarracenia hybrids >Reply-To: Cp@omnisterra.com > >Steve, > >I know that Rochester is colder than St. Louis, but I would encourage you >to >try ANY Sarracenia in your bog. All species are surprisingly hardy, >considering their southern origins. Snow cover (which you seem to get a >fair >bit of) is helpful in overcoming cold temperatures, but my bog has gone >through three winters now, sometimes with snow, sometimes not. I have had >every species survive and thrive, except S. alata, which I only obtained >last year and haven't planted in the bog yet. I even planted Sarracenia >psittacina last year, and it came through this COLD winter just fine. I >know >people who have grown most species in northern Illinois and Salt Lake City, >Utah. Try it and let us all know! > >If you're still skittish, try Sarracenia oreophila... being from the >mountains of Georgia, it is said to be hardier than others. > >I'm sending you this message directly because I'm unable to post to the >listserve right now... our email here is sent out in MIME format no matter >what settings I change! Rick is working on it... apparently quite a few of >us are having troubles with this. Feel free to post my suggestions to the >listseve so that others can comment! > >Susan Farrington >Missouri Botanical Garden > > > > >--__--__-- > >_______________________________________________ >Cp mailing list >Cp@omnisterra.com >http://omnisterra.com/mailman/listinfo/cp_omnisterra.com > > >End of Cp Digest _________________________________________________________________ Tired of spam? Get advanced junk mail protection with MSN 8. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail ################### From: Cp@omnisterra.com (Cp@omnisterra.com) Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2003 11:11:40 -0500 Subject: [CP] Sarracenias I'm just curious, how old does a Sarracenia have to be before they will put up their very first flowers? I have some baby Sarracenias in the "nursery" section of my bog and I'm just curious when they will be old enough to send up flowers. My adult Sarracenias are pushing up flowers like crazy, my S.oreophila 'green' x S.leucophylla 'white' is sending up 3, yes THREE Flower stalks! Its just Incredible! Now will the plant have enough energy to open all of the flowers is still up for debate, but I wouldn't doubt it, the rhizome has swelled to a huge size over the winter. Also a S. minor is sending up two flower stalks. :o) ~Christine & Lucy the Giant Schnauzer http://www.geocities.com/lucythegiantschnauzer Liefhond's Smoky Mountain Hi TT ################### From: Cp@omnisterra.com (Cp@omnisterra.com) Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2003 11:17:08 -0500 Subject: [CP] Sundews Where is the best location in an outside bog to plant low lying Sundews? My bog garden is in a large circular container, is filled with 50% Canadian Sphagnum Peat Moss and 50% Perlite, and gets full direct sun all day, until an hour or so before sunset when the fence begins to cast a shadow over the Sarracenias. I have many Sarracenias growing in a half circle in the back half and the front half is nothing but different varieties of FlyTraps. This is my first time trying Sundews outside in the garden, what would be the best place to locate them? I was thinking around the bases of the Sarracenias, but I'd definately like some advice from more experienced growers. Thanks again. ~Christine & Lucy the Giant Schnauzer http://www.geocities.com/lucythegiantschnauzer Liefhond's Smoky Mountain Hi TT ################### From: Cp@omnisterra.com (Barry A. Rice) Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2003 08:18:49 -0800 (PST) Subject: [CP] Origin of Nepenthes "Gentle"? Hey Folks, There's some rumination on the listserve re: the origin of the (apparently bogus?) cultivar name, the so-called Nepenthes 'Gentle.' My pet theory on this is that some appreciative horticulturist named the plant after Victor Gentle, an author who has written a several carnivorous plant books for kids. Just a guess. Too bad there's no cultivar description so we can't be sure of this! Barry ------------------------ Barry A. Rice, Ph.D. Carnivorous Plant Newsletter Conservation Coeditor barry@carnivorousplants.org http://www.carnivorousplants.org ################### From: Cp@omnisterra.com (Rollins) Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2003 11:27:55 -0800 Subject: [CP] multi x of CP Digest Thanks all you guys for the multiple copies of the digest. The wold Sarras are in flower! James A. Rollins [mailto:willows@rose.net] ################### From: Cp@omnisterra.com ({USER_FIRSTNAME} {USER_LASTNAME}) Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2003 11:43:51 -0500 Subject: [CP] Sarracenias It depends on growing conditions from seed. I feel that the printed material to date in producing a Sarracenia from seed to mature blooming size is far to long. Most publication states around 4 or 5 yrs, some state up to 10! If it is taking 6 yrs to get a Sarracenia to bloom, something is wrong or a very weak plant from the start. Though geographic climate does play a important part as does species. I am inclined to put a average of 3 yrs from seed to blooming size in decent growing conditions in culture, not the wild. Plants such as S. rubra, S. psittacina, & S. alata bloom very young. I have 1 yr old S. rubra wherryi and gulfensis blooming now, certainly not with the amount of levels as older plants. I have seen other Sarracenia bloom at 1 yr from seed too, but not frequent. Some examples are S. minor Okee, and S. purpurea venosa. S. minor in general seems to take the longest from seed for me. In a very good growing environment 2 yrs is the norm for blooming size mature plants, not 4 or 5. This includes 10 month growth - 2 month dormancy and not growing the plants yr round without dormancy. Seedlings tend to grow late into the season even with decreasing daylight and temperatures when mature plants have ceased growing for the year, as long as temperatures don't dip below 45 F or so. Much below this temperature they will stop. Perhaps this is to develop a larger mass against the elements of a stressful winter? In the spring I notice the exact opposite, when mature larger plants start to grow seedlings are behind and continue a dormancy for several weeks even though the temperature and light are much stronger, again possibly a natural defense to allow rest of the smaller seedling with the benefit of better climate. Take care everyone, Mike St. Petersburg Florida ----- Original Message ----- To: Sent: Thursday, March 27, 2003 11:11 AM > I'm just curious, how old does a Sarracenia have to be before they will put up their very first flowers? > > I have some baby Sarracenias in the "nursery" section of my bog and I'm just curious when they will be old enough to send up flowers. > > My adult Sarracenias are pushing up flowers like crazy, my S.oreophila 'green' x S.leucophylla 'white' is sending up 3, yes THREE Flower stalks! Its just Incredible! Now will the plant have enough energy to open all of the flowers is still up for debate, but I wouldn't doubt it, the rhizome has swelled to a huge size over the winter. Also a S. minor is sending up two flower stalks. :o) > > ~Christine & Lucy the Giant Schnauzer > http://www.geocities.com/lucythegiantschnauzer > Liefhond's Smoky Mountain Hi TT > > _______________________________________________ > Cp mailing list > Cp@omnisterra.com > http://omnisterra.com/mailman/listinfo/cp_omnisterra.com ################### From: Cp@omnisterra.com (Ivan Snyder) Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2003 08:43:06 -0800 Subject: [CP] Re: Carnivorous moss etc. >So next to regular CP's we have carnivorous fungi, bromeliads, a potential orchid, moss... what's next? Frederick Hi Fred and all, You will learn of many more plants having the facility for carnivory. There are two in my area which I would like to see more studied. The first is Parnassia sp. which has glandular staminodes much like sundew tentacles in the flower. A recent science publication wrote the function of the staminodes is unknown. Last year I got a photo of the flower if anyone wants to see. I stuck a fruitfly in the staminode secretion and it did indeed appear to be digested. Another plant here is Montia perfoliata with broad bowl shaped bracts which secrete a fluid forming a pool to protest developing flowers against insects. The pools trap and kill insects including ants. I tested this fluid by dropping an ant in it. There is a surfactant in the fluid making insects drown easily. In plain water they float. I also dripped milk in the fluid and it curdled. Both these plants are facultative carnivorous although their mechanisms are probably defensive. Every carnivorous plant started out with previous mechanisms originally geared to some other function besides carnivory and then later made a shift. Ivan Snyder Hermosa Beach California ________________________________________________________________ Sign Up for Juno Platinum Internet Access Today Only $9.95 per month! Visit www.juno.com ################### From: Cp@omnisterra.com (Cp@omnisterra.com) Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2003 12:02:06 -0500 Subject: [CP] Sundews In a message dated 3/27/2003 11:17:08 AM Eastern Standard Time, AppleCakeTeaRoom writes: > > > Where is the best location in an outside bog to plant low lying Sundews? > Christine, I am assuming you have good drainage out of this bog, to be using perlite. I had some Sarracenia in pots in a deep tray with peat/perlite and it was a disaster after a heavy rain, lol. Drainage holes on the sides next time. The Sarracenia would be okay with floating perlite around the base, but perlite may get washed onto the leaves of the sundews. Just an aobservation. Regards, Joe Griffin Lincoln, NE USA > My bog garden is in a large circular container, is filled with 50% > Canadian Sphagnum Peat Moss and 50% Perlite, and gets full direct sun > all day, until an hour or so before sunset when the fence begins to > cast a shadow over the Sarracenias. I have many Sarracenias growing > in a half circle in the back half and the front half is nothing but > different varieties of FlyTraps. This is my first time trying Sundews > outside in the garden, what would be the best place to locate them? I > was thinking around the bases of the Sarracenias, but I'd definately > like some advice from more experienced growers. Thanks again. > > ~Christine & Lucy the Giant Schnauzer > http://www.geocities.com/lucythegiantschnauzer Liefhond's Smoky > Mountain Hi TT > > _______________________________________________ Cp mailing list > Cp@omnisterra.com > http://omnisterra.com/mailman/listinfo/cp_omnisterra.com ################### From: Cp@omnisterra.com (David Ahrens) Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2003 20:06:08 +0000 Subject: [CP] Replying to list When people reply to the new listserv, could they not simply press the reply button. Twice, yesterday, people pressed the reply button and the whole of the mailing list came out. Surely, it is OK for people to lift out sections of the list with the cut and paste facility on windows, but to return the whole of the previous days list is mighty irritating. The old list list did not allow you to do this very easily, but it seems that it is easy to do it on the new list. If there is some sort of archive on the new list, people who do this will be filling up the storage with unneccessary rubbish. I hope people understand what I mean, I am rather tired after a long day and I don't think that I expressed myself as well as I could have done above, but I think you understand what I mean. Regards, David Ahrens, London. _________________________________________________________________ Get Hotmail on your mobile phone http://www.msn.co.uk/msnmobile/mobilehotmail ################### From: Cp@omnisterra.com (Robert Ziemer) Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2003 12:57:30 -0800 Subject: [CP] Re: Sundews Christine, I also have an outside bog with a number of different CPs. This worked great for the first couple of years, but the Sarracenias overtopped the low-lying CPs and shaded them out. So I abandoned that bog to let the Sarracenia fight it out among themselves (the psittacena and purpurea are losing that fight). I started another bog which I restricted to low-lying VFT, Drosera, and Pings -- although binata multifida and capensis are very aggressive. -Bob- ################### From: Cp@omnisterra.com (Chris Teichreb) Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2003 13:42:30 -0800 Subject: [CP] Replying to list David, >I hope people understand what I mean, I am rather tired after a long day >and I don't think that I expressed myself as well as I could have done >above, but I think you understand what I mean. >Regards, >David Ahrens, >London. > I know what you mean about including the whole digest, but I never received any messages yesterday or any other day from the new listserv that quoted the entire digest. I only ever receive individual messages. Not doubting in any way that it did happen, but it seems like there's still a few glitches to work out. If it was somehow myself that was doing this, please let me know and I'll try to correct it! Cheers! Chris _________________________________________________________________ Protect your PC - get McAfee.com VirusScan Online http://clinic.mcafee.com/clinic/ibuy/campaign.asp?cid=3963 ################### From: Cp@omnisterra.com ({USER_FIRSTNAME} {USER_LASTNAME}) Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2003 18:49:12 -0500 Subject: [CP] Replying to list Hydes The offers we are running are just unreal. No appointments for Valium and Xanax more ################### From: Cp@omnisterra.com (Gary Kong) Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2003 21:54:56 -0500 Subject: [CP] Replying to list i'm receiving individual emails too and haven't experienced the problems people who are getting the digest are. i haven't even visited the site. the only thing i noticed were that now the individual emails contain [CP] in their subject lines which makes it incredibly easy for me to distinguish posts from spam. wonderful! gary kong "Chris Teichreb" wrote: >David, > > >>I hope people understand what I mean, I am rather tired after a long day >>and I don't think that I expressed myself as well as I could have done >>above, but I think you understand what I mean. >>Regards, >>David Ahrens, >>London. >> > > I know what you mean about including the whole digest, but I never >received any messages yesterday or any other day from the new listserv that >quoted the entire digest. I only ever receive individual messages. Not >doubting in any way that it did happen, but it seems like there's still a >few glitches to work out. If it was somehow myself that was doing this, >please let me know and I'll try to correct it! > >Cheers! > >Chris > >_________________________________________________________________ >Protect your PC - get McAfee.com VirusScan Online >http://clinic.mcafee.com/clinic/ibuy/campaign.asp?cid=3963 > > >_______________________________________________ >Cp mailing list >Cp@omnisterra.com >http://omnisterra.com/mailman/listinfo/cp_omnisterra.com > -- San Francisco, CA World Leader Pretend: http://www.foulds2000.freeserve.co.uk/bushv5.htm __________________________________________________________________ Try AOL and get 1045 hours FREE for 45 days! http://free.aol.com/tryaolfree/index.adp?375380 Get AOL Instant Messenger 5.1 for FREE! 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No appointments for Valium and Xanax more ----- Original Message ----- To: Sent: Thursday, March 27, 2003 9:54 PM > i'm receiving individual emails too and haven't experienced the problems people who are getting the digest are. i haven't even visited the site. the only thing i noticed were that now the individual emails contain [CP] in their subject lines which makes it incredibly easy for me to distinguish posts from spam. wonderful! > > gary kong > > "Chris Teichreb" wrote: > > >David, > > > > > >>I hope people understand what I mean, I am rather tired after a long day > >>and I don't think that I expressed myself as well as I could have done > >>above, but I think you understand what I mean. > >>Regards, > >>David Ahrens, > >>London. > >> > > > > I know what you mean about including the whole digest, but I never > >received any messages yesterday or any other day from the new listserv that > >quoted the entire digest. I only ever receive individual messages. Not > >doubting in any way that it did happen, but it seems like there's still a > >few glitches to work out. If it was somehow myself that was doing this, > >please let me know and I'll try to correct it! > > > >Cheers! > > > >Chris > > > >_________________________________________________________________ > >Protect your PC - get McAfee.com VirusScan Online > >http://clinic.mcafee.com/clinic/ibuy/campaign.asp?cid=3963 > > > > > >_______________________________________________ > >Cp mailing list > >Cp@omnisterra.com > >http://omnisterra.com/mailman/listinfo/cp_omnisterra.com > > > > > -- > San Francisco, CA > World Leader Pretend: http://www.foulds2000.freeserve.co.uk/bushv5.htm > > > __________________________________________________________________ > Try AOL and get 1045 hours FREE for 45 days! > http://free.aol.com/tryaolfree/index.adp?375380 > > Get AOL Instant Messenger 5.1 for FREE! Download Now! > http://aim.aol.com/aimnew/Aim/register.adp?promos=380455 > > _______________________________________________ > Cp mailing list > Cp@omnisterra.com > http://omnisterra.com/mailman/listinfo/cp_omnisterra.com ################### From: Cp@omnisterra.com (High4Voltz) Date: Fri, 28 Mar 2003 03:58:59 -0600 Subject: [CP] Replying to list yes and setting up a special inbox file and using outlooks message rules to automatically place all CP email in this folder. :) Matt from MN ----- Original Message ----- To: Sent: Thursday, March 27, 2003 8:54 PM i'm receiving individual emails too and haven't experienced the problems people who are getting the digest are. i haven't even visited the site. the only thing i noticed were that now the individual emails contain [CP] in their subject lines which makes it incredibly easy for me to distinguish posts from spam. wonderful! gary kong "Chris Teichreb" wrote: >David, > > >>I hope people understand what I mean, I am rather tired after a long day >>and I don't think that I expressed myself as well as I could have done >>above, but I think you understand what I mean. >>Regards, >>David Ahrens, >>London. >> > > I know what you mean about including the whole digest, but I never >received any messages yesterday or any other day from the new listserv that >quoted the entire digest. I only ever receive individual messages. Not >doubting in any way that it did happen, but it seems like there's still a >few glitches to work out. If it was somehow myself that was doing this, >please let me know and I'll try to correct it! > >Cheers! > >Chris > >_________________________________________________________________ >Protect your PC - get McAfee.com VirusScan Online >http://clinic.mcafee.com/clinic/ibuy/campaign.asp?cid=3963 > > >_______________________________________________ >Cp mailing list >Cp@omnisterra.com >http://omnisterra.com/mailman/listinfo/cp_omnisterra.com > -- San Francisco, CA World Leader Pretend: http://www.foulds2000.freeserve.co.uk/bushv5.htm __________________________________________________________________ Try AOL and get 1045 hours FREE for 45 days! http://free.aol.com/tryaolfree/index.adp?375380 Get AOL Instant Messenger 5.1 for FREE! Download Now! http://aim.aol.com/aimnew/Aim/register.adp?promos=380455 _______________________________________________ Cp mailing list Cp@omnisterra.com http://omnisterra.com/mailman/listinfo/cp_omnisterra.com ################### From: Cp@omnisterra.com (Rollins) Date: Fri, 28 Mar 2003 14:28:05 -0800 Subject: [CP] One yr and blooming Mike, What kind of fertilizer are you using to get a 1 year old from seed plant to bloom? I have plants from seed & after 6 mos and they are still only about 1 inch high! They were stratified and are growing under the best of conditions under lights. James A. Rollins [mailto:willows@rose.net] ################### From: Cp@omnisterra.com (Trent Meeks) Date: Fri, 28 Mar 2003 21:13:45 +0000 Subject: [CP] Sorry about that David and Everyone, Sorry about that. I did not realise what had happened until it was too late. Until later, Trent Meeks Boca Raton, fl _________________________________________________________________ MSN 8 helps eliminate e-mail viruses. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/virus ################### From: Cp@omnisterra.com (David Ahrens) Date: Fri, 28 Mar 2003 22:59:12 +0000 Subject: [CP] Replying to list Perhaps the repeating of the whole list a few days ago was a glitch, it hasn't happened since. Computers are like that at times, frustrating. Regards, David Ahrens, London PS-Has anyone sent off their money for the Lyon 2004 conference yet. It didn't mention it on the form, but I sent off a bank draft in euros. In France, it will cash like a cheque, no problem. It cost me 10 pounds from HSBC, which is a bank in the UK. I hope that I am not causing trouble by suggesting another way to get money to France that wasn't put on the registration form. Mind you, I am not sure how the US bank system relates to such things. I used to send a bank draft in US dollars to renew my subs for the ICPS. _________________________________________________________________ On the move? Get Hotmail on your mobile phone http://www.msn.co.uk/msnmobile/mobilehotmail ################### From: Cp@omnisterra.com (John Green) Date: Fri, 28 Mar 2003 15:50:22 -0800 Subject: [CP] Ants Yesterday I watered a big pot of Sarrs and immediately noticed lots of ants scurrying to the surface. Many of them were carrying little yellowish-white pupae (or whatever they are), so I guess they've set up house in that pot. Anyone have any problems with ants and Sarrs? Do they harm roots or cause any other trouble? I guess I could just keep flooding them till they decide to move on. On a *ghoulish* note, many of the fleeing ants began climbing the pitchers and taking refuge inside! John Green West Hills, California http://www.cc.utah.edu/~jsg16/cp.htm ################### From: Cp@omnisterra.com (Chuck Rossi) Date: Fri, 28 Mar 2003 22:10:27 -0800 Subject: [CP] Fungus on Sarracenia seedlings Hello... I'm growing some Sarracenia seedlings and I'm having trouble with fungus. I've been on the list for a few years now, so I know the more general fungus issues, but I was hoping someone could tell me something about _my_ fungus. It's a crusty, chalky white and seems to always start around the crown of the seedling. I have some pictures that should pretty clearly show the problem: http://66.127.255.2/cp/ The last three pictures show the fungus. You can see it creeping up the pitcher a bit. I have some Captan that's a bit old (as we're not allowed to buy Captan in California anymore), so I'm going to try what's left of that. Any other advice would be helpful. Thanks.. Chuck R. San Jose, CA ################### From: Cp@omnisterra.com ({USER_FIRSTNAME} {USER_LASTNAME}) Date: Fri, 28 Mar 2003 22:48:04 -0500 Subject: [CP] Ants They (ants) cause trouble as they "farm" aphids or scale in many areas, so they bring in a herd of livestock to the delicate areas of your plants, and if you remove the herd (scale, aphids) they go out and round up a new herd and bring those back to the delicate hard to reach areas of your plants. They can funnel out the potting medium throughout the pot, making caverns in the container leaving large areas of roots hanging with no soil. This is sometimes a problem, as when the medium gets very wet the plant can slump or slough back burying the rhizome crown leading to fungal problem. As you note they are a readily available supply of food for your plants. They are real fun when you transplant and get covered with ants and ant bites. I set the containers in a deeper tray/bucket of water that covers the entire pot & crown with water for 24 to 36 hrs. If that doesn't work its time to put the chemical suit on and fire up the high pressure sprayer and load up some good ole stuff to snuff em out with the final solution. Mike St. Petersburg Florida ----- Original Message ----- To: Sent: Friday, March 28, 2003 6:50 PM > Yesterday I watered a big pot of Sarrs and immediately noticed lots of ants > scurrying to the surface. Many of them were carrying little yellowish-white > pupae (or whatever they are), so I guess they've set up house in that pot. > Anyone have any problems with ants and Sarrs? Do they harm roots or cause > any other trouble? I guess I could just keep flooding them till they decide > to move on. On a *ghoulish* note, many of the fleeing ants began climbing > the pitchers and taking refuge inside! > > John Green > West Hills, California > http://www.cc.utah.edu/~jsg16/cp.htm > > > _______________________________________________ > Cp mailing list > Cp@omnisterra.com > http://omnisterra.com/mailman/listinfo/cp_omnisterra.com ################### From: Cp@omnisterra.com ({USER_FIRSTNAME} {USER_LASTNAME}) Date: Fri, 28 Mar 2003 23:20:55 -0500 Subject: [CP] Fungus on Sarracenia seedlings Hi Chuck, Nice pictures, good detail. I don't see a fungal problem. I see hard water build up on the plants, that's the chalky looking stuff. Some algae/slim green stuff on the top of the potting medium, but the seedlings don't appear to have any fungal problem as of these pictures. New growth coming form the growth point/crown of the plants looks good and increasing in size as it should. Looks normal. Mineral deposits appear just as your pictures show. These deposits raise to the surface of the medium and ring the pot edge or base of the plant with a crusty layer of white-brown rock. The water has minerals and this could weaken your plants with time or kill them entirely. Water quality is very debatable as to what is safe and what isn't. Some plants will take harder water better than others, and the type of minerals in the water matters too. These look like calcium deposits. The potting medium will sour quickly with the harder water and slowly a decline in the plants health takes place. The smaller the pot the quicker it sours as there is no leeching. The buffering from a highly acidic mix can offset the effect some if combined with better quality water from time to time (rain water, distilled, or a "checked" RO system) Check your water quality, and consider applying Captan after you check the water... Captan is a contact fungicide and is a old stand by, though it looks like its days are numbered it is still available in most of the USA. Captan kills fungal growth by drying it up, like calamine lotion on poison ivy there is no systemic activity therefore there is no resistance potential. But it must be reapplied at regular intervals because its not a systemic and its washed away with time. A fungicide such as Captan should be applied when sowing seeds to cover the medium and the seeds themselves. Damping off is most common during very early stages of sprouting and for a few weeks there after. It is also common when seeds are spaced very closely together, which yours are not. This likely because of poor air circulation and when one plant gets the various fungal diseases it spreads very rapidly, the domino effect. Captan isn't my first line defense as a fungicide, and I am really not up to date on what is available to the home gardener though the selection is slim. I like Captan because its mixed with water. I use Captan regularly in rotation with other fungicides and tank mix it with others. I have found it very good and without phytotoxicity on Sarracenia from seedlings to mature. It will leave a milky stain on the plant. At this time Captan is still a regularly applied preventative for all seeds and seedlings for my plants Seedlings are very often killed by damping off, your seedlings don't show this. Damping off would be indicated by the leaves turning black and into mush, as would the crown. Sometimes damping off occurs from the bottom up, With loss of the root up into the crown. Well its just by view, but I would take the bet I could be right (..but I am wrong more than I am right) Take care, Mike St. Petersburg Florida ----- Original Message ----- To: Sent: Saturday, March 29, 2003 1:10 AM > Hello... > > I'm growing some Sarracenia seedlings and I'm having trouble with fungus. I've > been on the list for a few years now, so I know the more general fungus issues, > but I was hoping someone could tell me something about _my_ fungus. > > It's a crusty, chalky white and seems to always start around the > crown of the seedling. I have some pictures that should pretty > clearly show the problem: > > http://66.127.255.2/cp/ > > The last three pictures show the fungus. You can see it creeping > up the pitcher a bit. > > I have some Captan that's a bit old (as we're not allowed to buy > Captan in California anymore), so I'm going to try what's left of > that. Any other advice would be helpful. > > Thanks.. > > Chuck R. > San Jose, CA > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Cp mailing list > Cp@omnisterra.com > http://omnisterra.com/mailman/listinfo/cp_omnisterra.com ################### From: Cp@omnisterra.com (Steven Stewart) Date: Sat, 29 Mar 2003 08:26:09 -0500 Subject: [CP] One yr. and blooming Hello James & all, I was at Agri-Starts III recently and was pleased to see a few Sarr. leucophylla 'Tarnok' flowering in Mike's flats of 72. It is amazing what plants can do when in great growing conditions! I have seen many species and hybrids flower in a year from seed. I have also seen stubborn individual plants refuse to flower after many (5+) years. Out of an entire seed capsule of first generation S. excellens, I have one that flowered within the first year. Second generations of this plant produces very slow growers. I never fertilize Sarracenia that I grow. Mike Rink at Agri-Starts III does condition his deep well water with an injector. After visiting with Mike, I think this might be a good year to find Sarracenia in stores. Take care, Steve Stewart Florida, USA > From: "Rollins" > Mike, > What kind of fertilizer are you using to get a 1 year old from seed plant to > bloom? I have plants from seed & after 6 mos and they are still only about > 1 inch high! They were stratified and are growing under the best of > conditions under lights. > James A. Rollins > [mailto:willows@rose.net] ################### From: Cp@omnisterra.com (Cp@omnisterra.com) Date: Sat, 29 Mar 2003 14:37:41 -0300 Subject: [CP] =?iso-8859-1?Q?Nepenthes=20alata?= Dear friends, I have a N. alata that in 5 years has never bloomed. What can I do for it to bloom? Marcos ------------------------------------------ Use o melhor sistema de busca da Internet Radar UOL - http://www.radaruol.com.br ################### From: Cp@omnisterra.com (Cp@omnisterra.com) Date: Sat, 29 Mar 2003 13:06:06 EST Subject: [CP] Looking for Cephalotus and Heliamphora Hi! I am looking for mature or near-mature Cephalotus plants, and Heliamphora species and hybrids with mature pitchers. The following is a partial listing of available Pings that I can trade: --P. gigantea --P. macrophylla --P. moctezumae --P. kondoi --P. cyclosecta --P. agnata --P. rectifolia --P. esseriana --P. moranensis (very large 4" plants - size is of its current semi-dormant state) --P. moranensis var. caudata --P. moranensis var. 'Superba' --P. moranensis "D" --P. gracilis --P. agnata "true blue" (State of Hidalgo, Mexico) --P. moranensis 'Huaulta' --P. moranensis "A" --P. laueana --P. x 'Pirouette' --P. x 'Kewensis' --P. x 'Weser' --P. x 'Morellia' --P. x 'Aphrodite' --P. primuliflora --P. caerulea --P. macroceras ssp. nortensis Please e-mail me if you have Cephalotus or Heliamphora available! Thanks! P.S. Trades only at this time please, thank you! Owen ################### From: Cp@omnisterra.com (Cp@omnisterra.com) Date: Sat, 29 Mar 2003 14:00:48 EST Subject: [CP] Pinguicula pumila - multi-colored flowers Hi list! Follow this link too see a picture of some of my Pinguicula pumila (Polk County, Texas) flowering happily in their terrarium: http://www.cpbog.com/pumila.jpg I grow every species of Pings from the Southeast U.S. and they all exhibit some variation in flower color within their species. However, in this picture, you can see a P. pumila with a pure white flower and another plant with a pink flower. Is this normal or typical of the species? The flower shape is certainly similar and the plants are pretty much identical. They are all about 1/2" in diameter and grow in the same conditions. Owen ################### From: Cp@omnisterra.com (Gary Kong) Date: Sat, 29 Mar 2003 14:47:16 -0500 Subject: [CP] Ants john-- welcome to california. i'm convinced the state is built on one huge argentinian ant hill and have come to the conclusion that i've got to find ways to exploit their cohabitation because eradication is futile. they do farm scale and aphids, and many times below the soil surface, so do be careful. i doubt that they will undermine the root structure, but wonder about how they affect soil chemistry (what with their droppings and burial chambers.) also, two of my Sarracenias had done a great job catching an entire pitcher's worth of ants. i was thoroughly delighted. the next day, i noticed that the traps were empty, but still covered with ants. that's when i saw that the little sh*ts had drilled out holes through which they happily went in and out, taking with them the remains of the pitcher's contents. that's when i brought out the heavy artillery: my D. regia and synthetic bristle brush. next infestation, i'll put my D. multifida extrema to work. Gary Kong BTW, that's partially why my S. leuco x oreos got so big in a year. they were catching and eating these ants. John Green wrote: >Yesterday I watered a big pot of Sarrs and immediately noticed lots of ants >scurrying to the surface. Many of them were carrying little yellowish-white >pupae (or whatever they are), so I guess they've set up house in that pot. >Anyone have any problems with ants and Sarrs? Do they harm roots or cause >any other trouble? I guess I could just keep flooding them till they decide >to move on. On a *ghoulish* note, many of the fleeing ants began climbing >the pitchers and taking refuge inside! > >John Green >West Hills, California >http://www.cc.utah.edu/~jsg16/cp.htm > > >_______________________________________________ >Cp mailing list >Cp@omnisterra.com >http://omnisterra.com/mailman/listinfo/cp_omnisterra.com > -- San Francisco, CA World Leader Pretend: http://www.foulds2000.freeserve.co.uk/bushv5.htm __________________________________________________________________ Try AOL and get 1045 hours FREE for 45 days! http://free.aol.com/tryaolfree/index.adp?375380 Get AOL Instant Messenger 5.1 for FREE! Download Now! http://aim.aol.com/aimnew/Aim/register.adp?promos=380455 ################### From: Cp@omnisterra.com (Joseph Kinyon) Date: Sat, 29 Mar 2003 11:57:24 -0800 Subject: [CP] Richard Dawkins, Daphnia and moss question (not carnivorous moss) Hey folks, 1. Regarding Richard Dawkins: Frederick and Alastair, Sorry for the late response, out of town for the last 2 weeks Frederikc wrote, >>I'm currently reading a book by Richard Dawkins (the title is Dutch and doesn't translate that well) << and Alastair wrote, >>The english version is titled the "Selfish Gene", and though Dawkins is a master of stating the obvious, he raises many interesting points and makes them all very accessible to people with no background in science whatsoever.<< ** I think the book that Frederick is reading might actually be "Climbing Mount Improbable" rather than "Selfish Gene"--both great books by Dawkins--- but I could be wrong... 2. Daphnia, rotifers, copepods, and ostrocods have all done well in my aquatic carnivore tanks. They do go through population crashes (mitigated by many of these organisms having special population controls like parthenogenesis in Daphnia), but they often come back from the eggs they lay. I'd say go for it, but have at least 2 gallons for them to reproduce well (based on personal experience). There are thousands of Daphnia to choose from, I prefer Bosmina and Scaphloberis if you can't find Daphnia species. 3. If anybody knows, where can I buy live sphagnum moss in California? I need about .5 to 1 cubic foot. Joseph Kinyon ################### From: Cp@omnisterra.com ({USER_FIRSTNAME} {USER_LASTNAME}) Date: Sat, 29 Mar 2003 21:37:29 -0500 Subject: [CP] One yr and blooming Hello James, I don't use fertilizer on Sarracenia, though I have experimented with it in the past. I see no visible results and more negative results such as stunted or burned plants with a potting medium that sours quicker. Water quality plays a key role in any attempt to fertilize and a water pH can change the compounds of even a diluted fertilizer. A higher pH in the water, is more hazardous to the content of the fertilizer to the tender acid loving plants. Alkaline water is far worse than a high pH. Remember you can have a low pH and high alkaline content. My well runs a pH of about 4.6, but believe me it is dangerously high with calcium for any type of foliar spraying directly to the leaves of Sarracenia!! In times of drought I use City Tap water and lots of it (Rain is my main water source not tap water), this is far superior to the untreated well water. I have seen no problem with the small amounts of fluoride or chloramines compared to the destruction of the well and combine fertilizer ..wow. Everyone's tap water varies. Even locally city tap water at my old address was very poor compared to my current location (35 miles difference). Do not trust a well or RO water unless you know the PPM when using fertilizer it could stunt the growth of your plants. Bottom line fertilizer represent more of a risk than a benefit in my growing area, just not worth the risk. There are plenty of bugs of all sizes for the plants to catch anywhere on the east and Midwest (USA) inside a home or out. Even Martha Stewart has bugs in her home, sorry to tell her that. As I do not grow plants under lights or in the protection of a greenhouse or other covered area I would rather let nature take its course (unless its bugs, disease, bird, or damn squirrels ripping my stuff up). In a controlled environment better results may occur with light fertilizer. Though I know some very skilled growers that do fertilize with excellent results using a diluted acidic foliar spray on seedlings and stop as the plants mature. Larry Mellinchamp has a good write up on fertilizer for seedlings and it does show results. Take care, Mike St. Petersburg Florida ----- Original Message ----- To: "Cp List" Sent: Friday, March 28, 2003 5:28 PM > Mike, > What kind of fertilizer are you using to get a 1 year old from seed plant to > bloom? I have plants from seed & after 6 mos and they are still only about > 1 inch high! They were stratified and are growing under the best of > conditions under lights. > James A. Rollins > [mailto:willows@rose.net] > > > _______________________________________________ > Cp mailing list > Cp@omnisterra.com > http://omnisterra.com/mailman/listinfo/cp_omnisterra.com ################### From: Cp@omnisterra.com ({USER_FIRSTNAME} {USER_LASTNAME}) Date: Sat, 29 Mar 2003 21:46:44 -0500 Subject: [CP] Nepenthes alata The flowers are not all that much, and you won't get seed from a single plant if that is your goal. If the plant is growing well and producing pitchers that are colorful, enjoy it. Maybe Rob Cantley can give you some tips, but I don't think anyone understands why or when Nepenthes flower. I have had some plants outdoors through a very cold winter and a freeze and a few are blooming now (N. maxima). And the Judith Finn.... I would have thought they wouldn't bloom, but they are and early then last year with a warmer winter. The big surprise that still shocks me is every N. ventricosa died outdoors with the cold weather, yet most N. rafflesiana growing right along with the ventricosa's did not die and are starting with new growth. I can't understand this. All experienced temperatures to 28 F for a extended period ( 5 to 8 hrs) on top of a very cold couple of months with low humidity. Mike St. Petersburg Florida ----- Original Message ----- To: Sent: Saturday, March 29, 2003 12:37 PM Dear friends, I have a N. alata that in 5 years has never bloomed. What can I do for it to bloom? Marcos ------------------------------------------ Use o melhor sistema de busca da Internet Radar UOL - http://www.radaruol.com.br _______________________________________________ Cp mailing list Cp@omnisterra.com http://omnisterra.com/mailman/listinfo/cp_omnisterra.com ################### From: Cp@omnisterra.com (Cp@omnisterra.com) Date: Sat, 29 Mar 2003 22:13:19 -0500 (EST) Subject: [CP] Aldrovanda Sale For sale, five types of Aldrovanda based on geography plus mixed types proven hardy in USDA Zone 7a (winter temperatures down to 0 to +5F= -18 to -15C). Prices are per plant or per turion, depending on availabiltiy one or the other will be sent. Japanese $7 Polish $7 Northern Territory Australia (least red form on this list) $7 Southeast Australia (more red than Northern Territory form) $8 Southwest Australia (most red form in cultivation ) $12 Mixed turions (may be any one of the forms above) which successfully overwintered in USDA Zone 7a $10 each If interested, please email me off the list. Other cp's also available. Thanks, Doug Darnowski ################### From: Cp@omnisterra.com (Frederick JM Depuydt) Date: Sun, 30 Mar 2003 06:23:45 +0100 Subject: [CP] Re: Richard Dawkins, Daphnia and moss You're correct Joseph, I just found the English translation of the title on the inside of the cover. Frederick >** I think the book that Frederick is reading might actually be >** "Climbing >Mount Improbable" rather than "Selfish Gene"--both great >** books by Dawkins--- Need a new email address that people can remember Check out the new EudoraMail at http://www.eudoramail.com ################### From: Cp@omnisterra.com (David Ahrens) Date: Sun, 30 Mar 2003 09:27:54 +0000 Subject: [CP] Ants The subject of ants comes up quite regularly. An old victorian remedy is to mix one part cake icing sugar with one part borax. This will keep for ever in a closed jar or tin. When you want to use it, mix it with water to form a paste and put it down on a small dish. The ants will take it back with them and, most importantly, all the ants will eat it. It will kill the nest off with no harm to anything else. In the UK, you are not allowed, by law , to make up your own insecticides. All chemicals have to be approved. We have an ant destroyer called Nippon which contains the same ingrediants. However, the chance of the police turning up on your doorstep is remote, I have never heard of it happening. Regards, David Ahrens, London. _________________________________________________________________ Get Hotmail on your mobile phone http://www.msn.co.uk/msnmobile/mobilehotmail ################### From: Cp@omnisterra.com (Earlsw5) Date: Sun, 30 Mar 2003 12:50:31 +0200 Subject: [CP] Re: New Grower Hey all, I'm an italian guy growing CP since about 1 year. This is my first international CP list that i join. Hope to get good suggestions from all of you, to grow better my plants. So far my collection is very small and I hope to find people for trading seeds or small plants a friendship is welcome too :-) Here is the list of my plants: DROSERE Aliciae Adelae Callistos Capensis Capensis Alba Capensis Red (growing from seeds) Capillaris. Manii. Rotundifolia. Spatulata (Lovellae) DIONEE Akai Ryu Tipical form (Cresco) Dentate Dingley Fine tooth x Red SARRACENIE Rubra Purpurea PINGUICOLE Moranensis Weser Hans CEPHALOTUS The only type exixting in the world ;-) Regards ENRICO Italy (MO) ################### From: Cp@omnisterra.com (Steven Stewart) Date: Sun, 30 Mar 2003 09:09:12 -0500 Subject: [CP] Fungus on Sarracenia seedlings Hello Chuck, Mike & all, I agree with Mike that it looks like mineral build up on the seedlings, but you may also have juvenile mealybugs on your seedlings. Some of the white spots seem to resemble "crawlers" or very young pests. Do you have a mealybug problem on any other plants that you grow? Sometimes they can migrate and cause problems, especially this time of year in the U.S.. A light spray of water based insecticide when not in direct sun _may_ help if this is your problem. Take Care, Steve Stewart > Subject: [CP] Fungus on Sarracenia seedlings Hello... > > I'm growing some Sarracenia seedlings and I'm having trouble with fungus. I've > been on the list for a few years now, so I know the more general fungus issues, > but I was hoping someone could tell me something about _my_ fungus. > > It's a crusty, chalky white and seems to always start around the > crown of the seedling. I have some pictures that should pretty > clearly show the problem: > > http://66.127.255.2/cp/ > > The last three pictures show the fungus. You can see it creeping > up the pitcher a bit. > > I have some Captan that's a bit old (as we're not allowed to buy > Captan in California anymore), so I'm going to try what's left of > that. Any other advice would be helpful. > > Thanks.. > > Chuck R. > San Jose, CA > Subject: Re: [CP] Fungus on Sarracenia seedlings > Hi Chuck, > > Nice pictures, good detail. > > I don't see a fungal problem. I see hard water build up on the plants, > that's the chalky looking stuff. Some algae/slim green stuff on the top of > the potting medium, but the seedlings don't appear to have any fungal > problem as of these pictures. ################### From: Cp@omnisterra.com (Ivan Snyder) Date: Sun, 30 Mar 2003 08:49:39 -0800 Subject: [CP] Re: One yr. and blooming / heterosis Hi Steven and all, I was reading up on inbreeding and outcrossing recently and came across some interesting info that I think applies here. I learned that there is a falacy concerning heterosis (also known as hybrid vigor). We all know that in corn heterosis makes the plants produce larger fruits. But I learned that this is not what is typically seen with heterosis. More often, heterosis causes plants to mature and flower sooner. Ivan Snyder Hermosa Beach California >I have seen many species and hybrids flower in a year from seed. I have also seen stubborn individual plants refuse to flower after many (5+) years. Out of an entire seed capsule of first generation S. excellens, I have one that flowered within the first year. Second generations of this plant produces very slow growers... Steve Stewart Florida, USA ________________________________________________________________ Sign Up for Juno Platinum Internet Access Today Only $9.95 per month! Visit www.juno.com ################### From: Cp@omnisterra.com (Steve Ray) Date: Tue, 25 Mar 2003 11:37:43 -0500 Subject: [CP] Question regarding Sarr. hybrids This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPartTM-000-e992e203-23fd-4a77-a53c-0a58493f12de Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0007_01C2F2C2.F2E89060" ------=_NextPart_000_0007_01C2F2C2.F2E89060 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable In general, are Sarr. hybrids with an S. purpurea spp. purpurea parent = more cold hardy. As a northern grower, I'd love to plant some pitchers = in my bog that will stand up to the winters as successfully as purple = pitchers. Is anyone aware of specific hybrids that are much more cold = tolerant than their parentals. Thanks. Steve ------=_NextPart_000_0007_01C2F2C2.F2E89060 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
In general, are Sarr. hybrids with an = S. purpurea=20 spp. purpurea parent more cold hardy.  As a northern grower, I'd = love to=20 plant some pitchers in my bog that will stand up to the winters as = successfully=20 as purple pitchers.  Is anyone aware of specific hybrids that are = much more=20 cold tolerant than their parentals.  Thanks.
 
Steve
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The listserve didn't like the previous = subject=20 title I used (Question regarding Sarr. hybrids), so I'm posting this = with a new=20 subject...hopefully not as offensive to the listserve = computer:
 
In general, are Sarr. hybrids with an = S. purpurea=20 spp. purpurea parent more cold hardy.  As a northern grower, I'd = love to=20 plant some pitchers in my bog that will stand up to the winters as = successfully=20 as purple pitchers.  Is anyone aware of specific hybrids that are = much more=20 cold tolerant than their parentals.  Thanks.
 
Steve
------=_NextPart_000_000A_01C2F381.B7285640-- ------=_NextPartTM-000-8a44b744-04f7-4783-b6df-0b5260899875-- ################### From: Cp@omnisterra.com (Steve Ray) Date: Wed, 26 Mar 2003 10:30:45 -0500 Subject: [CP] Question regarding sarracenia hybrids This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPartTM-000-77f215fc-f4e0-4e3d-b240-41996a7af042 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0023_01C2F382.C25D7D00" ------=_NextPart_000_0023_01C2F382.C25D7D00 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable In general, are Sarr. hybrids with an S. purpurea spp. purpurea parent = more cold hardy. As a northern grower, I'd love to plant some pitchers = in my bog that will stand up to the winters as successfully as purple = pitchers. Is anyone aware of specific hybrids that are much more cold = tolerant than their parentals. Thanks. Steve ------=_NextPart_000_0023_01C2F382.C25D7D00 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
In general, are Sarr. hybrids with an = S. purpurea=20 spp. purpurea parent more cold hardy.  As a northern grower, I'd = love to=20 plant some pitchers in my bog that will stand up to the winters as = successfully=20 as purple pitchers.  Is anyone aware of specific hybrids that are = much more=20 cold tolerant than their parentals.  Thanks.
 
Steve
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Hello All,
    I'm planning a trip = to the=20 Ashville area of North Carolina and looking for some places to view = Pitcher=20 Plants and other carnivorous plants. I'm looking for either a guide = person or=20 gardens/Parks where plants can be seen.
    Two years ago I was = in the=20 Eastern area of NC and had a great tour of the Green Swamp by Frank = Galloway. I=20 do hope to get back over that way and learn more from him!
 
    I am also looking = for some=20 places in the same area where I would be able to purchase some=20 plants.
 
Thanks
Dave Meyer
 
------=_NextPart_000_07E8_01C2F479.54BEDD50-- ################### From: Cp@omnisterra.com (Cp@omnisterra.com) Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2003 21:05:28 EST Subject: [CP] Looking for Cephalotus and Heliamphora --part1_c1.30669db4.2bb507e8_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi! I am looking for mature or near-mature Cephalotus plants (mature meaning near flowering size), and Heliamphora species and hybrids with mature pitchers. The following is a partial listing of available Pings for trade: --P. gigantea --P. macrophylla --P. moctezumae --P. cyclosecta --P. agnata --P. rectifolia --P. esseriana --P. moranensis var. caudata --P. moranensis var. 'Superba' --P. moranensis "D" --P. gracilis --P. agnata "true blue" (State of Hidalgo, Mexico) --P. moranensis 'Huaulta' --P. moranensis "A" --P. laueana --P. x 'Pirouette' --P. x 'Kewensis' --P. x 'Weser' --P. x 'morellia' --P. x 'Aphrodite' Please e-mail me if you have Cephalotus or Heliamphora available! Thanks! P.S. Trades only at this time, thank you! Owen The CP Bog www.cpbog.com --part1_c1.30669db4.2bb507e8_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi!  I am looking fo= r mature or near-mature Cephalotus plants (mature meaning near flowering siz= e), and Heliamphora species and hybrids with mature pitchers.  The foll= owing is a partial listing of available Pings for trade:

--P. gigantea
--P. macrophylla
--P. moctezumae
--P. cyclosecta
--P. agnata
--P. rectifolia
--P. esseriana
--P. moranensis var. caudata
--P. moranensis var. 'Superba'
--P. moranensis "D"
--P. gracilis
--P. agnata "true blue" (State of Hidalgo, Mexico)
--P. moranensis 'Huaulta'
--P. moranensis "A"
--P. laueana
--P. x 'Pirouette'
--P. x 'Kewensis'
--P. x 'Weser'
--P. x 'morellia'
--P. x 'Aphrodite'

Please e-mail me if you have Cephalotus or Heliamphora available!

Thanks!

P.S.  Trades only at this time, thank you!

Owen
The CP Bog
www.cpbog.com --part1_c1.30669db4.2bb507e8_boundary-- ################### From: Cp@omnisterra.com (SMS74) Date: Sat, 29 Mar 2003 21:21:34 +0100 Subject: [CP] New Entry Messaggio in formato MIME composto da pi parti. ------=_NextPart_000_0059_01C2F639.2D1FE930 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: Quoted-Printable Hey all, I'm an italian guy growing CP since about 1 year. This is my first international CP list that i join. Hope to get good suggestions from all of you, to grow better my plants. So far my collection is very small and I hope to find people for trading = seeds or small plants a friendship is welcome too :-) Here is the list of my plants: DROSERE Aliciae Adelae Callistos Capensis Capensis Alba Capensis Red (growing from seeds) Capillaris. Manii. Rotundifolia. Spatulata (Lovellae) DIONEE Akai Ryu Tipical form (Cresco) Dentate Dingley Fine tooth x Red SARRACENIE Rubra Purpurea PINGUICOLE Moranensis Weser Hans CEPHALOTUS The only type exixting in the world ;-) Regards ENRICO Italy (MO) ------=_NextPart_000_0059_01C2F639.2D1FE930 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: Quoted-Printable
Hey all,
I'm an italian guy growing CP since = about 1=20 year.
This is my first international CP list = that i=20 join.
Hope to get good suggestions from all = of you,=20 to grow better my plants.
 
So far my collection is very small and = I hope to=20 find people for trading seeds or small plants a friendship is welcome = too=20 :-)
Here is the list of my = plants:
 
DROSERE
Aliciae
Adelae
Callistos
Capensis
Capensi= s=20 Alba
Capensis Red (growing from=20 seeds)
Capillaris.
Manii.
Rotundifolia.
Spatulata=20 (Lovellae)
 
DIONEE
Akai Ryu
Tipical form=20 (Cresco)
Dentate
Dingley
Fine tooth x Red
 
SARRACENIE
Rubra
Purpurea
 
PINGUICOLE
Moranensis
Weser
Hans
 
CEPHALOTUS
The only type exixting in = the world=20 ;-)
 
Regards
ENRICO
Italy (MO)
------=_NextPart_000_0059_01C2F639.2D1FE930-- ################### From: Cp@omnisterra.com (Philippe NAMOUR) Date: Sun, 30 Mar 2003 15:44:47 +0200 Subject: [CP] One yr and blooming --=====================_2770642==_.ALT Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Hi Mike >I don't use fertilizer on Sarracenia, though I have experimented with it in >the past. I see no visible results and more negative results such as >stunted or burned plants with a potting medium that sours quicker. Water >quality plays a key role in any attempt to fertilize and a water pH can >change the compounds of even a diluted fertilizer. It's totaly right. >A higher pH in the >water, is more hazardous to the content of the fertilizer to the tender acid >loving plants. Alkaline water is far worse than a high pH. Remember you >can have a low pH and high alkaline content. It's impossible : alkaline meaning the opposite of acid (chemicals which combine with acids to form salts) and thus meaning high pH. But it's true on the other hand, a water can be acidic and strongly mineralized (salty water). It's harmful for acid loving CP. Perhaps this is the case in Florida where a carbonated subtratum is dissolved by acid water coming from the acid soils making water charged with calcium. Philippe Lyon France >My well runs a pH of about >4.6, but believe me it is dangerously high with calcium for any type of >foliar spraying directly to the leaves of Sarracenia!! In times of drought >I use City Tap water and lots of it (Rain is my main water source not tap >water), this is far superior to the untreated well water. I have seen no >problem with the small amounts of fluoride or chloramines compared to the >destruction of the well and combine fertilizer ..wow. Everyone's tap water >varies. Even locally city tap water at my old address was very poor >compared to my current location (35 miles difference). >Do not trust a well or RO water unless you know the PPM when using >fertilizer it could stunt the growth of your plants. > >Bottom line fertilizer represent more of a risk than a benefit in my growing >area, just not worth the risk. There are plenty of bugs of all sizes for >the plants to catch anywhere on the east and Midwest (USA) inside a home or >out. Even Martha Stewart has bugs in her home, sorry to tell her that. > > As I do not grow plants under lights or in the protection of a greenhouse >or other covered area I would rather let nature take its course (unless its >bugs, disease, bird, or damn squirrels ripping my stuff up). In a >controlled environment better results may occur with light fertilizer. > >Though I know some very skilled growers that do fertilize with excellent >results using a diluted acidic foliar spray on seedlings and stop as the >plants mature. > > >Larry Mellinchamp has a good write up on fertilizer for seedlings and it >does show results. > >Take care, > >Mike >St. Petersburg Florida > > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Rollins" >To: "Cp List" >Sent: Friday, March 28, 2003 5:28 PM >Subject: [CP] One yr and blooming > > > > Mike, > > What kind of fertilizer are you using to get a 1 year old from seed plant >to > > bloom? I have plants from seed & after 6 mos and they are still only >about > > 1 inch high! They were stratified and are growing under the best of > > conditions under lights. > > James A. Rollins > > [mailto:willows@rose.net] > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Cp mailing list > > Cp@omnisterra.com > > http://omnisterra.com/mailman/listinfo/cp_omnisterra.com > > >_______________________________________________ >Cp mailing list >Cp@omnisterra.com >http://omnisterra.com/mailman/listinfo/cp_omnisterra.com Dr. Philippe Namour, Cemagref, URE QEPP, 3bis quai Chauveau, CP 200, F-69336 Lyon cedex 09, France http://www.lyon.cemagref.fr/lyon/, Phone:+33 4 72 20 87 56, Fax :+33 4 78 47 78 75 The contents of this message express only the sender's opinion 5TH INTERNATIONAL CARNIVOROUS PLANT CONGRESS : LYON, FRANCE - JUNE 17-21, 2004 http://site.voila.fr/dionee/icps2004_en.htm or http://www.carnivorousplants.org/latestnews/2004conference/2004con.html --=====================_2770642==_.ALT Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Hi Mike

I don't use fertilizer on Sarracenia, though I have experimented with it in
the past.  I see no visible results and more negative results such as
stunted or burned plants with a potting medium that sours quicker.  Water
quality plays a key role in any attempt to fertilize and a water pH can
change the compounds of even a diluted fertilizer. 

It's totaly right.

A higher pH in the
water, is more hazardous to the content of the fertilizer to the tender acid
loving plants.  Alkaline water is far worse than a high pH.  Remember you
can have a low pH and high alkaline content.


It's impossible : alkaline meaning the opposite of acid (chemicals which combine with acids to form salts) and thus meaning high pH.
But it's true on the other hand, a water can be acidic and strongly mineralized (salty water).
It's harmful for acid loving CP.
Perhaps this is the case in Florida where a carbonated subtratum is dissolved by acid water coming from the acid soils making water charged with calcium.

Philippe
Lyon France



My well runs a pH of about
4.6, but believe me it is dangerously high with calcium for any type of
foliar spraying directly to the leaves of Sarracenia!!  In times of drought
I use City Tap water and lots of it (Rain is my main water source not tap
water), this is far superior to the untreated well water.  I have seen no
problem with the small amounts of fluoride or chloramines compared to the
destruction of the well and combine fertilizer ..wow.  Everyone's tap water
varies.  Even locally city tap water at my old address was very poor
compared to my current location (35 miles difference).
Do not trust a well or RO water unless you know the PPM when using
fertilizer it could stunt the growth of your plants.

Bottom line fertilizer represent more of a risk than a benefit in my growing
area, just not worth the risk.  There are plenty of bugs of all sizes for
the plants to catch anywhere on the east and Midwest (USA) inside a home or
out.  Even Martha Stewart has bugs in her home, sorry to tell her that.

 As I do not grow plants under lights or in the protection of a greenhouse
or other covered area I would rather let nature take its course (unless its
bugs, disease, bird, or damn squirrels ripping my stuff up).  In a
controlled environment better results may occur with light fertilizer.

Though I know some very skilled growers that do fertilize with excellent
results using a diluted acidic foliar spray on seedlings and stop as the
plants mature.


Larry Mellinchamp has a good write up on fertilizer for seedlings and it
does show results.

Take care,

Mike
St. Petersburg Florida


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> Mike,
> What kind of fertilizer are you using to get a 1 year old from seed plant
to
> bloom?  I have plants from seed & after 6 mos and they are still only
about
> 1 inch high!  They were stratified and are growing under the best of
> conditions under lights.
> James A. Rollins
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--=====================_2770642==_.ALT-- ################### From: Cp@omnisterra.com (Steven J. Ray) Date: Sun, 30 Mar 2003 13:50:06 -0500 Subject: [CP] looks like the listserve got fixed Just wanted to apologize for the multiple posts from me that just came through the listserve. Those were sent last week and kept getting rejected since I had HTML formatting turned on. By the time I figured that out I had sent a few copies. Looks like the problem was just remedied, so they finally came through. Steve ################### From: Cp@omnisterra.com (Cp@omnisterra.com) Date: Sun, 30 Mar 2003 16:13:18 -0300 Subject: [CP] =?iso-8859-1?Q?Wanting=20to=20trade=21=21=21?= Dear friends, My name is Marcos Alexandre. I don't know if you remember me, but some we= eks ago I asked for anyone who could help me sending me seeds, so that I coul= d restart my cps colection, which I had lost some years ago. Unfortunately only one friend volunteered to send some seeds. So, I decided to offer something I have and sometimes could be interestin= g for someone. I want to ask for someone who likes phonecards... I have man= y brazilian phonecards, and I'm wanting to trade them for cps. You say your= price and I pay. Thanks, Marcos marcos.alc@zipmail.com.br ------------------------------------------ Use o melhor sistema de busca da Internet Radar UOL - http://www.radaruol.com.br ################### From: Cp@omnisterra.com (Iwein COPPENS) Date: Sun, 30 Mar 2003 21:59:51 +0200 Subject: [CP] propagation of Pinguicula macrophylla Dear CP enthusiasts, is there anyone who has experience in propagating P. macrophylla? I suppose easiest way is by leaf cuttings? At the moment i have only one plant that I have grown for two years. No flowers, but the plant forms wonderful healthy hibernaculum. Still i think it is risky to have only one plant in collection, if anything happens... Can I dig it up and take some leaves off, like one would do with other Pinguicula, or is a special treatment neccessary? best regards, Iwein ################### From: Cp@omnisterra.com (Earlsw5) Date: Sun, 30 Mar 2003 22:22:52 +0200 Subject: [CP] Allen Price List Hello all, I was interested in placin an order for some plants to Allen L. I didn't find any price list on the web, and I heard that I shoul ask via ordinary mail a paper copy directly to Allen. Does anyone have a updated price list (an old one is ok too) just to have a look at the prices and to check shipping costs and stuff? I want to have an idea of what that costs. An electonic copy like .pdf .jpg .tif .zip would be great. Thanks in advance Enrico Italy - Mild and sunny days here ################### From: Cp@omnisterra.com (Steven J. Ray) Date: Sun, 30 Mar 2003 15:16:39 -0500 Subject: [CP] Wanting to trade!!! Marcos, You may want to check the discussion forums at www.petflytrap.com. There is a carnivorous plant trading post there where people often post available seeds that you only have to send a self addressed stamped envelope to receive. Another idea is that if you can spare $25 USD you can join the international carnivorous plant society (www.carnivorousplants.org) and get more seeds than you could ever use for $1 per packet (not including S&H). Even better is that you get the newsletter with your membership...you can't go wrong. Steve ----- Original Message ----- To: Sent: Sunday, March 30, 2003 2:13 PM Dear friends, My name is Marcos Alexandre. I don't know if you remember me, but some weeks ago I asked for anyone who could help me sending me seeds, so that I could restart my cps colection, which I had lost some years ago. Unfortunately only one friend volunteered to send some seeds. http://omnisterra.com/mailman/listinfo/cp_omnisterra.com ################### From: Cp@omnisterra.com (Michael Fitz) Date: Sun, 30 Mar 2003 18:27:14 -0500 (Eastern Standard Time) Subject: [CP] Plant Stand for Sale hey guys,=0D I have a light stand for sale. This offer is intended for beginners but i= t doesn't really matter. The sizes for the light stand are as followed. =0D Height:24 inches/61 centimeters=0D Length:28 inches/71 centimeters=0D Width:11 inches/28 centimeters=0D 4 20 watt bulbs. =0D The stand moves from 2 inch to 24. =0D And for the price. I payed about $65. But I will sell it for $40 (bulbs included). I might be able to trade it for plants too. . Who knows, mayb= e we can negotiate. =0D If there are any questions or comments e-mail me at =0D CP_Man79@hotmail.com=0D Thanks=0D Mike =0D =0D P.S. =0D Email me for the pic=0D =20 ################### From: Cp@omnisterra.com (Barry A. Rice) Date: Sun, 30 Mar 2003 18:46:40 -0800 (PST) Subject: [CP] Re:Trip to North Carolina Hey Dave, Regarding a place to buy plants. Try Carolina Carnivorous Gardens. David Crump runs that out of Charlotte, NC. I don't have contact information on me now---but he advertises regularly in CPN. Cheers Barry > Two years ago I was in the Eastern area of NC and had a great tour = > of the Green Swamp by Frank Galloway. I do hope to get back over that = > way and learn more from him! > > I am also looking for some places in the same area where I would be = > able to purchase some plants. > > Thanks > Dave Meyer ------------------------ Barry A. Rice, Ph.D. Carnivorous Plant Newsletter Conservation Coeditor barry@carnivorousplants.org http://www.carnivorousplants.org ################### From: Cp@omnisterra.com (Chuck Rossi) Date: Sun, 30 Mar 2003 22:58:16 -0800 Subject: [CP] Fungus on Sarracenia seedlings Mike, Steve, Thanks for the great information. From your description, it does sound like I have issues with mineral deposits. This is surprising to me, as I've gone though great pains to use steam distilled water, collected rain water, or store bought distilled water to give to the seedlings. It's possible one of my sources is not up to snuff. I'll try using some fresh steam distilled water to hose off the deposits from the plants to see if that keeps the problem at bay until the plants grow up a bit. Steve S. mentions the possibility of mealy bugs - I double checked and I don't see any of them on the seedlings. A couple of the pictures were kind of out of focus - they give the impression of fuzzy bugs at the base of the plant. I'll keep the Captan in reserve. They only other fungicide they seem to offer to the consumer (in CA) these days is sulfur spray, which probably won't do much for the health of the plants. Thanks again for the help - it's a relief when you finally understand why things are going wrong. Chuck http://66.127.255.2/cp/ ################### From: Cp@omnisterra.com (Cp@omnisterra.com) Date: Mon, 31 Mar 2003 09:53:54 GMT+00:00 Subject: [CP] Drosera enodes etc I bought some Drosera enodes gemmae from Allen Lowrie last year and the plants are currently flowering. The difference from Drosera stelliflora is quite noticeable when the two are side by side, and I'm now certain that what I previously had as D. enodes was in fact mis-named material of D stelliflora. Although the plants haven't yet flowered, I'm convinced that last year I also received genuine Drosera androsacea. The way it does its thing with the petioles is rather spooky. I hope to take piccies of this and D. enodes for my web site some time this week. My Utricularia welwitschii are flowering at the moment, and the flowers are white! I'm pretty certain that nothing else has had the opportunity to invade the pot. Has anyone else had white flowers? My plants don't usually flower at this time of year, so I was wondering if it might be environmental. NigelH -------------------- talk21 your FREE portable and private address on the net at http://www.talk21.com ################### From: Cp@omnisterra.com (Steve LaWarre) Date: Mon, 31 Mar 2003 09:28:30 -0500 Subject: [CP] Fungus on Sarracenia seedlings Hey Chuck, I agree with mike, it doesn't look like a fungal problem. I would say = you have water issues that need to be worked out.=20 I typically like to grow sarr seedlings a bit on the dryer side. Not dry = like a house plant mind you. I don't like seedlings to sit in water all = the time. If you are getting a lot of the green algae growth I think it = may be a bit TOO wet. That may sound like an oxymoron when talking about = a bog plant, but I don't get near the mortality rate with sarr seedlings = if I keep them constantly damp but not sitting in water.=20 Do the pots your growing in have drainage? Even good water will build up = soluble salts if the water doesn't have the opportunity to leach out of = the bottom of the pot. The undrained pots that I have grown in also lead = to more of a problem with surface slime. Hope that helps. Steve LaWarre Grand Rapids, MI=20 > -----Original Message----- > From: Chuck Rossi [mailto:chuckr@usa.net] > Sent: Saturday, March 29, 2003 1:10 AM > To: Cp@omnisterra.com > Subject: [CP] Fungus on Sarracenia seedlings >=20 >=20 > Hello... >=20 > I'm growing some Sarracenia seedlings and I'm having trouble=20 > with fungus. I've > been on the list for a few years now, so I know the more=20 > general fungus issues, > but I was hoping someone could tell me something about _my_ fungus. >=20 > It's a crusty, chalky white and seems to always start around the > crown of the seedling. I have some pictures that should pretty > clearly show the problem: >=20 > http://66.127.255.2/cp/ >=20 > The last three pictures show the fungus. You can see it creeping > up the pitcher a bit. >=20 > I have some Captan that's a bit old (as we're not allowed to buy > Captan in California anymore), so I'm going to try what's left of > that. Any other advice would be helpful. >=20 > Thanks.. >=20 > Chuck R. > San Jose, CA >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > _______________________________________________ > Cp mailing list > Cp@omnisterra.com > http://omnisterra.com/mailman/listinfo/cp_omnisterra.com >=20 ################### From: Cp@omnisterra.com (Steve LaWarre) Date: Mon, 31 Mar 2003 09:54:45 -0500 Subject: [CP] RE: pH vs. Alkalinity (was: One yr and blooming) --- Mike Wrote: --- >A higher pH in the >water, is more hazardous to the content of the fertilizer to the tender = acid >loving plants. Alkaline water is far worse than a high pH. Remember = you >can have a low pH and high alkaline content.=20 --- Philippe responded:--- It's impossible : alkaline meaning the opposite of acid (chemicals which = combine with acids to form salts) and thus meaning high pH. But it's true on the other hand, a water can be acidic and strongly = mineralized (salty water).=20 It's harmful for acid loving CP. Perhaps this is the case in Florida where a carbonated subtratum is = dissolved by acid water coming from the acid soils making water charged = with calcium. Philippe Lyon France -------------------- Philippe, When talking about water quality, people often mistake pH and alkalinity = as the same thing. They are not the same thing. pH is a measure of acidity or basisity. Alkalinity is the quantitative = capacity of a water sample to neutralize an acid to a set pH. This = measurement is very important in determining the buffering or corrosive = characteristics of water due primarily to hydroxide, carbonate and = bicarbonate ions. Alkalinity and pH are totally separate measurements with regard to water = quality. As Mike mentioned its very possible to have a low pH and a very = high alkalinity. They are separate measurements. Steve LaWarre Grand Rapids, MI =20 ################### From: Cp@omnisterra.com (Cp@omnisterra.com) Date: Mon, 31 Mar 2003 10:33:34 -0500 Subject: [CP] Re:Trip to North Carolina He is on the ICPS webring list of sites, so you cna get contact info there. Regards, Joe In a message dated 3/30/2003 9:46:40 PM Eastern Standard Time, bamrice@ucdavis.edu writes: > > > > > Hey Dave, > > Regarding a place to buy plants. Try Carolina Carnivorous Gardens. David > Crump runs that out of Charlotte, NC. I don't have contact information on > me now---but he advertises regularly in CPN. > > Cheers > > Barry > > > Two years ago I was in the Eastern area of NC and had a great tour = > > of the Green Swamp by Frank Galloway. I do hope to get back over that = > > way and learn more from him! > > > > I am also looking for some places in the same area > where I would be = > > able to purchase some plants. > > > > Thanks > > Dave Meyer > > ------------------------ > Barry A. Rice, Ph.D. > Carnivorous Plant Newsletter > Conservation Coeditor > barry@carnivorousplants.org > http://www.carnivorousplants.org > > > _______________________________________________ > Cp mailing list > Cp@omnisterra.com > http://omnisterra.com/mailman/listinfo/cp_omnisterra.com ################### From: Cp@omnisterra.com (Cp@omnisterra.com) Date: Mon, 31 Mar 2003 10:59:08 -0500 Subject: [CP] Fungicide Hi All, I've moved recently and I can't fine my Benomyl(yet). I have a bunch of seed to sow, and would like to know what the fungicide of choice is these days when you walk into any garden center and should be able to buy? Regards, Joe Griffin Lincoln, NE USA ################### From: Cp@omnisterra.com (Massey, Oliver) Date: Mon, 31 Mar 2003 11:10:22 -0500 Subject: [CP] Fungicide I once compared benlate to captan with Nep and Sarr. seed (sorry, no sundews). I found no difference in effectiveness in preventing dampoff/dying off. Both seemed to work very well for me. In each case I liberally sprayed the medium, dropped the seeds on the surface and then sprayed again. The Sarrs. were then stratified for ~6 weeks. I had absolutely no fuzzy stuff (scientific notation) on the trays for either of the fungicides. I did not have a no-treatment comparison, but in the past I have sometimes lost a whole tray to fuzzy death, so I took it as a positive outcome. Tom in Fl. -----Original Message----- Sent: Monday, March 31, 2003 10:59 AM To: Cp@omnisterra.com Hi All, I've moved recently and I can't fine my Benomyl(yet). I have a bunch of seed to sow, and would like to know what the fungicide of choice is these days when you walk into any garden center and should be able to buy? Regards, Joe Griffin Lincoln, NE USA _______________________________________________ Cp mailing list Cp@omnisterra.com http://omnisterra.com/mailman/listinfo/cp_omnisterra.com ################### From: Cp@omnisterra.com (Kirk Martin) Date: Mon, 31 Mar 2003 11:45:12 -0500 Subject: [CP] Sarracenia's can be tough.... *Warning* Does not reflect best CP growing practices but my pain may help others.... I moved into my new house in Fitchburg MA (USDA zone 5-6) on December 17th 2002 and brought my cp collection along with me. I temporarily placed my Sarracenia's outside in a non-insulated shed with no mulch with the intent of moving them inside. I was growing S. flava, leucophylla, purpurea ssp purpurea (and one venosa), minor and S (purp x flava) mutt hybrid in 6-8" pots. We received a big snowfall (enough to keep me from being able to open my shed door) and then the temperatures dropped. We had a sustained -10 to -15 weather for 4 days. The weather was so cold that I could not get my lock to open no matter what I did. I cringed thinking that all my Sarraceniae were frozen solid. After the temperatures warmed up (to 0F) I was finally able to open the lock. I placed my traumatized plants into my walk-in basement area where temperatures were in the 30F range for the rest of the winter. I recently took them out when temperatures were consistently above 40F. Some of the leaves were clearly browner than normal but the rhizomes were in good shape I lost 2 S. minors and one S. purp venosa Their rhizomes were brown and brittle. The survivors were: about 4 S. flava, 3 S. leucophylla, 1 S. purp ssp. purp (did anyone doubt it?) The mutt flava x purp So please don't report me to any plant abuse authorities but these guys are tough.... Kirk Martin Check out our new Cp Society webpage for the New England CP Society http://www.necps.org/ ################### From: Cp@omnisterra.com (Aaron Hicks) Date: Mon, 31 Mar 2003 15:31:04 -0700 Subject: [CP] Distilled water Spring is springing up, and there have been a couple of questions about water on the list. I wanted to make mention of my own water woes, and how I fixed them. I live in the Phoenix metro area; I'm a chemist, and know a lot of water chemistry (probably too much). I raise orchids (and a handful of CPs), and the water simply has too many dissolved solids. There's RO (wasteful) and distilled (expensive), but Phoenix is blessed with a solar overdose of Biblical proportions. Simple solution: solar distillation. I've been running a solar still for about a year and a half now; it fills itself off the sprinkler system, and there's a bit of overflow so it's self-cleaning. It has paid for itself in less than a year of service. In the summer, I can get better than a gallon per day; that is enough for me, Lisa, a handful of orchids in an orchidarium, and my plant tissue culture lab which runs thousands of plants in sterile culture right now. I transitioned from store-bought DI to my solar DI, and it works just fine. Anyway- more information on the web pages I wrote on the subject. I thought it may be of use to some of the people on this mailer. Any questions, please ask! http://members.cox.net/ahicks51/osp/Technical_Data/solar_water/solar_water.html -AJ _________________________________________________________________ MSN 8 with e-mail virus protection service: 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/virus ################### From: Cp@omnisterra.com (Skau, Kenneth (SKAUKA)) Date: Mon, 31 Mar 2003 17:40:32 -0500 Subject: [CP] Alkalinity and acidity The issue of acidity and alkalinity has come up on this list serv from time to time with some individuals advocating that a particular solution can have low pH and high alkaline content. I'm not sure what they mean and am not sure if they are using the correct term. Scientifically, water exists as an equilibrium of H2O with H+ and OH-. The pH of a solution is NOT a measure of the acidity. By definition (first enunciated by the great chemist Soren Sorensen in 1909) pH refers to the negative log of the H+ concentration. At neutral pH (pH = 7) this concentration is 1 X 10 exp -7. One could also define a pOH which would be equivalent to pH at neutrality. pOH is rarely used. For an acid solution the numeric value of pH is smaller ( less than 7) , but because the value is a negative log this means the H+ concentration is high. In an alkaline solution the pH value is higher than 7 but the H+ concentration is lower. The product of the H+ concentration and the OH- concentration always equals the ionization constant of water (Kw) which is 14. So a very alkaline solution may have a pH approaching 14 and a very acidic solution has a pH approaching 1. These pH changes are accomplished by addition of substances that alter the relative concentrations of H+ and OH-. Addition of alkaline salts shift the equilibrium so that more OH- and less H+ exists. This makes an alkaline solution. One could add a strong acid (like HCl or hydrochloric acid) to such a solution, thus increasing the amount of H+ and reducing the pH. This would be an acidic solution with alkaline ions present, but not an alkaline solution. Perhaps this is what is confusing people when discussing acidity and alkalinity. Kind Regards, Ken Skau ################### From: Cp@omnisterra.com (D. muscipula) Date: Mon, 31 Mar 2003 17:43:52 -0500 Subject: [CP] Nepenthes lid issues Sorry to hear about your losses, Kirk. I apologize for bringing the Eastern Idaho (USDA 3-4) weather with me to Boston... On an unrelated note, i am having troubles with my neps and can't figure out the cause. The lids of the pitchers are very small compared to the pitchers, and the peristome is often quite constricted, as well. It is affecting both a lowlander (bical) grown in a closed (very humid) terrarium and a hardy highlander (alata) grown on a NW facing windowsill. Pitcher coloration is ok, and almost every tendril pitchers, but it seems that the development of the pitchers is disrupted at the point where the lid opens and finishes developing, so that part it ends up being very small. I'm not sure if it's a related problem, but the ventricosa pitchers are very closed compared to photos i've seen of how they "ought" to look. The lid is so near the opening that it is very difficult to feed the pitchers. Is this a varietal trait that has been previously observed? There's a picture of both problems here: http://necps.org/images/20030331-N.ventricosa&N.alata-problems.jpg And while i'm baring my horticultural failings to the world, does anybody know what it means if a Cephalotus never produces regular leaves (just pitchers)? Cheers, Nathan > *Warning* Does not reflect best CP growing practices but my pain may > *help > others.... > > ... > I cringed thinking that all my Sarraceniae were frozen solid. > > > After the temperatures warmed up (to 0F) I was finally able to open > the lock. I placed my traumatized plants into my walk-in basement > area where temperatures were in the 30F range for the rest of the > winter. > > > I recently took them out when temperatures were consistently above > 40F. Some of the leaves were clearly browner than normal but the > rhizomes were in good shape > > > I lost 2 S. minors and one S. purp venosa Their rhizomes were brown > and brittle. > > > The survivors were: about 4 S. flava, 3 S. leucophylla, 1 S. purp ssp. > purp (did anyone doubt it?) > The mutt flava x purp > > > So please don't report me to any plant abuse authorities but these > guys are tough.... > > > Kirk Martin Check out our new Cp Society webpage for the New England > CP Society http://www.necps.org/ ################### From: Cp@omnisterra.com (Cp@omnisterra.com) Date: Mon, 31 Mar 2003 20:02:28 -0500 Subject: [CP] Re: P. pumila Owen- I think that such variation is normal in P. pumila, even within small populations. A small stand of these guys near Apalachicola had flowers anywhere from 1.5-3 cm, white to blue-ish, and with enormous variation in the level to which the corollas were incised. I think that there is probably a suite of genes which control flower morphology and coloration in this species, and that this system produces the variations both among closely related plants and across geographic regions. Calen ################### From: Cp@omnisterra.com ({USER_FIRSTNAME} {USER_LASTNAME}) Date: Mon, 31 Mar 2003 20:35:59 -0500 Subject: [CP] Alkalinity and acidity > >Perhaps this is what >is confusing people when discussing acidity and alkalinity. >Kind Regards, >Ken Skau ..exactly as I am not a chemist, I should have written "alkalinity" instead of "alkaline" in my post.... Steve LaWarre did clear this mistake up in his reply on the post Regarding HORTICULTURAL applications, how about this,..... ---The term "alkalinity" should not be confused with the term "alkaline," which describes situations where pH levels exceed 7.0. Alkalinity establishes the buffering capacity of water and affects how much acid is required to change the pH. ---Remember alkalinity and pH are not the same. The characteristic of water that will have a bearing on the change in medium pH is alkalinity, not pH. Alkalinity for all practical purposes, is the "buffering capacity" of the water. A buffer solution is a solution that has the capacity to resist change in pH (usually a decrease). The greater the alkalinity of water, the greater is the buffering capacity of that water and the tougher it is to acidify. Alkalinity is measured in units expressed as mg/l of calcium carbonate. As the units imply, the source of alkalinity is usually from bicarbonates (HCO3-) and carbonates (CO3-2). Both of these components will cause growing media to increase in pH if present in sufficient amounts. ---When soils dry that have been irrigated with water high in bicarbonate, calcium and magnesium combine with the bicarbonate to form calcium and magnesium carbonates. These are insoluble salts and are not readily leached from the soil. With each irrigation, more calcium and magnesium carbonates are added to the soil. As they accumulate, they ease the soil pH upward, above pH 7. High soil pH levels make zinc, iron and manganese less available to plants. Because the relatively small soil volumes involved, the pH rise is more rapid in containers and in greenhouse bench soils than in field soils. --The rate and extent of pH increase will depend upon media formulation, watering practices and fertilization practices. The most important point is "high pH does not determine the capacity of irrigation water to increase a potting medium's pH during production - it is the water's alkalinity." ---Waters that contain less than 50 mg/l of bicarbonate usually do not have a serious effect on soil pH. Water containing concentrations of bicarbonate above 50 mg/ l cause pH increases in growing mediums and need to be acidified. So watering a small pot with a water with a pH of 7.8 - 8.0 may do less damage to rasing the soil pH than a harder water with a low pH of 4.6 - 6.0 which is common in the SE USA coastal plains irragation wells. You must realize and know the waters alkalininty and TDS. Buy a good EC meter or second choice a TDS meter and calibrate it. The point was in the danger of using fertilizer or pesticides with water of unknown quality on plants such as many species of cp that are highly sesentive to fertilizer in the first place. The added salts and nutrients can stunt, kill, or weaken the plant and aid in disease development. Thus IMHO fertilizer offers little or no benefit to native mature cp when grown in culture in most of the USA. But does pose a threat when applacitions are made hap-hazard with regards to known water quality. Later gator, Mike St. Petersburg Florida ################### From: Cp@omnisterra.com ({USER_FIRSTNAME} {USER_LASTNAME}) Date: Mon, 31 Mar 2003 21:00:26 -0500 Subject: [CP] Nepenthes lid issues Hi Nathan, I checked out your picture. The ventricosa pitcher looks fine, and shows the problem you are commenting on. The lid on the ventricosa is normal to size verse pitcher. as for it not opening all the way, I can only suggest that this does happen and I am not sure why, others may have better views on this . Maybe its a normal process in young growing plants? I have not found it all of the time related to humidity or moisture of the medium, though a low humidity or too dry growing medium will cause the lid to stay nearly shut to protect moisture inside the pitcher the plant may re-absorb in times of drought stress. In high light, and heat of the day the pitcher lids will move very close to covering the pitcher, and then re open towards evening or with a strong watering of the plant.. A stress response? The ventricosa in your picture looks like the agri-starts red variety, which is a super De Kanel plant and can take much stronger light than your plant is getting, but heat build up without ventilation could be a problem. Ventrciosa leaves should be thick and firm to the touch kind of waxy, the leaf longs thin in the picture it doesn't look firm to the touch. The other pitcher looks ok, but doesn't look like a N. bicalcarata. It just doesn't look it has matured to open yet. I have found that it is best not to allow Nepenthes to sit in water, looking at the trays of standing water, though N. bicalcarata and a few other lowlanders do very well if temperatures are maintained high. Best not to do it. They need a porous well aired medium, if they are without drainage roots can die sitting in water, and this will slow or stunt the plant. In viewing the pot on the right (bical) it appears that there is mineral & algae build up on the soil. As Steve Stewart mentioned a few post back this can mean your plants are not getting enough drainage. Really these pitchers look ok for the size plants they are. The best thing to do with Nepenthes is leave them alone if they are growing fine, and then look at them once a week to see all is well, nothing more. Take care, Mike St. Petersburg Fl ################### From: Cp@omnisterra.com (Dave Evans) Date: Tue, 1 Apr 2003 00:07:46 -0500 Subject: [CP] S. purpurea "Carolina Mountain" question Dear Homer, It's rather difficult to make a positive ID, but I think your plant is _Sarracenia purpurea venosa montana_, like the ID mentions. It is very rare, because it has a very small distribution in nature. I recall there was a distribution program set up a couple years back, by Atlanta Botanical Gardens (I think). Most of the plants out there in cultivation are probably the result of this and seed distribution from around the same time. I am unaware of any other efforts to mass propagate this plant for market. Phil Sheridan at Meadowview might have some available now and then. http://www.pitcherplant.org/ I hope people aren't crossing these guys with other _S. purpurea_... Same goes for _S. rosea_. Not that I am telling folks what to do with their plants, but it just doesn't strike me as a good idea. Dave Evans New Jersey, USA www.dangerousplants.com ----- Original Message ----- To: Sent: Monday, March 24, 2003 3:03 AM > Hello everyone, > > Two years ago, I purchased a Sarracenia purpurea "Carolina Mountain" from Cascade Carnivorous Plants. I have been unable to find any information about this plant online, nor do I see it offered for sale/trade at CP websites, etc. Does anyone have ANY information about this plant? Here is a picture taken last summer. http://geocities.com/southsoundcarnivores/carolinamountain.html > > thanks! > > -Homer ################### From: Cp@omnisterra.com (Ivan Snyder) Date: Tue, 1 Apr 2003 07:48:07 -0800 Subject: [CP] CP on Mars Hi all, I thought you all would like to hear about NASA's upcoming Mars mission profiles. Two sites have been selected for roving probes set to launch this May and June to land January of next year. One site chosen is the quiescent volcano Persepus. Mapping by the Mars Global Surveyor shows snow (yes, it snows on Mars) on the plain of its crater, and the THERMIS instrument found warm spots as well. It is believed there are hot springs present. The high walled crater could comprise an atmospheric trap of enough pressure for liquid water to exist. The probe to be sent here will search for water and life, but nothing more than bacteria is expected to be found. If water is found, the following mission, Xanadu, in 2005 will carry a miniature greenhouse laboratory. Using Martian materials the laboratory will test-grow algae and Sphagnum moss. I think they are sending Sphagnum since it can be stored dried, is lightweight and might grow in the acidic volcanic spring water. If the tests are positive it will be possible to terraform the city sized crater. I know from personal experience, they better clean that moss good, otherwise there will soon be CP on Mars:-) Ivan Snyder Hermosa Beach California ________________________________________________________________ Sign Up for Juno Platinum Internet Access Today Only $9.95 per month! Visit www.juno.com ################### From: Cp@omnisterra.com (Kirk Martin) Date: Tue, 01 Apr 2003 15:09:34 -0500 Subject: [CP] Cephalotus to Mars and beyond Ivan, My wife went to high school with one of the NASA Mars project managers. Perhaps he can arrange it so a Cephalotus can be the first cp to make it to Mars. Didn't want to say Nepenthes cause that might irritate those Drosera lovers out there (grin) At 12:00 PM 04/01/2003 -0800, you wrote: >To: Cp@omnisterra.com >Date: Tue, 1 Apr 2003 07:48:07 -0800 >From: Ivan Snyder >Subject: [CP] CP on Mars >Reply-To: Cp@omnisterra.com > >Hi all, >I thought you all would like to hear about NASA's upcoming Mars mission >profiles. Two sites have been selected for roving probes set to launch >this May and June to land January of next year. One site chosen is the >quiescent volcano Persepus. Mapping by the Mars Global Surveyor shows >snow (yes, it snows on Mars) on the plain of its crater, and the THERMIS >instrument found warm spots as well. It is believed there are hot springs >present. The high walled crater could comprise an atmospheric trap of >enough pressure for liquid water to exist. The probe to be sent here will >search for water and life, but nothing more than bacteria is expected to >be found. If water is found, the following mission, Xanadu, in 2005 will >carry a miniature greenhouse laboratory. Using Martian materials the >laboratory will test-grow algae and Sphagnum moss. I think they are >sending Sphagnum since it can be stored dried, is lightweight and might >grow in the acidic volcanic spring water. If the tests are positive it >will be possible to terraform the city sized crater. I know from personal >experience, they better clean that moss good, otherwise there will soon >be CP on Mars:-) >Ivan Snyder >Hermosa Beach >California ################### From: Cp@omnisterra.com (D. muscipula) Date: Tue, 1 Apr 2003 17:46:42 -0500 Subject: [CP] Re: Nepenthes lid issues Thanks for taking a look Mike. I'm afraid that my original post was a bit confusing. The photo is of a ventricosa (thanks for your id of the variety) and the alata (not the bical). The alata pitcher is the one exhibiting vestigial lid growth, while the ventricosa has full-sized lids that just happen to stay very close to the peristome. I wasn't aware that the lids could move over the course of a day or less - that's very interesting. I've not observed it with my plants. Anyway, the bical (not shown) has the same small lid problem as the alata. The leaves of the ventricosa have been narrow and yellow-cream and not dark green like the other nep leaves for as long as i've had it, but perhaps i've been underestimating the light needs of that plant. I'll try giving it more and see if that helps the pitcher problem, too. Can anybody point me to more information on this particular variety? The alata pitcher in the photo is "open" - that is, the mouth is accessible, but the lid is only about a centimeter in diameter - much smaller than the mouth - and there is no noticeable peristome development. Do insect or fungal pests deform pitchers in this manner? I saw the mineral buildup you noticed a few weeks ago and took it to be a fungal attack, but realized from the previous discussion on the list that either something is suspect with my distilled water, or that it was that way when i bought it and i just hadn't noticed before. I'll flush out the pots and see if that helps. Anybody else have this mini-lid problem before? Cheers Nathan > Subject: Re: [CP] Nepenthes lid issues > Date: Mon, 31 Mar 2003 21:00:26 -0500 > > I checked out your picture. > > The ventricosa pitcher looks fine, and shows the problem you are commenting > on. The lid on the ventricosa is normal to size verse pitcher. as for it > not opening all the way, I can only suggest that this does happen and I am > not sure why, others may have better views on this > . Maybe its a normal process in young growing plants? > I have not found it all of the time related to humidity or moisture of the > medium, though a low humidity or too dry growing medium will cause the lid > to stay nearly shut to protect moisture inside the pitcher the plant may > re-absorb in times of drought stress. In high light, and heat of the day > the pitcher lids will move very close to covering the pitcher, and then re > open towards evening or with a strong watering of the plant.. A stress > response? The ventricosa in your picture looks like the agri-starts red > variety, which is a super De Kanel plant and can take much stronger light > than your plant is getting, but heat build up without ventilation could be a > problem. Ventrciosa leaves should be thick and firm to the touch kind of > waxy, the leaf longs thin in the picture it doesn't look firm to the touch. > > The other pitcher looks ok, but doesn't look like a N. bicalcarata. It just > doesn't look it has matured to open yet. > > viewing the pot on the right (bical) it appears that there is mineral & > algae build up on the soil. As Steve Stewart mentioned a few post back this > can mean your plants are not getting enough drainage. > > Take care, > Mike > St. Petersburg Fl ################### From: Cp@omnisterra.com (D. muscipula) Date: Tue, 1 Apr 2003 17:50:46 -0500 Subject: [CP] Cephalotus to Mars and beyond The little green men on mars would probably love having little green CPs to grow, after all that red, red, red! It's just as well we don't send nepenthes - we wouldn't want to inadvertently start an interplanetary war when a little martian falls into a rajah pitcher. ----- Original Message ----- To: Sent: Tuesday, April 01, 2003 3:09 PM > Ivan, > My wife went to high school with one of the NASA Mars project > managers. Perhaps he can arrange it so a Cephalotus can be the first cp to > make it to Mars. Didn't want to say Nepenthes cause that might irritate > those Drosera lovers out there (grin) ################### From: Cp@omnisterra.com (Dave Evans) Date: Tue, 1 Apr 2003 19:05:07 -0500 Subject: [CP] Re: Nepenthes lid issues Dear Nathan, Yes! It is normal for me to see this on a _Nepenthes_ plant, now and then. I suspect there are several causes. Anything from the plants being water stressed to bugs nibbling to below optimal humidity. The pitcher shown of _N. ventricosa_ is completely normal for a lower, basal rosette pitcher. Perhaps the moving lids are the result of water uptake while the leaves blades are receiving a lot of light, causing them to transpire a greater rate, decreasing the internal pressure of the lid? I have not noticed this on my plants either... Dave Evans New Jersey, USA www.dangerousplants.com ----- Original Message ----- To: Sent: Tuesday, April 01, 2003 5:46 PM > Thanks for taking a look Mike. I'm afraid that my original post was a bit confusing. The photo is > of a ventricosa (thanks for your id of the variety) and the alata (not the bical). The alata > pitcher is the one exhibiting vestigial lid growth, while the ventricosa has full-sized lids that > just happen to stay very close to the peristome. I wasn't aware that the lids could move over the > course of a day or less - that's very interesting. I've not observed it with my plants. ################### From: Cp@omnisterra.com (Gary Kong) Date: Tue, 01 Apr 2003 21:51:29 -0500 Subject: [CP] Re: Nepenthes lid issues i have an alata that is producing one right now. this has happened in the past and usually following stress of some sort. usually transplanting. this latest one i'm chalking up to a partial pruning. the subsequent pitchers develop normally. in fact, the same alata is on the way to producing many normal ones as i type. gary kong "D. muscipula" wrote: >Thanks for taking a look Mike. I'm afraid that my original post was a bit confusing. The photo is >of a ventricosa (thanks for your id of the variety) and the alata (not the bical). The alata >pitcher is the one exhibiting vestigial lid growth, while the ventricosa has full-sized lids that >just happen to stay very close to the peristome. I wasn't aware that the lids could move over the >course of a day or less - that's very interesting. I've not observed it with my plants. > >Anyway, the bical (not shown) has the same small lid problem as the alata. > >The leaves of the ventricosa have been narrow and yellow-cream and not dark green like the other nep >leaves for as long as i've had it, but perhaps i've been underestimating the light needs of that >plant. I'll try giving it more and see if that helps the pitcher problem, too. Can anybody point >me to more information on this particular variety? > >The alata pitcher in the photo is "open" - that is, the mouth is accessible, but the lid is only >about a centimeter in diameter - much smaller than the mouth - and there is no noticeable peristome >development. Do insect or fungal pests deform pitchers in this manner? I saw the mineral buildup >you noticed a few weeks ago and took it to be a fungal attack, but realized from the previous >discussion on the list that either something is suspect with my distilled water, or that it was that >way when i bought it and i just hadn't noticed before. I'll flush out the pots and see if that >helps. > >Anybody else have this mini-lid problem before? > >Cheers >Nathan > >> Subject: Re: [CP] Nepenthes lid issues >> Date: Mon, 31 Mar 2003 21:00:26 -0500 >> >> I checked out your picture. >> >> The ventricosa pitcher looks fine, and shows the problem you are commenting >> on. The lid on the ventricosa is normal to size verse pitcher. as for it >> not opening all the way, I can only suggest that this does happen and I am >> not sure why, others may have better views on this >> . Maybe its a normal process in young growing plants? >> I have not found it all of the time related to humidity or moisture of the >> medium, though a low humidity or too dry growing medium will cause the lid >> to stay nearly shut to protect moisture inside the pitcher the plant may >> re-absorb in times of drought stress. In high light, and heat of the day >> the pitcher lids will move very close to covering the pitcher, and then re >> open towards evening or with a strong watering of the plant.. A stress >> response? The ventricosa in your picture looks like the agri-starts red >> variety, which is a super De Kanel plant and can take much stronger light >> than your plant is getting, but heat build up without ventilation could be a >> problem. Ventrciosa leaves should be thick and firm to the touch kind of >> waxy, the leaf longs thin in the picture it doesn't look firm to the touch. >> >> The other pitcher looks ok, but doesn't look like a N. bicalcarata. It just >> doesn't look it has matured to open yet. >> >> viewing the pot on the right (bical) it appears that there is mineral & >> algae build up on the soil. As Steve Stewart mentioned a few post back this >> can mean your plants are not getting enough drainage. >> >> Take care, >> Mike >> St. Petersburg Fl > >_______________________________________________ >Cp mailing list >Cp@omnisterra.com >http://omnisterra.com/mailman/listinfo/cp_omnisterra.com > -- San Francisco, CA World Leader Pretend: http://www.foulds2000.freeserve.co.uk/bushv5.htm __________________________________________________________________ Try AOL and get 1045 hours FREE for 45 days! http://free.aol.com/tryaolfree/index.adp?375380 Get AOL Instant Messenger 5.1 for FREE! Download Now! http://aim.aol.com/aimnew/Aim/register.adp?promo=380455 ################### From: Cp@omnisterra.com (Andrew Gibbons) Date: Wed, 02 Apr 2003 15:50:02 +1000 Subject: [CP] snail pellets Has anyone used those chelated iron snail and slug pellets on their cp pots? I've tended to shy away from putting metaldehyde based pellets directly on my pots but I was wondering if the small amounts of chelated iron released from these newer pellets would have any detrimental effects. Has anyone noticed any problems caused by using them? Andrew ################### From: Cp@omnisterra.com (David Ahrens) Date: Wed, 02 Apr 2003 07:30:13 +0000 Subject: [CP] Water When I had a greenhouse, I used to treat tap water with sulpuric (sulfuric) acid to take the pH to about 5.5. Despite all the discussions about water chemistry and people say it shouldn't work, it does work with CP's. I only used this treated water in summer and you have to repot the plants every two or three years because of the buildup in salts. It does work though. Regards, David Ahrens, London. _________________________________________________________________ Get Hotmail on your mobile phone http://www.msn.co.uk/mobile ################### From: Cp@omnisterra.com (Gary Collins) Date: Wed, 02 Apr 2003 08:34:49 +0100 Subject: [CP] another newcomer Hi, I've been lurking for some time now and have learned a lot. My recent interest in CP began last year when I was walking past a store near my home and noticed that they were selling novelty cp seed packs. I bought a few, they were extremely cheap, but haven't had much luck with germination - I think maybe most lost their viability as a result of not being stored in appropriate conditions. However, I do have about 5 seedling VFTs which seem to be coming along nicely. Which brings me to my reason for posting. I remember reading somewhere that when growing Sarracenia from seed, good results are to be had by skipping their dormancy for the first year only - this apparently leads to the plants maturing more rapidly with no adverse effect. My question is, is this true for Sarracenia only, or does it extend to other CPs? I am particularly keen to know the answer for VFTs of course, but also for any other CP: is it true for any Drosera, or pinguicula? Preferably I would like to hear from anyone with first hand experience, i.e. who has actually tried for themselves, rather than standard textbook answers. If no-one knows, perhaps I'll try it with a couple of plants myself and find out. I intend as much as possible to grow from seed - more sense of achievement. However, I couldn't resist purchasing a couple of VFTs from a garden centre last Autumn. They seem to be healthy and strong, so I guess I must be doing something right. I'm growing everything under artificial light, as I don't get a lot of sun in my flat. One of them seems just about to flower. have read the textbook stuff about cutting it off, but having followed the thread a little while back, decided that I'll let it flower and see what happens. I hope I'll get some seed. Do I remember correctly that they can be self-pollinated? Thanks, /Gary "By tying up the weak case for a young earth in the same package as the strong case for creation, recent-creationists are almost asking to be defeated." -- Alan Hayward, "Creation and Evolution: The Facts and Fallacies," p.81 ################### From: Cp@omnisterra.com (Steve LaWarre) Date: Wed, 2 Apr 2003 08:46:31 -0500 Subject: [CP] snail pellets I have used the Iron Phosphate pellets that go by the brand name sluggo. = They work very well for me. I have noticed no ill effect on the CP = collection. We also use them on the orchid collection with out any ill = effects. I put about 2-5 pellets per pot. Hope that helps. Steve LaWarre Grand Rapids, MI > -----Original Message----- > From: Andrew Gibbons [mailto:Andrew.Gibbons@sci.monash.edu.au] > Sent: Wednesday, April 02, 2003 12:50 AM > To: Cp@omnisterra.com > Subject: [CP] snail pellets >=20 >=20 > Has anyone used those chelated iron snail and slug pellets on=20 > their cp=20 > pots? I've tended to shy away from putting metaldehyde based pellets=20 > directly on my pots but I was wondering if the small amounts=20 > of chelated=20 > iron released from these newer pellets would have any detrimental=20 > effects. Has anyone noticed any problems caused by using them? > Andrew >=20 >=20 > _______________________________________________ > Cp mailing list > Cp@omnisterra.com > http://omnisterra.com/mailman/listinfo/cp_omnisterra.com >=20 ################### From: Cp@omnisterra.com ({USER_FIRSTNAME} {USER_LASTNAME}) Date: Wed, 2 Apr 2003 09:59:12 -0500 Subject: [CP] snail pellets I use the slug pellets with all types of cp munched on, delicate Pings are a favorite for snails/slugs, no ill effect, a little chelated iron is not a threat to acid loving plants. Mike St. Petersburg Florida ################### From: Cp@omnisterra.com (Chris Teichreb) Date: Wed, 02 Apr 2003 07:58:53 -0800 Subject: [CP] Water >When I had a greenhouse, I used to treat tap water with sulpuric (sulfuric) >acid to take the pH to about 5.5. Despite all the discussions about water >chemistry and people say it shouldn't work, it does work with CP's. I only >used this treated water in summer and you have to repot the plants every >two or three years because of the buildup in salts. It does work though. >Regards, >David Ahrens, >London. > Not surprising at all that this works. Since a lot of the dissolved minerals are probably carbonate based, addition of sulphuric acid (H2SO4) to the water results in the formation of free carbon dioxide from the carbonate and hence a reduction in hardness. CaCO3 + H2SO4 ---> Ca + SO4 + H2CO3 ---> H20 + CO2 Cheers! Chris _________________________________________________________________ MSN 8 with e-mail virus protection service: 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/virus ################### From: Cp@omnisterra.com (Philippe NAMOUR) Date: Wed, 02 Apr 2003 18:23:57 +0200 Subject: [CP] Water A 07:58 02/04/03 -0800, Chris Teichreb a =E9crit : >>When I had a greenhouse, I used to treat tap water with sulpuric=20 >>(sulfuric) acid to take the pH to about 5.5. Despite all the discussions= =20 >>about water chemistry and people say it shouldn't work, it does work with= =20 >>CP's. I only used this treated water in summer and you have to repot the= =20 >>plants every two or three years because of the buildup in salts. It does= =20 >>work though. >>Regards, >>David Ahrens, >>London. > > Not surprising at all that this works. Since a lot of the dissolved=20 > minerals are probably carbonate based, addition of sulphuric acid (H2SO4)= =20 > to the water results in the formation of free carbon dioxide from the=20 > carbonate and hence a reduction in hardness. > > CaCO3 + H2SO4 ---> Ca + SO4 + H2CO3 ---> H20 + CO2 + CaSO4, salt having a low solubility , lower than CaCO3. Philippe ################### From: Cp@omnisterra.com (John Montesi) Date: Wed, 02 Apr 2003 18:31:56 +0000 Subject: [CP] hello/growlist hello all, My current growlist is: N. ventricosa, N.xcoccinea, N. rafflesiana, VFT, S. purpurea ssp. venosa, U. gibba, D. Capensis 'Typical', P. moranensis 'G', and other non-CPs Sincerely, CPdude88 If you see me catching bugs and putting them in jars, you'll think I'm crazy! If you knew my plants ate those bugs, you'd still think I'm crazy! _________________________________________________________________ MSN 8 with e-mail virus protection service: 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/virus ################### From: Cp@omnisterra.com (Hermann Wistuba) Date: Wed, 2 Apr 2003 21:08:51 +0200 Subject: AW: [CP] Water No, CaSO4 is more soluble than CaCO3. The more soluble salt you mean is not CaCO3 but the Ca(HCO3)2, the Calciumhydrogencarbonate, this is the salt which makes the temporary hardness of the water. Greetings from Germany Hermann Wistuba -----Urspr=FCngliche Nachricht----- Von: Cp-admin@omnisterra.com [mailto:Cp-admin@omnisterra.com] Im Auftrag von Philippe NAMOUR Gesendet: Mittwoch, 2. April 2003 18:24 An: Chris Teichreb; Cp@omnisterra.com Betreff: Re: [CP] Water A 07:58 02/04/03 -0800, Chris Teichreb a =E9crit : >>When I had a greenhouse, I used to treat tap water with sulpuric >>(sulfuric) acid to take the pH to about 5.5. Despite all the discussions=20 >>about water chemistry and people say it shouldn't work, it does work with=20 >>CP's. I only used this treated water in summer and you have to repot the=20 >>plants every two or three years because of the buildup in salts. It does=20 >>work though. >>Regards, >>David Ahrens, >>London. > > Not surprising at all that this works. Since a lot of the dissolved > minerals are probably carbonate based, addition of sulphuric acid (H2SO4)=20 > to the water results in the formation of free carbon dioxide from the=20 > carbonate and hence a reduction in hardness. > > CaCO3 + H2SO4 ---> Ca + SO4 + H2CO3 ---> H20 + CO2 + CaSO4, salt having a low solubility , lower than CaCO3. Philippe _______________________________________________ Cp mailing list Cp@omnisterra.com http://omnisterra.com/mailman/listinfo/cp_omnisterra.com ################### From: Cp@omnisterra.com (Robert Ziemer) Date: Wed, 02 Apr 2003 12:25:22 -0800 Subject: [CP] re: another newcomer VFT can be self-pollinated, but I find better success by using different flowers because the pollen ripens a bit before the stigma is receptive. If you have two flowers that open several days apart, simply rub the anthers from the most recent flower on the stigma of the older flower. If you watch carefully, you can see the flower parts develop and ripen. Yellow pollen will readily stick to a receptive stigma. A good description is found at http://www.sarracenia.com/faq/faq2480.html -Bob- Gary Collins wrote: > One of them seems just about to flower. I have read the textbook > stuff about cutting it off, but having followed the thread a little > while back, decided that I'll let it flower and see what happens. I > hope I'll get some seed. Do I remember correctly that they can be > self-pollinated? ################### From: Cp@omnisterra.com (Dave Meyer) Date: Wed, 2 Apr 2003 15:54:48 -0500 Subject: [CP] Re: Cp digest, Vol 1 #34 - 12 msgs Barry, Thank you for the suggstion of David Crump. I have purchased from in the past and did see him when I was down in NC the last time. I do not think we will be going near Charlotte this time. Last time I was down I also had stopped by UNC-Chapel Hill and UNC-Charlotte. While visiting the Greenhouses, Dr. Mellichamp said that there were a couple of folks near Asheville that had some very nice collections, but he did not give me any names. Thanks Dave ----- Original Message ----- Message: 4 To: Cp@omnisterra.com Reply-To: Cp@omnisterra.com Hey Dave, Regarding a place to buy plants. Try Carolina Carnivorous Gardens. David Crump runs that out of Charlotte, NC. I don't have contact information on me now---but he advertises regularly in CPN. Cheers Barry > Two years ago I was in the Eastern area of NC and had a great tour = > of the Green Swamp by Frank Galloway. I do hope to get back over that = > way and learn more from him! > > I am also looking for some places in the same area where I would be = > able to purchase some plants. > > Thanks > Dave Meyer ------------------------ Barry A. Rice, Ph.D. Carnivorous Plant Newsletter Conservation Coeditor barry@carnivorousplants.org http://www.carnivorousplants.org ################### From: Cp@omnisterra.com (Cp@omnisterra.com) Date: Wed, 02 Apr 2003 20:14:55 -0500 Subject: [CP] Snails and Slugs The best way to get rid of snails and slugs is to leave out saucers with beer. The snails and slugs love beer, but it is a deadly treat for them, after drinking they drop dead. Its a good way to rid your CPs of these nasty pests, not having to worry about the effects of chemicals on CPs, and you can have a drink yourself :o) ~Christine & Lucy the Giant Schnauzer http://www.geocities.com/lucythegiantschnauzer Liefhond's Smoky Mountain Hi TT ################### From: Cp@omnisterra.com (Ron Baalke) Date: Wed, 2 Apr 2003 17:50:41 -0800 (PST) Subject: [CP] CP on Mars >I thought you all would like to hear about NASA's upcoming Mars mission >profiles. Two sites have been selected for roving probes set to launch >this May and June to land January of next year. One site chosen is the >quiescent volcano Persepus. Mapping by the Mars Global Surveyor shows >snow (yes, it snows on Mars) on the plain of its crater, and the THERMIS >instrument found warm spots as well. It is believed there are hot springs >present. I work in the Mars program. The two most likely landing sites for the rovers are Meridiani Planum and Gusev Crater. Though one of the goals for the THEMIS instrument onboard Mars Global Surveyor is to find possible hot spots which may be indications of thermal activitiy, to date it has not found any yet. Also, Mars Global Surveyor has found evidence of water on Mars, but only at the poles, and it is frozen in the ground. The rovers are constrained to land in the equatorial regions of Mars. >The high walled crater could comprise an atmospheric trap of >enough pressure for liquid water to exist. The probe to be sent here will >search for water and life, but nothing more than bacteria is expected to >be found. Discovering liquid water or life on Mars would be a MAJOR discovery, but we don't expect to find either with the rover missions. The science goals of the two rovers are heavily geology-oriented, and they do not carry any life-detection instruments. Even though we don't expect to find any liquid water at either of the landing sites, it is possible frozen ice in the ground may be found. >If water is found, the following mission, Xanadu, in 2005 will >carry a miniature greenhouse laboratory. Using Martian materials the >laboratory will test-grow algae and Sphagnum moss. There were several proposals submitted for the Mars Scout program, which will launch one mission to Mars in 2007. There were about 16 proposals submitted, and four semi-finalists were selected. The final winner will be selected later this year. I believe there was a proposal involving a greenhouse, but it did not make the final cut and is no longer in the running. Also, there are strict planetary protection in place, and any spacecraft sent to Mars have to be sterilized, so that there is no accidental seeding of any Earth germs on Mars. I mentioned before that a carnivrous plant would probably not be a good candidate to send to Mars. Mars is extremely cold and dry. Any plant to survive on Mars would have to be drought and cold tolerant, something that most CP's are not. If you want to know more about the Mars rovers, see our website here: http://mars.jpl.nasa.gov/mer The rovers are already at Kennedy Space Center being prepared for launch, and you can view a live webcam here (under channel 3): http://science.ksc.nasa.gov/shuttle/countdown/video/ Also, new THEMIS images (released daily) from Mars Global Surveyor are located here: http://themis.la.asu.edu/latest.html Ron Baalke ################### From: Cp@omnisterra.com (John Green) Date: Wed, 2 Apr 2003 20:15:03 -0800 Subject: [CP] another newcomer > From: "Gary Collins" > Which brings me to my reason for posting. I remember reading > somewhere that when growing Sarracenia from seed, good > results are to be had by skipping their dormancy for the first > year only - this apparently leads to the plants maturing more > rapidly with no adverse effect. My question is, is this true for > Sarracenia only, or does it extend to other CPs? I am particularly > keen to know the answer for VFTs of course, but also for any > other CP: is it true for any Drosera, or pinguicula? Preferably I > would like to hear from anyone with first hand experience, i.e. > who has actually tried for themselves, rather than standard > textbook answers. If no-one knows, perhaps I'll try it with a > couple of plants myself and find out. Hi Gary, welcome to the list. The excellent "cultivation" section on the Niagara Exotics website (http://www.niagaraexotics.com/) suggests growing Sarracenia from seed without dormancy as you've mentioned. I've only followed this advice with Sarracenia - with good results. But I would expect that it would be just as effective with VFTs, although not as much with temperate Drosera and Pinguicula. The reason I say this is that both Sarrs and VFTs have longer periods to maturity (for most of us, anyway), whereas Drosera and Pings seem to flower much sooner - usually the first year if I'm not mistaken. This is all just conjecture on my part of course, but it seems logical to me. But by all means give it a try and let us know how it works. John Green West Hills, California http://www.cc.utah.edu/~jsg16/cp.htm "It is even harder for the average ape to believe that he has descended from man." -- H. L. Mencken ################### From: Cp@omnisterra.com (Cp@omnisterra.com) Date: Wed, 02 Apr 2003 23:35:41 -0500 Subject: [CP] re: nep lids Nathan, I have found that immature pitchers of the ventricosa 'red' variety do not tend to open high above the mouth. Instead, they seem to like to do exactly what they are doing on your plant, which is stay low to the mouth, floppy and thin. On mature upper pitchers, the lid will be displayed more attractively. No worries, Calen. ################### From: Cp@omnisterra.com (Philippe NAMOUR) Date: Thu, 03 Apr 2003 07:43:38 +0200 Subject: AW: [CP] Water A 21:08 02/04/03 +0200, Hermann Wistuba a =E9crit : >No, >CaSO4 is more soluble than CaCO3. The more soluble salt you mean is not >CaCO3 but the Ca(HCO3)2, Hello Hermann Yes, it's right, CaCO3 is a stone and little concerned with our problem=20 (tap water) >the Calciumhydrogencarbonate, this is the salt which makes the temporary >hardness of the water. Yes Philippe from Lyon ################### From: Cp@omnisterra.com (joan anton escuder) Date: Thu, 3 Apr 2003 02:32:55 -0800 (PST) Subject: [CP] Drosophyllum lusitanicum seeds Hello, Does anybody know where I can get some Drosophyllum seeds? I have read that it is an easy plant to grow in Mediterranean climates but I have no idea where to buy seeds (or plants). Thank you. Juan A. Escuder Barcelona Spain __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - File online, calculators, forms, and more http://tax.yahoo.com ################### From: Cp@omnisterra.com (Cp@omnisterra.com) Date: Thu, 03 Apr 2003 13:55:48 -0500 Subject: [CP] Water Hardness Water hardness is due to the Calcium, not the carbonate. Calcium Sulfate is still hardness but it is more soluable and probably rinses out as quickly as it comes in. Calcium carbonate hardness is normally really calcium bicarbonate when it comes in with the water. This compound is metastable, when the excess carbon dioxide off-gasses from the water, only calcium carbonate remains. And because bicarbonate is very soluable and carbonate is not....you suddenly have a super-saturated solution, with much of the carbonate precipitating out. Rainwater, distilled and RO are still best..... DW __________________________________________________________________ Try AOL and get 1045 hours FREE for 45 days! http://free.aol.com/tryaolfree/index.adp?375380 Get AOL Instant Messenger 5.1 for FREE! Download Now! http://aim.aol.com/aimnew/Aim/register.adp?promo=380455 ################### From: Cp@omnisterra.com (Sundew) Date: Thu, 3 Apr 2003 21:22:04 -0500 Subject: [CP] Rare CP SALE / Important Announcement (Good Cause!) Hi friends, Now that the weather is warm enough to ship plants, and now that I am totally out of room, it is time for ANOTHER PLANT SALE! Here is what I hope to offer very shortly: Drosera (many rare and exciting tropical / subtropical) Genlisea Heliamphora Nepenthes rajah I usually insist on US orders only, but this time I MIGHT (no promises yet!!!!) be able to ship 1 large package to a friend for distribution to European countries, so if you are from Europe and are interested please let me know. If I am going to have to go through the trouble of getting Phyto certificates at the airport, then I suppose anyone from other countries who might be interested in a lot of stuff can let me know as well, and if it's practical perhaps I will ship there... IMPORTANT ANNOUNCEMENT: Here is what separates this and hopefully future sales from other sales: As CP growers, we are extremely lucky to have such a large selection of plants available to us. But where do all these plants come from? Few people realize the time, effort, risk, expense and other difficulties often involved in collecting new plant material for scientific study or cultivation. It's easy to take for granted that which is practically handed to us. Even if we pay a significant amount of money for a rare plant which few other people are growing, we seldom acknowledge those sometimes selfless and almost always dedicated people who are responsible for giving us the opportunity to acquire that plant in the first place. Our good friend Fernando has been travelling throughout South America in an effort to study Drosera and other carnivorous plants. He is one of a small group of people who has made a tremendous contribution to CP enthusiasts everywhere, as is evident from his frequent articles in CPN and many other publications. The website he and fellow Brazilian CPer Marcelo created is an invaluable resource to anyone interested in South American CPs. (http://www.mcef.ep.usp.br/carnivoras/) Before this effort, much of this information was unavailable. Fernando is an extremely generous person - he has never accepted money for any of his efforts and has spent quite a considerable amount of it for the good of us all! I don't think it's fair that he and others should be expected to absorb such great expenses. Have you ever calculated how much it costs to take a week long car trip through the Brazilian wilderness on rough roads which would ruin most cars? Did you know that you have to rent a helicopter in order to get to many of the Tepuis habitats of South American Drosera and Heliamphora? The typical cost of this is $800 US per hour! Needless to say, this is only for ONE HOUR and certainly doesn't include the cost of supplies or getting to that region in the first place! I have extra material of several new and exciting South American plants which I feel deserve a place in everyone's collections as they are some of the most beautiful CP I have had the pleasure of growing. Nearly all of the proceeds of my past sales have gone towards the expensive upkeep of my specialized collection and have also helped fund the acquisition and distribution of new material. I have decided that, this time around, roughly 25% of the sales of S.American plants will go to Fernando to help offset the costs of his field work. I feel that this would give others the opportunity to donate and contribute to what I believe is an excellent cause, while at the same time allowing growers to acquire some gorgeous new plant varieties! Plant sales are certainly not big money for me as quantities are limited as is actual demand, but every little bit counts, so please consider this offer. I plan to get involved in similar fund raising activities in the future. If you have any opinions on this matter, please email me privately. Of course, If you would like a list of plants, please email me privately as well and I will send you a sale list as soon as it is ready. Thanks, Matt -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= -=-=-= SundewMatt: Carnivorous Plant Grower Since 1984 DEDICATED TO THE CULTIVATION AND PRESERVATION OF DROSERA I am always looking for new contacts living in or travelling to Africa, South America or other tropical / subtropical places. Please visit my website at http://www.sundewgrower.com -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= -=-=-= ################### From: Cp@omnisterra.com (David Ahrens) Date: Fri, 04 Apr 2003 07:37:59 +0000 Subject: [CP] Slugs and snails Do you mean that your rather weak American beer actually kills the slugs ?, and does it have to warm up after coming out of the fridge ? :) Regards, David Ahrens, London. _________________________________________________________________ Hotmail messages direct to your mobile phone http://www.msn.co.uk/mobile ################### From: Cp@omnisterra.com (Rand Nicholson) Date: Fri, 4 Apr 2003 09:17:40 -0400 Subject: [CP] Slugs and snails David: In my experience, although not physically harming the slugs, American beer does make them scurry for their privies, thus bringing them out in the open and making them vulnerable to predators and mallets. Our Canadian beer, especially _Moosehead lager_, unfortunately, causes them to throw loud, noisy parties in the wee hours before they collapse from exhaustion and debilitation. Of course, warm beer is optional in Canada as we are visited regularly by more southern Americans and the British. Best Regards, Rand Nicholson zone 5b Maritime Canada >Do you mean that your rather weak American beer actually kills the >slugs ?, and does it have to warm up after coming out of the fridge ? >:) >Regards, >David Ahrens, >London. ################### From: Cp@omnisterra.com (Massey, Oliver) Date: Fri, 4 Apr 2003 09:47:17 -0500 Subject: [CP] RE: a little off topic - well okay, way off topic Sorry for the off topic question, but real info is hard to come by. I have a trip planned to Toronto next week, - a five day conference where I am presenting. Anyone from the area have any info on SARS and travel etc? Tom in Fl. ################### From: Cp@omnisterra.com (Travis Wyman) Date: Fri, 04 Apr 2003 11:01:16 -0500 Subject: [CP] RE: a little off topic - well okay, way off topic I'd suggest checking the CDC and WHO websites. Maybe NIH too. I do not recall hearing anything about travel restrictions but that does not mean there are none. Mode of transmission seems to be close contact so avoid anyone with the disease and stay out of the hospitals. Travis Travis H. Wyman Genetics and Molecular Biology Emory University twyman@emory.edu >From: "Massey, Oliver" > >presenting. Anyone from the area have any info on SARS and travel etc? _________________________________________________________________ ################### From: Cp@omnisterra.com (Cp@omnisterra.com) Date: Fri, 4 Apr 2003 11:03:05 -0500 Subject: [CP] Rare CP SALE / Important Announcement (Good Cause!) Hi everyone, A friend sent an email expressing his concern over the announcement I just made. I wanted to make a few things VERY clear: 1. I do not deal with plants on CITIES. The only exception are the N.rajah seedlings (from tissue culture) which I am planning on offering soon - I received more plants than I can use from my source who surely had any and all necessary permits to have these plants in vitro! I suppose I should have realized this sooner, but if there are restrictions shipping this material to Europe, then I will not ship them there. I still am not sure if I will ship ANY plants to Europe yet anyway. Also, if there are restrictions shipping them across state lines, then I will only distribute them within my state. And if there are restrictions shipping them at all, then I will flush them down the toilet to make room for more precious Drosera (kidding!). If anyone knows more about restrictions regarding these plants, please let me know. I have no plans to break the law. Especially for a lousy Nepenthes! Ha! :) 2. I am very conservation minded and feel that any field collection done should have as minimal an impact on a population as possible. I think my beliefs in this respect are similar to those laid out by the ICPS. Furthermore, I typically only accept seed from others as I do not wish to introduce pests or diseases into my collection. 3. I feel it is necessary to point out (though I am sure I have made this point many times in the past) that many countries would sooner drive a population of plants to extinction than make an effort to protect it in habitat or even, if that's not possible, in a botanical garden. For this reason, I feel it is my duty, and the duty of other serious growers, to preserve plants in cultivation. We need to do what we can to get them NOW as they might not be available later! Anyone got any D.katangensis? bequaertii? humbertii? elongata? :) Thanks, Matt -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= -=-=-= SundewMatt: Carnivorous Plant Grower Since 1984 DEDICATED TO THE CULTIVATION AND PRESERVATION OF DROSERA I am always looking for new contacts living in or travelling to Africa, South America or other tropical / subtropical places. Please visit my website at http://www.sundewgrower.com -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= -=-=-= ################### From: Cp@omnisterra.com (Sundew) Date: Fri, 4 Apr 2003 14:37:04 -0500 Subject: [CP] New Japanese CP Book !! By coincidence, I just found out about a new CP book. Has anyone else posted about this (have I been sleeping)? It's from Japan, but it's mostly photos, and beautiful ones at that, as are evident from the website's awesome American CP pics. Looky here: http://www.honda-e.com/ And then here - I wonder how he got the insect to take this photo :) http://www.honda-e.com/Photo/Ph1_033.htm Anyone have this book yet? Matt -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= -=-=-= SundewMatt: Carnivorous Plant Grower Since 1984 DEDICATED TO THE CULTIVATION AND PRESERVATION OF DROSERA I am always looking for new contacts living in or travelling to Africa, South America or other tropical / subtropical places. Please visit my website at http://www.sundewgrower.com -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= -=-=-= ################### From: Cp@omnisterra.com (Cp@omnisterra.com) Date: Fri, 04 Apr 2003 15:44:33 -0500 Subject: [CP] Re: Snails and Slugs In a message dated 4/4/2003 3:00:02 PM Eastern Standard Time, Cp-request@omnisterra.com writes: > Do you mean that your rather weak American beer actually > kills the slugs ?, > and does it have to warm up after coming out of the fridge ? > :) > Regards, > David Ahrens, > London. Oh yeah! The cheap stuff for the snails and slugs, they don't care, all they know is "We like beer!" And they don't seem to care what temperature it is either, but the beer will have warmed up by the time they get to it tho ;o) I on the other hand will only drink Molson Canadian. :o) ~Christine & Lucy the Giant Schnauzer http://www.geocities.com/lucythegiantschnauzer Liefhond's Smoky Mountain Hi TT ################### From: Cp@omnisterra.com (Trent Meeks) Date: Fri, 04 Apr 2003 21:23:13 +0000 Subject: [CP] N. sanguinea from Antarabangsa Hi everyone, Supposedly this is a lowland form of N. sanguinea found in a region of hills, about 300 m elevation. It's in Charles Clarke's book. Anyone have more details, ie., size, colorations, growing habit? Is it in cultivation? Thanks, Trent Meeks Boca Raton, Florida _________________________________________________________________ The new MSN 8: advanced junk mail protection and 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail ################### From: Cp@omnisterra.com (Phil Faulisi) Date: Fri, 4 Apr 2003 16:39:49 -0800 (PST) Subject: [CP] Plant sale Hi folks, I am having a spring sale also. Please email me privately for a listing of some super stuff. Some of the items listed are divsions of my best Sarracenia breeders, new Sarracenia hybrids I have created that will really stir things up, some pings and my first release of some very huge venus flytrap bulbs. Items are very limited, especially the biggest flytraps. Take care all. Phil Faulisi ################### From: Cp@omnisterra.com (Cp@omnisterra.com) Date: Sat, 5 Apr 2003 00:17:16 EST Subject: [CP] Re: Hawk flies to SE-US in early June, thoughts Help, Am planning a trip into N-FL , AL, NC areas in early-mid June this year. Do our well traveled-members have any insights/can't miss sights about the SE at the particular time of year. Thanks, Hawk ################### From: Cp@omnisterra.com (Richard Myers) Date: Fri, 4 Apr 2003 23:12:26 -0800 (PST) Subject: [CP] Listing of available plants and price Phil, Please send my your list, so that I may have my choice pick! Richard Myers __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - File online, calculators, forms, and more http://tax.yahoo.com ################### From: Cp@omnisterra.com (Jean De Witte) Date: 05 Apr 2003 11:09:10 +0200 Subject: [CP] Search Hi List, I am trying to get in contact with Phill Mann. Anybody out there who can help? Thanks, Jean -- Jean De Witte mailto:jean@jeandewitte.de http://www.jeandewitte.de ################### From: Cp@omnisterra.com (Steve LaWarre) Date: Sat, 5 Apr 2003 09:40:47 -0500 Subject: [CP] Plant sale You know I want a list!!! Steve LaWarre > -----Original Message----- > From: Phil Faulisi [mailto:Philcula@webtv.net] > Sent: Friday, April 04, 2003 7:40 PM > To: Cp@omnisterra.com > Subject: [CP] Plant sale >=20 >=20 > Hi folks, >=20 > I am having a spring sale also. Please email me privately for=20 > a listing > of some super stuff. Some of the items listed are divsions of my best > Sarracenia breeders, new Sarracenia hybrids I have created that will > really stir things up, some pings and my first release of=20 > some very huge > venus flytrap bulbs. Items are very limited, especially the biggest > flytraps.=20 > Take care all. >=20 > Phil Faulisi >=20 >=20 > _______________________________________________ > Cp mailing list > Cp@omnisterra.com > http://omnisterra.com/mailman/listinfo/cp_omnisterra.com >=20 ################### From: Cp@omnisterra.com (Frank Galloway) Date: Sat, 05 Apr 2003 15:17:09 -0500 Subject: [CP] Plant Sale Phil: I saw your posting on the CP NewsletteR site in regard to selling Cp's. Can you send me a list of what you have - I am interested in Sarracenia and hybrids. Frank Galloway Southeastern, NC ################### From: Cp@omnisterra.com (marcello catalano) Date: Sun, 6 Apr 2003 10:06:50 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [CP] Nepenthes in Indochina Hi everybody, Indochina is an old term that indicates the Countries of Burma, Thailand, Cambodia, Laos and Vietnam. I'm quite interested in the Nepenthes species coming from that area. That's because not many things are known about them. That means that many people probably made identification mistakes with the plants they saw or they grew from those areas in the past. But that also means that many new things could be better understood and discovered in the future. Which N. species have been ever found in Indochina? >From which countries exactly? When and by whom? What they look like? If you can help or have any link to send me to help my researches, I'd be very grateful... Thanks, Marcello Catalano __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - File online, calculators, forms, and more http://tax.yahoo.com ################### From: Cp@omnisterra.com (Ivan Snyder) Date: Sun, 6 Apr 2003 10:31:04 -0700 Subject: [CP] Los Angeles CP Society Meeting Hi all, The April 19th meeting will be held at the Cal State Fullerton CP greenhouses. Leo Song who is retiring this Summer will be our host. This may be your last opportunity to see the most fantastic CP collection in Southern California. Bring a camera. We will meet starting at about 10:30 to about 1:00. The greenhouses are located on the southwest corner under the water tower, not to be confused with the Arboretum at the opposite end of the campus. See our web site for more details and directions: www.geocites.com/lacps Parking is free on Saturday. T-shirts may be available. See you all there, Ivan Snyder Hermosa Beach California ________________________________________________________________ Sign Up for Juno Platinum Internet Access Today Only $9.95 per month! Visit www.juno.com ################### From: Cp@omnisterra.com (Ivan Snyder) Date: Sun, 6 Apr 2003 11:16:44 -0700 Subject: [CP] LACPS T-shirts Hi all, I just got confirmation that the T-shirts will be available at the meeting Saturday the 19th. The design is a caricature of Barry Meyers-Rice about to have his head bitten off by a gigantic flytrap. Hope you don't mind Barry:-) Ivan ________________________________________________________________ Sign Up for Juno Platinum Internet Access Today Only $9.95 per month! Visit www.juno.com ################### From: Cp@omnisterra.com (Phil Faulisi) Date: Sun, 6 Apr 2003 15:47:45 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [CP] Need ID help Hi folks, Is there any one out there who can ID these strange growths on my Nepenthes stenophylla? They seem to develop on the pitcher exterior, tendrils and leaf margins and axils. They are not scale or any insect that I can tell. I have already examined them under a microscope at 1000 power magnification. They do not affect the plant in any way, nor do the ants that this plant loves...feed on these things. I have never noticed these on any other Nepenthes species in my collection and was curious what these may be. If it were not for the very steady hand of my friend Chuck Rossi, these photos would not exist. Can anyone help? Jan, Barry?? Thanks. Phil Faulisi ################### From: Cp@omnisterra.com (Phil Faulisi) Date: Sun, 6 Apr 2003 17:07:21 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [CP] Id help I guess it would help if I gave you the link to the photos :) http://www.silviar.com/phil/ Click on the first three photos: dscn1855, 1856 and 1857. Thanks. Phil Faulisi ################### From: Cp@omnisterra.com ({USER_FIRSTNAME} {USER_LASTNAME}) Date: Sun, 6 Apr 2003 21:01:27 -0400 Subject: [CP] Need ID help Phil, I can't help as I am often considered a strange growth from my beloved Mother. But I too have a very strange growth from a Nepenthes currently. I have pictures to prove it. This is a N. khasiana with a leaf that looks life a oak leaf, it has multi points on it and every point (5) has a tendril swinging out to develop a pitcher. It looks like at lest 3 are going to develop pitchers, very strange from one leaf. Where is the boogey man???? After I watched jeepers-n-creepers I am very scared as that was filmed in Florida, this area. Mike St. Petersburg Florida ----- Original Message ----- To: Sent: Sunday, April 06, 2003 6:47 PM > Hi folks, > > Is there any one out there who can ID these strange growths on my > Nepenthes stenophylla? They seem to develop on the pitcher exterior, > tendrils and leaf margins and axils. They are not scale or any insect > that I can tell. I have already examined them under a microscope at 1000 > power magnification. They do not affect the plant in any way, nor do the > ants that this plant loves...feed on these things. I have never noticed > these on any other Nepenthes species in my collection and was curious > what these may be. If it were not for the very steady hand of my friend > Chuck Rossi, these photos would not exist. Can anyone help? Jan, Barry?? > Thanks. > > Phil Faulisi > > > _______________________________________________ > Cp mailing list > Cp@omnisterra.com > http://omnisterra.com/mailman/listinfo/cp_omnisterra.com ################### From: Cp@omnisterra.com (Douglas Bertelsen) Date: Wed, 9 Apr 2003 22:00:55 -0500 Subject: [CP] Need ID help Phil, I know that a couple of my nepenthes often ooze sap/nectar along the tendril and on the pitcher exterior. These have a tendancy to dry out into small scale or droplet shapes. Doug ----- Original Message ----- To: Sent: Sunday, April 06, 2003 5:47 PM > Hi folks, > > Is there any one out there who can ID these strange growths on my > Nepenthes stenophylla? They seem to develop on the pitcher exterior, > tendrils and leaf margins and axils. They are not scale or any insect > that I can tell. I have already examined them under a microscope at 1000 > power magnification. They do not affect the plant in any way, nor do the > ants that this plant loves...feed on these things. I have never noticed > these on any other Nepenthes species in my collection and was curious > what these may be. If it were not for the very steady hand of my friend > Chuck Rossi, these photos would not exist. Can anyone help? Jan, Barry?? > Thanks. > > Phil Faulisi > > > _______________________________________________ > Cp mailing list > Cp@omnisterra.com > http://omnisterra.com/mailman/listinfo/cp_omnisterra.com > > ################### From: Cp@omnisterra.com (Chris Teichreb) Date: Mon, 07 Apr 2003 08:34:04 -0700 Subject: [CP] VCPC meeting Hello everyone, My first two posting attempts failed. Hopefully this is not repeating what was already said! We (the Vancouver Carnivorous Plant Club) are holding our first show and sale of 2003 this Sunday (April 13th). All the details are available at http://www.geocities.com/vcpc2000. Please feel to drop by if you're in the Vancouver area. Keep in mind that the Vancouver Sun Run is also this Sunday, so the Lion's Gate Bridge will be closed in the morning (only affects those coming from the north). Cheers! Chris -- Chris Teichreb http://www.geocities.com/VCPC2000 (Vancouver Carnivorous Plant Club) _________________________________________________________________ STOP MORE SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail ################### From: Cp@omnisterra.com (Dionaea Muscipula) Date: Mon, 07 Apr 2003 11:46:58 -0400 Subject: [CP] Rare CP SALE / Important Announcement (Good Cause!) Hi Matt, My mail account has been down for a day or two, so if you sent a response to my last message or more info on the sale, i didn't get it. Apologies. Did you find the info on fluorescents helpful/interesting? I've done a lot of reading online lately on lighting because of setting up an aquarium a few months ago, and now artificially lighting my CPs. Cheers Nathan _________________________________________________________________ Add photos to your e-mail with MSN 8. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/featuredemail ################### From: Cp@omnisterra.com (Barry A. Rice) Date: Mon, 7 Apr 2003 09:27:04 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [CP] Is that me? Hi Ivan, The graphic you sent to me is low quality, so I can't be a judge of the details. But I *can* tell you didn't quite get my huge, burly muscles right. > I just got confirmation that the T-shirts will be available at the > meeting Saturday the 19th. The design is a caricature of Barry > Meyers-Rice about to have his head bitten off by a gigantic flytrap. Hope > you don't mind Barry:-) > Ivan ------------------------ Barry A. Rice, Ph.D. Carnivorous Plant Newsletter Conservation Coeditor barry@carnivorousplants.org http://www.carnivorousplants.org ################### From: Cp@omnisterra.com (D. muscipula) Date: Mon, 7 Apr 2003 14:34:10 -0400 Subject: [CP] Need ID help Phil I don't know what they are, but there are similar growths on my N. bicalcarata. I assumed they were scars or abnormalities due to the aphids i discovered on the plant a few days ago, or perhaps nectar glands. They look a lot like the adventitious root buds forming on my nepenthes cuttings, too, but that possibility doesn't seem very likely, does it? Cheers ----- Original Message ----- To: Sent: Sunday, April 06, 2003 8:07 PM > I guess it would help if I gave you the link to the photos :) > http://www.silviar.com/phil/ > Click on the first three photos: dscn1855, 1856 and 1857. > Thanks. > > Phil Faulisi ################### From: Cp@omnisterra.com (Chris Ullsperger) Date: Mon, 07 Apr 2003 13:21:04 -0700 Subject: [CP] those things on Phil's N. stenophylla Those little bumps regularly appear at the tip of the nascent pitchers of my N. truncata (lowland). They do look just like aphids. They're the same color of green, too. While they are disturbing at first, as the pitcher grows they seem to stay aphid-sized and are barely noticeable. Undoubtedly they have evolved to trick real aphids into avoiding the pitchers during the pitcher's critical nascent stages ("too crowded"). Just kidding. chris _________________________________________________________________ Help STOP SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail ################### From: Cp@omnisterra.com (Robert Ziemer) Date: Mon, 07 Apr 2003 15:44:12 -0700 Subject: [CP] Barry's likeness Ok, Ivan, where is an image of this great LACPS T-shirt located? -Bob- ################### From: Cp@omnisterra.com (Cp@omnisterra.com) Date: Tue, 08 Apr 2003 08:25:30 -0400 Subject: [CP] Re: N. sanguinea from Antarabangsa Apologies if this is a double post - others I've sent have been "forwarded to a moderator for reviewing", except that they've never emerged from this proto-blackhole destination. -- Trent, The plants have been in cultivation since 1995, and as far as I'm aware, only in two collections. Any such plants are derived from a single clone, since the first plant found was propagated via a cutting. I've posted pictures of a cultivated plant's pitcher at http://forum.happenchance.com in a thread labelled to this effect in the "Nepenthes Identity Parade" section. Take care, Alastair. >>Hi everyone, Supposedly this is a lowland form of N. sanguinea found in a region of hills, about 300 m elevation. It's in Charles Clarke's book. Anyone have more details, ie., size, colorations, growing habit? Is it in cultivation? Thanks, Trent Meeks Boca Raton, Florida ################### From: Cp@omnisterra.com (Jean De Witte) Date: 08 Apr 2003 18:04:00 +0200 Subject: [CP] Re: Cp digest, Vol 1 #42 - 8 msgs Hi Phil, Could it be wasps or other burrying insects? To me it looks like it. Take care, Jean On Mon, 2003-04-07 at 21:00, Cp-request@omnisterra.com wrote: > Message: 2 > From: Philcula@webtv.net (Phil Faulisi) > Date: Sun, 6 Apr 2003 17:07:21 -0700 (PDT) > To: cp@omnisterra.com > Subject: [CP] Id help > Reply-To: Cp@omnisterra.com > > I guess it would help if I gave you the link to the photos :) > http://www.silviar.com/phil/ > Click on the first three photos: dscn1855, 1856 and 1857. > Thanks. > > Phil Faulisi -- Jean De Witte mailto:jean@jeandewitte.de http://www.jeandewitte.de ################### From: Cp@omnisterra.com (Cp@omnisterra.com) Date: Tue, 8 Apr 2003 14:46:52 EDT Subject: [CP] Slugs and Snails Hi All a recent gardening radio show here in the UK reported on trials it had conducted into the relative effectiveness of different types of liquids used in snail and slug traps. The results were: 1st (by a long way) - Stout (Guiness, Murphy's etc) 2nd - Milk! 3rd - British bitter beer 4th - Lager 5th - Non-alcholic lager (I can understand that!) 6th - Water (utterly useless). Dennis ################### From: Cp@omnisterra.com (The Stephen's) Date: Tue, 8 Apr 2003 18:23:37 -0400 Subject: [CP] Greenhouse I'm new at growing VFT's and I have the following question. I have a clear hard plastic top and bottom "green house" that is not vented. I know VFT's like high humidity, but should I drill a small vent hole in the top of the "greenhouse" so that there is some exchange of air? Thanks! ################### From: Cp@omnisterra.com (David Ahrens) Date: Tue, 08 Apr 2003 22:26:08 +0000 Subject: [CP] Slugs and snails. Dennis yesterday wrote about the effectiveness of the different types of beer on slugs. I really don't know why I seem to involve myself in discussing alcoholic drinks because I actually don't drink alcohol at all, it's a bit like a eunoch discussing an orgy. When I fancy something that isn't loaded with sugar or caffeine, I sometimes drink non-alcohlic larger, in a pub. I can see why it is not very effective with slugs as I am still alive, whereas some famous drinkers from a hundred years ago are not. Mind you, perhaps the hundred years has got something to do with it. This is all rather trivial and has nothing to do with CP's, but since the changeover to the new list, the postings have been a bit thin on the ground, I wonder why that is. If I could think of a new thread, I would start one. Regards, David Ahrens, LOndon. _________________________________________________________________ It's fast, it's easy and it's free. Get MSN Messenger today! http://www.msn.co.uk/messenger ################### From: Cp@omnisterra.com (D. muscipula) Date: Tue, 8 Apr 2003 18:52:53 -0400 Subject: [CP] Slugs and snails. David: I like to justify my increasingly frequent CP-buying binges by thinking of all the money i save by not drinking with my fellow grad students. Alcohol, like CPs, is both addictive and expensive. Perhaps a little harder on the liver, but also more sociable ... unless ... one becomes a member of the New England Carnivorous Plant Society (www.necps.org)!!! Ha! I found a way to plug the society while feeding this weak thread. Cheers A fellow eunich PS I agree. We need more 'Hermit' and Barry-esque weirdness. The new listserv is far too sterile. ----- Original Message ----- To: Sent: Tuesday, April 08, 2003 6:26 PM > Dennis yesterday wrote about the effectiveness of the different types of > beer on slugs. > I really don't know why I seem to involve myself in discussing alcoholic > drinks because I actually don't drink alcohol at all, it's a bit like a > eunoch discussing an orgy. > When I fancy something that isn't loaded with sugar or caffeine, I sometimes > drink non-alcohlic larger, in a pub. I can see why it is not very effective > with slugs as I am still alive, whereas some famous drinkers from a hundred > years ago are not. Mind