################### From: "Jason Ashley" Date: Sat, 1 Jan 2000 05:26:16 -0500 Subject: Fire Ant Invasion vs. Sarracenia Living in the northeastern part of the USA I was largely unfamiliar with the growing problem of exotic fire ants (Solenopsis invicta) in the southeastern part of the country. I find it sadly ironic that as the fire ants spread, the habitat for what is possibly the best natural defender, our beloved Sarracenia, is decreasing. I am curious however if fire ants are attracted to Sarracenia to the same degree native ants are. If so, would it not be worthwhile to promote Sarracenia as a natural means of controlling the fire ants? From what I have learned about fire ants it would seem that people would love to find a natural control or, at least, something of a deterrant to fire ant infestations. Would someone who lives down in Dixie let this poor yankee know if I'm on the right track with this line of thought? Many thanks, Jason Ashley Warwick, NY USA ################### From: "Sundew Sundew" Date: Sat, 1 Jan 2000 12:44:52 -0500 Subject: Happy New Year Hey CPers, Just wanted to wish all my CP buddies a great 2000! If I owe you email, drop me a line - I've fallen behind on the correspondence. Y2K bug :) Matt [HTML file part2 deleted by listprocessor] ################### From: "arie" Date: Sat, 1 Jan 2000 22:05:58 +0200 Subject: new at my site Happy New Year to all cp lovers I had added few short videos at my site you can come and enjoy them http://www.shalon.k-gat.k12.il/cp arie ========================================== come and visit at my site http://www.shalon.k-gat.k12.il/cp [HTML file part2 deleted by listprocessor] ################### From: "Marc Verdyck" Date: Sun, 2 Jan 2000 00:09:34 +0100 Subject: New E-mail adress! Hello, I want to inform you that my E-mail adress changed in : verdyckmarc@freegates.be Regards, Marc [HTML file part2 deleted by listprocessor] ################### From: "David J. Collier, MD" Date: Sat, 01 Jan 2000 18:58:38 -0800 Subject: SF water, conductivity meter, Tap Water Purifier I have been trying out my new Tap Water Purifier from Aquarium Pharmaceuticals in conjunction with my new conductivity meter from Cole Parmer. Here's what I have discovered: San Francisco tap water from my kitchen sink gives a TDS reading of 80-90 ppm, so perhaps it is suitable after all for use on CPs without any further treatment. After passing through the Tap Water Purifier, the SF tap water gives a TDS reading of zero. Pretty good, I would say. I've only run a few gallons through the TWP so far, so I can't comment yet on the life of the deionizing column. Given the low TDS reading of the tap water, however, I am optimistic that I should get more than the advertised 50 gallons. David Collier dcollier@mail.med.upenn.edu ################### From: "Harden" Date: Sat, 1 Jan 2000 22:51:47 -0600 Subject: Tap Water Purifier Make sure you read that book with the Tap Water Purifier. The pH will be neutral or undeterminable due to the deionizing process, and I think it said something about conductivity also. Left the book at work though. And on a second note, why do airports install those water faucets that you press the handle and you have .2 seconds to wash your hands? Well, I guess They don't trust everyone with water conservation, nor do they understand how difficult it is to hold that button down with your foot. When exiting, the sign on the door said they installed water-saving faucets to save our enviroment. Nice idea huh? if they are concerned about our enviroment...why did they only have paper towels for drying our hands? All that water saved went to trees to make into paper towels I guess....sigh.... Joe ################### From: Wouter Noordeloos Date: Sun, 02 Jan 2000 17:29:00 +0100 Subject: Canned sphagnum moss products Hi everyone, First of al I wish everyone a happy new yaer and the best wishes for the new millenium. Last week I visit a web-site who sale canned and compressed sphagnum moss products; www.losvolcanes.com They used to sell it to commercial growers around the world. Can we use these moss products for our CP's, or are they full of salts and minerals or other dirty stuf? Please visit this site and tel me what you think. Greetings, Wouter Noordeloos Manager of Carnivora, the dutch carnivorous plant society ################### From: Michael Vanecek Date: Sun, 02 Jan 2000 13:32:18 -0600 Subject: Re: Fire Ant Invasion vs. Sarracenia Wow. That's cool. Suppose a sunken tub with spagnum, plants and a watering system were introduced to a person's yard? Not only would it be pretty, it would also be beneficial. Of course, it wouldn't erradicate the ants - not with their multiple queens. But it would generate a lot of satisfaction to see the evil ants dying in such a way... :) I live in Central Texas, but I haven't seen many fire-ant mounds here. I may just experiment with it anyway to see what results I would get. I think a variety of Sarr, and maybe the Darlingtonia too? Jason Ashley wrote: > > Living in the northeastern part of the USA I was largely unfamiliar with the > growing problem of exotic fire ants (Solenopsis invicta) in the southeastern > part of the country. I find it sadly ironic that as the fire ants spread, > the habitat for what is possibly the best natural defender, our beloved > Sarracenia, is decreasing. I am curious however if fire ants are attracted > to Sarracenia to the same degree native ants are. If so, would it not be > worthwhile to promote Sarracenia as a natural means of controlling the fire > ants? From what I have learned about fire ants it would seem that people > would love to find a natural control or, at least, something of a deterrant > to fire ant infestations. > > Would someone who lives down in Dixie let this poor yankee know if I'm on > the right track with this line of thought? > > Many thanks, > > Jason Ashley > Warwick, NY > USA -- Cheers, Mike http://dotfile.net/ mailto:info@dotfile.net <-------------------------------------------------> "My zeal to start using Linux is stronger than my fear of looking like a dummy." --Some Wise Man <-------------------------------------------------> Why does Sea World have a seafood restaurant? I'm halfway through my fishburger and I realize, Oh my God....I could be eating a slow learner. ################### From: "Kira Jones" Date: Sun, 2 Jan 2000 14:51:23 -0600 Subject: Fungus on Soil Greetings! I know this is probably an old thread I'm resurrecting, but I'm really not sure what to do. I woke up this morning to find a small colony of white mold growing on the soil of my Sarr, which is still in dormancy. Should I just scrape it off, and see what happens, or get some sort of fungicide? If the later, what kind is best? ~Kira Get your free customized E-mail from http://gmail.garfield.com ! ################### From: "Michael Hunt" Date: Sun, 2 Jan 2000 15:34:55 -0500 Subject: Re: Fire Ant Invasion vs. Sarracenia Well, Speaking from experience. Nice thought, but "That dog, don't hunt" !! There is no possible way a stand of hundreds of acres of Sarracenia would even put a small dent in the fire ant population. ~Mike ----- Original Message ----- To: Multiple recipients of list Sent: Sunday, January 02, 2000 2:32 PM > Wow. That's cool. Suppose a sunken tub with spagnum, plants and a > watering system were introduced to a person's yard? Not only would it be > pretty, it would also be beneficial. Of course, it wouldn't erradicate > the ants - not with their multiple queens. But it would generate a lot > of satisfaction to see the evil ants dying in such a way... :) I live in > Central Texas, but I haven't seen many fire-ant mounds here. I may just > experiment with it anyway to see what results I would get. I think a > variety of Sarr, and maybe the Darlingtonia too? > > Jason Ashley wrote: > > > > Living in the northeastern part of the USA I was largely unfamiliar with the > > growing problem of exotic fire ants (Solenopsis invicta) in the southeastern > > part of the country. I find it sadly ironic that as the fire ants spread, > > the habitat for what is possibly the best natural defender, our beloved > > Sarracenia, is decreasing. I am curious however if fire ants are attracted > > to Sarracenia to the same degree native ants are. If so, would it not be > > worthwhile to promote Sarracenia as a natural means of controlling the fire > > ants? From what I have learned about fire ants it would seem that people > > would love to find a natural control or, at least, something of a deterrant > > to fire ant infestations. > > > > Would someone who lives down in Dixie let this poor yankee know if I'm on > > the right track with this line of thought? > > > > Many thanks, > > > > Jason Ashley > > Warwick, NY > > USA > > -- > Cheers, > Mike > > http://dotfile.net/ > mailto:info@dotfile.net > <-------------------------------------------------> > "My zeal to start using Linux is stronger than my > fear of looking like a dummy." --Some Wise Man > <-------------------------------------------------> > Why does Sea World have a seafood restaurant? I'm > halfway through my fishburger and I realize, Oh my > God....I could be eating a slow learner. ################### From: "Joseph Kinyon" Date: Sun, 2 Jan 2000 14:32:26 -0800 Subject: odds n ends Richard, You quipped, > Davion, > Forget the fertilizer, just send me the stuff your on. > Richard. Flames only need a match, lets keep it safe, besides you like the way you write! **** Jason, My first question to your ant question is: Do they overlap in habitat? Don't fireants like it dry, and Saracenia like it boggy? Just a thought to add to your thought. **** David, I work at the California Academy of Sciences. I believe there is some detailed monitoring of the water done by the aquarium engineers. Would you care for that info? Joseph Kinyon Marin Headlands ################### From: "tierney wayne" Date: Sun, 02 Jan 2000 21:25:13 PST Subject: Off topic question Hi everyone, Sorry for the off topic question, but I think I remember someone on the list mentioning that he/she also was an aquarium hobbiest... I just purchased my first real aqaurium (tropical freshwater) and I feel like such a novice!! Does anyone know of a good digest or listserve that I could subscribe to? Thanks in advance, Tierney ################### From: MCATALANI@aol.com Date: Mon, 3 Jan 2000 00:28:09 EST Subject: Fire Ants >> Living in the northeastern part of the USA I was largely unfamiliar with the growing problem of exotic fire ants (Solenopsis invicta) in the southeastern part of the country. I find it sadly ironic that as the fire ants spread, the habitat for what is possibly the best natural defender, our beloved Sarracenia, is decreasing. I am curious however if fire ants are attracted to Sarracenia to the same degree native ants are. If so, would it not be worthwhile to promote Sarracenia as a natural means of controlling the fire ants? From what I have learned about fire ants it would seem that people would love to find a natural control or, at least, something of a deterrant t o fire ant infestations. Would someone who lives down in Dixie let this poor yankee know if I'm on the right track with this line of thought? Many thanks, Jason Ashley>> Warwick, NYFire Ants have become an extreme nuisance here in the Memphis area during the past 7 years or so, although they were not near as bad this year. I can tell you that they can show up in your yard by the millions overnite. They are very hardy, and build their nests within the soil of my Sarracenia bogs. (These bogs are about 2 feet deep. There is standing water about 8"-1 foot below the surface.) Even with the soil moisture being high, they have no problems setting up their nests there. I have over watered the bogs a few time to try to rid them. They will scramble madly, removing the young to drier ground. But if the bog dries out, they will return. Overwatering continuously will rid them for a while, as they apparantly get tired of moving. The plants do capture some as food, but the sarracenias growing here fill up immediately on the wasp population. They fill the pitcher so high that the ants easily wander in and out of the pitcher. I have not checked the contents of S. minor, but this would probably be the pitcher plant of choice to fight these pests. Sundews should be good as well, but mine here are covered with the smaller flying insects such as gnats. Michael Catalani ################### From: (Howard J. Wu L.Ac) Date: Mon, 3 Jan 2000 4:19:26 +0000 Subject: Mr. Wu's debut message Hello. My name is Howard Wu. I live the eastern sierras and I have been raising CP's for almost three years now. My tap water is superb. (I get to piss far upstream from Los Angeles.) But my climate is very dry so I grow my plants indoors under glass. How I got interested in CP's: My principle hobby was raising killifish. I live in a remote rural community so it was hard to buy aquarium plants locally. I mostly acquired mine from hobbiest through the mail. Many years ago I had an aquatic bladderwort sent to me from the Dixieland Killifish Association. I wanted to again find this plant. Through the interet I discovered the utricularia webpage of Barry Rice-Meyer's as he was moving from Arizona. Here I learned that bladderworts weren't just aquatics. About three years ago Tom Johnson from the Los Angeles CPS offered me a dozen utricularia of various types. ( Thanks Tom.) These included many terrestials and epiphytes. I begun to grow these under the lights on top of my aquariums. Included was a weed sundew rosette and VFT. From her my collection has expanded into other CP's, but I remain foremost an utriciphile. I will admit that sundews are nice for lapping up those escaped wingless fruitflys I feed my fish. I have a few pitchers seedlings, pings and nepenthes just to round out my collection, but space limits my interest in these. Also before my CP days, in my Encyclopedia of Aquatic Plants I have read about Aldrovanda. I thus began a quest to obtain this unusual plant. I have since learned very much about water ecology while have only marginally being able to keep these plants alive in my collection. But they continues to be of great interest to me. For me they are 'my rose' as in "The Little Prince". I hope to someday fully master their cultivation. Last, I'm an acupuncturist/herbalist by profession, so I have some academic intested in the historic medical uses of CP's and their enzymology. Howard J. Wu Bishop Ca. mrwu@qnet.com ################### From: "dick c tran" Date: Mon, 03 Jan 2000 08:46:59 -0800 Subject: network of moss on soil surface does anyone have a problem with very fine moss that grows on top of their soil with plants grown under lights? I found out this weekend as i was fiddling with my cephs and discovered a huge growth crown underneath this layer of bind-soil trying to push its way through to the surface in one of my plants. this moss forms a matrix which binds the soil surface together which inhibits plants that produces side-shoots from getting through except towards the sides of the pot. at times, it is so meshed together, that i can insert a pair of tweezers into the top 1/4 inch of the soil and lift it off. so far, the only thing i can do is to replace the top layer of soil very carefully when i see this happen. LYCOShop is now open. On your mark, get set, SHOP!!! http://shop.lycos.com/ ################### From: "dick c tran" Date: Mon, 03 Jan 2000 09:00:45 -0800 Subject: cephalotus i was wondering if anyone has any problems with their cephs producing pitchers that are too close to the crown where the pitchers are developing on top of each other. Does anyone know of a way to get their cephs to develop longer petioles? besides what i mentioned below and removing older pitchers to make way for the new ones, does anyone have alternative solutions to this? i've tried blocking out the light at the crown hoping that the petiole would grown farther out before pitcher grown. So far, inconclusive. They're so damn slow....! dick LYCOShop is now open. On your mark, get set, SHOP!!! http://shop.lycos.com/ ################### From: Barry Meyers-Rice Date: Mon, 3 Jan 2000 11:16:53 -0800 (PST) Subject: mjin hobby is vleesetende planten willy (fwd) Hey Folks, I'm back from a trip, sorting through email. Can anyone translate this piece that I got from a grower, I believe in response to some page in the CP FAQ? Is this in some composite language? It almost reads as a phonetic English, in an odd, twisted way. ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Ik heb het adres gekregen van een vriend die mij dezelfde hobby doe als ik. Ik ben opzoek naar nieuwe planten en het aan te kopen van boeken. kunt u helpen dank u WILLY. ADRES : CASSIMAN WILLY BEIGEMSESTEENWEG,310 1852 BEIGEM ( GRIMBERGEN ) BELGI\313E --------------------- Dr. Barry Meyers-Rice bazza@sarracenia.com Carnivorous Plant FAQ--author www.sarracenia.com/faq.html Carnivorous Plant Newsletter--editor www.carnivorousplants.org ################### From: "Carl Strohmenger (HSC)" Date: Mon, 3 Jan 2000 15:33:33 -0500 (EST) Subject: Re: mjin hobby is vleesetende planten willy (fwd) It looks like the Dutch that a friend was studying many years ago. - Carl On Mon, 3 Jan 2000, Barry Meyers-Rice wrote: > > Hey Folks, > > I'm back from a trip, sorting through email. Can anyone translate this > piece that I got from a grower, I believe in response to some page in the > CP FAQ? > > Is this in some composite language? It almost reads as a phonetic English, > in an odd, twisted way. > > > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > Date: Thu, 30 Dec 1999 18:39:54 +0100 > From: cassiman > Subject: mjin hobby is vleesetende planten willy > > Ik heb het adres gekregen van een vriend die mij dezelfde hobby doe als > ik. > > Ik ben opzoek naar nieuwe planten en het aan te kopen van boeken. > kunt u helpen dank u WILLY. > > > ADRES : CASSIMAN WILLY > BEIGEMSESTEENWEG,310 > 1852 BEIGEM ( GRIMBERGEN ) BELGI\313E > > --------------------- > Dr. Barry Meyers-Rice > bazza@sarracenia.com > Carnivorous Plant FAQ--author > www.sarracenia.com/faq.html > Carnivorous Plant Newsletter--editor > www.carnivorousplants.org > > ################### From: "Fred C. Heller" Date: Mon, 3 Jan 2000 22:04:30 +0100 (MET) Subject: Re: mjin hobby is vleesetende planten willy (fwd) There you go ! Happy growing Fred >I'm back from a trip, sorting through email. Can anyone translate this >piece that I got from a grower, I believe in response to some page in the >CP FAQ? >Date: Thu, 30 Dec 1999 18:39:54 +0100 >From: cassiman >Subject: mjin hobby is vleesetende planten willy My hobby is carnivorous plants >Ik heb het adres gekregen van een vriend die mij dezelfde hobby doe als >ik. I got the address from a friend of mine who has the same hobby I haveI > >Ik ben opzoek naar nieuwe planten en het aan te kopen van boeken. >kunt u helpen dank u WILLY. I'm looking for new plants and the buying of books. Could you help ? Thank you Willy > >ADDRESS : CASSIMAN WILLY >BEIGEMSESTEENWEG,310 >1852 BEIGEM ( GRIMBERGEN ) BELGIUM > >--------------------- >Dr. Barry Meyers-Rice > bazza@sarracenia.com >Carnivorous Plant FAQ--author > www.sarracenia.com/faq.html >Carnivorous Plant Newsletter--editor > www.carnivorousplants.org > > > ################### From: "Thierry Callaerts" Date: Tue, 04 Jan 2000 01:43:51 PST Subject: Utricularia dimorphanta Hello, To all a happy New Year... I have to following problem and hope someone out there can help me. My U. dimporhanta is growing very well. It has a very green colour and grows rapidely. The problem is that the 'leaves' stay very short and that it doesn't form any traps at all. Can someone help me ? I'm also looking for a drosera regia for sale. greetz, Thierry ################### From: Ed Street Date: Tue, 4 Jan 2000 06:52:40 -0500 (EST) Subject: Re: Fire ants Hello, I live in alabama on the al/ga border and we have some carpenter/fire ants in the yard, I can kick over there nest and they will just move it to the side somewhere. this summer I will definately put my s. minor's in the front yard and see what happens. Currently they are on the back porch, this past year they have gotten so full they literally topple over with the weight. When california carnivores stated they are glutonous pigs they was NOT kidding!! I will keep everyone posted as to what I find and how they work. Ed ################### From: "Susan Farrington" Date: Tue, 4 Jan 2000 07:22:53 -0600 Subject: Longwood Gardens Hi, Paul, Having lived near Philadelphia, PA most of my adult life (I moved out here to MO three years ago), I'm very familiar with Longwood Gardens. I know what you mean about their declining cp display, so I wrote a friend of mine who works there (although the cp's aren't in her area). First, your premise that Longwood Gardens has "conservatories" and should therefore be preserving rare species is flawed... Longwood has never called itself a botanical garden, nor has it ever purported to be maintaining or preserving rare plants. It was originally a DuPont estate, and its mandate is to follow that estate's wishes: it is, and always has been, primarily a display garden, not a botanical garden. If they grow cp's, it will be because the DuPonts may have had them, back when it was in fashion to grow them in hot houses, and/or because they are beautiful (NOT because they are endangered). In contrast, the institution where I work (the Missouri Botanical Garden) IS primarily a botanical garden, and its mission has ALWAYS included the goal of preserving rare and interesting species... so OUR garden could certainly be called upon to preserve cp's in any way possible. That's not to say we're doing a perfect job either: when I first came here three years ago, our once wonderful collection had declined to a mere shadow of itself. We had had a curator who was very interested in cp's, but after she left, the collection slowly degraded. That is often the case at ANY botanical garden, unfortunately. I have worked to improve and expand the collection once again, and have enlarged and improved our display a lot... I hope you can come see it someday! My friend did say, however, that Longwood certainly could have a better cp display, and the gardener in charge of them IS interested in them, so hopefully things will improve. I think if we want to encourage them, we shouldn't be on the attack, and should instead stress to them how LOVELY these plants are, and how interested people are to see them grown well. Anything that increases ticket sales, of course, always helps! Susan > I stated that I thought things were going downhill back in the > Spring... "downhill" would be a step up now. I urge everyone to mail > or email (as I have repeatedly) to Longwood Gardens to reverse this > trend. Longwood Gardens was reknowned (at one time) for having the > best selection of Nepenthes in America- they had an entire room > devoted to them- but now they have two closet sized areas in a > hallway. For a "Conservatory" to snub the single most > conservation-needing plants in the world is just plain dumb. > > Cheers, > Paul > Susan Farrington Missouri Botanical Garden P.O. Box 299 St. Louis MO 63166-0299 susan.farrington@mobot.org (314)577-9402 ################### From: Steven Stewart Date: Tue, 04 Jan 2000 08:48:09 -0500 Subject: Fire ants & Sarracenia Here in Central Florida, fire ants have become quite naturalized. I have seen populations of Sarracenia minor growing in powerline right of way almost covered to the top in fire ant mounds, with only the hood protruding. This relationship seems to cause the plants to form tall robust pitchers, but in times of drought the loose soil formed by the ants dries to a level deadly to the Sarracenia. I use a product called Amdro whenever I see any sign of fire ants. If you use it carefully only on fire ants, the native ants, ant-lions, possibly _Brachynemurus_ sp. and other ant eaters, can keep fire ant populations almost non existant. The best overall ant eating plant species I have is Nepenthes bicalcarata, many ant species love to sacrifice themselves to to the plants I have. Take care, Steven Stewart ################### From: Phil Sheridan Date: Sun, 06 Jan 1980 11:04:18 -0800 Subject: Re: pitchers and fire ants Hi Folks: Regarding pitcher plants and fire ants we have observed that S. minor does indeed capture large numbers of this insect. What is particularly interesting, and worth investigating, is a comparison of native ant captures vs. fire ant captures. Since fire ants are new to this region they have not coevolved with the Sarracenia and may be captured at higher rates than other ant species. This is an excellent project for a high school in south Georgia or a masters level project. Best, Phil Sheridan Director Meadowview Biological Research Station ################### From: CALIFCARN@aol.com Date: Tue, 4 Jan 2000 16:32:15 EST Subject: Re: Fire ants in Flytrap Country Howdy kids, Peter here at California Carnivores: I just thought I'd mention that when I went on a field trip with Larry Mellichamp and Ron Gardner a few years ago, down in the Wilmington, North Carolina area, scattered amid the flytraps and pitcher plants were nothing BUT fire ant hills. I was astounded at how many there were, like every 20 feet or so. A thousand years ago when I was going to college in Miami (Florida), I had a tank of carnivores outdoors in my backyard. One day I went out to look at them and kneeled beside the tank in the grass. I was suddenly attacked by fire ants, who didn't seem interested in the plants at all, just me! I survived (barely) about 100 very painful stings, an experience I'll never forget. Seeya. Peter ################### From: Christer Berglund Date: Wed, 05 Jan 2000 00:39:44 +0100 Subject: D. spec. "Auyan Tepui" and U. humboldtii division? Hi, Does anyone know what type of sundew D. spec. "Auyan Tepui" is, rosetted, upright, steam-forming? When propagating U. humboldtii, by division, do I need to include a leafy part with the stolon (traps) to be successful? Regards, -- Christer Berglund E-mail: christer.berglund@amiga.pp.se ################### From: "mike wilder" Date: Wed, 05 Jan 2000 00:03:20 GMT Subject: d. ordensis/pinguicula book happy new year! i have two questions: 1. i germinated d. ordensis in late spring 1999. the plants are in a mix of 8 parts sand to 2 parts peat. at this time, the rosette is about one inch in diameter, which seems small to me. the temperature never drops below 65 F, and tends to be closer to 72. i've tried varying the light intensity and humidity, but the little guys never look overly happy. can anyone who has successfully grown this species from seed share info about compost, light levels, humidity levels, and growth rates? (if you recommend a different compost, please advise whether transplanting plants of this size would be wise.)incidentally, the conditions i've had the ordensis in seem to suit d. paradoxa just fine. 2. in the back of tony camillieri's book, he cites a book on pinguicula called "pings and how to grow them", or something similar. (sorry, i don't have tony's book at hand.) i've never heard of this book; does anyone have any info about it? thanks for all--mike ################### From: "Diane Charette" Date: Tue, 4 Jan 2000 23:22:05 -0500 Subject: Heliamphora in flower Hi, I have a H. het x minor in flower right now and i wonder if these flowers are self-fertiles like D.capensis or do they need another one for making seeds? Thanx a lot Tom [HTML file part2 deleted by listprocessor] ################### From: "Susan Farrington" Date: Wed, 5 Jan 2000 06:58:58 -0600 Subject: St. Louis CPS The St. Louis Carnivorous Plant Society will be holding its next meeting January 13, 2000 at 6:30 pm at the Missouri Botanical Garden. All are welcome, beginners and experienced growers alike, kids or adults. Hope to see you there! We'll also probably be holding a "potting party" in the next couple of weeks to pot up plants for a show and sale in June. Contact me for further details. Susan Farrington Missouri Botanical Garden P.O. Box 299 St. Louis MO 63166-0299 susan.farrington@mobot.org (314)577-9402 ################### From: Rich Ellis Date: Tue, 4 Jan 2000 18:06:48 -0700 Subject: Re: d. ordensis/pinguicula book On Tue, 4 Jan 2000 16:06:45 "mike wilder" writes: > 1. i germinated d. ordensis in late spring 1999. the plants are in a mix of > 8 parts sand to 2 parts peat. at this time, the rosette is about one inch in > diameter, which seems small to me. the temperature never drops below 65 F, > and tends to be closer to 72. i've tried varying the light intensity and > humidity, but the little guys never look overly happy. can anyone who has > successfully grown this species from seed share info about compost, light > levels, humidity levels, and growth rates? (if you recommend a different > compost, please advise whether transplanting plants of this size would be > wise.)incidentally, the conditions i've had the ordensis in seem to suit d. > paradoxa just fine. The petiolaris complex to which D. ordensis belongs are happy when it is really hot. Highs in the 90-100 f range are fine. If you germinated your seed in the northern hemisphere then the plants may be in a resting state and you can decrease watering and let the plant rest till spring. As summer arrives, gradually allow them to get into the 90-100 degree range during the hottest part of the day. My D. paradoxa that I originally got from Tom Hayes aka DANGEROUS PLANTS is an awesome plant that does not seem to care what conditions are like. I have been exprimenting with growing them in pure peat, 50:50 peat sand, long fiber sphagnum moss, indoors under lights and outside in the sun. So far, none of these variables seem to matter and the plants grow and flower like crazy. Rich Boulder, Colorado http://www.geocities.com/RainForest/Vines/8564/ ################### From: Nigel Hurneyman Date: Wed, 05 Jan 2000 17:09:20 +0000 Subject: D. spec. "Auyan Tepui" and U. humboldtii division? Hi Christer, Plants I grew from Lowrie seed labelled sp'Auyan Tepui" formed spatulata-sized rosettes and had pale pink flowers. Regards, NigelH ################### From: Nigel Hurneyman Date: Wed, 05 Jan 2000 17:19:37 +0000 Subject: Re: water (by "Paul Murphy") Regarding the use of sulphuric acid, it may not alter the quantity of salts in water, but various literature I've seen (sorry, no references so this can be taken as anecdotal) suggests that the sulphates somehow mask the salts preventing their uptake by plants. Adrian Slack reportedly (another anecdote) watered his plants for a several months on tap water treated with sulphuric acid without any ill effects. I don't know how hard his tap water was to start with or whether he repotted his plants at the end of that time. Regarding alternatives to sulphuric acid, how would you rate citric acid? It is readily available from the home-brewing counter in many shops, although it seems to have a limited shelf life. Regards, NigelH ################### From: Christer Berglund Date: Wed, 05 Jan 2000 20:49:24 +0100 Subject: re: d. ordensis/- > 1. i germinated d. ordensis in late spring 1999. the plants are in a > mix of 8 parts sand to 2 parts peat. at this time, the rosette is > about one inch in diameter, which seems small to me. the temperature > never drops below 65 F, and tends to be closer to 72. i've tried > varying the light intensity and humidity, but the little guys never > look overly happy. can anyone who has successfully grown this species > from seed share info about compost, light levels, humidity levels, and > growth rates? (if you recommend a different compost, please advise > whether transplanting plants of this size would be wise.)incidentally, > the conditions i've had the ordensis in seem to suit d. paradoxa just > fine. Hi Mike, I have D. ordensis (Kununurra) which germinated in May of 1999. I sowed two batches: one on pure sphagnum peat moss, and the other on one part each of peat moss and sand, and due to my laziness they have remained in the same pots until today. The plant sizes is from approx. 1.5 cm to just short of 4 cm i diameter (some has entered dormancy). Since last summer I have been feeding them periodically quite heavily with fruitflies. As I wrote above, I haven't transplanted any of them yet and some of them is suffering from the crowding, but I plan to rectify this situation soon. The temps I keep my plants in is from the low 70's d F (21 d C) in the nighttime to low 80's d F (28 d C) in the daytime. I kept the pots in plastic bags one foot below two 18 W fluorescent light bulbs (Osram lumilux with clip-on reflectors) and one 30 W light bulb the first 5 months, but now they are in a small terrarium (fish tank). Conditions now are; light: two 15 W light bulbs, humidity: above 60 %, the temperature day/night is almost the same as before. Before they were moved into the terrarium they were exposed to lower daytime temps and lower light, for some weeks, which caused three of them to go dormant. They haven't resumed growth after that, but several other specimens (in the same pot) is in full growth. This species is definitely one of my favorites with its lovely combination of the whitish green petioles and orange red traps. Mike, what is causing you to worry about your plants? Do they grow fewer leaves, shorter leaves, no dew, or? Regards, -- Christer Berglund E-mail: christer.berglund@amiga.pp.se ################### From: "John Green" Date: Wed, 05 Jan 2000 14:01:34 -0700 Subject: Cold/Hot hardiness? I'll be re-doing my outdoor bog this spring. I'm upgrading to one of those nice hard black plastic pond forms which is about three times as large as my existing bog (thanks to my mother-in-law), and I'd like to plant something other than just S. oreophila (which is all I have outside now). Specifically I'm wondering about the cold hardiness of S. leucophylla, S. rubra, S. flava, S. purpurea venosa, and VFTs. Also wondering how well S. purpurea purpurea does in hot climates. Salt Lake City has long, cold winters with a lot of snow, and hot, dry summers in the upper 90s F (around 37-38 C). The bog will still be under the rain gutter next to the house, and I will continue to mulch it over winter. If anyone has any experience with the above I'd appreciate your comments or suggestions. Thanks in advance, John Green Salt Lake City, Utah PS - I have a few different types of pygmy gemmae I'm selling. If interested, there's a note near the bottom of the CP Trading Post, or e-mail me for details (prefer USA only). ################### From: Rich Ellis Date: Wed, 5 Jan 2000 14:53:42 -0700 Subject: Re: Cold/Hot hardiness? On Wed, 5 Jan 2000 "John Green" writes: > Specifically I'm wondering about the cold hardiness of S. > leucophylla, S. rubra, S. flava, S. purpurea venosa, and VFTs. Also > wondering how well S. purpurea purpurea does in hot climates. Howdy John I have had success with all of the species you listed with my outdoor bog in Colorado which I suspect has a similar climate to you in Utah. While S. leucophylla survived the winter here OK (with mulching) I have found that it starts to put up its best fall pitchers about the same time we start getting frosts at night here. Ultimately I think this will kill or stunt the plant but we will see. I recall Dave Evans did quite well with S. leuco in New Jersey however. The S. purpurea purpurea did well this summer (as did S. purpurea venosa). I suspect that even though the air temp is quite hot, it remains much cooler down at the level of the moss - especially since it is such a short plant. S. purpurea x leucophylla has done particularly well and perhaps makes a good comprimise? S. rubra has done well also. I have no idea where my S. flava clones originate but I would love to get some of the Virginia strains of S. flava as I think they would do very well out here. My VFTs looked great this spring but generally deteriorated over the summer. Not sure why but i would not be surprised if they do not survive the winter. Rich Boulder, Colorado http://www.geocities.com/RainForest/Vines/8564/ ################### From: Drury Date: Wed, 05 Jan 2000 17:43:32 -0600 Subject: Need U. pubescens help! I have had a U. pubescens for a year now. It stated out doing very well, producing 2 inche stolons at the surface. It has been steadily growing smaller since then. I don't understand it's dormancy, so I have kept it in a tropical enviroment since I've had it. I have it in a clear plastic cup in my terrarium. I think there is plenty of light, because my other plants are doing well enough to bloom. I do not let it sit in water. I do not let it dry out. It is potted in mostly long fiber sphagnum, with some orchid medium. It has produced some root system, but not much. I understand it is a epiphytic utric. , that is why I put it in such a coarse medium. Don Drury ################### From: Drury Date: Wed, 05 Jan 2000 17:55:06 -0600 Subject: OOps! I ment U. longifolia When I complained about my poor U.pubescens, I was confused and really ment U. longifolia. I'm Sorry Don Drury http://www.chouteautel.com/~drury-ct/ ################### From: "Dave Evans" Date: Wed, 5 Jan 2000 19:52:17 -0500 Subject: Re: OOps! I ment U. longifolia Sorry Don, U. longifolia doesn't have tubers either. Does it loose all it's leaves when it goes dormant? Dave Evans ################### From: "Dave Evans" Date: Wed, 5 Jan 2000 19:57:47 -0500 Subject: Re: Need U. pubescens help! I think the trick to these plants is they need a natural lighting cycle for the year. I have seen a couple very happy clones of U.longifolia in a greenhouse, but mine under lights from cuttings of these clones are never as happy. But I'm trying out 10-11 hours of light on the some plants, like these Utrics and some of those finicky winter growing Drosera and they are doing better... Dave Evans P.S. I don't think U.longifolia grows very fast anyway. > I have had a U. pubescens for a year now. It stated out doing very well, producing 2 inche stolons at the surface. > It has been steadily growing smaller since then. I don't understand it's dormancy, so I have kept it in a tropical enviroment since I've had it. I have it in a clear plastic cup in my terrarium. I think there is plenty of light, because my other plants are doing well enough to bloom. I do not let it sit in water. I do not let it dry out. It is potted in mostly long fiber sphagnum, with some orchid medium. It has produced some root system, but not much. I understand it is a epiphytic utric. , that is why I put it in such a coarse medium. > > Don Drury > > ################### From: "Greg Bourke" Date: Thu, 06 Jan 2000 15:37:17 EST Subject: B. hechtioides G'day, I recently acquired some B. hechtioides seed which I have germinated. They are two weeks old now and naturally are growing quite slow. Could anyone tell me how to cultivate them (light levels, potting mix etc.)? Also any info on how and where they grow in their natural habitat? ################### From: "Pierre GELINAUD" Date: Thu, 6 Jan 2000 13:44:37 +0900 Subject: Utricularia dimorphanta Hi thierry If your U. dimorphanta grows well but without traps, perhaps it needs something more like CO2, but I'm not sure. Mine are growing slowly now and with few big traps (one for 3 or 4 leaves). I use (a little) some feeding for aquarium plants to provide B, Mn, Co, Fe ... and a CO2 diffuser. The CO2 concentration is around 18 mg/l. Pierre Gelinaud http://www.multimania.com/piilou/ http://www.ii-okinawa.ne.jp/people/a-miya/ piilou@pop.multimania.com [HTML file part2 deleted by listprocessor] ################### From: "Susan Farrington" Date: Thu, 6 Jan 2000 07:40:23 -0600 Subject: outdoor bogs and VFT Rich, Is if possible your VFT's were too wet this summer? I've certainly seen that they hate being water logged all the time, and need to be a bit higher and drier than Sarracenia. One person I know in Illinois with an outdoor bog says he put logs along the edge of his bog, raising the media in that region, and plants his VFT's in that raised section. Susan > My VFTs looked great this spring but generally deteriorated over the > summer. Not sure why but i would not be surprised if they do not survive > the winter. > > Rich > Susan Farrington Missouri Botanical Garden P.O. Box 299 St. Louis MO 63166-0299 susan.farrington@mobot.org (314)577-9402 ################### From: Steven Stewart Date: Thu, 06 Jan 2000 10:02:54 -0500 Subject: Sarracenia in CO &Utricularia On the subject of Sarracenia grown outdoors in Colorado, USA. I did quite a bit of experimentation in the 1970's in Greeley and Boulder. The main problems I found were short growing seasons, with plants producing their best foliage during the 60-70F. warm periods, followed by -10F cold periods. The soft growth of the rhizome would split and rot, even Sarr. purpurea was fooled into growth during Colrado's January & Febrary Chinook(warm) winds. I'm not familiar with Utah winters, but I would think if you can keep your plants in a reliable state of dormancy it will help. My Utricularia longifolia (thank's Jay)are now sending up their first inflorescence. The plants I have are fast growing but it has been a over a year of growing time, in a greenhouse using long-fibered Sphagnum and full drainage. Take care, Steven Stewart Sanford, Fl. ################### From: Michael Vanecek Date: Thu, 06 Jan 2000 10:10:03 -0600 Subject: Re: outdoor bogs and VFT What online reseller sells CP safe fungicide? I need some yesterday, and there isn't anything local... -- Cheers, Mike http://dotfile.net/ mailto:info@dotfile.net <-------------------------------------------------> "My zeal to start using Linux is stronger than my fear of looking like a dummy." --Some Wise Man <-------------------------------------------------> Why does Sea World have a seafood restaurant? I'm halfway through my fishburger and I realize, Oh my God....I could be eating a slow learner. ################### From: "Fred C. Heller" Date: Thu, 6 Jan 2000 18:46:53 +0100 (MET) Subject: Re: outdoor bogs and VFT I use one called Topsin that you can find in any gardening store (at least in europe) without problems. The thing is to dilute it enough. It's systemic as well. Fred At 08:13 06/01/2000 -0800, you wrote: >What online reseller sells CP safe fungicide? I need some yesterday, and >there isn't anything local... > >-- >Cheers, >Mike > >http://dotfile.net/ >mailto:info@dotfile.net ><-------------------------------------------------> >"My zeal to start using Linux is stronger than my >fear of looking like a dummy." --Some Wise Man ><-------------------------------------------------> >Why does Sea World have a seafood restaurant? I'm >halfway through my fishburger and I realize, Oh my >God....I could be eating a slow learner. > > ################### From: "Fernando Rivadavia-Lopes" Date: Thu, 6 Jan 2000 17:48:24 -0200 Subject: Re: OOps! I ment U. longifolia Dear Don, >>When I complained about my poor U.pubescens, I was confused and really ment U. longifolia. >U. longifolia doesn't have tubers either. Does it loose all it's leaves >when it goes dormant? Nor is U.longifolia epiphytic....... Nor does it go dormant........ Nor is it exactly tropical (it grows on cool highlands)........ Good luck, Fernando Rivadavia Sao Paulo, Brazil ################### From: Michael Vanecek Date: Thu, 06 Jan 2000 14:05:33 -0600 Subject: fungicide [was Re: outdoor bogs and VFT] I found their site, but there wasn't any help for a small time buyer like myself. Any online nursuries in the states carrying this stuff? "Fred C. Heller" wrote: > > I use one called Topsin that you can find in any gardening store (at least in europe) without problems. The thing is to dilute it enough. It's systemic as well. > Fred > > At 08:13 06/01/2000 -0800, you wrote: > >What online reseller sells CP safe fungicide? I need some yesterday, and > >there isn't anything local... > > > >-- > >Cheers, > >Mike > > > >http://dotfile.net/ > >mailto:info@dotfile.net > ><-------------------------------------------------> > >"My zeal to start using Linux is stronger than my > >fear of looking like a dummy." --Some Wise Man > ><-------------------------------------------------> > >Why does Sea World have a seafood restaurant? I'm > >halfway through my fishburger and I realize, Oh my > >God....I could be eating a slow learner. > > > > -- Cheers, Mike http://dotfile.net/ mailto:info@dotfile.net <-------------------------------------------------> "My zeal to start using Linux is stronger than my fear of looking like a dummy." --Some Wise Man <-------------------------------------------------> Why does Sea World have a seafood restaurant? I'm halfway through my fishburger and I realize, Oh my God....I could be eating a slow learner. ################### From: Christer Berglund Date: Thu, 06 Jan 2000 22:49:52 +0100 Subject: re:D. spec. "Auyan Tepui" ...) > Hi Christer, > > Plants I grew from Lowrie seed labelled sp'Auyan Tepui" formed > spatulata-sized rosettes and had pale pink flowers. > > Regards, NigelH Hi Nigel, Thanks for your reply. I have newly germinated seedlings which originate from seed purchased from Lowrie, and now I have an idea of what to expect when they are adult. Thanks again, -- Christer Berglund E-mail: christer.berglund@amiga.pp.se ################### From: CALIFCARN@aol.com Date: Thu, 6 Jan 2000 17:02:11 EST Subject: Re: Cold hardy plants Howdydoo, Peter here at California Carnivores. I enjoy reading about John and Rich's plans and experience with Sarracenia outdoors in cold temperate climates. I keep getting reports from customers who tell me things I mentioned in The Savage Garden concerning cold hardiness. It may be the mild winters of late, but there are folks as far north as Chicago who have been having success with Sarracenia in bog gardens outdoors. At the last Bay Area meeting, Joe Mazrimas showed outdoor bog gardens in Vermont that for years have had S. flava and other plants survive year after year. Here at our nursery I've been breeding Sarracenia for cold hardiness. One plant we have in stock is S. purpurea ssp. purpurea x flava (mature plants for $20). I also have a single large plant of the Virginia S. flava (not for sale yet) that I hope to use for breeding purposes. After I received this clone, I was amazed at how beautiful it is, and very tall. It's a very veiny form of S. flava, and should make a nice match for other cold hardy Sarracenia like S. rubra ssp. jonesii and oreophila. I would like this year to cross it with the purp purp x flava I mentioned, which is a purple but small plant. Th-th-th-that's all folks! ################### From: "Fred C. Heller" Date: Thu, 6 Jan 2000 23:15:12 +0100 (MET) Subject: Re: fungicide [was Re: outdoor bogs and VFT] either ask them where they sell it in the US http://www.elf-atochem.com/newelf/agchem/contactus.html Or contact Peter D'Amato and see what he's got to offer : California Carnivores 7020 Trenton-Healdsburg Rd. Forestville, CA 95436 Voice: (707) 838-1630 Fax: (707) 838-9899 email: califcarn@aol.com http://californiacarnivores.com/ Or use a systemic fungicide that you dilute more than it should be, do not spray it directly on the plants as it could burn them but on the sphagnum around them. Happy growing Fred At 12:07 06/01/2000 -0800, you wrote: >I found their site, but there wasn't any help for a small time buyer >like myself. Any online nursuries in the states carrying this stuff? > >"Fred C. Heller" wrote: >> >> I use one called Topsin that you can find in any gardening store (at least in europe) without problems. The thing is to dilute it enough. It's systemic as well. >> Fred >> >> At 08:13 06/01/2000 -0800, you wrote: >> >What online reseller sells CP safe fungicide? I need some yesterday, and >> >there isn't anything local... >> > >> >-- >> >Cheers, >> >Mike >> > >> >http://dotfile.net/ >> >mailto:info@dotfile.net >> ><-------------------------------------------------> >> >"My zeal to start using Linux is stronger than my >> >fear of looking like a dummy." --Some Wise Man >> ><-------------------------------------------------> >> >Why does Sea World have a seafood restaurant? I'm >> >halfway through my fishburger and I realize, Oh my >> >God....I could be eating a slow learner. >> > >> > > >-- >Cheers, >Mike > >http://dotfile.net/ >mailto:info@dotfile.net ><-------------------------------------------------> >"My zeal to start using Linux is stronger than my >fear of looking like a dummy." --Some Wise Man ><-------------------------------------------------> >Why does Sea World have a seafood restaurant? I'm >halfway through my fishburger and I realize, Oh my >God....I could be eating a slow learner. > > ################### From: JDPDX@aol.com Date: Thu, 6 Jan 2000 17:17:08 EST Subject: Growing Outdoors: Photos I'm trying to tackle a problem. I'm a small grower/reseller of CP in the Pacific Northwest. Most of my clientle are first-time buyers who haven't a clue about how to grow CP, but have had plenty of experience killing Venus Flytraps, and are very well-versed in the abundant misinformation that is out there. They would like to try CP, but are afraid of them. Here in the Northwest, west of the Cascade range, all of the Sarracenia, Venus Flytraps, temperate sundews and butterworts all grow very well in our climate outdoors. It's often hard to convince people of that. I'm looking for photos any of you might have that show CP growing outdoors in bog gardens, container gardens, alongside ponds, on patios, pictures with snow on Sarracenia, hanging baskets, etc... E-mail me if you have anything you would like to share. It will help many people new to growing CP to be successful. I would love to see the day when a small savage garden is as common on a sunny patio as are petunias. Jeff Dallas Sarracenia Northwest ################### From: "Fred C. Heller" Date: Thu, 6 Jan 2000 23:45:14 +0100 (MET) Subject: Belgian Bog garden I have started a small bog garden in my back yard which contains two Sarracenia hybrid, two Sarracenia Leucophylla, Three Sarracenia purpurrea ssp. purpurrea, three Sarracenia psittacina and three Venus Flytraps. It's about half a square meter big ! two third of it are a pond (Where I set some U. Vulgaris) a foot deep, the remaining third is a mix of 2/3 peat and 1/3 sand. The Sarracenia are in the back, a bit higher up, near the water's edge I've placed the S. psittacina and a VFT. The one VFT that was partially shaded by some leaves thrived whereas the one enjoying full sun died. I planted them back in March, and had quite a fit with birds destroying my Sarracenia to get at the insects trapped inside. Then a VFT and a Sarracenia purpurrea ssp purp. died off for no apparent reason. I wanted to remove one Sarracenia psittacina and but it in the garage for the winter but I was too lazy to do it ;-) It's doing just fine ! Actually it kept getting more and more colors with time. My Sarracenia purp. ssp. purp. actually were quite beautiful in October, being green with deep purple veins, but only turned completely deep purple red color in November (I don't know why). The Sarracenia Leucophylla kept look healthy and protrude from the heap of leaves that I set on top of all the bog plants. All are going well . As it is winter I have covered them with a stack of birch tree leaves from my yard, they've been under snow already, the pond has frozen over a couple times (for a few days at a time) but they seem to be doing ok , all of them. I'm not sure if the VFTs are gonna survive the winter here in Belgium but it has been a mild winter so far. I also scattered some D. Intermedia and D. rotundifolia in late September, those come from the Ardennes near Spa, from the "Fagne de Malchamps", those are the wild form ;-) I still have seeds collected in late august and kept in the fridge since if ever... Fred At 14:07 06/01/2000 -0800, you wrote: >Howdydoo, Peter here at California Carnivores. > I enjoy reading about John and Rich's plans and experience with >Sarracenia outdoors in cold temperate climates. I keep getting reports >from customers who tell me things I mentioned in The Savage Garden >concerning cold hardiness. It may be the mild winters of late, but >there are folks as far north as Chicago who have been having success >with Sarracenia in bog gardens outdoors. At the last Bay Area meeting, >Joe Mazrimas showed outdoor bog gardens in Vermont that for years have >had S. flava and other plants survive year after year. Here at our >nursery I've been breeding Sarracenia for cold hardiness. One plant we >have in stock is S. purpurea ssp. purpurea x flava (mature plants for >$20). I also have a single large plant of the Virginia S. flava (not >for sale yet) that I hope to use for breeding purposes. After I >received this clone, I was amazed at how beautiful it is, and very >tall. It's a very veiny form of S. flava, and should make a nice match >for other cold hardy Sarracenia like S. rubra ssp. jonesii and >oreophila. I would like this year to cross it with the purp purp x >flava I mentioned, which is a purple but small plant. > Th-th-th-that's all folks! > > > > ################### From: DGolde1404@aol.com Date: Thu, 6 Jan 2000 18:54:19 EST Subject: Re: CP'ers in Connecticut I live in Connecticut. I would like to create a list of people in the tri-state area who also raise C.P.s. This would be for the purposes of plant and information exchange. Perhaps a mini-symposium could be arranged or a membership trip to an interesting site or arboretum. Please contact me via this list if you would be interested. ################### From: (Howard J. Wu L.Ac) Date: Thu, 6 Jan 2000 20:28:36 +0000 Subject: Growing U. longifolia On growing U. longifolia: This plant grows like a weed for me in live sphagnum under fluorescence. I put some in a tall recycled plastic cookie container then seal it to keep it in constant high humidity. It will fill the container in a few months. However after a point the growth will slow down unless I divided it and give it more sphagnum. While CP's "don't like to be fertilized", obviously they can only get as large as available nutrients allow in a closed system as would any plant. I can see lots of tiny traps along the sides of the container over time so it must be hungry for something... Incidently, this strain has never bloomed for me or anyone else I know who had it. However, I have a plant given to me as 'U. endressi' which may just be a 'dwarf U. longifolia.' This plant last summer gave me several purple flowers with yellow on it that looks just like U. longifolia picture in a book. I grew this the same way. Howard J. Wu Bishop Ca. mrwu@qnet.com ################### From: "Joe Harden" Date: Fri, 7 Jan 2000 08:37:52 -0600 Subject: Cocofiber Pots I was in search of some hanging baskets for my Nepenthes x coccinea, and came across some nice ones lined with Cocofiber, which claimes to come from coconuts. I have no idea if this will help my digestive system as regular fiber, but thats no concern... Does anyone have experience with cocofiber & Carnivorous Plants? Joe www.carnivorous-kingdom.com ################### From: "John Green" Date: Fri, 07 Jan 2000 08:59:13 -0700 Subject: S. leucophylla "Tarnok" Is this cultivar very widespread in cultivation yet? I've searched all the web sites I usually frequent and couldn't find it anywhere. I just found some pictures of it last night in an old CPN (Dec 93 - the only year I was a member) and would love to add it to my collection. Thanks, John Green Salt Lake City, Utah ################### From: "John Green" Date: Fri, 07 Jan 2000 08:59:11 -0700 Subject: Re: Cold hardiness Thanks to everyone who responded to my questions. I hadn't even considered the length of the growing season with S. leucophylla, but I'll try it anyway. I'll also take Susan's advice and try to plant the VFTs a bit higher and drier. Boy! Now I can't wait for spring so I can get started on it! > I'm not familiar with Utah winters, but I would think if > you can keep your plants in a reliable state of dormancy > it will help. As for keeping the plants dormant, a thick layer of mulch seems to help. I didn't remove it last spring till the beginning of March, and it was still pretty cold at that time. I'll keep the list posted on what works and what doesn't. I've used regular straw as a mulch the last two years, but next fall I'm going to try to find enough pine needles to cover it over (not too many pines in my neighborhood, mostly spruces). As for Mike looking for a fungicide, I've used Captan (I think) mixing it about 1/4 strength, and it seems to work well without any harmful effects. Thanks again, John Green Salt Lake City, Utah ################### From: "Fernando Rivadavia-Lopes" Date: Fri, 7 Jan 2000 14:06:16 -0200 Subject: More New Drosera from Down Under.... To all, I just received volume 13, number 1 of Nuytsia from Allen Lowrie with several papers of his. All deal with the triggerplants (Stylidium spp.) except for one article about the yellow-flowered tuberous sundews. The title is: "A taxonomic review of the yellow-flowered tuberous species of _Drosera_ (Droseraceae) from south-west Western Australia". Here's the abstract for those interested: "Five tuberous species of _Drosera_ (Droseraceae) with yellow flowers are endemic in south-west Western Australia. They all belong in _Drosera_ sect._Ergaleium_ (DC.) Planchon. Descriptions and illustrations are presented for four of these species: _Drosera subhirtella_ Planchon, _D.moorei_ (Diels) Lowrie _com.nov._, _D.zigzagia_ Lowrie _sp.nov._, and _D.intricata_ Planchon, which is reinstated. These four species are closely related and are collectively refered to here as the _Drosera subhirtella_ complex. The only other tuberous species to have yellow flowers is _Drosera sulphurea_ Lehm., which is reinstated here as distinct from its closest relative, the pink-flowered _D.neesii_ Lehm. Although not closely related to the _Drosera subhirtella_ complex, _D.sulphurea_ can be confused with members of that group and therefore a key to all five yellow-flowered species is provided." So for all of you who have Lowrie's Volume 1, go get your books to take a look at what's new. There were only two subspecies of _D.subhirtella_ in there: subsp._subhirtella_ and subsp._moorei_. Both of these are now seperate species. As for _D.intricata_ (nice name for a climbing tuberous sundew, huh?), this species is now recognized by Allen as being a truly valid species, after having remained a synonym of _D.subhirtella_ for decades. Now _D.zigzagia_ was for me the most interesting part of the paper. This is a truly new species unidentified by anyone else previously. It has a short erect stem (5-7cm) which, as the name says, is zig-zagged between each leaf axil. Now that's what I call an original name for a CP! What a fertile imagination Allen must have to still not have run out of names after so many new species of CP and triggerplants accumulated over these past decades! Anyways, the only part of the paper which was not too clear for me were the changes made to the _D.neesii_ complex. In his Volume 1, Allen included _D.neesii_ subsp._neesii_ and subsp._borealis_. One of the main characteristics distinguishing these two was that the former had yellow flowers and the latter pink. Now in this most recent paper, Allen claims that _D.sulphurea_ (another pretty name I'd hate to see thrown away!) is easily distinguishable from _D.neesii_ because, among other things, the former has yellow flowers and the latter (both subsp.) have pink flowers. Am I missing an article? Apparently, somewhere along the taxonomic line since Lowrie's Volume 1 and this latest paper, _D.neesii_ subsp._neesii_ must have been considered as including both pink and yellow flowered specimens, for the yellow flowered ones to be now separated as _D.sulphurea_. Reading Allen's Volume 1, I see that what he refers to as subsp._neesii_ is what he now calls _D.sulphurea_ while what he refers to as subsp._borealis_ includes both subsp._neesii_ and subsp_borealis_ as described in his latest paper (differentiated mainly by tuber color). Most likely, he must have realized at some point that the yellow-flowered specimens did not correspond to the type specimens of _D.neesii_, but to that of _D.sulphurea_ and that what he called subsp._borealis_ in his Volume 1 included both the type specimens of _D.neesii_ (dark maroon tuber) and subsp._borealis_ (white tubers). Well, either way I'm sure future books or papers of Allen's reviewing other species complexes will clear this story up, as well as continuously add more species to the already humongous list from that CP-rich corner of the world. Best Wishes, Fernando Rivadavia Sao Paulo, Brazil ################### From: Barry Meyers-Rice Date: Fri, 7 Jan 2000 08:21:22 -0800 (PST) Subject: Cold hardy, heat tolerant Sarracenia >year after year. Here at our nursery I've been breeding Sarracenia for >cold hardiness. One plant we have in stock is S. purpurea ssp. purpurea x >flava (mature plants for $20). I also have a single large plant of the >Virginia S. Hey Peter, Meanwhile, in the other direction, I've been keeping my eyes open for plants that survive well in the HEAT! Too many Sarracenia get all ratty and crispy, when grown by desert dwellers. In the next issue of CPN we will have a new Sarracenia cultivar that is a good plant for blast furnace cultivators! Barry ------------------------ Dr. Barry A. Meyers-Rice Carnivorous Plant Newsletter Conservation Coeditor barry@carnivorousplants.org http://www.carnivorousplants.org ################### From: Barry Meyers-Rice Date: Fri, 7 Jan 2000 08:37:08 -0800 (PST) Subject: ICPS pick of the day Hey folks, So I've just been informed that the ICPS site, www.carnivorousplants.org, is the web site pick of the day at http://www.ulysse.net/xtr/ I took a look at the site. Very arty. Very, uh, something. Barry ------------------------ Dr. Barry A. Meyers-Rice Carnivorous Plant Newsletter Conservation Coeditor barry@carnivorousplants.org http://www.carnivorousplants.org ################### From: Barry Meyers-Rice Date: Fri, 7 Jan 2000 09:06:16 -0800 (PST) Subject: Trifid Hey folks Yet another posting.... I just got my issue of Trifid, produced by the Czech society Darwiniana. Excellent congratulations are due to this society. While I cannot read the text (!), the blend of articles looks great. I just love the line drawings in the issue---they have a great group of artists! Cheers Barry ------------------------ Dr. Barry A. Meyers-Rice Carnivorous Plant Newsletter Conservation Coeditor barry@carnivorousplants.org http://www.carnivorousplants.org ################### From: Marianne Perdomo Machin Date: Fri, 07 Jan 2000 17:58:16 +0000 Subject: Re: OOps! I ment U. longifolia >>U. longifolia doesn't have tubers either. Does it loose all it's leaves >>when it goes dormant? > Nor is U.longifolia epiphytic....... > Nor does it go dormant........ > Nor is it exactly tropical (it grows on cool highlands)........ Oops! But it is listed as a tropical epiphyte in "The Savage Garden"... though the intro to the list mentions some of these being highland tropicals [epiphytes]. Is the "dry winter rest period" at least true? Marianne ################### From: jneps Date: Fri, 07 Jan 2000 13:35:54 -0700 Subject: CPN Back Issue Hi, Just wondering if anyone out there has an extra copy of CPN vol. 20, nos. 1 and 2. If so, please email me privately. Thanks! Jeff Shafer ################### From: "Fernando Rivadavia-Lopes" Date: Fri, 7 Jan 2000 18:26:39 -0200 Subject: New Nepenthes species To all, I'm sure all the Nep freaks must know about this one, but here it goes. I've just received from my friend Charles Clarke a paper of his on a new species of _Nepenthes_ from Kelantan, Peninsular Malaysia. It was published in Sandakania 13 (1999): 79-87. The title is: "_Nepenthes benstonei_ (Nepenthaceae), a new pitcher plant from Peninsular Malaysia". Apparently these plants from Peninsular Malaysia were previously refered to as N.sanguinea and may also be confused with N.macrovulgaris. A few of the differences are that _N.benstonei_ may have multiple inflorescences, has terete stems, hairs on leaf upper surfaces, persistent branched red hairs on leaf margins on rosettes and short shoots, and the list continues. There are no drawings, but some nice pics (one in color even). In the acknowledgements, Charles cites my friend Bruce Salmon from New Zealand (Hi Bruce!) as having provided photos and info on the type location, Bukit Bakar. Hey! Bruce and I found this place together during our week-long trip in the area in mid 1997! That was the first time I saw wild Neps. We didn't find many species on that trip, in fact it took us a LOOOONG time to find any Neps at all. The first CP we saw was actually _U.caerulea_. Anyways, _N.sanguinea_ -- now _N.benstonei_ -- was the first and most common Nep species we saw in Peninsular Malaysia, if I remember well. The lower pitchers were especially colorful and some very large too. A real beauty! Congratulations to Charles!!!!! Best Wishes, Fernando Rivadavia Sao Paulo, Brazil ################### From: 8357737 Date: Sat, 8 Jan 2000 21:43:58 -0600 Subject: S. purpurea Hi John, You asked about growing Sarracenia purpurea outside in Salt Lake. I live in northern Minnesota and S. purpurea grows wild here. I don't think you can beat our winters. We often get 30 to 40 degrees below 0 (F) and purpurea does not mind at all. We also get 90 above in the summer, but with very high humidity. If your bog stays humid enough then purpurea should be an easy one for you. Other cp that grow wild here (and therefore are very hardy!) are Drosera anglica, D. intermedia, D. linearis, D. rotundifolia, a cross anglica x rotundifolia, x obovata, and Pinguicula vulgaris. Hope that helps you some. Anyway you can't freeze them out. bye, Anita [HTML file part2 deleted by listprocessor] ################### From: "William M. Gorum, Jr." Date: Fri, 07 Jan 2000 23:56:17 -0600 Subject: Nepenthes questions..... Hey Listmembers.... I've got several Nepenthes questions for you. After posting a question to the list about making cuttings, I decided to try a cutting from my N. alata and my N. gracilis. The advice I got from the list was wonderful...now I'm wondering what to expect next.... 1. i had enough live sphagnum to wrap the stem of the N. alata, but it wouldn't fill the pot, so I filled the pot with long fibered sphagnum. The cutting is about a week old and I left three leaves on it...at the base of each leaf there seems to be a bud sprouting. I know that Neps have dormant buds at the base of each leaf.... Is it normal to have three buds on a cutting? The cutting is growing in the same tank as my other Neps and they're pitchering like crazy, so I know the growing conditions are right. Do need to sit the cutting in water or just keep the moss moist? How wet does it need to be? 2. I read in the SAVAGE GARDEN where N. gracilis can be rooted in water. I didn't treat the cutting with rooting hormone, and I set it in a beaker of distilled water, with only part of the stem in the water. The cutting seems to be fine. Is that a proper procedure? It's in the same conditons as the above cutting. 3. The leaves on my N. mirabilis have turned red. The plant is producing pitchers on each new leaf it grows. It's in a 40 gallon long tank with 4 36" fluorescent lights on it? I'm assuming the red color is from the light intensity. Am I right? 4. I have a N. truncata and a N. fusca that seem to be growing much slower than my other Neps. They're pitchering well, but they don't seem to be acquiring much size....do these two specied just grow slower than others? Thanks for the help!! TTYL and happy growing!! Will wgorum@softdisk.com ################### From: (Howard J. Wu L.Ac) Date: Fri, 7 Jan 2000 22:54:52 +0000 Subject: More comments on U. longifolia More comments on U. longifolia: >U. longifolia doesn't have tubers either. Does it loose all it's >leaves >>>when it goes dormant? >> Nor is U.longifolia epiphytic....... >> Nor does it go dormant........ >> Nor is it exactly tropical (it grows on cool >highlands)........ > >Oops! But it is listed as a tropical epiphyte in "The Savage Garden"... >though the intro to the list mentions some of these being highland >tropicals [epiphytes]. >Is the "dry winter rest period" at least true? > >Marianne Who said the tropics must be hot and humid. This was the mistake that Victorian orchid grower orginally assumed putting their poor plants in hot steamy houses. Then one day somebody opened a window, let some fresh air in and these frail plants prove themselve hardy and easier to care for. Also Rain forest have many different microclimates depending on where in the canopy you are. Near the equator they don't get summer and winter seasons but may have dry and wet seasons. Never been there, but that is what I'm told. I would love to learn more specifics about U. longifolia's ecological niche. If it doesn't grow on trees (epiphyte), how does it grow? For just big leaves it sure has tiny traps. Lack of tubers suggest to me that it doesn't come from a region with a prolonged dry season. My U. longifolia doesn't appreciate low humidity when growing at all. But when well established perhaps it could tolerate it. Maybe this is why it hasn't bloomed for me. Producing seeds sounds like a good strategy for surviving an occasional drought. By the way, does anyone know where one can pick up a copy of Peter Taylor's Monograph on Utricularia? I know it is out of print. Seen a friend copy and I must have one for my very own!! Howard J. Wu Bishop Ca. mrwu@qnet.com ################### From: bruce dudley Date: Sat, 8 Jan 2000 05:17:35 -0800 (PST) Subject: Re: www.ulysee.net/xtr Hi Barry, You're right about this site - very "something", but not family rated! I'm all for free advertising so if they give ICPS nice publicity it won't hurt too much. Strange, though, would carnivorous plant pictures "interest" the person who would look at this site??? I guess maybe some pitcher plants do look,...er, well, you know! Kind of.... like, related to human anatomy. In the distant sense. Thanks for the new web site. Bruce Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com ################### From: "Sundew Sundew" Date: Sat, 8 Jan 2000 11:29:56 -0500 Subject: Germination experiment (Lowrie Drosera seed) My buddy Richard sent me some seed purchased from Allen Lowrie. I'd never done business with Lowrie in the past but heard the quantities were small. Well, they definitely were. I decided that, since I could easily count the seed in each packet, I would try to share my germination results with everyone. I typically get what I would consider excellent germination. I just planted the following seed from Lowrie, number of seed per packet: Heliamphora sp. Neblina, 3 (!!) Drosera kaieteurensis, 15 fulva, Howard River, 13 broomensis, Lake Campion, 40 kennyalli, Mitchell Plateau, 12 caduca, pink flower, Mt. Elizabeth, 11 derbyensis, Prison Tree, 18 columbiana?, Miranto, 30 villosa, It.Peak, 24 glanduligera, 40 caledonica, 9 :( from other friends: affinis Namibia, 36 hilaris, 20 arenicola, 34 Seed was planted in small plastic cups filled 1/2 way with straight peat moss and then topped off with "no damp off" = dead milled sphagnum. Surface of pots were then lightly misted with distilled water. Cups sit in about 1 cm of water in a plastic container and were sealed in a baggie placed in a dimly lit area away close to my fluorescent light setup. I avoid placing seed pots under bright conditions because slime mold, algae and moss will sometimes grow faster than the CP seed germinates. Temperature for the cooler growers will be 55-75F, temp for the petiolarises, affinis and caledonica will range from 65-85. I hope to have an update for everyone within 2 months or so. :) Happy growing! Matt [HTML file part2 deleted by listprocessor] ################### From: Bryan and Leslie Lorber Date: Sat, 08 Jan 2000 16:32:16 -0500 Subject: Re: More comments on U. longifolia Hi: It's been reprinted in paperback. A bit pricey but well worth it. Try the following site. http://wwwh.balogh.com Regards, Bryan Charlotte, VT " (Howard J. Wu L.Ac)" wrote: > By the way, does anyone know where one can pick up a copy of Peter > Taylor's Monograph on Utricularia? I know it is out of print. Seen a > friend copy and I must have one for my very own!! > Howard J. Wu > Bishop Ca. > mrwu@qnet.com ################### From: Steven Stewart Date: Sat, 08 Jan 2000 17:48:55 -0500 Subject: Heat Tolerant Sarracenia > > Hey Peter, > > Meanwhile, in the other direction, I've been keeping my eyes open for > plants that survive well in the HEAT! Too many Sarracenia get all ratty > and crispy, when grown by desert dwellers. In the next issue of CPN we > will have a new Sarracenia cultivar that is a good plant for blast furnace > cultivators! > > Barry I second the motion when it comes to heat tolerance! I have a few Sarracenia species I've grown with true year around success in the Florida heat. Sarracenia rubra and S.minor will grow well. My S.leucophylla and S.flava grow beautifully, but I rarely get any flowers. The most tolerant all-round Sarracenia I have is the hybrid S. x formosa (S.minor x S.psittacina). I don't know about it's cold tolerance levels, but it will grow as an emergent aquatic for months at a time and isn't picky about the kind water as much as most Sarr.. Now I want heat tolerant Darlingtonia, Nepenthes villosa, N. rajah,... If you all could work on that I would like it very much!! Take care, Steven Stewart I.B.W. Enterprises Inc. Sanford, Fl ################### From: Steven Stewart Date: Sat, 08 Jan 2000 17:58:12 -0500 Subject: Nepenthes in Peat-sand I recall Dr. Shafer wrote of growing Nepenthes rajah in peat-sand. Do you, or does anyone grow any other Nepenthes species in this mix? I have grown many N.ventricosa in peat-sand, but the one N.rafflesiana I tried did not like it a bit. Take care, Steven Stewart Sanford, Fl. ################### From: "Fred C. Heller" Date: Sun, 9 Jan 2000 01:20:54 +0100 (MET) Subject: Re: Nepenthes in Peat-sand I've transplated a small Nepenthes vieillardii in a peat/sand mix 2/1 and it's thriving ! It's still quite small (traps 7 mm tall 3-4 wide) but has six-eight traps. I've put it in an incubator, a kindo small greenhouse. The mother plant is still in its pot, Ithink it's nealry pure peat, it's near a west facing windowsill and is thriving as well. Fred At 14:56 08/01/2000 -0800, you wrote: >I recall Dr. Shafer wrote of growing Nepenthes rajah in peat-sand. Do >you, or does anyone grow any other Nepenthes species in this mix? I have >grown many N.ventricosa in peat-sand, but the one N.rafflesiana I tried >did not like it a bit. >Take care, >Steven Stewart >Sanford, Fl. > > ################### From: Steve Hinkson Date: Sat, 08 Jan 2000 17:26:45 -0800 Subject: Blast Furnace? "we will have a new Sarracenia cultivar that is a good plant for blast furnace cultivators!" Oh! Barry, that IS good news ! *Grin* Post it here, as well? Some of us don't do hard copies...LOL, I'm begining to forget how to use a pen ! Steve Drop by and see me at : http://www.geocities.com/HotSprings/Spa/6811 ################### From: CMcdon0923@aol.com Date: Sat, 8 Jan 2000 23:39:00 EST Subject: Cp and Fire Ants... I live just north of Dallas, and naturally we have LOTS of 'em here. And while the little *&%$@#'s may be beneficial to our CP from a nutritional point (haven't noticed any in mine). Until I moved to Texas three years ago (from Pennsylvania), I couldn't understand how something like an iddy-biddy ANT could receive so much attention. Trust me, they deserve it! Remember this rule: Fire ants MUST die the most painful, horrific, sadistic, prolonged, and excruciating death possible. If you've ever been bitten by one, I'm sure you agree. Fire ants....God's way of saying....."Size doesn't matter." Craig McDonald Frisco, Texas ################### From: Tim Malcolm Date: Sat, 8 Jan 2000 23:31:20 -0800 (PST) Subject: Re: More comments on U. longifolia Taylor's monograph is also available from the Kew website at www.rbgkew.org.uk. I got my copy there. The service wasn't that great, but the price might be better, depending on where you're ordering from. ------------------------ Tim Malcolm malcol01@camosun.bc.ca ################### From: "Mauro" Date: Sun, 9 Jan 2000 12:31:44 -0200 Subject: "Keiki on Dionaea flower stem" Sorry for the orchid term, but my Dionaeas are growing small plants in their flower stems, is this a normal behavior? I've posted a few video captures of them in my PhotoPoint album: http://albums.photopoint.com/j/AlbumList?u=20946 Mauro Peixoto [HTML file part2 deleted by listprocessor] ################### From: Amy Ritchie Date: Sun, 9 Jan 2000 20:33:59 -0500 (EST) Subject: changing emails Hi all, I'm in the process of changing my email address. I want to have the CP digest sent to my new address. But I can't remember how to subscribe! Please tell me what email address to write to to subscribe, and what I write. Thanks, Amy P.S. Just to let you know ahead of time, my new address will be carnivorous_plant@yahoo.com The reason I am changing is because I have had lots and lots of problems with Juno lately. ################### From: "Steve Alton" Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2000 11:41:52 -0000 Subject: A seed supplier Dear All, Has anybody else had any experience of Doug and Vivi Rowland, who trade out of Kempston, Bedford, UK? They mostly deal in seed of cacti and succulents, but have a very nice list of CPs, with the emphasis on Drosera and Utrics. However, the last batch of seed I had from them gave me very poor germination results. This could, of course, just be me! Anybody else had anything from them? PS - if Andrew Bate would like the details for UK Resources page, let me know, huh? Steve Steve Alton UK Co-ordinator - Millennium Seed Bank Royal Botanic Gardens, Kew Wakehurst Place Tel: 01444 894079 Fax: 01444 894069 ################### From: "Philip Semanchuk" Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2000 10:12:51 -0500 Subject: Re: "Keiki on Dionaea flower stem" >Sorry for the orchid term, but my Dionaeas are growing small plants >in their flower stems, is this a normal behavior? Hi Mauro, This isn't normal, but it is not unheard of either. If you lay the flower stem down on some sphagnum (you may need to weigh it down with a pebble or twig), the plantlets should take root. Good growing, ################### From: "Sam Vanderstraeten" Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2000 16:01:10 +0100 Subject: Sarracenia flava-forms Dear all, I'm a CP enthousiast for about 6 years and I like Sarracenia quite a lot. Now I'm looking for as much as possible different S. FLAVA-FORMS and varities. Can anyone help me? If you do, you can always mail me personally ( Samvds@hotmail.com ). If have quite a lot plants for exchange (you can always ask me my list.) Thanks in advance. Sam. [HTML file part2 deleted by listprocessor] ################### From: Barry Meyers-Rice Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2000 10:53:51 -0800 (PST) Subject: ICPS on adult site, heat resistent Sarracenia > You're right about this site - very "something", but > not family rated! I'm all for free advertising so if > they give ICPS nice publicity it won't hurt too much. > Strange, though, would carnivorous plant pictures > "interest" the person who would look at this site??? > I guess maybe some pitcher plants do look,...er, well, > you know! Kind of.... like, related to human anatomy. Hey Bruce, I'll admit I barely looked at the site that highlighted the ICPS. If it leans towards the "adult" side I missed out on that part. (dang) It just struck me as a very arty site, sort of full of itself. They didn't ask us for permission for the link, the just told me about it. Ah well. As to the heat tolerant Sarracenia I mentioned recently, a few of you have asked me to preprint the article that will appear in CPN. But, as I jokingly chided in a few private emails, why not join the ICPS so you can read the description yourself! But to satisfy your curiosity in the short term, I have a photo of the cultivar at: http://www.sarracenia.com/photos2/shyb08.jpg (I'd look tonight, if I were you, the net is so slow I'm getting access error messages just looking at my own sites right now!). Barry ------------------------ Dr. Barry A. Meyers-Rice Carnivorous Plant Newsletter Conservation Coeditor barry@carnivorousplants.org http://www.carnivorousplants.org ################### From: "Dickon Worsley" Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2000 14:32:03 -0500 Subject: change of address Hi everybody, We just wanted to let you know that we have changed our e-mail address effective immediately. Here's the new address, so you may update your address books. dworsley@idirect.com Thanks! Dickon, Cathy & Audra ################### From: "Greg Bourke" Date: Tue, 11 Jan 2000 10:13:14 EST Subject: re:Nepenthes in sand I grow N. rajah, N. mirabilis, and N. mirabilis hybrids in peat/sand with good results. They grow outside in a bog garden with Cephalotus, Dionaea, and Drosera. The Nepenthes are in a raised section roughly 3 inches above the Drosera. Temperatures range from 2-18 celsius in winter and 15-35 celsius in summer. It takes a few seasons for Lowlands to adjust but they grow well in summer. Other Nep's that should grow in peat/sand: N. bicalcarata, N. gracilis, N. ampullaria + their hybrids. Good luck! ################### From: "Paul Edwards" Date: Tue, 11 Jan 2000 10:41:08 +1100 Subject: Hot Houses After much negotiation with my wife (sometimes they really don't understand the important things in life - sigh), I've got the approval for a new bigger hot house. Which possibly opens a new area of discussion. Just how do we get our spouses to understand us! No, sorry, wrong subject. That's impossible to answer! What I meant to say was, what's "the best" kind of hot house. (If there is such a thing as "the best") I currently have a plastic house over a metal frame (manufactured and sold in Australia as an "Adlo" hot house). This seems quite good, but does get rather cold in winter, and very hot in the summer. Today's forecast is for low 30s C, and even with my fogging set-up, and vents/hatches etc open, will get to around 40C in the hothouse. The heat isn't a major worry, as most CPs seem to cope with it OK, but is there a better house? Are igloos better, or glass houses, or what other options are there? I grow most varieties of CPs, but mainly Nepenthes. Any advice would be appreciated. ---------------------------------------- Paul Edwards, Bampton Park, Neerim South, Victoria. Australia. edwards@net2000.com.au ---------------------------------------- ################### From: "Andrew Marshall" Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2000 22:47:37 -0800 Subject: website update Hi folks, I have a new website address, new-ish look and new features on my website. It takes secured credit card orders now. The address for your inspection, comment and advice is http://cascadecarnivorous.plant.org There are still a few problems with pictures that wouldn't transfer over. Don't know why but we are working on them. Any advice from the experts on html stuff is appreciated. Best wishes and a flu free new year. Andrew Marshall Cascade Carnivorous Plants ################### From: Steve Hinkson Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2000 23:43:33 -0800 Subject: "Best" Hot House "Just how do we get our spouses to understand us? No, sorry, wrong subject. That's impossible to answer! What I meant to say was, what's "the best" kind of hot house?" Paul: As to your querry about the "best" Greenhouse LOL Perhaps it'd be easier to answer "how to get your spouse to understand? *grin* I guess the best would be clear glass tempered thermo-pane incorporating electrostatic sunscreen. Heated with a forced air furnace equipped with a stainless steel heat exchanger. Cooled by both refrigeration, and on the low humidity days, an evaporitive cooler. Have the glass mounted in an aluminum frame coated with a baked enamel, preferably a shade of white. Don't forget to include a full pressure de-ionization unit to keep the mist system and fog system realitively salt free. But it'll cost 'ya. *grin* Steve Drop by and see me at : http://www.geocities.com/HotSprings/Spa/6811 ################### From: "YOSHIYUKI SODEKAWA" Date: Tue, 11 Jan 2000 20:33:25 +0900 (JST) Subject: Re:"Keiki on Dionaea flower stem" Dear Mauro, I don't think it's normal, but I have ever succeeded in separating the small plants from the flower stems. It kept growing for 2 months to be 2cm in diameter, but died probably because of my cultivation inexperience for VFT. My plants were imported from Triffied Park in Australia. They were named "Royal Red." I planted 6 of them in a large pot. When they flowered, 3 plants had very red plantlets on the stalks. There were 2 to 4 plantlets on one stalk. I waited until the small plants have at least 4 leaves with traps, then separated them with knife. I sterilized the opening and planted in sphagnum moss. Good growing! Yoshiyuki Sodekawa Member of IPS, Japan Yokohama, Japan ################### From: "Stefan P. Wolf" Date: Tue, 11 Jan 2000 16:03:34 +0100 Subject: Re: Cocofiber Pots Hi Joe! > I was in search of some hanging baskets for my Nepenthes x coccinea, > and came across some nice ones lined with Cocofiber, which claimes > to come from coconuts. I have no idea if this will help my digestive > system as regular fiber, but thats no concern... Does anyone have > experience with cocofiber & Carnivorous Plants? Yes, very bad experience! I got one of these cocofiber bricks you can put into 10 liters of water and get a bucket of peat substitute for garden soil. As it has no additives and a perfect structure it was said to promise good suitability for CP after it already was a hot tip amongst orchid growers for some time. To cut a long story short: I killed some CP and I blame it on using cocofiber as peat replacement on these plants. It killed even D. capensis! Later I heard rumour that these coco palm trees store high amounts of salt in the fiber as they grow near the sea. I will not use it again --neither on CP nor in the garden. Best regards, Stefan. -- Dipl.-Inform. Stefan P. Wolf ................................................ mail : Zehlendorfer Str. 69, 24111 Kiel, GERMANY phone: (+49 431) 5973173 * fax: (+49 431) 697568 CP books >> http://www.angelfire.com/de/cpbooks/ ................................................ ################### From: Rich Ellis Date: Tue, 11 Jan 2000 08:27:35 -0700 Subject: CPers near Orlando Greetings all, I will be at a conference in Orlando next week with a few days left over to play on January 21 and 22. Unfortunately this is a bad time to see CP in the wild but I always enjoy meeting with other CPers and seeing how different folks grow their plants. If there are any commercial nurseries or anyone in the Orlando area that wants to get together, let me know at ricell@juno.com or (303) 666-9534. Thanks, Rich Boulder, Colorado http://www.geocities.com/RainForest/Vines/8564/ ################### From: Barry Meyers-Rice Date: Tue, 11 Jan 2000 09:13:21 -0800 (PST) Subject: Seeking volunteer for ICPS project Hey Folks, I have hatched a new scheme for the ICPS, and I would like a volunteer who could follow this up. My last scheme along these lines resulted in the CP Web Ring---maybe this new one can be as successful. I would like to have a photo gallery on the ICPS web site. This gallery would show the work of CPers who love photographing their "pets" in cultivation, in the field, etc. I imagine that every quarter, a new "theme" would be announced, and photographs would be submitted for this. As an example of what I am thinking, you could look at a photo gallery that is run by a group of people dedicated to photography with Pentax equipment. There is the gallery page, and the submission instructions page: http://pug.komkon.org/ http://pug.komkon.org/general/submit.html In order to make this a reality, I would need someone who has the following abilities/assets: 1)Knowledge of HTML, ability to write simple web pages. 2)Can accept/send emails up to 200K in size. FTP a big bonus, too. 3)Good at dealing with (occasionally) cranky people with grace (you'd be representing the ICPS). 4)Willing to work on a thankless task for no money. 5)Having a color scanner would be a plus if some people wanted to submit hard copies. Anyone interested? If not, I will probably take this on myself, but my girlfriend will kill me for taking on another project! Barry ------------------------ Dr. Barry A. Meyers-Rice Carnivorous Plant Newsletter Conservation Coeditor barry@carnivorousplants.org http://www.carnivorousplants.org ################### From: Christer Berglund Date: Tue, 11 Jan 2000 18:46:45 +0100 Subject: Anyone used atapulgit sand for cp's Hi, I wonder if anyone have used atapulgit sand for cp's? The sand is very fine small round grains and light brown in coloration. I have searched the Internet and I only found a Turkish page which mentioned the name atapulgit. Thanks in advance, -- Christer Berglund E-mail: christer.berglund@amiga.pp.se ################### From: "corpin" Date: Tue, 11 Jan 2000 18:47:53 -0000 Subject: cps Dear cps, I am a cp enthusiast, and I would like to receive regular bulletins of the CP digest. How do I go about subscribing to the lists? Best wishes, Colin. [HTML file part2 deleted by listprocessor] ################### From: Marianne Perdomo Machin Date: Tue, 11 Jan 2000 21:51:40 +0000 Subject: Re: More comments on U. longifolia > More comments on U. longifolia: > > Who said the tropics must be hot and humid. Not I! I know about cool tropics from my mother growing orchids. > I would love to learn more specifics about U. longifolia's ecological > niche. If it doesn't grow on trees (epiphyte), how does it grow? Me, too. I searched the web some but didn't get much information. A brazilian webpage (in Portuguese, so it will take me a while to get though it) says it's endemic to Brazil and terrestrial. There are some notes on Utricularia culture, like giving to (mostly epiphyte) tuberous utrics dormancy, which would not apply here. And that many brazilian especies are annuals (U. longifolia, too?). According to it, most especies appreciate plenty of water, and reccomends complete immersion in case of aphid infestation. It also says that U. longifolia leaves reach over 40 cm. (Mine is still tiny but sprouting new leaves, perhaps if I'm more generous with the water) The page in question is at: http://members.tripod.com/hexenmeister/Generos.htm Click on Utricularia, last of the red bars in the menu. The whole site looks good to me, but then I am only just starting with CPs. > For just > big leaves it sure has tiny traps. The page mentions that terrestrial utricularia usually dines on miscroscopic life in the soil so no feeding is necessary. Hope this helps, Now if only anybody could confirm the validity of this information (I may have mistranslated or the author mistyped or something)... Marianne ################### From: JWi5770869@aol.com Date: Tue, 11 Jan 2000 18:51:29 EST Subject: Re Doug & Vivi Rowland seeds Steve and all, You wrote: Dear All, Has anybody else had any experience of Doug and Vivi Rowland, who trade out of Kempston, Bedford, UK? They mostly deal in seed of cacti and succulents, but have a very nice list of CPs, with the emphasis on Drosera and Utrics. However, the last batch of seed I had from them gave me very poor germination results. This could, of course, just be me! Anybody else had anything from them? Yes I've had plenty of seed of them in the past and have to conclude that either they are as bad as the rest or that its me.The fact that I'm going to use GA3 this year must give you some idea that I think its me. John Wilden Southport Lancs. UK ################### From: JWi5770869@aol.com Date: Tue, 11 Jan 2000 18:53:58 EST Subject: Hothouse Dear all, >Today's forecast is for low 30s C, and even with my fogging set-up, and vents/hatches etc open, will get to around 40C in the hothouse >Are igloos better No they melt in the heat Sorry couldn't resist it!! John Wilden Southport Lancs. UK ################### From: JWi5770869@aol.com Date: Tue, 11 Jan 2000 19:00:25 EST Subject: U Monanthos Dear All, Reading in Lowrie's excellent Volume 3 he seems to be classing U.Monanthos with Dros. Arcturi (sorry if the spelling is a bit off) in that they both either require cold before germination in the Spring or are at least able to tolerate it. Has anybody had a go at cold-treatment of U. Monanthos seed prior to sowing and was the germination successful or do you specifically need the seed from New Zealand as opposed to Australia. Has anybody had any success germinating this Utric and what were your methods? Thanks. John Wilden Southport Lancs. UK ################### From: "Paul Edwards" Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2000 13:55:10 +1100 Subject: Re: "Best" Hot House Sounds great. Where do I get one? And how much change out of $1,000? Will you talk my wife into it? Paul PS: Thanks to all the other comedians out there. You really made my day! :-) ----- Original Message ----- To: Multiple recipients of list Sent: Tuesday, January 11, 2000 6:54 PM > "Just how do we get > our spouses to understand us? No, sorry, wrong subject. > That's impossible to answer! What I meant to > say was, what's "the best" kind of hot house?" > > Paul: > As to your querry about the "best" Greenhouse LOL Perhaps it'd be easier to > answer "how to get your spouse to understand? *grin* > > I guess the best would be clear glass tempered thermo-pane incorporating > electrostatic > sunscreen. Heated with a forced air furnace equipped with a stainless steel heat > exchanger. > Cooled by both refrigeration, and on the low humidity days, an evaporitive > cooler. > Have the glass mounted in an aluminum frame coated with a baked enamel, > preferably a shade of white. > Don't forget to include a full pressure de-ionization unit to keep the mist > system and fog system realitively salt free. > > But it'll cost 'ya. > *grin* > Steve > > Drop by and see me at : > http://www.geocities.com/HotSprings/Spa/6811 > > ################### From: Hayes7@aol.com Date: Tue, 11 Jan 2000 23:09:23 EST Subject: Re: Seeking volunteer for ICPS project Barry, >I would like to have a photo gallery on the ICPS web site. This gallery >would show the work of CPers who love photographing their "pets" in >cultivation, in the field, etc. ~snip~ > Anyone interested? If not, I will probably take this on myself, but my > girlfriend will kill me for taking on another project! Perhaps this may become too much for one person to handle, but I volunteer to start the effort anyway. We have a scanner & an ftp site available for image uploads as well.... If anybody else wants to lend a hand on this, please drop Barry and I a note. Take care & keep on growing, Thomas Hayes DANGEROUS PLANTS www.dangerousplants.com ################### From: "Richard Jobson" Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2000 15:27:14 +1100 Subject: U. monanthos germination Dear John, After one month U. monanthos (NZ), U. violacea, and U. benthamii seed have just germinated. Seed were obtained from Allan Lowrie and placed onto wet river sand in a shaded (50%) and cool glasshouse (15 - 30 C). I did not treat the seed in any way. Hoping all the other species follow suit. Best, Richard J. P.S I recently germinated seed of true U. endresii (using the peat tea in a tube method) obtained from Cambrian Carnivors - I currently have the seedlings growing in two pots - one pure spaghnum the other peat/sand. Seems to do well in both substrates. ################### From: Phil Wilson Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2000 10:06:44 +0000 Subject: Re: U Monanthos John, >Reading in Lowrie's excellent Volume 3 he seems to be classing >U.Monanthos with Dros. Arcturi (sorry if the spelling is a bit off) in >that they both either require cold before germination in the Spring or >are at least able to tolerate it. Has anybody had a go at >cold-treatment of U. Monanthos seed prior to sowing and was the >germination successful or do you specifically need the seed from New >Zealand as opposed to Australia. Has anybody had any success >germinating this Utric and what were your methods? > Fresh seed of U. monanthos germinates without any cold treatment. I sow the seed in the spring and get germination within a few weeks. Nothing more complicated than that. Regards, Phil Wilson Email: cp@pwilson.demon.co.uk ################### From: S.Ippenberger@t-online.de (Ippenberger) Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2000 12:30:32 +0100 Subject: Re: U. monanthos > > Last spring I sowed NZ U. monanthos seeds onto pure peat. One batch was kept under high humidity in a normal heated room (windowsill), the other one outside in the garden. The second one got temperatures down to +5\260C but no frost. Both germinated within 4-6 weeks. Stefan > Dear All, > Reading in Lowrie's excellent Volume 3 he seems to be classing U.Monanthos > with Dros. Arcturi (sorry if the spelling is a bit off) in that they both > either require cold before germination in the Spring or are at least able to > tolerate it. > Has anybody had a go at cold-treatment of U. Monanthos seed prior to sowing > and was the germination successful or do you specifically need the seed from > New Zealand as opposed to Australia. > Has anybody had any success germinating this Utric and what were your methods? > > Thanks. > > John Wilden > Southport > Lancs. > UK > > ------------------------------ > > Topic No. 13 > > Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2000 13:55:10 +1100 > From: "Paul Edwards" > To: "CP List" > Subject: Re: "Best" Hot House > Message-ID: <001801bf5ca8$88dfe960$641657cb@ibm9068k73> > > > Sounds great. > Where do I get one? And how much change out of $1,000? > Will you talk my wife into it? > > Paul > > PS: Thanks to all the other comedians out there. You really made my day! :-) > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Steve Hinkson > To: Multiple recipients of list > Sent: Tuesday, January 11, 2000 6:54 PM > Subject: "Best" Hot House > > > > "Just how do we get > > our spouses to understand us? No, sorry, wrong subject. > > That's impossible to answer! What I meant to > > say was, what's "the best" kind of hot house?" > > > > Paul: > > As to your querry about the "best" Greenhouse LOL Perhaps it'd be easier > to > > answer "how to get your spouse to understand? *grin* > > > > I guess the best would be clear glass tempered thermo-pane incorporating > > electrostatic > > sunscreen. Heated with a forced air furnace equipped with a stainless > steel heat > > exchanger. > > Cooled by both refrigeration, and on the low humidity days, an evaporitive > > cooler. > > Have the glass mounted in an aluminum frame coated with a baked enamel, > > preferably a shade of white. > > Don't forget to include a full pressure de-ionization unit to keep the > mist > > system and fog system realitively salt free. > > > > But it'll cost 'ya. > > *grin* > > Steve > > > > Drop by and see me at : > > http://www.geocities.com/HotSprings/Spa/6811 > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Topic No. 14 > > Date: Tue, 11 Jan 2000 23:09:23 EST > From: Hayes7@aol.com > To: cp@opus.hpl.hp.com > Subject: Re: Seeking volunteer for ICPS project > Message-ID: > > Barry, > > >I would like to have a photo gallery on the ICPS web site. This gallery > >would show the work of CPers who love photographing their "pets" in > >cultivation, in the field, etc. > > ~snip~ > > > Anyone interested? If not, I will probably take this on myself, but my > > girlfriend will kill me for taking on another project! > > Perhaps this may become too much for one person to handle, but I volunteer to > start the effort anyway. We have a scanner & an ftp site available for > image uploads as well.... If anybody else wants to lend a hand on this, > please drop Barry and I a note. > > Take care & keep on growing, > > Thomas Hayes > > DANGEROUS PLANTS > > www.dangerousplants.com > > ------------------------------ > > End of CP Digest 2063 > ********************* ################### From: "Sundew Sundew" Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2000 08:43:16 -0500 Subject: P.sp.Pachuca = emarginata?? Hey Ping Experts, I've noticed a good deal of similarity between the foliage of plants I have labelled as sp Pachuca and emarginata. I have yet to see either flower but was wondering if these are related or possibly the same? Thanks! Matt [HTML file part2 deleted by listprocessor] ################### From: Paul C Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2000 08:47:19 -0800 Subject: Sarracenia leucophylla Does anyone out there have any seed or plants of Sarracenia luecophylla available for sale or trade. The only thing I have to trade would be fresh trimmed tips of spagnum. US only, please. Respond to prc@gbso.net. Thanks, Paul C. ################### From: Tom Massey Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2000 10:08:34 -0500 Subject: RE: Sarracenia leucophylla Send me your address and i will send you seed. No need for trade. Tom in Fl. On Wednesday, January 12, 2000 9:32 AM, Paul C [SMTP:prc@gbso.net] wrote: > Does anyone out there have any seed or plants of Sarracenia > luecophylla available for sale or trade. The only thing I have to > trade would be fresh trimmed tips of spagnum. US only, please. > Respond to prc@gbso.net. > > Thanks, > > Paul C. > > ################### From: SCHLAUER@chemie.uni-wuerzburg.de Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2000 16:37:10 Subject: Re: P.sp.Pachuca = emarginata?? Dear Matt, > I've noticed a good deal of similarity between the foliage of plants > I have labelled as sp Pachuca and emarginata. I have yet to see > either flower but was wondering if these are related or possibly the > same? There is at least one species in cultivation called "Pachuca" that is not even remotely related to _P. emarginata_ but a fairly close relative of _P. moranensis_ (belonging to another subgenus). Do not rely on leaf morphology alone for the identification of _Pinguiculae_. You will have to wait for flowers. In the second round I expect lots of _P. moranensis_ relatives in the market labeled "P. emarginata" as a nice substitute for the useless/undefined "Pachuca". This case is another fine example why bogus names are such a pain. My tip (not a really new one): do *not* use bogus nomenclature at all. Kind regards Jan ################### From: "Sundew Sundew" Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2000 11:02:31 -0500 Subject: Re: Re: P.sp.Pachuca = emarginata?? Hi Jan, It's funny how all these years I thought there was a major problem with false identification of Drosera in collections when it recently became apparent to me (upon visiting a friend with a terrific Mexican and other Ping collection - you know who you are! and get ready to send me those plants!) that there's definitely more confusion with Pings. The reason I asked whether the 2 were similar or the same was because the red coloration on the edge of the leaf only close to the center of the plant, which I was told was characteristic of this sp. Pachuca, is also present on what I received from another grower (thanks, you know who!) as emarginata. The only difference other than that is the "emarginata" have more red coloration. Oh well. Thanks for the response! Matt ----- Original Message ----- To: Sundew Sundew ; ; Sent: Wednesday, January 12, 2000 4:37 PM > Dear Matt, > > > I've noticed a good deal of similarity between the foliage of plants > > I have labelled as sp Pachuca and emarginata. I have yet to see > > either flower but was wondering if these are related or possibly the > > same? > > There is at least one species in cultivation called "Pachuca" that is > not even remotely related to _P. emarginata_ but a fairly close > relative of _P. moranensis_ (belonging to another subgenus). Do not > rely on leaf morphology alone for the identification of _Pinguiculae_. > You will have to wait for flowers. > > In the second round I expect lots of _P. moranensis_ relatives in the > market labeled "P. emarginata" as a nice substitute for the > useless/undefined "Pachuca". This case is another fine example why > bogus names are such a pain. My tip (not a really new one): do *not* > use bogus nomenclature at all. > > Kind regards > Jan > ################### From: Ivan Snyder Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2000 09:31:06 -0800 Subject: U. monanthos germination Hi John and all, John Wilden wrote: >Has anybody had a go at cold-treatment of U. Monanthos seed prior to sowing >and was the germination successful or do you specifically need the seed from >New Zealand as opposed to Australia. >Has anybody had any success germinating this Utric and what were your methods? I got seed of this species from Brian Quinn in New Zealand. The seed germinated without cold stratification for me. I simply sowed the seed in an already established pot of peat/sand next to something else, no special treatment. I think it took about 3-4 weeks to germinate. The plant grew well and interestingly made traps on top of the soil which looked like tiny Cephalotus pitchers. I had read that a particular form flowers often, I must have gotten another since mine never flowered and so I gave up on the plant. I have tried germinating seed of D. arcturi and D. stenopetala, two species which grow along with U. monanthos, and used every trick I could think of including cold stratification, freezing, GA3, etc. but had no luck. My guess is these just take a year to sprout. Ivan Snyder Hermosa Beach California ________________________________________________________________ YOU'RE PAYING TOO MUCH FOR THE INTERNET! Juno now offers FREE Internet Access! Try it today - there's no risk! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. ################### From: "Joseph Kinyon" Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2000 10:30:43 -0800 Subject: staghorn fern An off topic subject Hello folks, I have recieved a staghorn fern and their is no staghorn fern listserve to join! (grin) Can anyone offer some beyond basic growing tips. E-mail me directly on this subject. Also, I started building a 10 x 5 foot green house out of windows from Building Resources in San Francisco. For a few dollars I bought obscure glass sash windows in a redwood frame. They are large windows salvaged from a chuch in San Francisco. With the studs I salvaged (with permission of course) from a local remodeling project, I am building this out of completely recycled materials--except for the brass hardware. I believe the whole project will cost $120 to finish (the hardware being a significant portion of the budget). I did see several sliding glass doors in aluminum frames for *cheap*. You could quickly frame four windows into an insulated box. Just add shelves roof and gravel. You can add the biodome-technology others posted as you see fit. (I challenge you to run it off solar power, for a stand alone off the grid system) Are they tearing any hotels down near you? You could get a whole bunch and go modular. Joseph Kinyon ################### From: "Dave Evans" Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2000 22:36:20 -0500 Subject: Re: Cold/Hot hardiness? Hi Rich, > I recall Dave Evans did quite well with > S. leuco in New Jersey however. Yeah, _Sarracenia leucophylla_ will grow fine, at least as far north as New Jersey. I feel that it's growing season is cut short by the cold. And that's not really the best thing for the grower, since I only get to see the fall flush of pitchers grow for a couple weeks until the frosts come. The fully formed pitchers stay around through December and on warmer days they continue to catch insects while at night they freeze. I think you could grow this species even further north without much ado. I don't mulch, but I do have to keep on pushing the rhizomes and hibernaculum of smaller plants back down into the soil because of frost heaving. Dave Evans ################### From: "Dave Evans" Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2000 22:38:16 -0500 Subject: Re: CP'ers in Connecticut Sounds nice, but who are you? Dave Evans ----- Original Message ----- To: Multiple recipients of list Sent: Thursday, January 06, 2000 6:59 PM > I live in Connecticut. I would like to create a list of people in the > tri-state area who also raise C.P.s. This would be for the purposes of plant > and information exchange. Perhaps a mini-symposium could be arranged or a > membership trip to an interesting site or arboretum. Please contact me via > this list if you would be interested. > ################### From: "Fernando Rivadavia-Lopes" Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2000 11:58:28 -0200 Subject: BRAZILIAN CP WEBPAGE PLAGIARIZED!!!!!!!!!!! Dear friends, I was perplexed yesterday with a message from Marianne Perdomo Machin to the listserv where she mentions a Brazilian CP webpage which I had never heard about. Upon entering the site and later discussing it with my friend Marcelo A.K.Fontana (who did most of the work on our CP webpage), we were aghast to discover that this other site was a perfect copy of the old version of our own page (put together with the help of another CP friend Linilson Padovese), from the pictures and texts right down to the awards won!! The perpetrator appears to be a guy called Daniel Sollazzini Cortez, although he does mention a Marcelo Sollazzini Cortez as one of the "donators" of pictures, along with Marcelo (Fontana), Linilson, and I. Our main question now is WHAT DO WE DO??? And WHAT CAN WE DO??? Is it possible to somehow get this guy's plagiarized webpage OFF the web by contacting the people who run Tripod (where his page is based)? Unfortunately, the smart ass doesn't give his e-mail address on that web page so the only way we can contact him may be through Tripod. Maybe some of you out there have more experience with this kind of stuff and can give us some hints..... This Sollazzini creep says he was responsible for writing everything and putting it all together. He even has the nerve to thank Marcelo, Linilson, and I for helping him by taking all the pictures and goes as far as saying: "Todos textos, fotos, imagens e gif's pertencem por direito \340 Daniel Sollazzini Cortez, a publica\347\343o, c\363pia e divulga\347\343o deles \351 proibida e ilegal, sujeito a multa e pris\343o. Fiscaliza\347\343o constante." Which translates as: "All texts, photos, images and gif's belong by right to Daniel Sollazzini Cortez, the publication, copy and distribution of these is prohibited and illegal, being subject to fine and prison. Constant fiscalization." Anyways, the plagiarized version (it's very slow to download!) is at: http://members.tripod.com/hexenmeister/Generos.htm So for the record, neither Marcelo, Linilson or I endorse anything that's written in the above webpage, although our names our cited by this Sollazzini bastard. The new version of our official Brazilian CP webpage (with new texts and over 900 pictures) is at: http://www.mcef.ep.usp.br/carnivoras/ Only the Portuguese version is ready, but if you wish to see the pictures of plants, click on "Generos e Especies" ("Genera and Species"). There are also many habitat, flora, and fauna pictures if you click on "Habitats no Brasil" ("Habitats in Brazil"). Best Wishes and Thanks, Fernando Rivadavia Sao Paulo, Brazil P.S. A special thanks to Marianne for bringing this fake website to our knowledge! ################### From: Vitor Fernandes Oliveira de Miranda Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2000 12:54:47 -0200 (GRNLNDDT) Subject: Changing e-mail Dear friends, I\264d like to notice you that my e-mail has just changed to: vitormiranda@bol.com.br Best wishes Vitor. ------------------- Vitor Miranda Dep. Bot\342nica - IB Unesp - Universidade Estadual Paulista Rio Claro-SP, Brazil ################### From: Vitor Fernandes Oliveira de Miranda Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2000 13:07:13 -0200 (GRNLNDDT) Subject: e-mail changed Dear friends, I\264d like to notice you that my e-mail has just changed to: vitormiranda@bol.com.br Best wishes Vitor. ---------- Vitor Fernandes Oliveira de Miranda IB - Departamento de Bot\342nica Unesp - Universidade Estadual Paulista Rio Claro-SP, Brazil ---------- ################### From: "Diobel" Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2000 21:28:59 +0100 Subject: Thierry Hello I form part of a Belgian association of carnivorous plants and I seek some seeds to increase my small collection I seek: cephalotus, brochinia, catopsis, I thank you for your answers and your assistance a small mall will make me good for my moral because I for a very long time seek thank you Thierry [HTML file part2 deleted by listprocessor] ################### From: "Zachary Kaufman" Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2000 19:01:18 PST Subject: Light meter I recently came across an ad for a light meter. It supposedly can handle readings from 0-50,000 LUX and has a relative sensitivity of 10 - 100 (degree symbol above the last 0 in 100). Unfortunately these ranges have little meaning to me. I was hoping someone could answer the following questions: 1) What is the conversion between foot-candles and LUX? Is there a meaningful definition as to what 1 LUX is? 2) Is 50,000 LUX a value greater than one would experience outside in full sun? I would like a meter that won't go out of range outside. 3) What does a relative sensitivy of 10 - 100 degrees mean for a light meter? Is this any good? The light meter, from the picture, appears to have a digital LCD display and a separate ~3cm diameter white sensor element. Its seems to be very well priced, but I need to know a bit more before I decide to purchase it. Thanks to anyone that can help with my questions. --Zachary-- e-mail: zkaufman@hotmail.com ################### From: "William Longe" Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2000 23:51:43 -0500 Subject: William Longe/MIA/NTRS is out of the office. I will be out of the office from 01/13/2000 until 01/19/2000. I will be reading my e-mail and will respond if I can. ################### From: CMcdon0923@aol.com Date: Fri, 14 Jan 2000 00:09:37 EST Subject: Solar Powered Greenhouse Fixtures Over this past summer I finally got around to building a modest (8ft x 16ft) greenhouse in my yard. Among the issues I'm still working out is that of ventilation, power, water, and cooling (air temperatures can easily reach 105F higher during July and August). I do not yet have electricity in the structure, and it may be a while ($$$$) before I do. In an emergency, I could run an extension cord from the house (60+ feet), but I would prefer a more "contained" solution. Besides cooling, I need a way to keep the air moving. Right now all I have is the screen door and two smallish windows on the back wall...basically just flow-through ventilation. What I am hoping to find is some type of solar powered fan to mount from the rafters. There is certainly no shortage of ol' Sol around here, year-round. (I tried Charlie's Greenhouse Supply, and while they don't sell them they did give me a possible lead.) Anyone else have any leads.....an internet search on "solar fans" wasn't too fruitful. I would prefer a US supplier, simply for ease of doing business. Sincerely, Craig McDonald Frisco, Texas ################### From: "Joseph Kinyon" Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2000 21:45:46 -0800 Subject: RE:Tripod's copyright policy Hey folks, Content and privilege to use it is something to take seriously. I responded to Fernando and Tripod regarding Fernando's allegation of plagiarism. FYI, all web servers should have an "abuse" section. If you are interested in Tripod's policy, then go to this site: http://www.tripod.lycos.com/membership/signup/tos.html . I appreciate, and benefit from the tremendous work, sharing of ideas, and thoughtful reference to the original work that people make in this cp community. This is just one aspect of the integrity of CP information that we muddle towards in these postings. By upholding this integrity we protect our own voices and work. Thanks for reading my little rant. Joseph Kinyon P.S.: To all those who mailed me off topic, thanks for all the helpful direct mail I've received and keeping the listserve on topic. :) ################### From: "Richard Jobson" Date: Fri, 14 Jan 2000 17:17:18 +1100 Subject: light meter Zachary, A lux = 1 lumen per square meter. A footcandle = 1 lumen per square foot. Therefore 1 foot candle = 10.7 lux and is a measure of illumination. Someone with a physics background may need to correct me but a lux meter measures luminosity and is not very useful in determining available light levels in relation to plant growth. A meter that measures in Micro-Einsteins (micro mole/meter/second) is probably best because it can measure the specific radiation utilized by the plants. One model is the Li-Cor quantum meter LI- 189 - not sure on the price - it may be expensive? However, if you just want a rough idea of light levels in your growing area rather than the levels of available energy hitting your plants, a lux meter is probably sufficient. Depends on your intended application. Hope I've helped a bit, Richard. ################### From: Juerg Steiger Date: Fri, 14 Jan 2000 10:09:49 +0200 Subject: Re: Light meter Hi Zachari 1 lux is defined as the light energy received on 1 squaremeter from a light source of 1 lumen. For German speaking CPers a good survey on 'Lichttechnische Grundbegriffe' is available on http://www.osram.de/produkte/lichtplanung/lichttechnisch.htm For English speaking people search at http://www.osram.com or other manufacturers of light sources. Light meters measure only the total light energy received from a light source but not the relative spectrum distribution of the light source. Human eyes have their highest light sensititvity at a wave lenght of about 550 nanometer, while plants have 2 biologically important peaks around 440nm and again at 650 nm. Therefore for plant growth the spectral distribution of the light source is important. Pleasant light for our eyes may not automatically be suitable for plants. Graphs with the emitted spectrum of different light sources are available by their manufacturers. ATTENTION!! For industrial plant production different light sources are available with particular spectrum peaks enhancing plants growth. But industrial plant production usually deals with ANNUAL plants producing one or more plant generations per year. After the flower or fruit period the plants perish and are disposed. For many PERENNIAL species these plant-specific light sources increase leaf growth and flowering/fruiting to fast, resulting in disturbing the internal watch of the annual growth cycle which is genetically anchored. The results are to early metamorphosis into the winter stage (or from winter to summer stage) and increased microbial infestations. For perennials it is therefore recommended to use light sources with a spectrum which is as similar as possible to the spectrum of normal daylight as e.g. specific metal halide lamps (in Europe e.g. Hitlite HIT-DE dw (5200 Kelvin) made by BLV, or Power Star HQI ../D or HQI .../NDL made by Osram, or Biolux lamps made by Osram ). To measure the total amount of light at a certain place the light meter is certainly useful. If no light meter is available, the built-in light meter of many photocameras may give approximate estimations. Juerg F. Steiger M.D. Institute for Medical Education IAWF Master of Medical Education Program University of Bern, Faculty of Medicine Inselspital 37a CH-3010 Bern, Switzerland Phone: +41 (0)31 632 98 87 Fax: +41 (0)31 632 98 71 juerg.steiger@iae.unibe.ch http://www.iawf.unibe.ch/MME ################### From: "Sundew" Date: Fri, 14 Jan 2000 22:07:05 +1100 Subject: South American Tepuis Dear all I am wanting to obtain some information on the traversing of the Tepuis, esp. Mt Roraima. I do plan to visit South America in the future, so would like some input as to the ins and outs of the region, preferably personal experience. Regards Nathan J. Clemens Bowral NSW Australia "The hurting that we send is so difficult to mend" Peace, Eurythmics ' 99 [HTML file part2 deleted by listprocessor] ################### From: Carl Gustafson Date: Fri, 14 Jan 2000 08:30:12 -0500 Subject: Re: BRAZILIAN CP WEBPAGE PLAGIARIZED!!!!!!!!!!! At 8:49 PM -0800 1/13/00, cp@opus.hpl.hp.com wrote: [snip] > > Our main question now is WHAT DO WE DO??? And WHAT CAN WE DO??? >Is it possible to somehow get this guy's plagiarized webpage OFF the web by >contacting the people who run Tripod (where his page is based)? >Unfortunately, the smart ass doesn't give his e-mail address on that web >page so the only way we can contact him may be through Tripod. Maybe some of >you out there have more experience with this kind of stuff and can give us >some hints..... > [more snip] I'd start by notifying Tripod. When you prepared your page, did you include any author information in the html? If so, download the pirate page and look for any tell-tale marks. That might help with Tripod. If Tripod is unhelpful, the next question is how much time, effort, and money are you willing to spend to go after the miscreant? You need to consider that soon, as this kind of stuff often turns into an expensive battle. Another thing to do is to look into filing for US copyrights. Although in the US you have a copyright from when your creation is put into tangible form, filing with the copyright office allows you to sue for statutory damages, rather than trying to prove actual damages. And the statutory damages are substantial. While you're in Brasil, Tripod is probably in the US, and so you'd need to go after them and their customer in the US. Good luck Carl. ################### From: "RICHARD DAVION" Date: Sat, 15 Jan 2000 00:55:10 +1030 Subject: VISITING RIGHTs Whilst VISITING SITEs Dear All I'd take the plagiariZing of the BraZilian CP WebSite as a complement to it's quality, the integrity of those behind it and as an indictment on the morals of our modern youth. I think the situation will only become 'bizarre' if the mentioned intruder / trespasser turns round and tries to sue those behind the machinations of the site for infringement of 'His' copyrighted photos and information!? We can only hope that the 'good guys' in this scenario have had the foresight to physically copyright all 900 photos if not electronically encrypt their JPEGs. Another notch in the bedpost of the almost outdated SnailMail and GPOs in general!? R-well at least it's an advanced warning / lesson for all us slowbies and would-be WebMasters who haven't as yet 'gotton' around to uploading their uplifting & imaginative WebSites onto the World Wide Web, R but the sheer 'veracity' of the chap somehow seems to make me want to smile. *WinK* WWW ... THE NEW FRONTIER - Loose Rules & No Laws, DAVION |Bb3, B3, D4, F4, F#4, C#4, Bb3, F#3| >(*U*)<>(*U*)<>(*U*)< |C#4, D4, F4, Ab4, Bb4, F#4, Eb4, Bb3| ################### From: Michael Vanecek Date: Fri, 14 Jan 2000 09:23:11 -0600 Subject: Re: VISITING RIGHTs Whilst VISITING SITEs Wrong. Especially when the intruder claims his own rights to the plagiarized material and claims to have created the site himself and threatens legal action himself if someone ELSE copies the site, it definately is NOT a compliment, but outright THEFT. There's a big difference between mirroring and stealing. That a thief breaks in and steals my nice sterio system isn't cause to feel complimented because the thief thought my sterio system was nice. I think this should be fought tooth and nail with no quarter given... RICHARD DAVION wrote: > > Dear All > > I'd take the plagiariZing of the BraZilian CP WebSite as a > complement to it's quality, the integrity of those behind it and as > an indictment on the morals of our modern youth. -- Cheers, Mike http://dotfile.net/ mailto:info@dotfile.net <-------------------------------------------------> "My zeal to start using Linux is stronger than my fear of looking like a dummy." --Some Wise Man <-------------------------------------------------> Why does Sea World have a seafood restaurant? I'm halfway through my fishburger and I realize, Oh my God....I could be eating a slow learner. ################### From: Barry Meyers-Rice Date: Fri, 14 Jan 2000 08:42:20 -0800 (PST) Subject: Plagiarized web page Hey Folks, Fernando's fate with his web page is very annoying, but unfortunately not a new thing. I've had entire selections of my web presence stolen. I encourage everyone with a large web presence to include a clear statement of intellectual property. This helps some... Furthermore, if anyone finds that a person on the CP Web Ring is displaying material that has been stolen, please contact the ICPS immediately. Justice will be swift in these cases. :) Cheers Barry ------------------------ Dr. Barry A. Meyers-Rice Carnivorous Plant Newsletter Conservation Coeditor barry@carnivorousplants.org http://www.carnivorousplants.org ################### From: "Philip Semanchuk" Date: Fri, 14 Jan 2000 16:59:18 -0500 Subject: Re: BRAZILIAN CP WEBPAGE PLAGIARIZED!!!!!!!!!!! > Our main question now is WHAT DO WE DO??? And WHAT CAN WE DO??? >Is it possible to somehow get this guy's plagiarized webpage OFF the web by >contacting the people who run Tripod (where his page is based)? Yes -- email abuse@tripod.com Most domains have "abuse" set up as a standard email address for exactly these kinds of concerns. I'm sorry to hear you've been ripped off. On the CP front -- anyone else in the southeast US worried about their plants coming out of dormancy early as a result of the mild winter? Philip URL du jour: http://www.duke.edu/web/primate/ ################### From: "dick c tran" Date: Fri, 14 Jan 2000 16:46:18 -0800 Subject: sphagnum moss does anybody know where i can get long-fiber sphagnum moss? It doesn't have to be that expensive stuff from new zealand or canada. the purpose of the sphagnum is to experiment in growing beginners orchids. thanks dick tran LYCOShop is now open. On your mark, get set, SHOP!!! http://shop.lycos.com/ ################### From: JWi5770869@aol.com Date: Fri, 14 Jan 2000 20:24:16 EST Subject: Plagiarized web site Fernando and all, Are you sure there's no email address for the idiot that's ripped off your web site? If there is then it sounds like a few weeks of mailbombing might help (hey what are friends for!!). I'm sure that the company hosting the site will succumb to pressure when they see this guy's mailbox explode. Do you know this individual ?Is he trying to scam you or the Cp community at large(is he trying to sell plants etc).I only ask because I don't want to give him the satisfaction of a 'hit' to 'his' site to find out the info for myself. Hope it gets sorted soon. All the best John Wilden Southport Lancs. UK ################### From: Phil Sheridan Date: Wed, 16 Jan 1980 21:26:23 -0800 Subject: Re: Superthrive Hello Folks: We have a question for those of you who use Superthrive on your Sarracenia. Would you please tell us the mixture and frequency you use on your Sarracenia? Also please comment on the efficacy of this material. We are about to start our fertilization treatments at Potomac Elementary School (see the Education section at www.pitcherplant.org) on native Virginia Yellow Pitcher Plant and want to duplicate your treatment(s). Sincerely, Phil Sheridan Director Meadowview Biological Research Station ################### From: "Richard Jobson" Date: Sat, 15 Jan 2000 16:28:40 +1000 Subject: more light meter stuff Zachary, Just to sum up the responses to your question on which meter to purchase - the lux meter measures luminosity - radiation as your eyes see it. While a quantum sensor measures photosynthetically active radiation in the 400 to 700 waveband - that which a plant actually uses to photosynthesise. You could refer to Li-Cors home page at http://env.licor.com/products/sensors/quan.htm Your questions 2 and 3 could possibly be answered by a photographer, but my guess is that 50,000 lux is greater than the luminosity of outside on a day in full sun. And that the relative sensitivity is the angle (10-100 degrees) at which light can be registered by the sensor surface. Best bet is to ask the distributer. Cheers, Richard "the physics flop" ################### From: Steve Hinkson Date: Sat, 15 Jan 2000 02:05:08 -0800 Subject: sphagnum Tropiflora sells long fiber sphagnum online at a reasonable price. http://www.tropiflora.com/ -- Life is either a daring adventure, or nothing... -Helen Keller Drop by and see me at : http://www.geocities.com/HotSprings/Spa/6811 ################### From: Steve Hinkson Date: Sat, 15 Jan 2000 02:16:26 -0800 Subject: ...superthrive... "We have a question for those of you who use Superthrive" Phil: I use a vitamin B-1 solution, only when propagating, or otherwise disturbing roots, not on a regular basis. While I don't believe B-1 has much effect on plants in soil mixes (B-1's available there already) I have found it to help in sterile, soil less mixes, such as is often employed with CP. Superthrive is an awfully expensive form, but I use it at half the recommended strength when I do buy it. ( and I sometimes do, 'cause it's convenient ) Since most solutions of B-1, or in the case of Superthrive, solutions of B-1 and minerals don't come in a dropper bottle, I use my old contact lens solution bottles... Hey! A good point to being myopic ! Steve -- Life is either a daring adventure, or nothing... -Helen Keller Drop by and see me at : http://www.geocities.com/HotSprings/Spa/6811 [HTML file part2 deleted by listprocessor] ################### From: "Cristiano Perrucci" Date: Tue, 11 Jan 2000 07:36:49 +0100 Subject: I: Allen Lowrie's address Hi folks, I'm looking for Allen Lowrie's address and tel/ fax number if possible. Can anyone help me to find it? Thanks for your support Cristiano Perrucci -Genoa- Italy www.gsi.it/terrarium ################### From: "Sundew Sundew" Date: Sat, 15 Jan 2000 09:50:57 -0500 Subject: Re: BRAZILIAN CP WEBPAGE PLAGIARIZED!!!!!!!!!!! Before any more of you share your secret tactics of how to stop this loser who's obviously ripped off Fernando and Marcelos hard work, you should realize that the moron who's going to now be in deep sh** because of this might actually be reading all of your well thought out advice. I urge you guys to email Fernando privately about possible actions he might take rather than posting them to this public forum for this lowlife to possibly see. This way, he won't know what hit him! :) Richard "Davion" F#, F, E, D#, D, C#, C: Copyright infringement is a serious offense. It's DEFINITELY not a complement - it's theft of intellectual property. Knowing both Fernando and Marcelo, I know that both have put LOTS of hard work into what you see on that absolutely fabulous website and that they have dedicated SO much time to it. For you to smile over any part of this situation is absolutely pathetic! I also find it quite ironic that, in your "DECEMBER NEWSLETTER", you claimed disappointment in what you felt was a short supply of images on the Brazilian CP website (what planet are you on?!!) and speculated that Fernando was keeping the good stuff to himself as he must be worried that someone would steal his best work. You also included the same theft=complement nonsense. What's unusual about the whole things is that I received your mass email _just before_ this whole theft issue was called to my attention. Did you hear about this incident before I did or did you possibly have something to do with all of this?! Happy growing, Matt ################### From: (Howard J. Wu L.Ac) Date: Sat, 15 Jan 2000 9:02:21 +0000 Subject: Re: Solar Power Fans I once meet someone would wasn't worried about nuclear winter. He said we could grow ethanol under electric lights which of course would be powered by generators using some of the ethanol we made. I had to explain the absurditiy of this propose, some theory called the conservation of energy. In regards to solar power fans, I doubt this would be a practical idea. Concider that the amount of engery needed to move enough air to be of benifit would be far greater than the amount of sunlight striking the greenhouse. Else air convention from sunlight on the greenhouse would generate enough wind to do the job without any mechanism. Add to this that good solar cells are about 11% efficient, (fans motors are around %90 at best.) I suppose one could buy a large field of solar cells, personally I'd get the cord. There are passive systems that might be of use: Phase change vents that open at a set temperture. Evaporator cooling towers. Even high tech (or low tech) shading of the greenhouse. Howard J. Wu Bishop Ca. mrwu@qnet.com ################### From: "Jure Slatner" Date: Sat, 15 Jan 2000 18:56:07 +0100 Subject: CP in Slovenia (new home page) Hi all ! You are all welcome to visit my home page, the first on CP from Slovenia, at http://www2.arnes.si/~sopjslat/mesojedke . I'm sorry you probably will not understand the text but photos will tell you everything. Jure Slatner ################### From: "Philip Semanchuk" Date: Sat, 15 Jan 2000 14:44:27 -0500 Subject: Re: Solar Powered Greenhouse Fixtures >Anyone else have any leads.....an internet search on "solar fans" wasn't too >fruitful. I would prefer a US supplier, simply for ease of doing business. Craig, If you decide to roll your own solution, Edmund Scientific sells a bunch of solar power mats & cells. You might find one there that could drive a fan that you purchase elsewhere. Good luck, Philip URL du jour: http://www.duke.edu/web/primate/ ################### From: DMFleming1@aol.com Date: Sat, 15 Jan 2000 15:20:54 EST Subject: hello Hi everybody my name is James Fleming I am twelve years old and come from Scotland. I have been collecting Carnivorous plants for a year now. I am wondering if there is any other young grower in this group. Hope to hear from you all soon James Fleming. ################### From: Stephen Davis Date: Sat, 15 Jan 2000 16:17:50 -0800 Subject: Re: Solar Power Fans Try this out. I'm not sure how it works, but it sounds right. However, it sounds too cheap. They also had an outhouse solar fan "Encapsulated rubber and plastic covering protects from corrosive fumes." Just in case you have such a problem. http://jademountain.com/fans.html Sunvent Extract 680 cu.ft. of air per hour from your RV, attic, boat, outhouse, greenhouse, or other too-hot place. Light shining on the built-in solar cell automatically starts a low-noise motor that regulates a multi-blade fan. Extremely easy to install since no wiring or plugs required. Keeps water and back drafts out. Great for a battery room - the more batteries are likely to gas, the more air draws out. 8 1/2" diameter and requires a 4 3/4" hole for mounting. Install in any wall thickness. [HTML file part2 deleted by listprocessor] ################### From: Steve Hinkson Date: Sat, 15 Jan 2000 22:22:01 -0800 Subject: Allen Lowrie's contact info Cristiano: All his contact information is at his web-site: http://www.jps.net/cgardner/allen/allen98.html Steve -- Life is either a daring adventure, or nothing... -Helen Keller Drop by and see me at : http://www.geocities.com/HotSprings/Spa/6811 ################### From: "Andrew Marshall" Date: Sat, 15 Jan 2000 22:33:26 -0800 Subject: Allen Lowries address etc.. Hi folks, Allen Lowries address etc is... Allen Lowrie 6 Glenn Place Duncraig 6023 Western Australia phone 08-9447-7426 fax 08-9246-9335 Best wishes Andrew ################### From: "george anderson" Date: Sun, 16 Jan 2000 07:07:01 -0600 Subject: Re: solar powered fans there is a solar powered fan which is commercially available from LEHMANS, a company which prides itself in being a retro "NONELECTRIC" catalogue company (located on page 113 in the 1999 catalogue). "on a sunny day, this fan can move a lot of air (up to 1000 CFM)", says the ad. it sells for 319$ (fan +solar pannels) which seems a bit much to pay. but i guess that with time it will pay for itself and has the added advantage that the flow rate naturally adjusts to the amount of sunlight which is proportional to the heat generated inside the greenhouse (if the solar pannels are mounted accordingly). most amazing is that lehmans, the nonelectric company has a website: www.lehmans.com . to me, its a strange conundrum. ################### From: "RICHARD DAVION" Date: Mon, 17 Jan 2000 01:27:00 +1030 Subject: THE BEST CP FRIEND I EVER HAD!!! Dear All I'd just like take this sombre opportunity to inform the membership of the Listserve that as of Yesterday evening (Saturday the 15th. of January) Eastern Australian Time My true Mate, Friend and Confidant of five years and past-President and Editor of the well-respected publication "Flytrap News" passed away ,suddenly, at his home in Miranda, New South Wales, AUSTRALIA. I'm very shocked and cut up about this news, and am, still, somewhat in disbelief!!! What hurts me most is that I shall (now) never get to meet (I don't even have a photograph!) the chap I have had so many 3 hour phonecalls with over the years and take this turn of events as a somewhat rude entry into the New Millennium. I shall always remember him telling me of the time when he took out his PC Motherboard, placed it on a photocopier and made a photocopy of it before sending it off to be mended! Suffice to say that when his Computer was returned with a different Motherboard he was able to retrieve the original one via the proper channels! That WAS Dennis, that was the kind of Man he was and that is how and why I shall always remember him. Others will be hard pressed to better him. No editor will be able to match him and no President will be able to fill his shoes. He was Dennis ... a UNIQUE human being. Others may come that will resemble him but none like him will ever walk the face of this Earth again! May His Soul Rest in Peace, Richard ################### From: "Philip Semanchuk" Date: Sun, 16 Jan 2000 11:55:20 -0500 Subject: Re: Solar Power Fans A google search on "solar fans" ( http://www.google.com/search?q=solar+fans ) turns up 17,500 hits. Some of these may help. : ) Philip URL du jour: http://www.duke.edu/web/primate/ ################### From: "Sundew Sundew" Date: Sun, 16 Jan 2000 20:28:40 -0500 Subject: Drosera collinsiae Faryland I've got D. collinsiae Faryland and have noticed that it only grows well for me for part of the year, even though I'm growing my plants under lights. At other times, it just sits there and does nothing. Has anyone else experienced this? Matt [HTML file part2 deleted by listprocessor] ################### From: "Sundew Sundew" Date: Sun, 16 Jan 2000 20:30:21 -0500 Subject: Drosera chrysolepis, stemless chrysolepis, other Brazilian Drosera I've got both of these and would like to swap cultivation tips with anyone else growing them now or who's had them in the past. Also interested in swapping tips on other Brazilian Drosera as well. Matt [HTML file part2 deleted by listprocessor] ################### From: "Fernando Rivadavia-Lopes" Date: Sun, 16 Jan 2000 23:36:26 -0200 Subject: Plagiarization of Brazilian CP Homepage Dear friends, As you may already know, the Brazilian CP Webpage put together by myself and friends Marcelo A.K.Fontana and Linilson R.Padovese has been PLAGIARIZED by a Daniel Sollazzini Cortez. We would like to ask for your support to get this fake page off the web by mailing the message below as a sign of REPUDIATION of PLAGIARISM to the following addresses: hexen@nvc.com.br (perpetrator, Daniel Sollazzini Cortez himself) abuse@tripod.com (Tripod, where his plagiarized homepage is based) abuse@nvc.com.br (NVC, his internet provider) info@cade.com.br (Cade, Brazilian search program where his site is listed) ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Dear sirs, The Brazilian Carnivorous Plant Home Page has been running since December 1997 and is the result of the joint efforts of thirteen people, spreading the word on these magnificent plants. Recently, new texts have been included, as well as hundreds of new pictures -- bringing the total up to 969 pictures. It WAS, until recently, the only carnivorous plant home page on the web written in the Portuguese language, giving out all sorts of information such as cultivation, taxonomy, ecology, and distribution. Unfortunately the above mentioned website has been PLAGIARIZED by a DANIEL SOLLAZZINI CORTEZ (hexen@nvc.com.br), who has CRIMINALLY copied all our texts, images and photos to a site of his own (at http://members.tripod.com/hexenmeister/Generos.htm) and is calling himself the OWNER of all copyrights!! So through this message we ask Tripod to please REMOVE this plagiarized website, NVC to CANCEL Daniel's account, and Cade to ERASE this plagiarized site from their lists. In the meanwhile, we are taking legal action against the perpetrator Daniel Sollazzini Cortez. Cordially thanking you all in advance, Fernando Rivadavia Lopes (fe_riva@uol.com.br) Linilson Rodrigues Padovese (lrpadove@usp.br) Marcelo Andre' Karklin Fontana (makf@uninet.com.br)" ################### From: "Fernando Rivadavia-Lopes" Date: Mon, 17 Jan 2000 12:35:22 -0200 Subject: Plagiarization of Brazilian CP Homepage: part 2 Dear friends, Thanks to another Brazilian CPer (obrigado Luiz!), we now have the info that the plagiarizer's e-mail is probably not hexen@nvc.com.br. Daniel Sollazzini Cortez's real e-mail addresses are apparently: kaiser@nvcnet.com.br and cortez@nvcnet.com.br So for those of you who want to help us get rid of this plagiarized webpage, please send the following message below (now modified) to the following addresses: hexen@nvc.com.br , kaiser@nvcnet.com.br , and cortez@nvcnet.com.br (perpetrator, Daniel Sollazzini Cortez himself) abuse@tripod.com (Tripod, where his plagiarized homepage is based) abuse@nvc.com.br (NVC, his internet provider) info@cade.com.br (Cade, Brazilian search program where his site is listed) Thanks, we're counting on your help! Fernando Rivadavia Sao Paulo, Brazil -------------------------------------------------------------------------- Dear sirs, The Brazilian Carnivorous Plant Home Page has been running since December 1997 and is the result of the joint efforts of thirteen people, spreading the word on these magnificent plants. Recently, new texts have been included, as well as hundreds of new pictures -- bringing the total up to 969 pictures. It WAS, until recently, the only carnivorous plant home page on the web written in the Portuguese language, giving out all sorts of information such as cultivation, taxonomy, ecology, and distribution. Unfortunately the above mentioned website has been PLAGIARIZED by a DANIEL SOLLAZZINI CORTEZ (hexen@nvc.com.br , kaiser@nvcnet.com.br , and cortez@nvcnet.com.br), who has CRIMINALLY copied all our texts, images and photos to a site of his own (at http://members.tripod.com/hexenmeister/Generos.htm) and is calling himself the OWNER of all copyrights!! So through this message we ask Tripod to please REMOVE this plagiarized website, NVC to CANCEL Daniel's account, and Cade to ERASE this plagiarized site from their lists. In the meanwhile, we are taking legal action against the perpetrator Daniel Sollazzini Cortez. Cordially thanking you all in advance, Fernando Rivadavia Lopes (fe_riva@uol.com.br) Linilson Rodrigues Padovese (lrpadove@usp.br) Marcelo Andre' Karklin Fontana (makf@uninet.com.br)" ################### From: Steven Venter Date: Mon, 17 Jan 2000 18:01:49 +0200 Subject: Do I owe you seeds? Hi Listmembers and friends I owe a few of you seeds, but can't remember who! Please let me know if I owe you some, as I have obtained some interesting wild-collected seed. Steven Venter Zululand, South Africa http://goafrica.about.com ################### From: "John Green" Date: Mon, 17 Jan 2000 09:37:48 -0700 Subject: Re: Dormancy (was PLAGIARIZED) Philip Semanchuk wrote: > On the CP front -- anyone else in the southeast US > worried about their plants coming out of dormancy > early as a result of the mild winter? I'm a little worried about this, too. Winter here in Salt Lake City has been very mild lately, with highs into the 60s which has broken records. The golf courses are full and the ski resorts aren't. I have my plants in the basement under lights in a little area that extends under the back porch. It stays much cooler than the rest of the house, but when the outside temps go up, it warms up too. I imagine cold temps will return by the end of the month, but one of the S. oreos has started to grow. I've been trying to used cold water on them, but does anyone else have any good ideas to keep them dormant? On a related note, I mentioned back on October that I'd left the plants outside on a freezing night, and the D. capensis got froze pretty bad. The wide-leaf is all dead up the stem (about 3") but is sprouting a new plant near the base. The narrow-leaf didn't get it as bad, and the top is growing again and has three growing points now. It looks pretty weird. The pygmies all survived and have started growing nicely. The D. aliciae is still alive, but hasn't started into active growth. And one D. binata started to grow next to the old stem, but hasn't done anything since then. Next fall I'll try to be more careful. John Green Salt Lake City, Utah PS. I still have some pygmie gemmae for sale if anyone else is interested. E-mail me for details (hpjgreen@ihc.com). ################### From: "Butler, Joe" <6butler@jmls.edu> Date: Mon, 17 Jan 2000 12:16:07 -0600 Subject: RE: Plagiarization of Brazilian CP Homepage: part 2 I just took a look at the two websites. Although I don't read Portuguese, it's an obvious knock-off. Most interestingly, Cortez claims he GREW the plants pictured in his website, unless "cultivada" means "stolen by". By the way, it appears that Cortez was a sixteen year old kid in November of 1998 when the site was created. http://members.tripod.com/hexenmeister/ If it's true that he's a sixteen (now 17 or 18) year old kid, it may be that the adage "imitation is the highest form of flattery" would be applicable in this case. Joe Butler ################### From: Allan Rossheim Date: Mon, 17 Jan 2000 14:32:45 -0800 Subject: Tissue culture What would be a good "home-made" growing media (need the ingredients) for tissue-culturing CP's such as: Venus flytrap, Cobra plant, and the Pitcher plant's? Thanks in advance, Allan ################### From: Drury Date: Mon, 17 Jan 2000 20:14:30 -0600 Subject: Nepenthes potting questions. I have bought a nice big 10 inch pot for my Nepenthes X wrigleyana. It was a stem cutting, so its stalk ends with an ugly, crooked, old piece of stem. I would like to bury this under the soil level when I repot it. I know if you do this to some plants, it will kill them. So, I'm asking: Can I repot it with the old crown 4 inches below the soil level? Don __________________________________ come visit my new terrarium/carnivorous plant website at http://www.chouteautel.com/~drury-ct/ ################### From: Zbplay@aol.com Date: Mon, 17 Jan 2000 21:55:36 EST Subject: Hello, and need help. Hello, I am David McInnis I am 16 and I live in the Pacific Northwest of the United States. Last spring I bought a Venus fly trap for a school science project. After the project was over it got attacked by spider mites over the summer. I put a little too much Orthene on it and OOPS, good by plant. So, this fall I bought 2 Sarracenia\342\200\231s from the CP Jungle. One Flava coppertop and one purperia ssp. Purperia. They also sent a free flava red tube. They went dormant this fall, and here I am. By the way, on my purple pitcher plant I recently noticed a small (About the size of my pinky finger) blackish, slimy spot in the wall of one of the pitchers. It is not on the surface but has affected the entire thickness of the wall. The spot is considerably softer and more flexible than the rest of the pitcher wall and is slick to the touch. It is only affecting one of the older pitchers. My best guess is that it is rot. My plant is dormant and is currently spending the winter inside my garage and I am keeping the soil slightly damp. Does anybody know what is happening to my plant and how to help it? Sincerely, David McInnis ################### From: JScott9653@aol.com Date: Mon, 17 Jan 2000 22:10:58 EST Subject: sphagnum moss source You can get sphagnum moss at www.mosserlee.com I have purchased both live and dried moss from them. ################### From: Sunpitcher@aol.com Date: Tue, 18 Jan 2000 00:15:30 EST Subject: Re: Nepenthes repotting question Hi Don. I always bury the stem of my Nepenthes when repotting finding it unattractive to have a long, bare leaved stem with a flush of leaves on top. I haven't killed anyone...yet...Good growing. Angie Nichols, SC. ################### From: Steve Hinkson Date: Mon, 17 Jan 2000 23:39:55 -0800 Subject: bitch, bitch bitch Enough, already ! Drop by and see me at : http://www.geocities.com/HotSprings/Spa/6811 ################### From: "Fernando Rivadavia-Lopes" Date: Tue, 18 Jan 2000 09:44:41 -0200 Subject: RE: Plagiarization of Brazilian CP Homepage To all, > I just took a look at the two websites. Although I don't read Portuguese, it's an obvious knock-off. See, even for non-Portuguese speakers it's obvious! Yet we've had no reply from Tripod yet. A friend has suggested I mail to copyright@tripod.com , which I just did. Let's hope this ellicits some response from them. If anyone wants to helps us, please send a copy of that previous mail I sent to the listser and put 'Notice of Infringement' in the subject area. >Most interestingly, Cortez claims he GREW the plants pictured in his website, unless "cultivada" means "stolen by". Nope, it's "cultivated" alright! >If it's true that he's a sixteen (now 17 or 18) year old kid, it may be that the adage "imitation is the highest form of flattery" would be applicable in this case. Don't see how. And can't say I feel at all flattered to have my material used and abused in such a way. Furious would describe it best. Thanks to all for the support, Fernando Rivadavia Sao Paulo, Brazil ################### From: "Steve." Date: Tue, 18 Jan 2000 14:45:06 -0000 Subject: Re: light meter stuff Hi Zachary, On a bright sunny day the illumination can be more than 100,000 lux (about 10,000 fc). 1 fc = 10.764 lux. Steve. I ################### From: "Joe Harden" Date: Tue, 18 Jan 2000 08:20:05 -0600 Subject: Lots of Things... I missed the last 4 days, and it turned out they all had some interesting information...instead of replying to each one individually, I thought I would just stuff the turkey all at once.... Zachary Kaufman: About the LUX meter, please let me know how it works out for you. I found one for sale at $175, and was actually interested in getting it for finishing a report I was writing for Grow Lights. (after that, I guess I could 'rent' it out?) Manufacturers of lights give a measurement of Lumens, and with a conversion formula for LUX to Lumens, I could easily give some more accurate information on all types of Grow Lights. Craig McDonald from Frisco, Texas Howdy there, I'm south of you, In San Antonio. I got a greenhouse up and running a few month ago myself, and can share a few tips with you. If you covered your house in plastic, single or double ply, you may have my problem -- It's getting over 90F in winter, and you NEED that fan on just so some plants won't come out of dormancy. Solar fans may sound great, but you may need it on a cloudy day anyway, when temperatures are still high but no sun is out. As little as you would use it, make sure you get a heater. Electric heaters would suffice, but you got the problem of using them in a humid enviroment. Gas heaters are more pricey, and you better ventilation, but can give you the heat you need for those 1-2 days of bad freezing we already had. To keep high humidity when using your heaters, put a 1-2" layer of mulch on the ground, and water it down well in the morning and night. For really chilly nights, just keep the doors and windows closed during the day and the heat will build up if the sun is out, keeping it pretty warm through the night. Since you are in Texas, you may want some shadecloth for the greenhouse. Even though some plants like full sun, I found over the past two years Texas sun is more intense, and the plants grew better under shadecloth (just as colorful, but less stressed). It doesn't have to be the heavy duty type, just enough to cast a light shade for the plants. If you haven't done so yet, get an electric temperature and humidity meter with Min/Max readings, so you know how you are doing on cold nights and hot days -- it eliminates some guess work when things go wrong. Philip Semanchuk and anyone else worried about the light winters: I'm just as nervous as you about my plants. I did have some plants in my fridge in the garage, but my wife won't let me put everything in there, so I placed many plants outside in the shade (where its over 80F) or under my greenhouse tables...still, some are showing signs of life. The only thing keeping them under control is the low night-time temperatures. My VFT's are starting to come out, and my Sarracenia is already putting out leaves. Droseras are blooming...(sigh). On the good side, business is great at my real job at Mortellaro's Nursery (www.mortellaro.com ) and we are already selling our summer plants now in Janurary...bad news is we would sell out of many things before the summer starts...but good news is we may be in another drought and nobody wants to landscape..... And last, that's a real bite in the ear about the Brazilian website being ripped off. This is common on the web for all types of site, but now it hit close to home for a few people. You can fight tooth and nail to get him off Tripod, but there are many more places he could go to. I'm not saying give up the fight, but just be prepared to fight a long battle. And there are several ISP's I bet he could turn to if one turned him down. The best thing you could do it keep posting in many CP-related places that he is a knock off and a liar, and keep him off web-rings and other users' link pages. Once he sees he can't really get anywhere with his page, it may just disappear into the land of unvisited web-sites. I think I talked enough, so I'll get out of here and back to work. Joe Harden www.carnivorous-kingdom.com ################### From: "Gilles LARDY" Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2000 00:25:50 +0800 Subject: N. mirabilis vs. Mickey Mouse Hi everybody, here is some piece of news from Hongkong and more precisely Lantau Island where I live, where you may know Disney has planned to build its next Disneyland park. This is an excerpt from the South-China Morning post dated 17th Jan available online in full version at http://www.scmp.com/News/HongKong/Article/FullText_asp_ArticleID-20000117012 400414.asp >####Endangered plants found at Disney site### > Groups of an endangered carnivorous plant may be moved to avoid being wiped out by >Disneyland and related projects. >Nepenthes, or pitcher plants, were yesterday examined at Penny's Bay, Lantau by Friends >of the Earth. > >The plants were discovered on a hillside behind a shipyard which will be scrapped to make >way for a water recreation centre, roads and railways adjacent to Disneyland. > >Pitcher plants, listed as endangered and protected worldwide, have been moved once >before - for the construction of Chek Lap Kok. > >Found in tropical and subtropical regions, they supplement their nutrition by catching and >consuming insects or even frogs in bigger species. > >The plant is shaped like a lidded pitcher. Nectar is secreted on the lips of the pitcher to >attract insects, which slide down the slippery surface and are drowned and digested in the >fluid at the bottom of the plant. Only one species has been found in Hong Kong - >Nepenthes mirabilis, which are mostly knee-high and eat insects such as ants and flies. >Officials conducting environmental impact assessments on the Disney and Northshore >Lantau development projects will be required to study ways to protect or relocate any >endangered plants found within the site. > >Assistant Director of Friends of the Earth, Plato Yip Kwong-to, said: "Any relocation >work to be done will have to cover the entire habitat of the plant. The Disney joint venture >company should pay for the relocation cost." > >He also urged the Government to renew its investigation into the plant's distribution in Hong >Kong. > >The Agriculture, Fisheries and Conservation Department said a study on pitcher plants a >few years ago found them distributed widely on Lantau and in Tai Lam and Castle Peak in >the northwest New Territories. > >The department's senior endangered species protection officer, Lay Chik-chuen, said some >pitcher plants threatened by the airport had been moved to other parts of north Lantau. > >Despite rapid urbanisation, Mr Lay believed the plants were in no danger of extinction in >Hong Kong. It is a shame the HK authorities do not show the same zeal in protecting the habitats of other less mediatic although much rarer species such as D. indica and D. oblanceolata, and stop illegal collection an open reselling of the local orchid species.... Gilles in HK www.byblis.com ################### From: "Steve Klitzing" Date: Tue, 18 Jan 2000 09:56:42 PST Subject: CP's and orchids in Australia Hi all: I just got back from a 6-week vacation to Australia, New Zealand, and Fiji. I'd just like to say I enjoyed to botanical gardens in Cairns, Queensland. I met the guy who takes care of the CP collection there, though I can't recall his name. He had a great collection of Nepenthes hanging in baskets in an outdoor semi-shaded lathe area. If you ever go to Cairns, the botanical garden is a fun place to visit and also free. Didn't get a chance to visit Western Australia and Allen Lowrie's, but hope to do so on my next trip. In Queensland, I visited several commercial orchid farms...all small places and Mom and Pop type operations. I found out there used to be 20 orchid growers in Queensland, but it is now reduced to 3. It seems that Australia requires the gassing of all orchids coming into and going out of Queensland...and I suppose that may also apply to CPs. So, most of the growers went out of business because gassing is expensive, especially for small orders. That, and most people living locally aren't into the growing of rare plants, just low maintenance plants. And they don't have time for orchids or CPs. One nice thing I did notice. In the national parks and preserves, there were a good number of huge staghorn ferns, of many different varieties, all growing on trees in the tropics. It was nice to see how they really grow in nature, rather than seeing them on a slab of cork or a board. Again, because starghorns are considered endangered, along with their forests, the Australians don't allow them to be shipped out of the country. ---Steve Klitzing ################### From: S.Ippenberger@t-online.de (Ippenberger) Date: Tue, 18 Jan 2000 22:03:45 +0100 Subject: DroseraXanglica Hi all, beeing really impressed by the D. anglica vs. D.X anglica article in the last CP Newsletter (very good work) I am looking for winterbuds of the real Drosera X anglica (sterile hybrid). If anybody is out there willing to trade this hybrid I am sure we can work out a deal. I can offer European CP (winterbuds or seeds), Genlisea, U. humboldtii and some more. Please email me privately. Stefan ################### From: Brewer Charles E PHDN Date: Tue, 18 Jan 2000 17:56:22 -0500 Subject: RE: Regarding Superthrive Phil and others, I have used Superthrive for many years now with excellent results on transplanting VFTs, Cephs, Sarrs and house plants. I use ten drops of superthrive per gallon of water and soak the cutting for approx. one hour, then soak the cutting in a fungicide for 5 minutes before planting. I have tried using superthrive as a foliage spray with mix results. I do find that a weak solution of fertilizer sprayed on these plants, during growing season or using the pour through method, works better for me and gives me better results. Hope this helps. Charles Brewer Va. Beach, Va. ################### From: Steve Clancy Date: Tue, 18 Jan 2000 15:25:08 -0800 (PST) Subject: Re: Trails in the condensation on my terraria walls Matt, I get those trails as well. I used to think they were tiny worms, but now I'm of the (untested) opinion that they are the trails left by tiny droplets as they grow and move down and about the glass surface. Anyone else? --steve Steve Clancy MLS, Science Library, Univ. of California, Irvine P.O. Box 19556, Irvine, CA 92623-9556 U.S.A. 949-824-7309 * http://sun3.lib.uci.edu/~sclancy * sclancy@uci.edu *---------------------------------------------------------------------* "For mad scientists who keep brains in jars, here's a tip: why not add a slice of lemon to each jar, for freshness?" *---------------------------------------------------------------------* On Thu, 16 Dec 1999, Sundew Sundew wrote: > I've noticed trails in the condensation formed on the inside of the > glass terraria. At the end of each trail (which almost seems > random) is always something which, without closer inspection, looks > like a little white bubble of liquid or some slimy creature (almost > amoeba like!). Any ideas what they could be and could they harm CP? > Whatever it is is either coming from my water or my soil (or seed!). > I thought it could have been liquid but wouldnt expect liquid to > move in such a pattern... > > Thanks, > > Matt > > [HTML file part2 deleted by listprocessor] > ################### From: "Sundew Sundew" Date: Tue, 18 Jan 2000 20:00:47 -0500 Subject: Re: Trails in the condensation on my terraria walls Steve, Wow, what a blast from the past! I asked that ? a while ago. Anyway, I think its some living thing as I have not seen them in some of my terraria where there's a significant amt of condensation. They also move in all directions... Any other ideas? Matt ----- Original Message ----- To: Sundew Sundew Cc: Multiple recipients of list Sent: Tuesday, January 18, 2000 6:25 PM > Matt, I get those trails as well. I used to think they were tiny worms, > but now I'm of the (untested) opinion that they are the trails left by > tiny droplets as they grow and move down and about the glass surface. > > Anyone else? > > --steve > > Steve Clancy MLS, Science Library, Univ. of California, Irvine > P.O. Box 19556, Irvine, CA 92623-9556 U.S.A. > 949-824-7309 * http://sun3.lib.uci.edu/~sclancy * sclancy@uci.edu > *---------------------------------------------------------------------* > "For mad scientists who keep brains in jars, here's a tip: why not > add a slice of lemon to each jar, for freshness?" > *---------------------------------------------------------------------* > > > On Thu, 16 Dec 1999, Sundew Sundew wrote: > > > I've noticed trails in the condensation formed on the inside of the > > glass terraria. At the end of each trail (which almost seems > > random) is always something which, without closer inspection, looks > > like a little white bubble of liquid or some slimy creature (almost > > amoeba like!). Any ideas what they could be and could they harm CP? > > Whatever it is is either coming from my water or my soil (or seed!). > > I thought it could have been liquid but wouldnt expect liquid to > > move in such a pattern... > > > > Thanks, > > > > Matt > > > > [HTML file part2 deleted by listprocessor] > > > > > ################### From: Sunpitcher@aol.com Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2000 01:20:01 EST Subject: trails on terria walls Hi Matt and Steve. I have those trails too and sometimes can see a little white squiqqly worm like thing at the end of it. I think they are nocturnal and you will have to turn off the lights to get them to come out and go back later and "suprise" them. I believe that they are feeding on the algae and slime that grows on the side of the tanks and are therefore harmless. Any other opinions? Angie Nichols, SC ################### From: Laurent Ide Date: Wed, 19 Jan 00 10:30:01 +0100 Subject: My 2 cents over plagiarization Daniel Solazzini Cortez sucks. ################### From: Dionaea@aol.com Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2000 08:46:36 EST Subject: Re: Trails in the condensation on my terraria walls Matt, Steve, I get those trails as well, and came to the same conclusion. Christoph > Matt, I get those trails as well. I used to think they were tiny worms, > but now I'm of the (untested) opinion that they are the trails left by > tiny droplets as they grow and move down and about the glass surface. > > Anyone else? > ################### From: Philcula@webtv.net (Phil Faulisi) Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2000 06:00:28 -0800 (PST) Subject: re: bitch, bitch, bitch I agree! When I signed up on this listserv it was because a dear friend of mine practically begged me to. He said he was a member of this great cp info exchange forum that had great articles on the hobby. He sent me a few of the past articles last year and it thoroughly peaked my interest. From what I can tell now, he must have sent me articles that were posted during a time when everyone treated the listserv with the respect it deserved. What a pleasure it was to read letters from true cp icons. People that I have read about through the ICPS for the last 15 or so years. Now you've scared them all off with all this battleground bull----. I've been growing cp's for almost 30 years now and at 38 years old I am still growing (hundreds of plants), still learning and still yearning for new information on the subject this listserv was created for. A place designed for sharing everyone's knowledge and field trips and passion for growing cp's. All that has seemed to change so rapidly now. Now when I get my e-mail I cringe when I see I got one from the cp listserv. I know what to expect. I can expect at any given time to see arguments and back stabbing and thievery and just plain old court room stuff that's better left to Judge Judy! Sure you can all tell me to just scroll past all the messages I don't want to read and I do. But why should I have to? Why should I receive 8 or 10 messages and 7 of the 10 are continuations of the same fight, every single day. I don't WANT to have to unsubscribe. I want to come home from work and read great articles of culture and news of new species and growing techniques from Peter and Barry and Jan, etc. OK, so somebody broke the law and stole another hard working cp enthusiasts web page. Let's do what we have to. But please, let's not forget about the material that's the main reason most of us are here. Speaking of which, I am opening my home and greenhouses for refreshments and tours during the convention. I would love to meet some of you, many of which have already made plans to visit me. Let me show you why I love cp's so much. I am more than happy to meet you here for a really good time. You can contact me privately and I will give you directions and information on finding me. I am really looking forward to this. I am ecstatic about meeting people and sharing the passion for these wonderful plants. And it doesn't matter to me if it's in person or via an e-mail listserv! hint, hint. Happy and healthy growing to you all. And yes, justice WILL prevail :-) My appologies to you Fernando for your loss. Phil ################### From: "Fernando Rivadavia-Lopes" Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2000 15:06:33 -0200 Subject: Plagiarism Dear friends, Thanks again to all of you who've helped support our efforts in this plagiarism war against Daniel Sollazzini Cortez. Apparently there's not much else to do but wait for Tripod to make up it's mind, which will hopefully be soon. As for NVCNET (his internet provider), we've already exchanged several e-mails with them and there's nothing else to be said. So if any of you still intend to help us by mailing a complaint to those addresses I'd listed previously, please remove the NVC abuse address (abuse@nvc.com.br) from the list. Best Wishes, Fernando Rivadavia Sao Paulo, Brazil ################### From: "Sundew Sundew" Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2000 12:20:54 -0500 Subject: re: Brazilian CP site Ripoff hi fernando, marcelo, and list, Domain Name: TRIPOD.COM Administrative Contact: Tripod Domain Administrators (TD154-ORG) domadmin@TRIPOD.COM 413-458-2265 I just phoned Tripod and spoke with someone named Neil who told me the proper email address to send complaints of copyright infringement to is copyright@tripod.com. He also said to include your URL as well as the URL of the individual who copied its contents. He says that they will get to your email within a week and that they will notify the member and give him the opportunity to kill the files in question. If he does not do so, they will terminate his account. It is important that you NOT encourage others to complain as well as this will only slow down their response time! :) Hope this helps. Matt [HTML file part2 deleted by listprocessor] ################### From: "dick c tran" Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2000 10:33:23 -0800 Subject: leaf mold hello all, Just wondering if "leaf mold" is the same stuff as regular compost made completely from leaves. Is humus the same stuff? Does anybody have any idea how i can make it? I know Mosser Lee has them, just don't want to go through the hassel of buying it if i can make my own. I do have some ideas, just wants second opinions. Purpose: planning to add it to ceph potting mix to experiment with this year. thanks dick LYCOShop. Thousands of products! One location! http://shop.lycos.com/ ################### From: "It's me again!!! (T. Kowalski)" Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2000 19:54:06 +0100 Subject: Where can I buy seeds of Dischidia rafflesiana or pectenoides. Dear all, I have just cleaned my harddrive and I lost all my contacts. I know there is one guy from the Czech Republic who sells those seeds. If you know him or have any address where I can buy it please let me know. I have already searched cyberseeds.com and nothing. Thank you in advance. kowal kowal@starogard.com Ps. To all CPpeople from my ICQ list please send me any message so we will be in touch again. For the new my uin 2452546 it would be great to have CP growers on my ICQ. [HTML file part2 deleted by listprocessor] ################### From: "Mellard, David" Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2000 16:01:11 -0500 Subject: good to be back/Drosera question That great big government report that only 10 people will read will go out next week so I can rejoin the land of the living. I recently received a bunch of pygmy Drosera and would like some cultural advice on media. I read with tremendous interest, Kris Kopicki's article on cultivation of pygmy Drosera in Bulletin of the Australian Carnivorous Plant Society. Kris gives some wonderful, first hand advice on choosing media for certain species. For instance, I was surprised to learn that a good number of species do better in pure sand. Kris also suggests a substitute for those species that like laterite. His substitute is red loam sand mix. The third media Kris suggests is a peat sand mix. For each of these mixes, Kris lists the species that he knows does best for him in those mixes. One of Kris's points is that while pygmy will grow in a variety of mixes, they grow better in certain ones. Here's my question. I have several species that weren't listed by Kris and would like suggestions from people as to the soil type they are found in or the media people would suggest for growing them. Here's the list: oreopodin sargentii species Lake Badgerup carbarup mannii pynoblasta microscapa Also, does anyone know of a source of laterite in the United States? I'm glad to be back. Thanks for your help, David Atlanta ################### From: Douglas.W.Darnowski@washcoll.edu (Douglas W. Darnowski) Date: 19 Jan 2000 16:53:29 EST Subject: Darlingtonia screenprint There is a picture of a screenpint of Darlingtonia in fruit and flower on the cover of the latest (Winter/January 2000) issue of The Botanical Artist, the newsletter of the American Society of Botanical Artists. They used to have a web site on the Carnegie Mellon Universityu server. Doug Darnowski ################### From: "Fernando Rivadavia-Lopes" Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2000 21:32:57 -0200 Subject: Re: Brazilian CP site Ripoff Hi guys, >I just phoned Tripod and spoke with someone named Neil who told me the proper email address to send complaints of copyright infringement to is copyright@tripod.com. He also said to include your URL as well as the URL of the individual who copied its contents. He says that they will get to your email within a week and that they will notify the member and give him the opportunity to kill the files in question. If he does not do so, they will terminate his account. It is important that you NOT encourage others to complain as well as this will only slow down their response time! :) Thanks tons for the help Matt! I wonder if he really means it when he says that it'll only slow them down, or if he's just bluffing to keep us off their backs. Oh well, since there is a possibility that our complaints could backfire on us and since the guys at Tripod have promised to erase the page in a few days if the creep Daniel doesn't do so, I guess there's no use mailing them anymore. We'll just have to be patient now and see what happens. And when this page does disappear from the web, there won't be any reason left to mail Cade and EscolaNet either, since there won't be any page to link to on the other side (hopefully!). Anyways, thanks to all who helped out and supported us throughout this extremely unpleasant occurrence!!!!!!!!! Best Wishes, Fernando Rivadavia Sao Paulo, Brazil ################### From: jneps Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2000 18:56:43 -0700 Subject: Re: bitch, bitch, bitch Hi Phil, I agree with your assessment of the situation. However, I hope that you will not unsub from the list. People like you are needed. It is unfortunate that the list has degraded somewhat, but with the proliferation of the web, I think it was bound to happen. Hope to see you in CA in the spring! Regards, Jeff Shafer Phil Faulisi wrote: > > I agree! When I signed up on this listserv it was because a dear friend > of mine practically begged me to. He said he was a member of this great > cp info exchange forum that had great articles on the hobby. He sent me > a few of the past articles last year and it thoroughly peaked my > interest. From what I can tell now, he must have sent me articles that > were posted during a time when everyone treated the listserv with the > respect it deserved. What a pleasure it was to read letters from true cp > icons. People that I have read about through the ICPS for the last 15 > or so years. > > Now you've scared them all off with all this battleground bull----. I've > been growing cp's for almost 30 years now and at 38 years old I am still > growing (hundreds of plants), still learning and still yearning for new > information on the subject this listserv was created for. A place > designed for sharing everyone's knowledge and field trips and passion > for growing cp's. All that has seemed to change so rapidly now. Now when > I get my e-mail I cringe when I see I got one from the cp listserv. I > know what to expect. > I can expect at any given time to see arguments and back stabbing and > thievery and just plain old court room stuff that's better left to Judge > Judy! Sure you can all tell me to just scroll past all the messages I > don't want to read and I do. But why should I have to? Why should I > receive 8 or 10 messages and 7 of the 10 are continuations of the same > fight, every single day. I don't WANT to have to unsubscribe. I want to > come home from work and read great articles of culture and news of new > species and growing techniques from Peter and Barry and Jan, etc. > OK, so somebody broke the law and stole another hard working cp > enthusiasts web page. Let's do what we have to. But please, let's not > forget about the material that's the main reason most of us are here. > > Speaking of which, I am opening my home and greenhouses for refreshments > and tours during the convention. I would love to meet some of you, many > of which have already made plans to visit me. Let me show you why I love > cp's so much. I am more than happy to meet you here for a really good > time. You can contact me privately and I will give you directions and > information on finding me. I am really looking forward to this. I am > ecstatic about meeting people and sharing the passion for these > wonderful plants. And it doesn't matter to me if it's in person or via > an e-mail listserv! hint, hint. > Happy and healthy growing to you all. And yes, > justice WILL prevail :-) My appologies to you Fernando for your loss. > Phil > ################### From: "Gilles LARDY" Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2000 09:32:13 +0800 Subject: Homepage updated Hi, I've updated my homepage with some pictures of N. clipeata which has given its first adult sized pitcher after 3 and a half years cultivation (originally bought in-vitro from A. Wistuba) and various Genlisea sp. Gilles in HK www.byblis.com ################### From: "Sundew Sundew" Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2000 21:29:54 -0500 Subject: My Drosera petiolarises online! :) Hey folks, Just posted a no-frills web page featuring a photo of part of my D.petiolaris complex collection (all plants in photo less than 1 year old). Please check it out! HEere's the URL: http://www.geocities.com/HotSprings/Sauna/9219/petiolaris1.html Or, you can link from my main page (complete with growlist and more): http://www.geocities.com/HotSprings/Sauna/9219/index.html Thanks! Matt [HTML file part2 deleted by listprocessor] ################### From: "Sundew Sundew" Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2000 22:00:24 -0500 Subject: Another Tropical Drosera Terrarium Photo I'm on a roll tonight. Here's another lousy shot of part of my CP collection. Nothing too impressive but at least I'm trying to make myself useful in some way :) http://www.geocities.com/HotSprings/Sauna/9219/derbytank.html Check it out! Matt [HTML file part2 deleted by listprocessor] ################### From: "Fernando Rivadavia-Lopes" Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2000 02:17:50 -0200 Subject: Neblina II -- the Japanese Expedition To all, A newsflash from the rainforests of Brazil..... For those of you who may not remember, last year I climbed Mt.Neblina, the highest mountain in Brazil (and one of the most isolated places on Earth) in hopes of finding the exotic living fossil called Drosera meristocaulis. This was very important for the work I was doing with this genus and because of this, my ex-supervisor from Japan, Hasebe-san, decided to go there himself and take another look for it, due to the importance of this species. Coincidentally, my friend Shibata-san wanted to go there too. She has been all over the Venezuelan tepuis, but had never gotten around to climbing Neblina since it is so far away and isolated. Now that she knew that it was possible to climb it from the Brazilian side, she decided to go for it. So she joined forces with my Hasebe-san and 5 other Japanese, arriving in Brazil in late December '99. In fact they almost didn't arrive because they'd been planning to land in Caracas and drive down to Manaus by car, just to have a quick look around the Gran Sabana. But because of the recent tragic floods in Venezuela, the airport was apparently closed. So they had to make last minute changes and flew into Manaus through S.Paulo. They spent Xmas in the small town of Sao Gabriel da Cachoeira, on the Brazil/ Venezuela/ Colombia border, making arrangements and getting the permits. They then spent a total of 14 days out in the jungle, before arriving back in S.Gabriel. I haven't heard from Shibata-san yet, she's probably still recovering from the trip. But last week I met with Hasebe-san on his way back from Neblina. He had a full day here in S.Paulo before catching his flight back to Japan. We had a great time discussing plants in general, and especially Drosera, as I drove him all around town. He told me all about their Neblina expedition. Guess what? They couldn't find D.meristocaulis AGAIN!!! Well, to tell the truth, I had little hope they would -- considering they went to the same place we did last year. And the friends who were with me know how desperately I searched for it, right Gert? Even after climbing the damnest difficult trail to teh top of Neblina on the last day, Gert and I returned to the are where H.tatei var.neblinae grew and stayed there until sunset searching for that damned plant -- arriving back in camp at 9pm if I remember well, walking for an hour and a half in complete dark with only one flashlight! I'll never forget how physically and mentally wasted I felt -- not to mention pissed at having missed my last chance to find D.meristocaulis on that trip! Anyways, thanks to my tips -- as well as all the heavy money they decided to waste! -- the Japanese expedition was a walk in the park compared to ours! The worst thing about our trip were all the fights with the guides and porters about weight. We were 8 tourists, plus 2 guides and 3 porters, but it was just too much weight to go around. We had a hell of a time hiking up and down that mountain because of all the weight we each had on our backs and we hardly enjoyed the trail at all. Well try to guess how many porters the Japanese took? 5, 10, 15?? No, they took **20** porters!!!! That's right, TWENTY! Oh, plus two guides too!! One of the guides was Deco (the quiet one we took) and the other was somebody else we didn't meet but who -- believe it or not -- actually spoke English! And GOOD English too, according to Hasebe-san! How they ever managed to find an English-speaking guide in that hell-hole called S.GRabiel I'll never know! As for the porters, they did not take Ianomamis Indians like we did (tiny men, but incredibly strong and resistent -- and also very cheap!). They took instead garimpeiros (illegal miners, which is the only thing that attracts people to these remote regions) from Sao Gabriel, who charged them about US$30 per day each!!! Calculate how much that is times 20 guys times 14 days!! Apparently they forgot about what I had written, that the guides in S.Gabriel would be reluctant to take Ianomamis (not sure why) and would try to force garimpeiros on them. The Japanese had considered going to Neblina by helicopter, but it just came out too expensive. The helis have to come all the way from Caracas or Manaus -- a LOOOONG way from there. Anyways, it was relatively very dry this year in that region. The large Podostemacea we saw on the rocks along the Rio Negro by S.Gabriel were all dead or in seed, no flowers or green leaves left. The boat ride to the base of Neblina (and back) took about half a day longer than it did for us. They went in two large boats apparently and had to get out several times so the boats could be manually dragged past rocky places in the river. We didn't have to do this a single time, neither on the way there, nor back, since it rained just before we left and right before we returned. It was still muddy at the top of Neblina, but believe it or not, practically no Helis were in flower! They only found about 3 scapes and apparently got no seeds! We saw LOTS of Helis in flower and got plenty of seeds of both species, H.tatei var.neblinae and the smaller new species we found there H.sp."Neblina". Well, here comes the worse part of the story. Unfortunately, there was something else they apparently forgot about my mails. They didn't see that magnificent H.tatei var.neblinae site, the only one we found for this species!!!! It was the best CP site and they didn't go there! This is a REAL pity, especially because I'm certain I mentioned this to them several times since I insisted that they camp there, and not at the cramped place where we'd camped. It was not much further along the trail and there was much more space for tents -- not to mention that it was a MUCH more interesting area too! BUT... Hasebe-san maybe did see H.tatei var.neblinae at a site which we didn't find. Unfortunately he was exploring alone that day and Shibata-san didn't get to see this site either.... Probably the weirdest thing about this expedition was that among the 7 participants, there were four ladies. The youngest one was Shibata-san (who's age I will ommit, since I'm not sure she wants everyone to know! :):) ) while the other 3 were all above 55: one around 55-60, another around 60-65, and then the oldest lady was **70** years old!!! And believe it or not, they ALL made it to the top of Neblina!! Amazing isn't it? Well, if you think it's surprising that they made it to the top of Neblina, you'll be even more shocked to hear that these 3 older ladies have also recently climbed **MT.EVEREST**!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! UNBELIEVABLE! You see, the leader of their Neblina expedition was a guy named Kuraoka-san, a good friend of Shibata-san's who frequently travels with her, especially to remote tepuis. He's a crazy rock climber and is hooked on all sorts of radical sports. He's been to the top of Mt.Everest twice himself! Anyways, he makes a living (partly) by guiding people on wild hiking and trekking trips. So these 3 elderly ladies (and maybe a few others, I'm not sure) on the Neblina expedition were actually clients of Kuraoka-san's, who have travelled with him before. Apparently, while organizing the porters and other details at S.Gabriel, the guides almost refused to go along when they saw the old ladies! HA!HA! They had to be convinced by Kuraoka-san that the "grandmas" were fit for the trip! It was apparently the talk of the town when they got back -- nobody could believe such old women had reached the top of Neblina. Hell, neither could I!! HA!HA!HA! In fact, there was also another similar curiosity about their trip. Apparently, they had to camp a bit further upstream from where we did last year, because our campsite was already occupied by a French team. The French apparently camped at the very top of Neblina on New Year's Eve because they were there for a reason: a wedding at midnight!!! Yep, some crazy French couple not only came up with this lame idea, but also decided to drag their poor relatives up there for the event! Talk about a troublesome wedding, huh?? Another bit of interesting news was that Hasebe-san saw plenty of Saccifolium on Neblina. This is that really strange plant which is only known from the very top of Neblina. It has inverted cupped leaves and it was one of the reasons we were climbing the mountain: to find out if it was carnivorous. Knowing what it looked like from the pictures I sent him, he had no problem finding more. We spent hours searching and only found one plant -- and it was quite different from the drawing in the paper where it was frist described. Well, I'm really happy to hear that my Japanese friends had a great time and much less trouble than we did last year on our Neblina expedition. It's a pity though that they didn't see the H.tatei var.neblinae site (see pics on my website and on Andreas Wistuba's). Asfor the elusive D.meristocaulis, it is apparently restricted to the N and NW corners of the Neblina mountains, which is on the Venezuelan side. Unfortunately this area is apparently only accessible by helicopter. Any CPer out there bursting with $$ they wanna donate to a good cause??? :):):) Best Wishes, Fernando Rivadavia Sao Paulo, Brazil ################### From: "William Longe" Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2000 00:20:30 -0500 Subject: William Longe/MIA/NTRS is out of the office. I will be out of the office from 01/13/2000 until 01/21/2000. I will be reading my e-mail and will respond if I can. ################### From: Christer Berglund Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2000 18:51:33 +0100 Subject: Transplanting petiolaris-complex? Hi, I've read that the best time to transplant temperate sundews is when they're dormant, does the same apply for plants from the petiolaris-complex? Does anyone know what germinated D. falconeri looks like? I've got something growing in a pot, but I'm not sure if it has been contaminated with some other plant or not. Regards, -- Christer Berglund E-mail: christer.berglund@amiga.pp.se ################### From: hellotel@smip.net Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2000 10:24:30 Subject: Save 50-80% on International Calls and Win $500 in Free phone calls For more information email us: sayhello@altavistausa.com Save up to 80% on your INTERNATIONAL long distance phone bill. Join our easy-to-use callback service today for FREE. 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I await your new Thierry [HTML file part2 deleted by listprocessor] ################### From: "Joe Harden" Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2000 15:20:39 -0600 Subject: Icq Member list I forgot where I was, but I ran into http://www.geocities.com/RainForest/Vines/5163/icqlist.html where the old ICQ CP listing is. I was going to update my information, and found out it hasn't been updated in almost two years. I sent an email to Gadgen@ix.netcom.com but it came back undeliverable. Has this ICQ thing gone the way of the do-do bird? Might explain why I haven't heard from anyone with ICQ in a while.... Joe Harden [HTML file part2 deleted by listprocessor] ################### From: Michael King Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2000 17:01:54 -0500 Subject: Adrian Slack book for sale Dear all, I have a spare copy of Adrian Slack's book "Carnivorous Plants" for sale. It is a 1st edition hardback copy. Please Email me privately if interested. Best Regards Mike King Telford UK See my new Carnivorous Plant Website: http://www.soft.net.uk/newcombe/ssar/homepage.htm ################### From: jneps Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2000 19:51:07 -0700 Subject: Re: bitch, bitch, bitch Hi, My reply to Phil was not intended to be posted to the list; I accidentally sent it there by mistake. It was intended strictly for Phil. Fernando and anyone else interested: I am not trying to imply any- thing or accuse anyone of impropriety. If I see something which does not interest me on the list, I just ignore it. It was not my intent to offend anyone. Jeff Shafer Fernando Rivadavia-Lopes wrote: > > Dear Phil and Jeff, > > Hey guys, I'm really sorry about all the recent posts regarding > the idiot who stole my webpage, but please understand that it's a very > frustrating situation for me! And who else is there to look to for help > other than the online CP community?? Because many other CPers out there also > have their own webpages, this is a matter of wide interest, believe it or > not. OK, it may not be an enjoyable subject to all on the listserv, but > nothing is unanymous. You think all mails to the listserv are to the taste > of all members? I usually only read a mail or two out of the bunch in each > digest -- if any at all. But I think it's important to keep it an open forum > for CPers in general, even when it comes to off topic stuff. And come on, be > reasonable, I really didn't crowd the listserv with my plagiarism mails over > this past week. We've had much worse -- like VFT finger puppet wars -- over > the past few years. There are still plenty of other mails inbetween my > recent ones which I'm sure you'd consider more "to-the-topic" subjects. I > mean, in my opinion, even worse than crowding a digest with a single subject > is forgetting to erase an entire message you're replying to, like Jeff did > at the end of his mail -- that's 100% wasted space since everybody read it > all already. But it happens, like sometimes people forget to put titles to > their mails. So please be a bit more patient and just skip over mails which > are not of your interest, which is what most of us do already. And this is > no reason to stop subscribing either, if only to enjoy the occasional jewels > which are to our complete delight on the listserv. Not to mention that it's > the best way to get to know so many other interesting people, some of which > you may even get the chance to meet personally in San Francisco this year!! > At least be a bit more forgiving with me. After all, think of all the time I > waste on the keyboard to tell everyone on the listserv in details about mine > (and other's) CP expeditions, usually writing about extremely rare plants, > most of which aren't in cultivation yet and are often not even known from > pictures! Of all people, I think my accumulated sum of "on-topic" and > informative mails to the listserv entitles me to at least a little leeway, > huh?!?! :):) > > Sorry for any inconvenience.... > > Fernando Rivadavia > Sao Paulo, Brazil ################### From: Owen Priddle Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2000 22:58:48 -0800 (PST) Subject: hydroponics experiment update Hi everybody- You may remember that I started experimenting with hydroponics a couple of months ago... I thought I would post a brief update here. Basically, everything is doing very well! My original planting included Heliamphora, Cephalotus, Nepenthes, Darlingtonia, Drosera, Genlisea, and Utricularia. Of these, all are thriving except for Nepenthes, which never became established. The Helis and Cephalotus are well rooted and actively growing, the Droseras are growing EXTREMELY fast, and the Utricularia is, of course, quickly making itself a weed. A brief description of my set-up: 1) plants are potted in small mesh pots of the kind designed for aquaculture, in either rockwool, lava rock, or clay pearls. 2) the pots are set in a window-box type planter and surrounded with clay pearls. 3) the entire surface is covered with a thin layer of lava-rock; this prevents algal growth and also helps to weigh the material down and prevent the clay-pearls from floating. 4) the planter sits atop a bucket full of the watering solution, with a small aquarium pump which periodically floods the whole thing from the bottom. The watering solution is distilled water, Blackwater Tonic at recommended strength, and a commercial all-purpose hydroponics solution at one-half recommended strength. I do not monitor water-quality. Originally I had everything planted directly in clay pearls directly in the planter, but they tended to float and shift and the plants fell over and were unable to develop good root systems. Covering the surface with lava-rocks to weigh it down, and in some cases planting specimens in rockwool, solved this. I also grow N. northiana in a passive hydroponics system -- a mix of lava, clay, and charcoal, sitting in a shallow tray of pure water -- with great success. I highly recommend that everyone experiment with this -- my thrown-together system works extremely well, and I am sure that with refinement and experimentation it could be made even more effective. If anyone wishes further information I'd be happy to provide it! -Owen Priddle Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com ################### From: Steve Hinkson Date: Fri, 21 Jan 2000 00:39:52 -0800 Subject: ICQ list Joe: ICQ's fine and doin' well. Just the "geocities" list that has died. ICQ maintains it's own user preferences lists. You can access them from your ICQ window. BTW, my # is: 7751899 Steve Drop by and see me at : http://www.geocities.com/HotSprings/Spa/6811 ################### From: "Sundew" Date: Fri, 21 Jan 2000 18:44:52 +1100 Subject: Lichens and earwigs Dear all I am wondering if anyone can help me to find a cure to two pains in the rear end? The first regards the removal of Lichens from the glass panels of a 25 year old glasshouse. I have thus far scrapped as much as I can off the sections, but there still remains patches that are reddish in colour, with some smaller also still in tact. Is there some safe remedy to kill it all off, as I don't want to have to make this awkward task a regular one? A non-chemical one would be most appreciative, if there so exists. The second involves what we call 'Earwigs', small insects that have what looks like two inward curved tweezers at the tips of their abdomens. Anyways, they get and munch away on some of my Mexican _Pinguiculas_, and I am convinced that they have been retarding the growth of my _P. species Pico De Oriziba_. They have been in almost plague proportions the last few months, with the mild Summer & wet weather. So, if anyone knows of a simple, yet effective way to get rid of the blasted things, I would be thrilled! Regards Nathan J. Clemens [HTML file part2 deleted by listprocessor] ################### From: "Rogan Roth" Date: Fri, 21 Jan 2000 11:45:34 +0200 Subject: Fernando, don't stop! Dear Fernando et al., Don't ever stop writing your expeditions to the list - they make VERY good reading, thanks for all the effort. It is also interesting to see how other people deal with effronteries such as plagiarism. Best regards (wishing-he-was-in-Brazil) Rogan. Rogan B. Roth P.O.Box 100-210 SCOTTSVILLE 3209 KwaZulu-Natal Rep. of South Africa ################### From: Dionaea@aol.com Date: Fri, 21 Jan 2000 08:19:27 EST Subject: Germinated D. falconeri/ When is dry season in NT, AU? Christer, I just had some germination on my D. falconeri (and several others). Judging from this and past experience you will have to wait for a while to find out if you really have D. falconeri. In my opinion all freshly germinated Drosera look the same. On a related note... can someone tell me which months of year correspond to the dry season in the part of Northern Australia that is home to the petiolaris complex? I have been looking through the literature and can't find any definitive answers. Thanks, Christoph ################### From: Ivan Snyder Date: Fri, 21 Jan 2000 08:42:21 -0800 Subject: re: D. petiolaris' online Attention petiolaris enthusiasts, Matt wrote: >Just posted a no-frills web page featuring a photo of part of my >D.petiolaris complex collection (all plants in photo less than 1 >year old). Please check it out! HEere's the URL: >http://www.geocities.com/HotSprings/Sauna/9219/petiolaris1.html Glad to see someone else successfully growing sundews of the petiolaris complex. I'm sure that Matt's seed was produced by the all-time master grower of the plants Sean Samia, my friend here in Southern California. Sean is not on the CP Listserv but does receive e-mail on his cell phone now at < seansamia@yahoo.com >. Though I do not myself grow them I do admire his magnificent looking plants. From him I learned some facts which would interest those who have grown and studied them. Like for instance: yes they do require cross-pollination to produce seed. Hybrids between all the species are fertile and Sean has made some which are truly awsome. Sean believes, and I agree, that some of the many highly variable species are actually hybrids, which he has recreated. Sean would like to correspond with others having a particular interest in this complex. He has seed of many available from time to time. ________________________________________________________________ YOU'RE PAYING TOO MUCH FOR THE INTERNET! Juno now offers FREE Internet Access! Try it today - there's no risk! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. ################### From: Randall Palmer Date: Fri, 21 Jan 2000 13:40:14 -0500 (EST) Subject: Salty water We were suppose to get salt out of our medium. But what the heck I put 1 tablespoon in 1 gallon of water. My Venus Fly take it, loves it and survives so what about everthing else. Havn't tried on nepenthes only because they're in a tararrium in the house for the winter. So I not ready to send salt out to the pasture yet. Cousin Clem ################### From: Steve Clancy Date: Fri, 21 Jan 2000 11:54:58 -0800 (PST) Subject: Re: Growing Outdoors: Photos Jeff, I have some pictures of various Sarracenia along with some Drosera capensis that I grow outside all year under a grape arbor. I live in Southern California about 4 miles from the beach. Summer temp can get to 95-100f winter rarely gets to freezing. During the summer they are partially shaded by the grape vines, but in winter, when the grape vine drops its leaves, they get full winter sunlight. I am also currently growing a larger pot of D. capensis and some unidentified Pinguicula, but I don't have any pictures of them yet. You may use the pictures, but please give me credit. They are at "http://members.xoom.com/sclancy/cp.htm". --steve clancy Steve Clancy MLS, Science Library, Univ. of California, Irvine P.O. Box 19556, Irvine, CA 92623-9556 U.S.A. 949-824-7309 * http://sun3.lib.uci.edu/~sclancy * sclancy@uci.edu *---------------------------------------------------------------------* "If you ever reach total enlightenment while you're drinking a beer, I'll bet it makes beer shoot out your nose." *---------------------------------------------------------------------* On Thu, 6 Jan 2000 JDPDX@aol.com wrote: > I'm trying to tackle a problem. I'm a small grower/reseller of CP in > the Pacific Northwest. Most of my clientle are first-time buyers who > haven't a clue about how to grow CP, but have had plenty of experience > killing Venus Flytraps, and are very well-versed in the abundant > misinformation that is out there. They would like to try CP, but are > afraid of them. > > Here in the Northwest, west of the Cascade range, all of the > Sarracenia, Venus Flytraps, temperate sundews and butterworts all grow > very well in our climate outdoors. It's often hard to convince people > of that. > > I'm looking for photos any of you might have that show CP growing > outdoors in bog gardens, container gardens, alongside ponds, on > patios, pictures with snow on Sarracenia, hanging baskets, etc... > > E-mail me if you have anything you would like to share. It will help > many people new to growing CP to be successful. I would love to see > the day when a small savage garden is as common on a sunny patio as > are petunias. > > Jeff Dallas Sarracenia Northwest > ################### From: "Paul Edwards" Date: Sat, 22 Jan 2000 08:30:20 +1100 Subject: Re: Germinated D. falconeri/ When is dry season in NT, AU? ----- Original Message ----- To: Multiple recipients of list Sent: Saturday, January 22, 2000 12:26 AM > > On a related note... can someone tell me which months of year correspond to > the dry season in the part of Northern Australia that is home to the > petiolaris complex? I have been looking through the literature and can't > find any definitive answers. > > Thanks, > Christoph > > Hi Christoph, The dry season in Northern Oz is during Winter - June to August. Summer (especially from New Year onwards) is very wet / monsoonal. In Southern Australia (where I am) this is reversed. --------------------------------------------- Paul Edwards, Bampton Park, Neerim South, Victoria. Australia. edwards@net2000.com.au --------------------------------------------- ################### From: Barry Meyers-Rice Date: Fri, 21 Jan 2000 14:56:17 -0800 (PST) Subject: ICPS photo gallery Hey CP lovers! The ICPS is now running an on-line, quarterly photo gallery where you can display your photographs. Just go to the ICPS web site (http://www.carnivorousplants.org) and look at the navigation bar for the Member Photo Gallery. Steven Venter (stevev@carnivorousplants.org) has agreed to take on the task of curating the gallery. Steven is located in Africa, and helps work on a project with disabled Zulu men and women. To learn a little more about this, look at his web site at: http://jabulani.hypermart.net/ I hope you'll all make Steven welcome! The first photo gallery will be entitled, "My Favorite Things" and will showcase your favorite clones, species, genera, places, or photograph where CP are the subject. The submission deadline is February 20th. Your photos will remain your property, of course, but you will get the pleasure of seeing them on the web at the ICPS site. Enjoy, and happy photographing! Barry ------------------------ Dr. Barry A. Meyers-Rice Carnivorous Plant Newsletter Conservation Coeditor barry@carnivorousplants.org http://www.carnivorousplants.org ################### From: "Tarcisio" Date: Sat, 22 Jan 2000 02:14:01 -0200 Subject: Planta carnivora. Eu gostari se fosse posivel que voc\352s me enviace por @-mail, tudo o que voc\352s descobriram e sabem sobre a planta Dionaea muscipula. Eu tenho uma muda nova em casa m\341s n\343o sei de nada dela.Quando ela come\347a a pegar incetos? Os cuidados que eu tenho que ter com ela etc.Eu agrade\347o pela aten\347\343o!!!!! E fico esperando resposta. Obrigado!!!!! Roberto. [HTML file part2 deleted by listprocessor] ################### From: Susan Ziegler Date: Fri, 21 Jan 2000 23:34:04 -0600 Subject: Sarr seeds.. now what? It is coming close to the time which is required to plant the sarr. purpurea seeds that I have stratified the past 3 months.. How do I do this, and what do I plant them in? Do they need humidity? Please help :) I don't want to kill them like I have in the past.. Susan Enchanter MadCrew Member deceit@geocities.com On EfNet as Enchanter or [enchan] ################### From: Kris Kopicki Date: Sat, 22 Jan 2000 16:16:54 +1030 Subject: Re: Germinated D. falconeri/ When is dry season in NT, AU? Hi, > On a related note... can someone tell me which months of year correspond to > the dry season in the part of Northern Australia that is home to the > petiolaris complex? I have been looking through the literature and can't > find any definitive answers. Wet season starts in around November, and goes through to about March. The rest of the year is the dry season. regards, Kris ################### From: Todd Wuest Date: Sat, 22 Jan 2000 01:01:17 -0600 Subject: Re: germination of d. falconeri > > On a related note... can someone tell me which months of year correspond to > the dry season in the part of Northern Australia that is home to the > petiolaris complex? I have been looking through the literature and can't > find any definitive answers. > > Thanks, > Christoph > > here's two links i think will help you, the first is a link to an AUS government sight that gives very detailed and specific information on weather records for cities in AUS, you can just use allen lowrie's seedlist to get a local for a specific species, look up the local and not only do you know the basic seasons of the local, you can also get a feeling for its subtleties, such as how dry the dry season is, how hot is tropical AUS? etc. http://www.bom.gov.au/climate/averages/ this next one is like the first just more general and extended throughout the world including some weather stations in nep country http://www.worldclimate.com/ take it easy todd wuest ################### From: teachout@oz.net Date: Fri, 21 Jan 2000 23:10:03 -0800 Subject: PNW growing outdoors Jeff, I grow Sarracenias outdoors as well as the littler guys that overwinter in the greenhouse. Mine were in a whiskey barrel liner sunk in the ground and now are in a whiskey barrel that is partially sunk in the ground (old barrel falling apart now planted). They have done remarkbly well in that container. I planted some Venus flytraps and sundews in with them but took the traps out for winter and they are in a cool greenhouse. I accidently ended up with a ground cover of Azolla in the barrel (brought in from the pond) that has taken over but the Sarracenia don't seem to mind and it looks nice so it stays and nicely covers the rim of the liner. BTW this is my first posting here so I should introduce myself as a native PNWer an avid gardener for most of my adult life, and the last few years started growing cps and more recently ponding - loving every minute of this new frontier for me. I enjoy the list and hope to contribute or ask questions where and when needed. Should have been on this list before as I tried unsuccessfully to start Darlingtonia's from seed and last year finally had germination. They are still tiny and these babies are in the greenhouse where I am hoping this year they start to grow up. +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Deb TT Washington state USDA zone 8, Sunset zone 5 http://www.rainyside.com/ ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ ################### From: "Fernando Rivadavia-Lopes" Date: Sat, 22 Jan 2000 12:54:30 -0200 Subject: Plagiarized webpage off the internet!!! Dear friends, I've just been told by a fellow CPer that the plagiarized page was off the net. He'd received a mail from Tripod (why they wrote him and not us as well, I don't know) saying they'd removed the page and were in no way connected to the perpetrator, bla-bla-bla. HURRAAAAAAAAAAAAY! Well, thanks to everyone for all the support during this "crisis". We really appreciate your efforts and hope to be able to do the same in case this ever happens again to anyone else out there. Best Wishes, Fernando Rivadavia Sao Paulo, Brazil ################### From: "John Green" Date: Sat, 22 Jan 2000 08:26:25 -0700 Subject: re: earwigs Nathan Clemens wrote: > The second involves what we call 'Earwigs', small > insects that have what looks like two inward curved > tweezers at the tips of their abdomens. Anyways, > they get and munch away on some of my Mexican > _Pinguiculas_, and I am convinced that they have > been retarding the growth of my _P. species Pico De > Oriziba_. They have been in almost plague proportions > the last few months, with the mild Summer & wet weather. > So, if anyone knows of a simple, yet effective way to get > rid of the blasted things, I would be thrilled! Sorry to hear you have the disgusting little things in Australia, too. They haven't been much of a problem for me, but I regularly find them caught by S. purpurea and VFTs, so maybe buy a few extra of those plants and put them with your pings. I'd also recommend finding out what areas they breed in, like under boards and such, and eliminate any potential breeding areas. And finally, something like Diazinon might help, too. Good luck. John Green Salt Lake City, Utah, USA ################### From: Dionaea@aol.com Date: Sat, 22 Jan 2000 10:34:07 EST Subject: Dry Season in NT, AU Paul, Thanks for the info. I suspected as much but I couldn't verify it anywhere. This should make growing the D. petiolaris complex easier in the NE USA where the summer temps get really warm. Do you know what the temperature range is during the dry season and the wet season? > Hi Christoph, > > The dry season in Northern Oz is during Winter - June to August. Summer > (especially from New Year onwards) is very wet / monsoonal. In Southern > Australia (where I am) this is reversed. ################### From: Christer Berglund Date: Sat, 22 Jan 2000 21:21:07 +0100 Subject: re: Germinated D. falconeri > if you really have D. falconeri. In my opinion all freshly germinated > Drosera look the same. Hi Christoph, I've got a private reply stating the same as you, so I'm sure now that what I have is not falconeri (or even a drosera). This is the second try with this species without success. I have so far germinated 5 species of the petiolaris complex. D. kenneallyi is only other species that I failed with. Would you care to share some information regarding your falconeri (time of germination, soil, temp etc.)? Thanks for the help, -- Christer Berglund E-mail: christer.berglund@amiga.pp.se ################### From: Chris Teichreb Date: Sat, 22 Jan 2000 15:02:21 -0800 Subject: PNWCPC meeting Hi everyone, The Pacific Northwest Carnivorous Plant Club has a date set for the first meeting. This will be on May 7, 2000 from 11am to 4pm in the Richmond Nature Centre, Richmond, B.C., Canada. This time, it will be a public show, but member only sale and trade, since most people won't have sufficient stock for public availability. If you haven't been receiving my e-mails to the PNWCPC group, but want to, let me know at this address (cjteichr@sfu.ca) or at cteichreb@hotmail.com. Full details will also be posted on our website at www.nurserysite.com/clubs/pnwcarnivorous. Thanks, and happy growing! Chris ################### From: "Zach Katz" Date: Sat, 22 Jan 2000 20:11:29 -0500 Subject: carnivorous books Hi, I'm looking for a name of a good botanist that did some work with carnivorous plants and that has either a biography or autobiography out. It could be on some kind of trip someone took or anything just something in that subject area and that there is a book that one can pick up at any bookstore. If you have a name that would really help me out. Thanx. Zach ################### From: Ccp108@aol.com Date: Sat, 22 Jan 2000 21:13:58 EST Subject: The Venus Quandary When the stalks and traps of the Venus turn black and gooey it isn't getting enough subtenants up from the roots to keep it green. Down where the roots used to live they disappear by the protozoa of root rot. And if you leave the remains of the plant in the pot outside thripes eat everything up where there is no more plant. So even though we were able to remove the plant from the plastic red terrarium and have it survive for a time, it gives up the ghost. But one more thing will be what will guarantee survival, a small percentage of salt in the soil. If you don't want to try it on more than one healthy plant, try a little salty water over some of your on the way to, or dead plants. Cousin Clem ################### From: William Tsun-Yuk Hsu Date: Sat, 22 Jan 2000 18:49:29 -0800 (PST) Subject: dormancy problems I have a S. purpurea with densely clustered pitchers which is being kept outside for winter (I live in San Francisco). When I last checked it, some of the pitchers are rotting near the base, and there's a powdery green/gray substance over the crown and the bases of the pitchers. Is this what's called "powdery mildew"? I've cut off all the unhealthy pitchers and am wondering what else I should do. Should I wash the plant thoroughly and repot? Is it necessary to look into fungicides? Should I try to keep the plant in a drier place? (It's been raining on and off.) Thanks... (I don't see fungus on my other sarrancenias nearby; maybe the densely clustered purpurea pitchers make for poor ventilation?) Bill ################### From: Steve Hinkson Date: Sat, 22 Jan 2000 19:49:39 -0800 Subject: lichen and algae "Dear all I am wondering if anyone can help me to find a cure to two pains in the rear end? "The first regards the removal of Lichens from the glass panels of a 25 year old glasshouse. I have thus far scrapped as much as I can off the sections, but there still remains patches that are reddish in colour, with some smaller also still in tact." Nathan: As to your "pains in the rear end", Nathan, You're doin' it all wrong if you have lichens OR Earwigs there ! *grin* Algae and lichen may be removed cleanly from glass with a strond acid, and it kills as it cleans. Here, I use "Lime-A-Way" brand, which is a hard water stain remover, but I have no idea if it's available there. "You can easily judge the character of a person by how he treats those who can do nothing for him or to him." Malcolm Forbes Drop by and see me at : http://www.geocities.com/HotSprings/Spa/6811 ################### From: "Andrew Marshall" Date: Sat, 22 Jan 2000 21:30:46 -0800 Subject: earwigs Hi, A tip I picked up for dealing with earwigs that works. I take newspaper, old is best, and roll it a little looser then I would if I were delivering it. Lay these rolls around the greenhouse. Earwigs like to hide in these and will do so. Check them each morning by shaking them out, still rolled up, over a large bucket of water. Take the earwigs that fall out and feed them to your Nepenthes. They make GREAT food for them. You could also do as I do, which is to go at night with a torch in one hand, tweezers in the other. Hand catch the little stinkers and either put them in a jar for later feeding, or feed to the nepenthes right away. Good hunting and best wishes Andrew ################### From: "tierney wayne" Date: Sun, 23 Jan 2000 01:16:40 PST Subject: Re: earwigs and other stuff... Hi everyone, I seem to remember from a pest management class eons ago that earwigs could be trapped by rolling a damp newspaper into a cigar and leaving it on the ground where the problem is. They will hide in it during the day and can then be collected and disposed of (which makes this method a double pleasure as we all know how most of us like to dispose of insects!) I also have a rather embarrassing question- I've been really out of the loop for so long with school and work etc etc- but is it still possible to register for the meeting in may? If someone could tell me how to go about it I'd be very grateful... Finally thanks to the people who responded to my inquiry about an aquatic plant digest- I wasn't able to thank everyone personally. Thanks and good growing! Tierney San Jose CA > ################### From: "Flick Foreman" Date: Sun, 23 Jan 2000 11:05:20 -0000 Subject: Tony Camilleri Does anyone have the address of Tony Camilleri? Please email me privately. Thanks. Flick. [HTML file part2 deleted by listprocessor] ################### From: Michael King Date: Sun, 23 Jan 2000 08:33:44 -0500 Subject: Sarr seeds.. now what? Message text written by INTERNET:cp@opus.hpl.hp.com >Sarr seeds.. now what?< Dear Susan, The best thing to do is is prepare some pots with moss peat with sand/perlite mix and sprinkle your seeds on the top of this mix. DO NOT bury your seeds. Place the pots into a cold or cool greenhouse and germination should take place this spring. Place these pots in trays of soft water just like your mature Sarracenias. Good growing! Best Regards Mike King See my new Carnivorous Plant Website: http://www.soft.net.uk/newcombe/ssar/homepage.htm ################### From: "Sundew Sundew" Date: Sun, 23 Jan 2000 10:45:31 -0500 Subject: re petiolaris online Hi Ivan and Sean! > > Date: Fri, 21 Jan 2000 08:42:21 -0800 > From: Ivan Snyder > To: cp@opus.hpl.hp.com > Cc: seansamia@yahoo.com > Subject: re: D. petiolaris' online > Message-ID: <20000121.084311.6878.0.bioexp@juno.com> > > Attention petiolaris enthusiasts, > > Matt wrote: > >Just posted a no-frills web page featuring a photo of part of my > >D.petiolaris complex collection (all plants in photo less than 1 > >year old). Please check it out! HEere's the URL: > >http://www.geocities.com/HotSprings/Sauna/9219/petiolaris1.html > > Glad to see someone else successfully growing sundews of the > petiolaris complex. Thanks! I'm sure that Matt's seed was produced by the > all-time master grower of the plants Sean Samia, my friend here in > Southern California. Actually, the plants on my "petiolaris page" were all from seed given to me by my buddy Phill of Southwest Carnivores of Australia, as well as seed originally obtained from Lowrie and swapped to me by another CPer friend. My larger derbyensis, ordensis and hybrid between the 2, which I got from a friend who got them from the ICPS seed bank, were originally sent in by Sean. :) But these were in the "other Drosera terrarium" pic. Incidentally, the seed you sent me from Sean is growing pretty slowly but I'm sure is partly due to the lower temperatures theyve been getting. Ive been meaning to move them to my hotter setup but this would involve a trip outside and I dont think the plants would appreciate the COOOOLLLDDDDD temps outside so have been waiting for a more mild day. Always looking for more seed of this stuff, hybrids or especially species... Sean is not on the CP Listserv but does receive > e-mail on his cell phone now at < seansamia@yahoo.com >. Though I do not > myself grow them I do admire his magnificent looking plants. From him I > learned some facts which would interest those who have grown and studied > them. Like for instance: yes they do require cross-pollination to produce > seed. Hybrids between all the species are fertile and Sean has made some > which are truly awsome. Sean believes, and I agree, that some of the many > highly variable species are actually hybrids, which he has recreated. Definitely agree with you 2 as well here. I wonder how many more varieties Lowrie will come across in his travels. Any suggestions as to what the original species are? Matt ################### From: Dionaea@aol.com Date: Sun, 23 Jan 2000 11:13:29 EST Subject: Dry season in NT, AUS Kris and Todd, Thank you for your info. I think the information provided will be of great help to everyone out there. Christoph ################### From: Dionaea@aol.com Date: Sun, 23 Jan 2000 11:32:27 EST Subject: D. falconeri Christer, > Would you care to share some information regarding your falconeri (time > of germination, soil, temp etc.)? > > Thanks for the help, Sure, but let me qualify my statements by saying that that all I know right now is that a Drosera germinated. I can't verify its identity for some time to come... I planted the seed on 12/28/99 on long-fibered sphagnum that was originally obtained from Mellingers here in the US. The pots were placed in a 10 gallon tank (38 L) approximately 8 inches (20 cm) away from 2 40-watt fluorescent light bulbs (once I have more germination I will increase it to 4 40-watt bulbs). The temperature in the tank during the day is between 80F and 86F (27C-30C), during the night it is between 60F and 66F (15C and 18C). In the summer, the temps will no doubt be much higher. The pots are standing in about 1cm of water. In this manner I had germination in about 2-3 weeks. I also have germination on D. ordensis, D. paradoxa, D. aff. paradoxa "Metallic Orange Flower," D. broomensis and D. caduca. I am expecting more germination in the next few weeks. Check with me in a year and I should be able to tell you if my D. falconeri is the true thing. Hope this helps. Christoph ################### From: j.dewitte@t-online.de Date: Sun, 23 Jan 2000 19:41:34 +0100 (MET) Subject: seeds Here some info I tought I should share. I decided to clean out my fridge, and get rid of the seeds I stored over time. So I prepared TC-medium and started putting out nepenthes seeds. The first to germinate (with a rate of better than 80%) after two weeks were highland seeds from 1996, but surprisingly highlanders from back in 1993 germinated (still better than 15%) after 4 weeks. So one should not despair. Proper storage (and germination technique) still does wonders. Jean-Pierre De Witte mailto: j.dewitte@t-online.de Time: 19:37:11 http://www.jeandewitte.de This message was sent by XFMail ---------------------------------- ################### From: "Diane Charette" Date: Sun, 23 Jan 2000 14:39:13 -0500 Subject: Re:Sarr seeds.. now what? Hi, Go there,: http://www.vaxxine.com/ccphome and go into the caring page, Carl has wrote a very good page on everything to do for Sar. Work very well for me. Good luck with your seedlings:) Tom [HTML file part2 deleted by listprocessor] ################### From: "Paul Edwards" Date: Mon, 24 Jan 2000 08:36:56 +1100 Subject: Re: Tony Camilleri Try: C/O Victorian Carnivorous Plant Society, PO Box 201, South Yarra Vic 3141 Australia --------------------------------------------- Paul Edwards, Bampton Park, Neerim South, Victoria. Australia. edwards@net2000.com.au --------------------------------------------- ----- Original Message ----- To: Multiple recipients of list Sent: Sunday, January 23, 2000 10:11 PM > Does anyone have the address of Tony Camilleri? Please email me > privately. Thanks. Flick. > > [HTML file part2 deleted by listprocessor] > ################### From: "Sundew Sundew" Date: Sun, 23 Jan 2000 18:22:09 -0500 Subject: Silicone ? Hey CP people, I just bought 4 x 6" high terraria for some of my plants but was told they are not waterproof as only the bottom has been sealed with silicone. The people I bought these tanks from told me not to use marine or over-paint silicone. Went to the hardware store (Home Depot) and found Silicone II which specifically mentions it is NOT to be used with aquaria. Does anyone know why? Can it not handle the water pressure or is it toxic to fish? The only thing I found which did not have this warning (and therefore purchased) was GE's 100% Silicone Rubber Sealant (Clear, indoor/outdoor, watertight...). Since all the others were by GE as well, I am assuming this one is safe for aquarium / terrarium use? I'd actually prefer the silicone 2 if possible as it was available in a smaller tube which will surely be more managable. All advice appreciated! Thanks! Matt [HTML file part2 deleted by listprocessor] ################### From: dalford@norfolk.infi.net Date: Sun, 23 Jan 2000 20:59:48 -0500 Subject: Re: Silicone ? I would say toxic to fish & maybe plants as well. Don't know about Silicone II - but back in the 60's when I was building all of my own aquariums (1 to 250 gallon) all of the silicones except Dow Corning had ARSENIC in them to prevent mold formation. The marine silicones may have tributal tin (TBT) which prevents barnacles & algae from attaching to boat hulls. If it's not safe for fish I don't think I would use it for my plants either. The larger tubes for use in caulking guns are a better deal for your money. Most can have soemething stuck over or in the tip to prevent drying out in between uses. Check the labels & see if they say they inhibit mold & mildew - if so don't use them. At 03:21 PM 1/23/00 -0800, you wrote: >Hey CP people, > >I just bought 4 x 6" high terraria for some of my plants but was >told they are not waterproof as only the bottom has been sealed with >silicone. > >The people I bought these tanks from told me not to use marine or >over-paint silicone. Went to the hardware store (Home Depot) and >found Silicone II which specifically mentions it is NOT to be used >with aquaria. Does anyone know why? Can it not handle the water >pressure or is it toxic to fish? > >The only thing I found which did not have this warning (and >therefore purchased) was GE's 100% Silicone Rubber Sealant (Clear, >indoor/outdoor, watertight...). Since all the others were by GE as >well, I am assuming this one is safe for aquarium / terrarium use? > >I'd actually prefer the silicone 2 if possible as it was available >in a smaller tube which will surely be more managable. All advice >appreciated! Thanks! > >Matt > >[HTML file part2 deleted by listprocessor] > > ################### From: "E.T." Date: Sun, 23 Jan 2000 17:34:47 +0100 Subject: Neblina tours To all, One team, then a second one, etc and now a wedding ! For when a funfair or a moovie with indiana johns ? I was very disapointed when i learnt the discoveries made during the first travel on the Neblina tepui because i knew it was the begin of the end for this last savage and untouched ecosystem. Unfortunately, the facts don't reassure me at all. It becomes more and more an up to date destination. Not far enough. Not expensive enough. It seems that all this is happenning in a general indifference like if it was the destiny of humans beeing to colonize, destroy and then regret their ancestor's acts. Hoping to be not alone. Regards. >Topic No. 16 > >Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2000 02:17:50 -0200 >From: "Fernando Rivadavia-Lopes" >To: "CP listserv" >Subject: Neblina II -- the Japanese Expedition >Message-ID: <00b301bf62fd$db85f320$e0dcbfc8@aguia.mtecnetsp.com.br> > .../... > In fact, there was also another similar curiosity about their >trip. Apparently, they had to camp a bit further upstream from where we did >last year, because our campsite was already occupied by a French team. The >French apparently camped at the very top of Neblina on New Year's Eve >because they were there for a reason: a wedding at midnight!!! Yep, some >crazy French couple not only came up with this lame idea, but also decided >to drag their poor relatives up there for the event! Talk about a >troublesome wedding, huh?? > .../... -- ----------------------------------- Eric THOUMIRE - Z.7b St Maur des Fosses (suburb of Paris) France ----------------------------------- ################### From: "Sundew Sundew" Date: Mon, 24 Jan 2000 09:55:12 -0500 Subject: Silicone, part 2 OK, Thanks to the person who responded regarding the silicone issue. I just called the manufacturer and they said the reason they say not to use the stuff in aquaria is because they dont want to get sued if leakage occurs. They also say their kitchen and bath products should not be used with living things as they are anti fungal and mildew and probably have a bad effect on other living things as well. So, it should be safe to use window and door silicone in cp terraria with a low water table :) Matt [HTML file part2 deleted by listprocessor] ################### From: Phil Wilson Date: Mon, 24 Jan 2000 10:21:55 +0000 Subject: Re: Sarr seeds.. now what? While I always hate to disagree with my friends.... > The best thing to do is is prepare some pots with moss peat with >sand/perlite mix and sprinkle >your seeds on the top of this mix. DO NOT bury your seeds. Place the pots You should barely cover the seeds using either a thin layer of the same soil mix or fine grade vermiculite. I find I get better germination this way and I suspect the reason is that seed that is left on the surface of the soil is prone to desiccation during the early stages of germination. >into a cold or cool greenhouse and germination should take place this >spring. Place these pots in trays of soft water >just like your mature Sarracenias. > The one thing Mike forgot to mention is to sow the seeds now and allow them a cold period of stratification. The easiest way to achieve this is to leave the pots with the seeds in a cold greenhouse. If this is not possible then you can store the seeds in a fridge (don't put them in the freezer though). You need to allow at least four weeks for stratification - six weeks is better. Regards, Phil Wilson Email: cp@pwilson.demon.co.uk ################### From: Tom Massey Date: Mon, 24 Jan 2000 10:22:01 -0500 Subject: RE: Silicone, part 2 Well that's good information. I always wondered if that "don't use for aquariums" was to protect against the current fad of to suing everybody for everything. A few years back (maybe about 1977 or so) I built several 30 gallon aquariums using silicon with pretty good results, I still have them and they have never leaked. I kept both fresh and brackish water fish for many years without obvious problems. I still use clear silicon when I make aquariums/terrariums; just make sure you let it cure awhile before adding your plants. FWIW, Tom in Fl. On Monday, January 24, 2000 10:00 AM, Sundew Sundew [SMTP:sundew@hotmail.com] wrote: > OK, Thanks to the person who responded regarding the silicone issue. > I just called the manufacturer and they said the reason they say not > to use the stuff in aquaria is because they dont want to get sued if > leakage occurs. They also say their kitchen and bath products > should not be used with living things as they are anti fungal and > mildew and probably have a bad effect on other living things as > well. So, it should be safe to use window and door silicone in cp > terraria with a low water table :) > > Matt > > [HTML file part2 deleted by listprocessor] > > ################### From: "Madeleine Groves" Date: Mon, 24 Jan 2000 16:35:34 -0000 Subject: New email address Dear All, Back working at Royal Botanic Gardens, Kew, UK at the Conservation Projects Development Unit (CPDU). I will keep the hotmail address going for a bit (mad_groves@hotmail.com), but please use this email address from now on. Thanks, Mad Madeleine Groves Scientific Officer Conservation Projects Development Unit (CPDU) RBG Kew Richmond Surrey TW9 3AB Tel:+44-(0)181-332-5584 Fax:+44-(0)181-332-5582 ################### From: "Joe Harden" Date: Mon, 24 Jan 2000 11:45:18 -0600 Subject: Cheap Water Trays Hello all. If anyone is looking for large but cheap plastic tubs to use as watering trays, Target (here in Texas) has some on clearence this weekend, $7.00. They are sold as underbed storage boxes, but work great for anyone with lots of little pots and wants to get rid of lots of little water trays. The lids easily pop off, and are 1 inch deep. The containers themselves are 3 inches deep, and have a smooth bottom. They are about 3 feet by 1 1/2 feet. Joe Harden www.carnivorous-kingdom My thought for the day -- Scientist think they have found a human gene that can lengthen a human lifespan up to 150 years. If you ask me, the Internal Revenue Service is the goverment agency supporting this research. [HTML file part2 deleted by listprocessor] ################### From: Douglas.W.Darnowski@washcoll.edu (Douglas W. Darnowski) Date: 24 Jan 2000 14:28:02 EST XSubject: Cheap Water Trays Not about cp's, but there is a nice article in the latest Fiddlehead Forum (Bulletin of the American Fern Society, which has a web page) on the ferns of the tepuis, including endemic species. Also a story about an expedition drugging itself by eating blueberries which it found on top of Cerro de Neblina when stranded there for some days. Doug Darnowski ################### From: Michael Feddersen Date: Mon, 24 Jan 2000 15:54:40 -0800 (PST) Subject: Old Nepenthes Seed Jean, That's amazing that the seed sprouted after all that time. Was there any special conditions to store the seed? If not then I have some N. merrilliana seed from 1996 that has been in an airtight jar in the re- frigerator for all of that time. I would be happy to give packets away for free to anyone to try and sprout the old seed via tc. Hopefully if it sprouts results would be announced on this listserv. Please I am not interested in any plants that sprouted in return, I have plenty. Who knows maybe something special might sprout like a varigated one again. E-mail me at bb626@scn.org Truly, Tom Kahl/Nepenthes Club ################### From: "Paul Edwards" Date: Tue, 25 Jan 2000 14:30:51 +1100 Subject: Re: Dry Season in NT, AU For temperature averages throughout Australia, take a look at the Australian Bureau of Meteorology at www.bom.gov.au/climate/averages Paul ----- Original Message ----- To: Multiple recipients of list Sent: Sunday, January 23, 2000 2:40 AM > Paul, > Thanks for the info. I suspected as much but I couldn't verify it anywhere. > This should make growing the D. petiolaris complex easier in the NE USA where > the summer temps get really warm. > > Do you know what the temperature range is during the dry season and the wet > season? > > > > Hi Christoph, > > > > The dry season in Northern Oz is during Winter - June to August. Summer > > (especially from New Year onwards) is very wet / monsoonal. In Southern > > Australia (where I am) this is reversed. > ################### From: "Sundew" Date: Tue, 25 Jan 2000 18:28:34 +1100 Subject: Many thanks... Dear fellow cpers Many thanks for all of the advice, via the Listserve, as well as the personal ones, for my Lichen & earwig queries. Yet another great aspect of the Listserver! One quey whilst here. I am after a copy of the following video by PBS Television (USA) called 'Islands in the Mist', Nature (series name). It was aired on the 16 April 1989, & I am sure a few long term cpers would have it in their collections. If you know of anyone who may have this one, I would love to organise a copy! Many thanks. Regards Nathan J. Clemens Bowral NSW Australia sundew@mitmania.net.au "All those fake celebrities/ And all those vicious queens/ All the stupid papers/ And the stupid magazines/ Sweet dreams are made of anything/ That gets you in the scene" Peace, Eurythmics. [HTML file part2 deleted by listprocessor] ################### From: "Isao Takai" Date: Tue, 25 Jan 2000 23:43:47 +0900 Subject: Looking for Mr.Terry Bertozzi Sorry to post this here. I am looking for Mr.Terry Bertozzi. Terry-san, Konnichiwa! I would like to talk over TC with you. The matter is the distribution of a few Utrics to Australian Utric.fans by using your in-vitro technique. I know that some TC specialists exist in your country. However, to be a Utric.fan in them is only you. I don't know your current e-mail address. Please contact me! Kind regards Isao [HTML file part2 deleted by listprocessor] ################### From: "Sundew Sundew" Date: Tue, 25 Jan 2000 15:43:39 -0500 Subject: Biggest species of the petiolaris complex? Anybody know what the largest species belonging to the petiolaris complex is? Ive got 2 plants of what I think are derbyensis and, though only less than a year old, they're each about 4" wide. I just put them in the same pot to try to stunt their growth as I am running out of room! (Sure wish I had a greenhouse!!) Matt [HTML file part2 deleted by listprocessor] ################### From: "Sundew Sundew" Date: Tue, 25 Jan 2000 19:00:55 -0500 Subject: D.burkeana wanted Looking for seed of the true D.burkeana. Prefer seed of plants from the Chimanimani Mt.s but will take whatever I can get. "D.sp.Chimanimani Mt.s" was determined to be a form of natalensis. I've got this and dont need any more of it. For a pic of what I'm after, see: http://www.mcef.ep.usp.br/carnivoras/Photos/Genera/Drosera/natalensis__burkeana_Chimanimani_09_1997.jpg Happy growing Matt [HTML file part2 deleted by listprocessor] ################### From: JWi5770869@aol.com Date: Tue, 25 Jan 2000 20:14:55 EST Subject: Silicone Dear All, Everyone picked up on the harmful additives in the 'industrial' silicones that were mentioned.However if you want one of the fish/ pet/ plant friendly silicones then try a good aquarium store for supplies, and ask for advice.However, I dont know what prices are like in the USA , but here in the UK the aquarium grade sealant works out as quite expensive. I have heard it said that the industrial sealants aren't as strong as the aquarium grade sealants, hence their non recommendation as aquarium sealants. John Wilden Southport Lancs. UK ################### From: "Susan Farrington" Date: Wed, 26 Jan 2000 07:31:04 -0600 Subject: Silica sand I went to my local Home Depot yesterday to buy a couple of bags of white silica sandblasting sand for potting up a bunch of carnivorous plants, and was told that Home Depot no longer carries the stuff, as it causes cancer! I know, of course, that the stuff is dangerous when one is sandblasting with it, and that if you're dumb enough not to use proper protection when blasting, it will get into your lungs and certainly mess you up big time. But many things are dangerous if used incorrectly! And ALL sand is silica in it... the white stuff is just more pure. So shall they eliminate play sand, too, as dangerous? I started to panic anyway, wondering what I will use to pot my cp's if silica sand disappears off the market, but fortunately I found the same brand of sand at a local lumber store. I asked them if they'd heard anything about it being banned, and they said no, that probably Home Depot just doesn't want to carry it. I guess it's one more result of our litigious society! Anyone else know anything about this? Susan Farrington Missouri Botanical Garden P.O. Box 299 St. Louis MO 63166-0299 susan.farrington@mobot.org (314)577-9402 ################### From: Michael Feddersen Date: Wed, 26 Jan 2000 10:46:14 -0800 (PST) Subject: Old N. merrilliana seed Hello, I was a little overwhelmed by the response for seed. Don't worry there is a business size envelope stuffed full of seed that I will divide into packets. If you have or will e-mail me requesting seed I'll send you some but I am going to have to ask that everyone wanting the free old 10/05/96 N. merrilliana seed to send me a SASE with enough postage or irc equivilent. Mail it to Tom Kahl/Nepenthes Club at 8219 South 130th Street, Seattle,WA 98178-4945 USA. Good luck getting it to sprout in culture. Truly, Tom Kahl/Nepenthes Club ################### From: j.dewitte@t-online.de Date: Wed, 26 Jan 2000 20:28:16 +0100 (MET) Subject: seek Sorry to abuse the list, but I tried to e-mail Tom Kahl and got thrown out. Tom, do you have another e-mail address? If not, my snail mail is Jean-Pierre De Witte Oststrasse 8 D77866 Rheinau Germany mailto: j.dewitte@t-online.de Time: 20:26:30 http://www.jeandewitte.de This message was sent by XFMail ---------------------------------- ################### From: Gallep@aol.com Date: Wed, 26 Jan 2000 17:39:21 EST Subject: GFP: New address of the homepage The homepage of GFP (Carnivorous Plant Society for the German-speaking Area) has got a new address: http://www.carnivoren.org The email-addresses of GFP have also changed. ...gfp.org has to be replaced by ... carnivoren.org. Please be so kind to update your files and links. Yours Frank Gallep ################### From: "Fernando Rivadavia-Lopes" Date: Thu, 27 Jan 2000 01:02:04 -0200 Subject: Neblina weddings Dear "E.T.", >One team, then a second one, etc and now a wedding ! For when a funfair or a moovie with >indiana johns ? I was very disapointed when i learnt the discoveries made during the first travel on the >Neblina tepui because i knew it was the begin of the end for this last savage and untouched >ecosystem. Unfortunately, the facts don't reassure me at all. It becomes more and more an up to date >destination. Not far enough. Not expensive enough. It seems that all this is happenning in a general >indifference like if it was the destiny of humans beeing to colonize, destroy and then regret their ancestor's >acts. I guarantee you I wasn't too happy either with the wedding at Neblina (by your compatriots, BTW....). Fortunately Neblina still is WAY too expensive, distant, exausting, and dangerous for most people. Mostly crazy foreigners go there..... :) Best Wishes, Fernando Rivadavia Sao Paulo, Brazil ################### From: Steve Hinkson Date: Wed, 26 Jan 2000 21:58:33 -0800 Subject: Silica and sand "Home Depot no longer carries the stuff, as it causes cancer!" Susan, and others interested: Yes, the silica in sand is not only carcinogenic, but it's also able to cause mechanical lung dysfunction too. Susan, you don't need to ask the CP newsgroup about play-sand, there's a federally mandated hazard warning on every bag. It's only the free dust that poses any threat. Many bags of "play sand" have been pre-washed (hence, the "pre washed play sand" label. *grin*) The warning's still on the bag, because the manufacturer wants to limit liability on the quality of the washing, and the fact that more free silica could have chipped off the sand in transport. Sand isn't dangerous at all, if wet, as in a potted plant. Sand isn't dangerous at all, if periodically washed of the dust. But, Sand, particularly manufactured sand, is very dangerous if handled carelessly before washing. Likely, Home Depot couldn't get the white sand prewashed, and so the employees should wear masks when handling it, and it wasn't all that profitable to begin with. Steve -- "You can easily judge the character of a person by how he treats those who can do nothing for him or to him." Malcolm Forbes Drop by and see me at : http://www.geocities.com/HotSprings/Spa/6811 ################### From: "Richard Jobson" Date: Thu, 27 Jan 2000 16:18:30 +1100 Subject: U. menziesii culture Dear List members, I recently bought some U. menziesii tubers from Allan Lowrie. They are currently at rest and I am wondering if the soil should be dried out a little during this rest period, or better to keep it wet? Is anyone aware of the habitat/soil conditions outside of the flowering/growing season (june - Sept) in Western Australia. Will the tubers rot if left wet? Thanks for any help, Richard. ################### From: Dionaea@aol.com Date: Thu, 27 Jan 2000 06:59:57 EST Subject: RE: Silica Sand Susan, I don't know anything about this issue but I just ran out of sand, and need to get some more. Could you tell me what the brand is that you are using? Thanks a bunch. Christoph > I went to my local Home Depot yesterday to buy a couple of bags of > white silica sandblasting sand for potting up a bunch of carnivorous > plants, and was told that Home Depot no longer carries the stuff, as it > causes cancer! I know, of course, that the stuff is dangerous when one > is sandblasting with it, and that if you're dumb enough not to use > proper protection when blasting, it will get into your lungs and > certainly mess you up big time. But many things are dangerous if used > incorrectly! And ALL sand is silica in it... the white stuff is just more > pure. So shall they eliminate play sand, too, as dangerous? > > I started to panic anyway, wondering what I will use to pot my cp's if > silica sand disappears off the market, but fortunately I found the same > brand of sand at a local lumber store. I asked them if they'd heard > anything about it being banned, and they said no, that probably Home > Depot just doesn't want to carry it. I guess it's one more result of our > litigious society! > > Anyone else know anything about this? > > > Susan Farrington > Missouri Botanical Garden > P.O. Box 299 > St. Louis MO 63166-0299 > susan.farrington@mobot.org > (314)577-9402 > ################### From: "Sundew Sundew" Date: Thu, 27 Jan 2000 07:34:47 -0500 Subject: Re: silica sand Ive always had an impossible time finding "good" sand. What was the brand of this silica sand and does anyone know where I can find some of the same stuff? In the past, all Id seen at Home Depot was play sand or construction sand. I've had to get "pool filter sand", first at a nursery which later closed down and then at a pool supply store. From the results Ive been getting, I'm starting to thnk this sand is not ideal for CP so Ive avoided using sand in my mixes lately. Any suggestions? Can anyone think of why this pool filter sand might not be ideal? I did a pH test and it was either neutral or slightly acidic. Matt usan Farrington" > To: cp@opus.hpl.hp.com > Subject: Silica sand > Message-ID: <200001261327.HAA18627@vitis.mobot.org> > > I went to my local Home Depot yesterday to buy a couple of bags of > white silica sandblasting sand for potting up a bunch of carnivorous > plants, and was told that Home Depot no longer carries the stuff, as it > causes cancer! I know, of course, that the stuff is dangerous when one > is sandblasting with it, and that if you're dumb enough not to use > proper protection when blasting, it will get into your lungs and > certainly mess you up big time. But many things are dangerous if used > incorrectly! And ALL sand is silica in it... the white stuff is just more > pure. So shall they eliminate play sand, too, as dangerous? > > I started to panic anyway, wondering what I will use to pot my cp's if > silica sand disappears off the market, but fortunately I found the same > brand of sand at a local lumber store. I asked them if they'd heard > anything about it being banned, and they said no, that probably Home > Depot just doesn't want to carry it. I guess it's one more result of our > litigious society! > > Anyone else know anything about this? ################### From: "Mellard, David" Date: Thu, 27 Jan 2000 09:40:07 -0500 Subject: RE: Neblina weddings >Mostly crazy foreigners go there..... :) And a few native (lucky) Brazilians. David ################### From: Rand Nicholson Date: Thu, 27 Jan 2000 11:16:54 +0500 Subject: Re:Thoughts on a Maritime Winter Hi All: Thoughts on a Maritime Winter Oh, give me a swamp Where Drosera romp And skeeters and no-see-ums run free. That's where you'll see Me up to my knees In muck and Sarr-a-cen-ee! It is terrible what happens to people that are snowed in, isn't it? Kind Regards, Rand Rand Nicholson Maritime New Brunswick, Canada Zone 5b (Two weeks of snow storms, freezing rain, rain: Snowing again ... Moose are begging door-to-door for blankets, snowshoes & Bic lighters ...) ################### From: "Stefan P. Wolf" Date: Thu, 27 Jan 2000 16:12:57 +0100 Subject: carnivorous books > Date: Sat, 22 Jan 2000 20:11:29 -0500 > From: "Zach Katz" > Subject: carnivorous books > I'm looking for a name of a good botanist that did some work with > carnivorous plants and that has either a biography or autobiography > out. It could be on some kind of trip someone took or anything just > something in that subject area and that there is a book that one can > pick up at any bookstore. If you have a name that would really help > me out. Thanx. Hi Zach! The only botanists that did work on CP *AND* have a (auto)biography out are Charles Darwin and William Bartram. Not that their books "Insectivorous Plants" and "'TRAVELS THROUGH NORTH AND SOUTH CAROLINA, GEORGIA, EAST AND WEST FLORIDA...'" are available in each and every bookshop but old and new copies are around since 1875/1791 respectively. You mentioned "trip" so if this is some kind of quiz I would say Bartram's travels. (one of the) First to mention Sarrs as CP in this book. I don't know what you were really after but if it's about CP books feel free to ask more or see my website. Best regards, Stefan. -- Dipl.-Inform. Stefan P. Wolf ................................................ mail : Zehlendorfer Str. 69, 24111 Kiel, GERMANY phone: (+49 431) 5973173 * fax: (+49 431) 697568 CP books >> http://www.angelfire.com/de/cpbooks/ ................................................ ################### From: "Steve Klitzing" Date: Thu, 27 Jan 2000 09:19:56 PST Subject: Interesting Greenhouse result Hi all: I had an interesting result with my greenhouse, orchids, and CPs. four weeks ago, I was facing a moderate infestation of scale and mites. I chose to give my CPs and orchids a bit of a rest from watering, and harldy watered anything for about a month. The CPs and orchids are fine, having started watering them again. And the scale and mites have largely disappeared. The greenhouse interior has been decently warm at night this winter with a small space heater. Does anyone know why this result occurred? Shouldn't the scale and mites still be giving me a problem? ---Steve Klitzing ################### From: "Charles Redding" Date: Thu, 27 Jan 2000 18:13:17 PST Subject: Drosera Wanted Hello everyone! I am interested in buying or trading for some Drosera. I am interested in D. filiformis aliciae ditchitoma giant binata multifida extreema gigantea If anyone can help me obtain these I would be very thankful Thanks for your help Charles Redding ################### From: (Howard J. Wu L.Ac) Date: Thu, 27 Jan 2000 19:49:57 +0000 Subject: Blasted sand. Silica dust can cause silicosis, a irreversable but totally preventable lung disease, not cancer. What will Home Depo comsummers now use to blast their fenders clean? I used to by small bags of horticultural sand from Thrifty's Drugstore before Bi-Rite bought them out and took it off their selves. This looked like washed beach sand. Lately from a local nursery, I've been using horticultural sand marketed by Uni-gro (Chico, CA.) This looks like washed river sand and has an orange hue rather than a greyish hue of the other commerical horticultural sand I had used before. The first few terrestial utric's I've transplanted into a 50/50 sand/peat mix with this new brand have responded very well indeed. I've seen more vigorous growth and flowers in plants I haven't seen bloom before. I haven't proven this sand to be superior by using tight scientific controls but plan to explore this further. > I went to my local Home Depot yesterday to buy a couple of bags of white >silica sandblasting sand for potting up a bunch of carnivorous plants, >and was told that Home Depot no longer carries the stuff, as it causes >cancer! I know, of course, that the stuff is dangerous when one is >sandblasting with it, and that if you're dumb enough not to use proper >protection when blasting, it will get into your lungs and certainly mess >you up big time. But many things are dangerous if used incorrectly! And >ALL sand is silica in it... the white stuff is just more pure. So shall >they eliminate play sand, too, as dangerous? > > I started to panic anyway, wondering what I will use to pot my cp's if >silica sand disappears off the market, but fortunately I found the same >brand of sand at a local lumber store. I asked them if they'd heard >anything about it being banned, and they said no, that probably Home >Depot just doesn't want to carry it. I guess it's one more result of our >litigious society! > > Anyone else know anything about this? > > Susan Farrington Missouri Botanical Garden P.O. Box 299 St. Louis MO >63166-0299 susan.farrington@mobot.org (314)577-9402 > Howard J. Wu Bishop Ca. mrwu@qnet.com ################### From: Sunpitcher@aol.com Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2000 00:57:35 EST Subject: silica sand I still get my sandblasting sand at Lowe's. You might try there. After this recent discussion I may stockpile a few bags in case they decide not to carry it also. Angie Nichols, SC It snowed here Tuesday :) ################### From: Douglas.W.Darnowski@washcoll.edu (Douglas W. Darnowski) Date: 28 Jan 2000 08:19:20 EST Subject: Silica sand As for a source of silica sand, I get mine from a ceramics supplier--Ceramic King of New Mexico. They're on the web. Works fine, and you can buy different grades. Doug Darnowski ################### From: "Michael Hunt" Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2000 08:23:14 -0500 Subject: Re: Silica and sand ----- Original Message ----- To: Multiple recipients of list Sent: Thursday, January 27, 2000 1:07 AM > > "Home Depot no longer carries the stuff, as it > causes cancer!" > Susan, and others interested: > Yes, the silica in sand is not only carcinogenic, but it's also able to cause > mechanical lung dysfunction too. Susan, you don't need to ask the CP newsgroup > about play-sand, there's > a federally mandated hazard warning on every bag. It's only the free dust that > poses any threat. ...Don't let Home Depot know how dangerous the dust is with the bulk bags of perlite they are selling. The dust associated with perlite can really do some lung damage. ~Mike ################### From: Nicholas Plummer Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2000 09:27:37 -0500 (EST) Subject: Nepenthes curtisii A couple of months ago, I asked about the identity of Nepenthes curtisii. Jan explained that it is a synonym of N. maxima, but several people also said that at least one hybrid is floating around the U.S. under that name. It was mentioned that the hybrid is probably N. maxima x N. albomarginata. I have finally taken some photos of my plant labeled "N. curtisii." Upper pitchers only, I'm afraid. The plant originally came from Atlanta Botanic Gardens. Does this look like the putative N. maxima x N. albomarginata, or is it probably some other hybrid? the picture is at: http://www.duke.edu/~nplummer/nepenthes2.html cheers, Nick (digging out in Durham, NC. The Sarracenias are still buried under snow) -------------------- Nicholas Plummer nplummer@duke.edu http://www.duke.edu/~nplummer/ ################### From: "John Green" Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2000 08:43:50 -0700 Subject: Re: Silica Sand Susan and others having a hard time finding silica sand... I've been able to buy 50 lb bags of silica sand from a store called Sutherland's, which is mostly a lumber store trying to look like a Home Depot. The service is lousy, the sand is a bit dusty, and it's a bit tough lifting a 50 lb bag of sand into the back of my car (even for a He-Man like me!), but it works fine. I realize that Sutherland's probably isn't in all states (and likely not outside the US), but maybe you could check the stores that aren't just huge chains. If I remember correctly, it was pretty cheap, too, around $5 for the bag, which is only twice what I paid for a 2 lb bag of the same exact stuff at the garden center. John Green Salt Lake City, Utah ################### From: "Paul Edwards" Date: Sat, 29 Jan 2000 09:31:16 +1100 Subject: Database Hi all, I'm looking for a computer database program to maintain my CP listings, various work that I've done etc etc etc Has anyone got any ideas? --------------------------------------------- Paul Edwards, Bampton Park, Neerim South, Victoria. Australia. edwards@net2000.com.au --------------------------------------------- ################### From: Paul Temple Date: Sat, 29 Jan 2000 13:23:40 +0000 Subject: Re: Database >I'm looking for a computer database program to maintain my CP listings, >various work that I've done etc etc etc >Has anyone got any ideas? As I've said before, I try not to discuss this topic for fear of annoying others - you know who you are :-}. But since you legitimised this mail by asking (thank you, thank you, thank you)... Announcing that the promised software (database) for maintaining any (yes any) plant collection including CP's is now ready. The product is called GENUSTOR. I'm just completing the development of a website so that we can avoid future discussions like this and just point people at it. Meanwhile, here is a brief-ish description with other notes. Before I list any functionality, let me say why I hadn't announced the releae yet. The software was tested by about 30 people including some of the UK's National Collection holders and quite a few CP collectors from around the world. Because of the support from the cP goup and to reflect my relationship with CP societies (my primary plant interest) I have offered the CP societies the first chance to launch the product. In return, I offer a benefit of suport for the society (i.e. my company will give a donation or payment to support the work of the society). I hope the ICPS does not mind me stating here that it's my belief that they have agreed to support GENUSTOR and advertise it. Ther ICPS's ability advertise GENUSTOR will soon be ready, I am told, and on notification I will be supplying them with details. I hope the UK CPS will be similarly interested and look forward to discussions with any member of their committee (hint hint!). However, this is not a CP system per se so other societies (possibly even other CP societies) can also promote GENUSTOR and will gain the same financial benefits as a result. (Oh yes, the testers can look forward to their copies soon.) As to the software, it is Windows complient and runs on Windows 3.1 and 3.1.1, Windows9x, and Windows NT. (WE are looking at a reduced version to run on Windows CE so that you can take your entire Collection List with you on visits to other people or to Garden Centres/Plant Specialists, but this is not present yet. We're happy to receive suggestions for changes/additions from individuals or societies.) GENUSTOR comes complete with a large help file to help with using the software, understanding some aspects of plant collection recording, and some help with botany. The system allows you to select between automatically or manually assigning a unique identifier (called an accession number - any scientifically valid record should assign an accession number) to each record (manual accession numbers can be alphanumeric). The plant name is entered into individual fields for Family, genus (mandatory), species, subspecies, variety and form. Other fields allow entry of Cultivar name and parent names (for hybrids). The system can be set up by the user to default to hybrid or species (non-hybrid) entry. Family name and Genus name can also each be set up to default to preferred values. In ddition or instead, the Family name can be linked to Genus name(s) so that entry of the genus automatically enters the family name. All of this is factory set for Carnivorous Plant and Bromeliad collections. We could add factory settings for other plant groups (e.g. Orchids, Cacti, etc.) on request from an appropriate Plant Society. A unique feature of GENUSTOR is what we term the "name suffix" and it solves a particular problem. Those who read the listserver a lot will possibly have noted the expert comments sometimes made by taxonomists such as Jan Schlauer with regard to the correct naming of plants. In CP this is a particular problem. Take my favourite genus - Pinguicula. Everyone knows of P. moranensis. It happens to represent one of the most poorly named plant types in people's collections. Regrettably, there are more than 30 different plant names that appear, each reputedly a different "type" of P. moranenis. Examples are P. moranensis alba, P. moranensis caudat, P. moranensis mexicana and numerous others, many based on location names. Botanists know that the true name for all (yes all) of them is P. moranensis. There are no current valid types (no subs epecies, no varieties, no forms, no cultivars). But collectors have valid reasons to want to distinguish between plants that are popularly separated by superficial features. The "name suffix" field allows you to record the unscientific bit (e.g. caudata, mexicana, alba, etc.) withjout corrupting the valid name (e.g. P. moranensis). So, with this field you can maintain a scientifically accurate list of your plants yet still maintain the non-scientific part of the name that collectors need. Alternatively, for purists, you can create a record of the name the plant arrived with and then "reidentify" the plant creating a new record using the true scientific name. In GENUSTOR you use a single button click to create the new record and automatically create links between the old and new records. Each record then allows a single mouse click to show the linked record. Another problem solved by GENUSTOR is also very relevent to CPers (and others). Most of us swap plant (OK - no criticism from those I owe plants please - when the weather warms up you'll get everything!). And if you swap plants, you need to swap lists. But two things present a proble, First, if you're swapping pygmy sundews with someone, you don't need to print a list of the whole collection. And secondly, we all like secrets. So sometimes you don't want to include everthing in a list, even if it belongs in the list. So GENUSTOR solves this in two ways. First, you acn assign each plant record to one or more "collections". So, take the example Drosera pygmaea. It's automatically in the collection of Drosera. You acn the create other collection mnames and assign it to them. Examples might be "Carnivorous Plants", "Sundews", "Pygmy Sundews", "Australian Plants", "Plants my friend gave me", etc. These can be scientific or non-scientific groupings but again are very usefull to collectors. You can then create lists (on screen, as data files or printed) by selecting just the collection name. Whether or not you search or create a list in this way, some plants may be "special" and you wont want to publish the fact that you have such a plant (there are several valid reasons for why this might be true). So use the "Sensitivity" box and with a single click, any future listing will not include the records marked as sensitive (until you uncheck the sensitivty field). You can also record as many pseudonyms as you like for a plant. This includes both common names and scientific synonyms. And you can search for records using the current valid scientific name (genus is mandatory but you can incude the species, subspecies, etc. in thesearch criteria), a common name or a synonym. Then there's lots more fields to record things like growing conditions, source details (wild source or commercial) and large free text fields in which you can write what you like. GENUSTOR comes with a complete list of all current plant Family names so you don't need to worry about spelling them! You can add new family names and any Genus name that you wish to use repeatedly. If you set up the Family/Genus link described above, selection of a family will automatically limit the choice of genera to those linked to the Family (a feature we were asked to include). And like most shrink-wrapped software, there's free email support for an initial period. OK. That's a long enough mail to attract some criticism so no more description. Two quotes by separate CP testers are: with regard to content - "GENUSTOR is feature rich" and with regard to use "Hey, this is fun!". I'm trying to decide where to place a trial copy of GENUSTOR so that people interested can get hold of it via FTP. Any advice on this would now be very appreciated, though soon we hope to find our own website will allow FTP. I'm happy to begin sales of GENUSTOR (of course I am!!!) and any sales will count toward the promised support we will give to Societies. Which leads to price. The price will be in the \24330-40 range (excluding postage and packing) which licenses a single user. However, if enough people were interested and a volunteer came forward, I would be willing to offer a discount for a single mass order, probably in the rangle \24320-30. I'm happy to make this really easy - if one person/organisation were to agree to receive all orders and forward on a single payment in US Dollars or UK Pounds, along with a typed list (or sticky lables) of purchasers. We would then mail out the order to each purchaser. I might possibly be able to offer this deal on a geographical basis. If people are interested in this, I need contact from a suitable volunteer (organisation/individual). For the moment, anyone interested in GENUSTOR acn discuss it on any appropriate venue. I'm happy to answer general questions ion this listserver as long as others consider it "on topic". I should not be the one to decide how "on-topic" this is or remains. Alternatively, you can ask me questions by sending email to: paultemple@ecologycal.com My normal email addresses can be used for general email as usual but GENUSTOR related topics will get better attention if addressed as requested. Note that paultemple@ecologycal.domon.co.uk is my normal email address and therefore is different from and not the preferred address for email on GENUSTOR. Sorry for the length of this mail folks. I will announce the website when it's available but that will only be a short notice. Regards Paul ################### From: "Andrew Marshall" Date: Sat, 29 Jan 2000 09:38:04 -0800 Subject: N. x Curtisii Hi Nick, Yeah, that is N. x Curtisii alright. N. maxima x N. albomarginata. I have some interesting stories for off-line telling one day concerning that plant. Meanwhile, check inder the peristome of newly opened uppers to see a faint buff coloured ring... the vestiges of N. albomarginata still visible. Best wishes Andrew ################### From: "Sundew Sundew" Date: Sat, 29 Jan 2000 13:36:38 -0500 Subject: Quikcrete Sand OK? Just purchased some of Quikcrete's all-purpose fine sand for my precious Drosera. Anyone know if this is OK or not? http://www.quikrete.com/products/sands.htm Matt ################### From: Christer Berglund Date: Sat, 29 Jan 2000 20:10:24 +0100 Subject: D. peltata question Hi, I have recently tried to grow tuberous drosera for the first time (bicolor, auriculata, peltata). The D. peltata (Madden, WA) germinated within a month and largest of them are now, 8 weeks later, just short of 1/2 " tall. Is the 'WA form' as easily cultivated as the other forms or does it differ in any way? I know that its best to avoid replanting tub's when they are in full growth, but has anyone tried it successfully? BTW, my N. veitchii (Sungai Samba) has finally grown a pitcher with the characteristic flared peristome, what a beauty! Regards, -- Christer Berglund E-mail: christer.berglund@amiga.pp.se ################### From: "Carl Strohmenger (HSC)" Date: Sat, 29 Jan 2000 18:24:08 -0500 (EST) Subject: Re: Database I use FileMaker Pro (available for both Windows and Mac machines) to maintain all my plant information. It is easy to define or add fields as needed, generate reports, find sub-sets of the whole DB, print reports of the found sub-sets, etc. The manual is straightforward. - Carl On Fri, 28 Jan 2000, Paul Edwards wrote: > Hi all, > > I'm looking for a computer database program to maintain my CP listings, > various work that I've done etc etc etc > > Has anyone got any ideas? > > > --------------------------------------------- > Paul Edwards, > Bampton Park, > Neerim South, Victoria. > Australia. > edwards@net2000.com.au > --------------------------------------------- > > > > ################### From: Tim Malcolm Date: Sat, 29 Jan 2000 16:27:57 -0800 (PST) Subject: Tips for growing U. volubilis Hi List, I've managed to germinate U. volubilis, but now I'm concerned about what to do next. Is it going to be tricky to keep alive? I've read through some old cp-digests from the mid 90s and it sounds like Barry Meyers-Rice had successfully germinated and cultivated this species, and I imagine others have too. Are there any utric experts out there who could give me some advice? Thanks. ------------------------ Tim Malcolm malcol01@camosun.bc.ca ################### From: "sundew" Date: Sun, 30 Jan 2000 15:53:19 +1100 Subject: Dionaea muscipula double petioles and traps Dear fellow cpers I am wondering as to what is the best option for the following. I have a _Dionaea muscipula_ that has decided to put out a double trap, as well as a double petiole, splitting in two towards the trap's apex. The latest growth to emerge has not shown any present continuation. I want to take leaf cuttings of both petioles, and would like to know when is the best way to ensure a good take rate. Another thing, has the D.m.f. clam been given a proper varietal name, as well as any others? Will there be a review of all forms eg. dentate, banded, so as to ensure proper identification and preservation? The _Sarracenias_ got their's, so how about the ambassador to cp's? Regards Nathan J. Clemens sundew@mitmania.net.au Bowral NSW Australia "Clouds bursting in a perfect sky, open up and drench these thirsty souls..." [HTML file part2 deleted by listprocessor] ################### From: Paul Temple Date: Sun, 30 Jan 2000 10:52:26 +0000 Subject: Re: GENUSTOR - price got corrupted Just to restate the approxmate prices (we're negotiating specifics with the Societies). In my earlier mail the UK pound sign got corrupted and reinterpreted so making the price range unintelligable. We anticipate we will sell GENUSTOR in the price range of 30 - 40 UK pounds which translates as a price of less than 60 US Dollars. Were a bulk purchase to be requersted as described in the earlier mail, there would be a one off reduction in price (subject to sufficient orders). Sorry to write again on this, but several people have asked for this info. Regards Paul ################### From: Nicholas Plummer Date: Sun, 30 Jan 2000 08:35:11 -0500 Subject: Nepenthes x Curtisii Andrew Marshall wrote: >Yeah, that is N. x Curtisii alright. N. maxima x N. albomarginata. I >have some interesting stories for off-line telling one day concerning that >plant. > Meanwhile, check inder the peristome of newly opened uppers to see a >faint buff coloured ring... the vestiges of N. albomarginata still visible. I had wondered about that ring. It gets hidden when the peristome folds down, so I wasn't sure if it was evidence of the parentage or just my imagination. Thanks for the confirmation. Next question: Is N. x Curtisii a valid hybrid name under the ICPS rules of nomenclature, or is it forbidden since it is also a synonym of N. maxima? cheers, Nick ------------------------- Nicholas Plummer nplummer@duke.edu http://www.duke.edu/~nplummer/ ################### From: Steven Stewart Date: Sun, 30 Jan 2000 10:59:14 -0500 Subject: Quickrete To Matt concerning Quickrete sand. I use "playsand" which is produced by Quickrete, mixed with two parts Canadian Sphagnum peat, for my Drosera traycii, regia and hamiltonii. I also have great success with Sarracenia and Cephalotus in the same mix. I live in Florida but would think any product claiming to be "all purpose", (which playsand also claims) should give you similar results to mine. I use RO filtered water, which is very soft and has a pH of 5.5. I also top dress my mix with live moss when growing large species, just my 2 cents. Take care, Steven Stewart Sanford, Fl USA ################### From: Steven Stewart Date: Sun, 30 Jan 2000 11:19:06 -0500 Subject: Two headed flytrap To Nathan on leaf propagation of VFTs. I have several plants I propagated from a plant with two, two headed leaves and one three headed leaf, this last summer. I simply uprooted the plant, carefully removing all potting material. I then pealed the deformed (or possibly futuristic) leaves, with white basal material attached from the rhizome, and placed them in live Sphagnum. In a couple of months numerous small traps began to emerge. It is important to keep the Sphagnum from over-growing the small plants. I'm certain there are people doing tissue culture that may have a more scientific, sterile technique than mine, and I am not sure the abnormality will come out with my method (the small plants look normal). Take care, Steven Stewart Sanford, Fl USA ################### From: Ivan Snyder Date: Sun, 30 Jan 2000 09:13:21 -0800 Subject: Heliamphora sp.? Hi Cpers, Last year I aquired about 100 wild collected seed of Heliamphora which was collected by a group of CP nuts who climbed Mount Neblina. The seed was a mix of both H. neblina and tatei. I sowed these all together on live Sphagnum and refrigerated them for one month. I then took them out of the frige and put them under my light system and germination began after another few weeks. I had many sprout but most of these either died and got moldy or got moldy and died. Four seedlings continued to grow. One of the four had distinctly larger seed leaves to begin with and grew much better, the rest barely grew at all. I kept the best one for myself and gave the other three genetic liabilities to other growers. Now, almost one year later, my one plant has pitchers one inch tall. I had grown Heliamphorae from seed before and am sure that this one plant grew far better than any others. This plant is also very red. I was told that H. minor has much red coloration, but the seed was not taken from that species. To account for my seedling's superior growth and deeper color I have an idea that possibly it is a natural hybrid. Botanist Phil Sheridan has reported that natural Sarracenia hybrids have more anthocyanin red. Perhaps hybrid vigor gives the plant better growth? Maybe in another year when I see the mature pitcher shape I will be able to positively identify the plant. It will be years before the plant is large enough to propagate, so please don't ask. My friend Ed Read wants to start it invetro in that far future. Ivan Snyder Hermosa Beach California ________________________________________________________________ YOU'RE PAYING TOO MUCH FOR THE INTERNET! Juno now offers FREE Internet Access! Try it today - there's no risk! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. ################### From: "Fred C. Heller" Date: Sun, 30 Jan 2000 20:18:48 +0100 (MET) Subject: Re: Two headed flytrap This kind of abnormality is actually very interresting as it shows a genetic modification of the plant. I am interrested in knowing if all traps function properly on those VFTs. Since it has mutated the seeds should carry the same genetic message as the parent plant, so that every so many offspring , one will come out with double or treble headed leafs. I would be interrested in obtaining one of the small plants you separated from them or a leaf cutting. Fred At 08:17 30/01/2000 -0800, you wrote: >To Nathan on leaf propagation of VFTs. I have several plants I >propagated from a plant with two, two headed leaves and one three headed >leaf, this last summer. I simply uprooted the plant, carefully removing >all potting material. I then pealed the deformed (or possibly >futuristic) leaves, with white basal material attached from the rhizome, >and placed them in live Sphagnum. In a couple of months numerous small >traps began to emerge. It is important to keep the Sphagnum from >over-growing the small plants. I'm certain there are people doing tissue >culture that may have a more scientific, sterile technique than mine, >and I am not sure the abnormality will come out with my method (the >small plants look normal). >Take care, >Steven Stewart >Sanford, Fl USA > > ################### From: Tim Williams Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2000 09:09:46 +0900 Subject: Silica sand Dear CP growers, The topic of hazards associated with silica sand and other silica gardening products is one that crops up periodically in lists such as ours. I've posted this message before (a few years back...?), regarding the silica hazard. Whilst silica dust ("any" dust) is worth ovoiding, the real damage occurs not from bags of sand from shops used periodically by plant enthusiasts, but when mining and particularly when cutting through silicaceous rock. Freshly cut (or crushed) silica is very reactive, and micron-sized particles find their way deep into the lungs. The fresh, reactive particle then proceeds to react with lung tissue, perhaps initiating silicosis. However, once the dust is wet or "aged", the exposed bonds become attached to water (hydroxyl groups) and render the silica much less harmful. This takes place naturally (in moist air) over a few hours. If you are worried about handling silica containing products, you have only to wet the stuff before handling it, and of course wash freshly purchased material to remove the ultrafine hazardous particles. Storing the sand slightly damp is probably the best way, as is wearing a face-mask. Plantsmen have after all been using silica sand for centuries, but never handling it dry (I guess....) Tim Williams, Tokyo Japan. [V-Card file tim.williams.vcf deleted by listprocessor] ################### From: "John W" Date: Sat, 29 Jan 2000 22:39:09 -0500 Subject: germinating Ping. seeds Hi, I'm only a CP beginner but am about to receive some seeds of Ping. Lutea and Ping. Primulifolia, I think both originated from Florida. Could someone give me some advice on how to germinate them, and how long it would take for them to get to blooming size. Your help is much appreciated. John W Toronto Canada ################### From: "Richard Jobson" Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2000 14:06:43 +1100 Subject: Genlisea aurea growth Hi, Anyone with stubborn little plants of Genlisea aurea could try submersing the pot. I tried this and the plants took off immediately. I suspect that they may be semi-aquatic in habit (Fernando should know). It will be great when the full monograph comes out for this amazing Genus, does anyone know anything about this work? Richard. ################### From: (Howard J. Wu L.Ac) Date: Sun, 30 Jan 2000 22:54:30 +0000 Subject: Turions U. australis At the end of last year I collect about two dozen turions of U. australis growning in a tub outside. These I have stored in my fridge. (4'C) Recently I noticed they all started to open. This has me very concern as it is snowing outside and don't know what I should do with them. These turions were to be my next year outdoor growing stock. This strain orginally came from Dr. Ademec (Czech Republic) as turions in Nov.98 and winter over last year ok in the same fridge. I have a little U. australis saved over from fall growing in an aquarium. But they are very stunted compared to outdoor cultivation. The scores of U. Bremi turions I have in the same fridge still look find. Heard of other plants species breaking dormancy mysteriously as if plants collective intuition knew something. Howard J. Wu Bishop Ca. mrwu@qnet.com ################### From: SCHLAUER@chemie.uni-wuerzburg.de Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2000 08:56:47 Subject: Re: Dionaea muscipula double petioles and traps Dear Nathan, > Another thing, has the D.m.f. clam been given a > proper varietal name, as well as any others? I do not know what you mean with "D.m.f." (I suppose from the context you mean some _Dionaea muscipula_ form/s). > Will there be a review of all forms eg. dentate, banded, so as > to ensure proper identification and preservation? Some descriptions of new _Dionaea_ cultivars have been submitted for publication in CPN recently, and you will see them published soon. I am not sure if this will cover all plants you know but some of the names crrently in "informal" use will indeed be registered as cultivar names. Kind regards Jan ################### From: bruce dudley Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2000 03:27:02 -0800 (PST) Subject: Flytrap leaves Hi All, The abnormalities being discussed here concerning the double traps have been discussed for some time, now. I remember having plants send up the odd leaf from time to time. However, there are more environmental conditions that produce these leaves than genetic. In genetically altered plants the condition will happen in the majority of leaves (all the leaves, even). What people are saying in these messages sound more environmentally induced -- sudden increases or decreases in light, changes in watering patterns, wide fluxuations in humidity levels, and/or wide changes in heat. The odd leaf won't signify anything. In one message, the grower discussed peeling off a leaf, rooting it, and all the traps produced were normal! When someone produces a plant where all the traps are double, and this plant produces seeds where there are plants which carry on the trait I will change my idea and agree that these are genetic alterations. A question asked about the trap quality: My plants' leaves didn't function well. The double trap doesn't seem to have the same hydropressure in the mid-stem of the trap. Therefore, from the standpoint of trapping ability the "double trap" plant would not survive as well as the "single trap" plant. A natural selection mechanism that helps explain the rarity we are discussing. When plantlets are produced on the flower scape, same deal.... Usually, fluxuations in water/humidity will create plantlets on the flower scape. Sorry, guys. Environment fools us, sometimes. Bruce Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com ################### From: schlauer@chemie.uni-wuerzburg.de Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2000 12:26:16 +0000 Subject: Re: "Nepenthes x Curtisii" Dear Nick & al., > Next question: Is N. x Curtisii a valid hybrid name under the ICPS > rules of nomenclature, The ICPS does not have its own rules of nomenclature but it applies the rules of two other clubs, viz. the IAPT (International Association for Plant Taxonomy) that issues the ICBN (International Code of Botanical Nomenclature) applicable to the scientific naming of taxa (usually wild growing plants), and the ISHS (International Society for Horticultural Science) that issues the ICNCP (International Code for the Nomenclature of Cultivated Plants) applicable to the naming of cultivated plants. The ICPS strives after the universal application of both codes as far as names of carnivorous plants (both wild and cultivated) are concerned. > or is it forbidden since it is also a synonym of N. maxima? Nothing is forbidden in nomenclature. There is only a set of things that should be avoided because they violate rules that many wise persons have agreed upon. Breaking the rules does (most unfortunately ;-)) not render the malefactor liable to punishment, it rather punishes all the others who obey the rules, because it promotes confusion. The use of the name _N. curtisii_ (never with an upper case initial "C": this is a Latin epithet for a taxon, not a cultivar!) for a hybrid is violating the rules because the plant described initially under this name was a non-hybrid plant belonging to what is interpreted by most authors as _N. maxima_. _N. curtisii_ is based on another type, so the two names are taxonomic synonyms (according to the interpretation of taxonomists) but not nomenclatural (by rules laid down in one of the codes of nomenclature) ones. Formally, _N. curtisii_ is a *valid* name, but it is considered a later synonym of another valid name, viz. _N. maxima_, and it is therefore *not accepted* by most authors. This does, however, not mean that the name _N. curtisii_ is now "free" for the naming of other plants (e.g. hybrids). It must remain what it was originally, i.e. a synonym of _N. maxima_. There is no valid simple (i.e. non-formula) epithet for the hybrid _N. maxima_ * _N. albomarginata_at the moment. The name "N. albomax", however tempting it might be, was never validated by a published description. This is the reason why this name is illegitimate (it is a nomen nudum). Furthermore, this epithet would violate Recommendation H.10A.1 of the ICBN (but this alone would not be a sufficient reason to reject the name). The bottom line is, do not use the name _N. curtisii_ (neither with nor without a multiplication symbol) for any hybrid. Use the hybrid formula instead. 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The >seed was a mix of both H. neblina and tatei. I sowed these all together H. neblina does not exist - this is one of those picky taxonomic points I know, but as of the last strict publication that I'm aware of, it was reclassified as a var. of H. tatei - i.e. H. tatei var. neblinae. Now, this is still a contentious point - H. tatei var. tatei (which only exists on mountains further much further north, close to the Mt. Duida complex, and not near Mt. Neblina itself) seems to be a quite distinct plant; however, some would say it is correct to call the two a variety, others argue that its geographical separation means they should be classified as subspecies, still others say they are distinct species. Many authors also ignore this, which is annoying, and simply refer to the southern plants as H. neblinae. However, whichever way you want to look at it, it isn't the case that BOTH H. tatei and H. neblinae were collected from Neblina in the recent expedition. The true position is itself very confusing. The adventurers who went off to Neblina report that the H. tatei var. neblinae populations on the mountain were extremely variable; there was not an obvious "type" specimen amongst them. If you go to Andreas Wistubas website you can get an idea of this, he has published a few of his photos and you'll soon get the idea. In addition, they also found what looks like a new species, which they call H. sp. Neblinae - maybe this is the one you're referring to above when you say that you have "both" types of seed? (hence my statement above about misunderstandings!). This was quite different to the other plants on Neblina, and also the northern H. tatei variety. As far as identifying the plant goes, this may take a while, and may have to wait until the numerous culture lines already started from the collected seeds find their way into collections. The issue of Heliamphora taxonomy is itself a very confused one, due in no small part to the isolation of the tepuis in Venezuela, and the very few people that have explored them. This is as true of the eastern species (from the Roraima-Ilu range) as it is of the new Western Neblina plants! Bill Tribe Cambridge UK. ################### From: "Sundew Sundew" Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2000 07:59:38 -0500 Subject: re: Heliamphora sp Hi Ivan, I'm thinking the 3/4 Heliamphora seedlings you had which stayed small might have been inferior clones but the one youve got which is now 1" high might be large because tatei and neblineae are larger plants relative to the other Heliamphoras youmight have experience with. In other words, I'm not sure that what you have is a superior clone - it might just be a normal grower. As to the mold which killed the majority of the seedlings, did you try using any fungicide on the seed / seedlings? Also, do you really think stratification was necessary with these? When we spoke a while back regarding germination, it seemed like you were stratifying even species which I would never even consider stratifying. On a similar note, I hear Fernando's got one of Lowrie's new Heliamphora germinating techniques to tell us about - it greatly improves viability over time. I'm pretty anxious to hear more! Matt > From: Ivan Snyder > Hi Cpers, > > Last year I aquired about 100 wild collected seed of Heliamphora > which was collected by a group of CP nuts who climbed Mount Neblina. The > seed was a mix of both H. neblina and tatei. I sowed these all together > on live Sphagnum and refrigerated them for one month. I then took them > out of the frige and put them under my light system and germination began > after another few weeks. I had many sprout but most of these either died > and got moldy or got moldy and died. Four seedlings continued to grow. > > One of the four had distinctly larger seed leaves to begin with and grew > much better, the rest barely grew at all. I kept the best one for myself > and gave the other three genetic liabilities to other growers. Now, > almost one year later, my one plant has pitchers one inch tall. I had > grown Heliamphorae from seed before and am sure that this one plant grew > far better than any others. This plant is also very red. > > I was told that H. minor has much red coloration, but the seed was not > taken from that species. To account for my seedling's superior growth and > deeper color I have an idea that possibly it is a natural hybrid. > Botanist Phil Sheridan has reported that natural Sarracenia hybrids have > more anthocyanin red. Perhaps hybrid vigor gives the plant better growth? > Maybe in another year when I see the mature pitcher shape I will be able > to positively identify the plant. > > It will be years before the plant is large enough to propagate, so please > don't ask. My friend Ed Read wants to start it invetro in that far > future. > > Ivan Snyder > Hermosa Beach > California ################### From: "Susan Farrington" Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2000 07:15:08 -0600 Subject: Silica sand brand The brand name on the sandblasting sand I purchase is something like Unicin, I believe. (I don't have a bag here in front of me to look at.) It's a tan paper bag with blue on it. > Susan, > I don't know anything about this issue but I just ran out of sand, and > need to get some more. Could you tell me what the brand is that you > are using? > > Thanks a bunch. > Christoph Susan Farrington Missouri Botanical Garden P.O. Box 299 St. Louis MO 63166-0299 susan.farrington@mobot.org (314)577-9402 ################### From: "Stefan P. Wolf" Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2000 14:46:32 +0100 Subject: Re: Two headed flytrap Hi Fred! > This kind of abnormality is actually very interresting as it shows > a genetic modification of the plant. [...] > Since it has mutated the seeds should carry the same genetic message > as the parent plant, so that every so many offspring , one will come > out with double or treble headed leafs. I fear your idea of mutation and genetic code is a fellacy here. If your hair turns white from a shock or you get female features from eating too much hormone fed chicken that's nothing you could forward to your kids. As far as I know these "mutations" are mere stress syndromes which are very common in repotted, over/underfed, dry, plented to bad soil etc. VFTs. Spontaneous or excessively frequent flowering is another stress syndrome. Best regards, Stefan. -- Dipl.-Inform. Stefan P. Wolf ................................................ mail : Zehlendorfer Str. 69, 24111 Kiel, GERMANY phone: (+49 431) 5973173 * fax: (+49 431) 697568 CP books >> http://www.angelfire.com/de/cpbooks/ ................................................ ################### From: Hayes7@aol.com Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2000 09:07:38 EST Subject: Specimen plants of N. clipeata up for auction If commercial posts bother you, please exercise your delete finger now :) _____________________________________________________________ Nepenthes Enthusiasts in the USA, We are going to auction two mature plants of N. clipeata. Please visit this link to see a photo supplied by our vendor: http://tcscs.com/~thayes/photos/clipeata_dp.jpg The plant in the photo is 16" wide. The two plants up for auction (12"-14") don't have mature pitchers yet, but if grown in a suitable environment, will in a few months. The starting price is $200, plus express shipping ($25 flat rate, per plant). Send e-mail with your bid to: hayes7@aol.com. If this sounds high, consider that 2 1/2 - 3" wide plants of N. hamata are going for $125, and the N. clipeata are three years old, and over a foot wide. Instant Gratification! The auction will end Monday, Feb the 7th. All those who bid will be notified daily of the two highest bids to date, and you can bid again at any time. We usually don't offer mature plants, so don't miss out. They will make fantastic additions to any serious nepenthes grower's collection. Thomas Hayes DANGEROUS PLANTS ################### From: "Adao Pereira" Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2000 15:51:50 -0000 Subject: Re: Genlisea aurea growth Hi Richard & all! I'm having good success in growing Genlisea hispidula almost as an aquatic plant: I use no pot at all, I just put the plants floating in a piece of styrofoam (with a piece of live sphagnum to help). The plants stay almost completely submerged (only the ends of the leaves are outside the water). This way I can see the traps growing in the water. Well. It's just an idea. It worked for me. They flowered very soon and grew very well. Miguel ################### From: Phil Wilson Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2000 12:25:20 +0000 Subject: Re: D. peltata question Hi, > >I have recently tried to grow tuberous drosera for the first time >(bicolor, auriculata, peltata). The D. peltata (Madden, WA) germinated >within a month and largest of them are now, 8 weeks later, just short of >1/2 " tall. Is the 'WA form' as easily cultivated as the other forms or >does it differ in any way? > Personally speaking I've had no success with the WA form of D. peltata but don't let this put you off! As far as I'm aware it differs in being generally less robust and grows shorted than the eastern Australian (and plants from other locations) form. From photos in Lowrie's book the plant also has a reddish tinge. >I know that its best to avoid replanting tub's when they are in full >growth, but has anyone tried it successfully? > Yes, in general this is not a problem and in some cases is preferable to transplanting while dormant. Generally speaking tuberous Drosera have a very rudimentary root system so seem to cope with disturbance well. I have both sent and received plants in full growth with little or no problems. The upright and fan leafed species tend to be easier to transplant because it is easier to make sure the soil is firmed around the plants. Rosetted species are less easy in this respect. You obviously need to be careful to avoid damaging the stolon where it emerges from the tuber. Damage to the green portion of the plant does not normally cause a problem since the plant will re-grow from side buds. You also need to make sure the plant is planted at approximately the same depth. Regards, Phil Wilson Email: cp@pwilson.demon.co.uk ################### From: Barry Meyers-Rice Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2000 09:57:39 -0800 (PST) Subject: Web Ring Hey Folks, I just noticed a site at: http://www.linklane.com/p/plants.htm Which lists a large number of web sites on the web ring. Obviously the people who run this web site used the web ring to grab a number of sites for their list of links. A prime example of the web ring getting people higher profiles for their web sites. Nifty. Later! Barry ------------------------ Dr. Barry A. Meyers-Rice Carnivorous Plant Newsletter Conservation Coeditor barry@carnivorousplants.org http://www.carnivorousplants.org ################### From: osito@intraweb.cl (Jose Gengler L.) Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2000 15:17:17 -0400 Subject: foot candles to lumens Hi! I have been looking at James and Patricia Pietropaolo's book entitled "Carnivorous Plants of the World". It is a very technical, sinthetic, and full of wise advises. Units come both in metric and american systems. I am very glad I bought that book. But one thing has got my attention. They measure luminosity in foot candles, a unit they say is widespread. All the literature I have been reviewing measures luminosity in lumens. I don't know the relationship between these two units. I supose it is not a linear relatinship. I would greatly appreciate if someone shares a conversion formula. Thnks, ################### From: osito@intraweb.cl (Jose Gengler L.) Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2000 15:17:17 -0400 Subject: CPs in Chile Hi! I don't know if you guys remember my project. I have been trying to introduce cps in Chile (some that are not found at all in my country, and others that maybe I would find but at the price of possible echological damage or very hard trips to the extremes and mountains of this place of the world). The paperwork has been so hard (since Chile has very strict phitosanitary regulations due to the fact that it is isolated as an island from certain pests), that I have been trying to do this for about a year or more, and sometimes I lost hope. That's why I lost contact with the list, but I would very gladly welcome if you write to me so we can begin to write again. The species that I try to cultivate mostly from seed to minimize paperwork include Drosera, vft, Utricularia and Sarracenia, all temlate climate varieties. I also have Red Dragon vft living plant. I started using a 120 x 40 x 30 cm terrarium (length, height, depth) under controlled conditions. Here in Chile now we are in summer, temperatures in the terrarium rangeing from 20 to 35\272C. Humidity inside it is 40 to 60%. Luminosity is achieved using fluorescent tubes that add up to about 1500 lumens at the pot surface. The setup is working just about one week and I already have two Drosera seedlings, and the vft plant has its first tiny chilean fytraps developed. No pests are aparent so far. Material was obtained from Cook's Carnivorous Plants via airmail, very well packed. Thanks to all of you that shared knowledge and experience with me all this time. I am very happy to be aboard again. Take care, ################### From: Phil Wilson Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2000 12:48:16 +0000 Subject: Re: germinating Ping. seeds Hi, >Hi, I'm only a CP beginner but am about to receive some seeds of Ping. Lutea >and Ping. Primulifolia, I think both originated from Florida. Could someone >give me some advice on how to germinate them, and how long it would take for >them to get to blooming size. Your help is much appreciated. > Both these seeds should germinate easily with little or no problems. Simply sprinkle the seeds onto pots of soil - use a mix of about 50/50 peat and fine sand. The seeds are very fine so there is no need to cover them - at least I've never done so. You should get germination within about six weeks assuming a minimum temperature of about 15C. Transplant the seedlings once they have developed several leaves into individual pots. You should be able to get them to flowering size in about two years though I have had plants flowering after just one year. Regards, Phil Wilson Email: cp@pwilson.demon.co.uk ################### From: Barry Meyers-Rice Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2000 10:11:24 -0800 (PST) Subject: U. volubilis Hi Nathan, Good luck on your U. volubilis. Note that it is an affixed aquatic. Once you get it established, raise the water table a bit so the plant is always under about 1cm of water. Then it will be very happy. It reproduces by sending horizontal stolons several cm which then pop up as a new plant. But it is by no means weedy. Watch it carefully. Leaf cuttings work, but this is not easy to do since the leaves are perhaps 1 cm or so long, and are threadlike. Keep me posted on this, I'd like to hear your progress. Barry ------------------------ Dr. Barry A. Meyers-Rice Carnivorous Plant Newsletter Conservation Coeditor barry@carnivorousplants.org http://www.carnivorousplants.org ################### From: Barry Meyers-Rice Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2000 10:15:39 -0800 (PST) Subject: database software >I'm looking for a computer database program to maintain my CP listings, >various work that I've done etc etc etc >Has anyone got any ideas? Hey Paul E., Lots of CPers use software they've customised to track their CP collections (access, filemaker), but I strongly encourage those with substantial collections to consider Paul Temple's software project (Genustor). I've beta-tested this program and it is really excellent. Paul has put a lot of really nice bells and whistles on the program which make it extremely useful. A benefit of beta-testing is that I got a freebie copy of the program. I use it and like it. That's the bottom line, I suppose. Barry --------------------- Dr. Barry Meyers-Rice bazza@sarracenia.com Carnivorous Plant FAQ--author www.sarracenia.com/faq.html Carnivorous Plant Newsletter--editor www.carnivorousplants.org ################### From: Tom Massey Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2000 14:45:17 -0500 Subject: Nepenthes- unusual trap production Hey all, I have an unusual situation that involves several different Neps. Instead of producing a trap at the end of the tendril, I have a few leaves on plants that are producing an elongated tendril that terminates in a spray of 4-6 finely divided hairs. This has recently happened to two or three Neps, different species in different growing conditions. Anyone seen this before? Tom in Fl. ################### From: "Kamil Pasek" Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2000 22:18:18 +0100 Subject: ALDROVANDA VESICULOSA AND EUROPEAN AQUATIC UTRICULARIA SPECIES from Lubomir Adamec ALDROVANDA VESICULOSA AND EUROPEAN AQUATIC UTRICULARIA SPECIES FOR SALE Institute of Botany in Trebon, Czech Republic, offers for sale: A) Aldrovanda vesiculosa turions for CP growers, scientific or Nature Conservation organizations, for cultivation or (re)introduction activities. The plants from East Poland are cultivated outdoors. They will be sent by post mail, as turions enclosed in a tiny PE tube, from November to May. Price: 5 USD (or 9 DEM)/turion + postage 6 USD (or 11 DEM); minimum order: 10 turions; any order over 50 turions: price 3 USD/turion (or 6 DEM). For the cultivation instructions see the paper by L. Adamec (1997): "How to grow Aldrovanda vesiculosa outdoors" in the special issue of CPN 26: 85-88. The instructions may be sent on request. B) Australian (sub)tropical Aldrovanda vesiculosa plants for indoor cultivation. As dependent on light conditions these plants can be red. Plants from an indoor culture of three Australian populations are available (they are probably the same): a) Subtropical: East-coast Australia, S. of Sydney, NSW; b) Tropical: S. of Darwin, NT. c) Tropical: Kimberley, NW Australia, WA. The Australian plants grow over the whole year at temperatures above 18 oC and do not form turions. At lower temperatures, they form weakly dormant turions. In temperate regions, they may also be grown outdoors over summer season. Apical segments ca. 4 cm long are sent by post mail in plastic vials or tubes, from March to November, when outdoor temperature is above 5 oC. Price: 8 USD (or 15 DEM)/plant + postage 6 USD (or 11 DEM); minimum order (regardless of the populations): 4 plants. C) Turions of European temperate aquatic Utricularia species for outdoor cultivation: U. australis, U. vulgaris, U. minor, U. bremii, U. intermedia, U. ochroleuca. Turions are sent by post mail in tiny PE tubes, from November to June. Price: 2 USD (or 4 DEM)/turion + postage 6 USD (or 11 DM); minimum order (regardless of the species): 10 turions. D) Plants or dormant turions of Utricularia dimorphanta. U. dimorphanta is an aquatic Japanese endemic species, formerly growing on the whole Honshu island (subtropical to warm temperate climate), but is critically endangered recently. Growing of this species is the same as that of Australian Aldrovanda. However, it prefers more shade and temperatures >20 oC. Apical segments ca. 4 cm long or turions are sent by post mail in plastic vials or tubes, at above zero temperatures for the whole year. Price: 8 USD (or 15 DEM)/plant or turion + postage 6 USD (or 11 DEM). Minimum order: 4 plants or turions. Limited amount of this species is available. Invoice will be sent by the Institute of Botany. Payment should be realised as personal money order or direct sending the due sum in cash, in registered letter to the below address. Checks or cards are not acceptable. Payment in advance, prior to sending the plants is required. Contact address: Lubomir ADAMEC Institute of Botany, Dukelska 135, CZ-379 82 TREBON, Czech Republic tel.+420-333-721156; fax -721136; E-mail adamec@butbn.cas.cz ################### From: "Basicarmen" Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2000 22:14:27 +0100 Subject: research Hello I am a little disappointed mailing list after many advertisements nobody does not answer me I am thus always in the search of seeds of genlisea it does not matter the kind because I do not have any I little to make exchanges proposed that you seek and one will see for the exchange while waiting for your news! so long Thierry [HTML file part2 deleted by listprocessor] ################### From: "PHILIP SHERIDAN" Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2000 16:19:20 -0500 Subject: Re: Aldrovanda Hi Folks: We have some excellent news to announce about some students we have been mentoring at Meadowview. Mike Miller and John Polifko, of Hayfield High School, won the Blue Ribbon, 1st place, in Botany Team Projects and the medal for best project in the Freshmen Class at the Hayfield Science Fair in Fairfax, VA. Their project was on "The Effects of Boric Acid on the Aquatic Carnivorous Plant Aldrovanda vesiculosa". We hope to post the full article on our website within the next month and have the students submit their paper to CPN. By the way, does anyone (Barry?) know the exact TNC Global status for Aldrovanda (G2?). Sincerely, Phil Sheridan Director Meadowview Biological Research Station ################### From: "Fred C. Heller" Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2000 22:32:53 +0100 (MET) Subject: no genlisea sorry but I have a few other more usual seeds. anyhow you can find it at cambrian carnivores I'm sure, Peter's got a lot of stuff including those harder to get seeds fred At 13:28 31/01/2000 -0800, you wrote: >Hello I am a little disappointed mailing list after many >advertisements nobody does not answer me I am thus always in the >search of seeds of genlisea it does not matter the kind because I do >not have any I little to make exchanges proposed that you seek and >one will see for the exchange while waiting for your news! so long >Thierry > > >[HTML file part2 deleted by listprocessor] > > > ################### From: Michael King Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2000 16:46:52 -0500 Subject: Sarracenia 'Daniel Rudd' Dear all, Does anyone in the discussion group keep Sarracenia x 'Daniel Rudd' or know of anyone growing it? It seems to have disappeared from UK collections. This is the hybrid cultivar that Adrian Slack mentions in his book 'Insect Eating Plants and how to grow them' Best Regards Mike King See my new Carnivorous Plant Website: http://www.soft.net.uk/newcombe/ssar/homepage.htm ################### From: CPimages Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2000 22:11:12 -0600 Subject: Re: Paul Temple's Database Just read about your new CP database program, Paul, and think this might be a great gift for Carl for his birthday next October. He's been wanting do a serious inventory of his plants, and now that he's computer literate.... However, you say "The price will be in the \24330-40 range (excluding postage and packing) which licenses a single user." How much is \24330-40 in American dollars? And what currency is \24330-40 anyway? As for Carl Strohmenger's suggestion of using FileMaker Pro, I use that in my business as a database to keep track of the various industry suppliers and products they offer as well as contact info and additional notes. It's a powerful program and the basic setting up of a simple form to plug in your data is not too difficult to learn, but it isn't real easy or cheap either. That book that comes with it is a thick one. Hadn't thought of using it to set up a CP inventory database for Carl, but it's a great idea. However, frankly, if Paul's program is within the budget of the typical hobbyist CPer, I personally would a lot rather use an existing program that's been beta tested and tweaked and does all the things he describes than to try to spend time and frustration trying to set up one myself. Just my thoughts. Sherry Taylor (Carl's wife) ################### From: "sean donnie madison elkins" Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2000 20:42:21 -0800 Subject: World Conference Hello List, I have a question and a concern regarding the ICPS World conference in June of 2000. Why is this limited to only 200 participants? I know the Fort Mason can hold more people than that. Unlike other shows,conferences, be it orchid,garden,etc. this show is excluding the public from attending. I am very sorry to have learned this,as I was very excited to find such a rare event happening in our own back yard. I understand orchid shows and conferences are more diverse than CP shows(hopefully not for long),but when you limit an event to only a few,no sales,except for trading amongst the few,then where are the children,parents,teachers,and all the rest of the thousands that are interested in these plants supposed to go? If it is a World Conference,then let it be just that and not a City Block Conference. Sincerely, Don Elkins [HTML file part2 deleted by listprocessor] ################### From: "Richard Jobson" Date: Tue, 1 Feb 2000 15:36:14 +1100 Subject: footcandles to lumens Hi Jose, This subject was covered in digests 2066 and 2067 but if you don't have access then basically: a lux = 1 lumen per square meter. A footcandle = 1 lumen per square foot. Therefore 1 foot candle = 10.7 lux and is a measure of illumination. ie how much light you see with your eyes. Richard. ################### From: Dickdove@aol.com Date: Tue, 1 Feb 2000 02:29:28 EST Subject: Locations please < Angie Nichols, SC It snowed here Tuesday :) >> All very interesting BUT why don't you good folk say where the heck you all live???? I'm in deepest Berkshire England (UK) & just have not a clue where it is snowing. Would it not be a helpfull idea for everyone to sign off saying where on this planet they reside?? Apologies for delay but my original message was rejected. I since heard that SC stands for Sth. Carolina. So you see we Brits are just as bad with USA geography. However, I still feel that it would be nice to see where you all come from! Cheers, Dick in Berks, UK ################### From: CHAN Sow-Yan Date: Tue, 01 Feb 2000 17:26:03 +0800 Subject: Singapore's Nepenthes species Hi folks, Managed to photograph 3 species of Pitcher plants from Singapore. I housed them at: http://home1.pacific.net.sg/~chansy/macrophytes.htm Pictures 270 - 272 Hope you can correct me if I got the names wrong. Alternatively, I also put them up at http://www.bigai.ne.jp/~chansy/trip/html/explore.htm In case the above site is too busy you can try a Singapore-based mirrored site at http://members.tripodasia.com.sg/explore/explore.htm I sort them out by location. Best wishes, CHAN Sow-Yan (Singapore) ################### From: "De Witte, Jean P. (JP)" Date: Tue, 1 Feb 2000 04:34:56 -0500 Subject: clipeata for auction I had a look at the pictures and I feel a bit uncomfortable. I grow those plants as clipeata*veitchii. There are to many differences with n. clipeata (in terms of leaf shape, tendril insertion, "wings" on the pitcher, shape of the upper part of the pitcher) for me in order to label those otherwise. Have a look at Andreas Wistuba's (http://www.wistuba.com) pictures for cross-reference. Jean-Pierre De Witte mailto:j.dewitte@t-online.de http://www.jeandewitte.de ################### From: Dionaea@aol.com Date: Tue, 1 Feb 2000 07:36:30 EST Subject: Re: Silica Sand Angie and Doug, What is the brand of silica sand that you buy from Lows and Ceramic King? I have been trying to find some silica sand in Boston for the longest time. Christoph In a message dated 1/29/00 12:48:45 AM Eastern Standard Time, cp@opus.hpl.hp.com writes: > Topic No. 1 > > Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2000 00:57:35 EST > From: Sunpitcher@aol.com > To: cp@opus.hpl.hp.com > Subject: silica sand > Message-ID: <8a.a0f972.25c289cf@aol.com> > > I still get my sandblasting sand at Lowe's. You might try there. After > this > recent discussion I may stockpile a few bags in case they decide not to > carry > it also. Angie Nichols, SC It snowed here Tuesday :) > > ------------------------------ > > Topic No. 2 > > Date: 28 Jan 2000 08:19:20 EST > From: Douglas.W.Darnowski@washcoll.edu (Douglas W. Darnowski) > To: cp@opus.hpl.hp.com > Subject: Silica sand > Message-ID: <449000@staffblitz.washcoll.edu> > > As for a source of silica sand, I get mine from a ceramics supplier--Ceramic > King of New Mexico. They're on the web. Works fine, and you can buy > different > grades. > > > Doug Darnowski > ################### From: Dionaea@aol.com Date: Tue, 1 Feb 2000 07:50:58 EST Subject: Re: Genlisea Seed Thierry, I don't have any Genlisea, but if you are looking for some, try Allen Lowrie's list. He generally has seed of various species of Genlisea for sale. His address is 6 Glen Place Duncraig, 6023 Western Australia Christoph > Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2000 22:14:27 +0100 > From: "Basicarmen" > To: > Subject: research > Message-ID: <001601bf6c31$502a25c0$38eafea9@sky85328> > > Hello I am a little disappointed mailing list after many > advertisements nobody does not answer me I am thus always in the > search of seeds of genlisea it does not matter the kind because I do > not have any I little to make exchanges proposed that you seek and > one will see for the exchange while waiting for your news! so long > Thierry > ################### From: Dionaea@aol.com Date: Tue, 1 Feb 2000 08:00:51 EST Subject: Old Seed Some time ago there was a post of someone planting old seed. I have another case for not tossing your old seed. At the end of December I planted seed collected from my own plants in 1996 of U. calycifida "white flowers" and had 100% germination. I also planted 6 year old VFT seed and had decent germination. Just goes to show that you never know what you have until you plant it. Christoph ################### From: Brewer Charles E PHDN Date: Tue, 1 Feb 2000 08:45:46 -0500 Subject: RE: Silica Sand Another great place to get silica sand is at your local swimming pool company. people who have in-ground pools use silica sand in their sand filters. Going price is usually around 6 dollars per 50 pounds. Good luck, Charles Brewer Virginia Beach, Va. USA > > ################### From: "Aaron M. Ellison" Date: Tue, 1 Feb 2000 09:24:14 -0500 (EST) Subject: foot candles, lumens, and light In response to: >Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2000 15:17:17 -0400 >From: osito@intraweb.cl (Jose Gengler L.) >To: cp@opus.hpl.hp.com >Subject: foot candles to lumens >Message-ID: <20000131192523614.AAB338@osito> > >Hi! > >I have been looking at James and Patricia Pietropaolo's book entitled >"Carnivorous Plants of the World". It is a very technical, sinthetic, >and full of wise advises. Units come both in metric and american >systems. I am very glad I bought that book. > >But one thing has got my attention. They measure luminosity in foot >candles, a unit they say is widespread. All the literature I have been >reviewing measures luminosity in lumens. I don't know the relationship >between these two units. I supose it is not a linear relatinship. I would >greatly appreciate if someone shares a conversion formula. A foot candle is the amount of light given off by a 'standard candle' (whatever that is) at 1 foot. A foot candle = 1 lumen/square foot, so there is a linear conversion. However, neither lumens nor foot candles measure what a plant sees, which is photosynthetically active radiation (light in the 400-700 nm [nanometers] wavelength range), and is measured as photosynthetic photon flux density, or PPFD, in moles of photons per meter squared per second. There is no conversion between lumens (or foot candles) and PPFD, because lumens/foot candles are what your eye sees. As an example, one lumen measured at 562 nm = 1.49 milliWatts of radiation, and one lumen measured at 430 nm 1 126.7 milliWatts of radiation. It's much more useful how much PPFD your artificial lights are putting out. Cheap radiation sensors for PPFD are undoubtedly available, but the light manufacturers should be able to provide the information directly. Aaron Ellison ################### From: Hayes7@aol.com Date: Tue, 1 Feb 2000 09:53:09 EST Subject: Re: clipeata for auction I appreciate the warning and I have asked several other people to help me ID the plant in question. I am GLAD I haven't actually purchased them yet, since they may not be the real deal! They came from John DeKannel and the guy who has been growing them swore they were correctly identified, so I didn't even question it. I don't have one myself and I was planning to sell a few of his, so I would get one for the trouble. Thanks for your comments, -Thomas Hayes > I had a look at the pictures and I feel a bit >uncomfortable. I grow those plants as >clipeata*veitchii. There are to many differences with >n. clipeata (in terms of leaf shape, tendril insertion, >"wings" on the pitcher, shape of the upper part of the >pitcher) for me in order to label those otherwise. ################### From: "Sundew Sundew" Date: Tue, 1 Feb 2000 10:18:39 -0500 Subject: Quikrete Sand Just got off the phone with my local Quikrete office and have some great news! The sand which I bought at the local Home Depot - commercial grade, fine - appears to be a great choice for use with CP. Here's what I was told about the Quikrete sand available in my area: Commercial Grade: fine, medium, coarse - this is silica sand from Port Elizabeth, NJ. (Where is this, anyway? Not next to my favorite toxic waste dumps, I hope!) ;) Play sand is "Long Island beach sand" = Silica sand. All purpose = 1/2 LI. 1/2 mid Hudson sand (mined near Poughkeepsie, NY) - contains lots of minerals, including Limestone. Seems like the all purpose sand would be a BAD choice but the others should be fine. The play sand is a mix of fine sand and course sand so you get more variety. Hope this helps, I'll probably experiment a bit with this fine CG sand before I put my favorite Drosera in it but it sounds like this'll be ok. Matt ################### From: "Stefan P. Wolf" Date: Tue, 01 Feb 2000 16:08:07 +0100 Subject: New book on "Neblina" Hi! I reviewed the English edition of a new book about an expedition to the Tepui (table mountain) "Neblina". The title is "NEBLINA - of Mists and Scents". Please find more info, cover photos, original blurb and my review here: http://www.angelfire.com/de/cpbooks/xnebliE0.html I will do a big collective order of this title, if you're interested in obtaining a copy please mail for details (or see my website). Carnivorously, Stefan. -- Dipl.-Inform. Stefan P. Wolf ................................................ mail : Zehlendorfer Str. 69, 24111 Kiel, GERMANY phone: (+49 431) 5973173 * fax: (+49 431) 697568 CP books >> http://www.angelfire.com/de/cpbooks/ ................................................ ################### From: "Steven Venter" Date: Tue, 1 Feb 2000 10:41:32 +0200 Subject: ICPS Gallery Hi all. 1. I received a request from a publishing house in the UK, requesting two print-quality images (slides or prints) of D. rotundifolia, "one showing an insect landing on the drosera, and [the other as] it starts to envelope the insect." If they decide to use the images, they will pay for publishing rights. Please let me know if you have any suitable images. 2. I've received a number of really good submissions for the ICPS Gallery - please keep them coming. You can see the submission guidelines at http://www.carnivorousplants.org/membsubm.html Thanks Steven Venter Gallery Curator International Carnivorous Plant Society http://www.carnivorousplants.org Africa for Visitors - http://goafrica.about.com About.com - the network of sites led by expert guides Webmaster & Manager: Product Development Jabulani Handcraft Centre (a project of the Association for the Physically Challenged) http://jabulani.hypermart.net ################### From: Hayes7@aol.com Date: Tue, 1 Feb 2000 10:21:35 EST Subject: Re: clipeata for auction And to add a bit of further information, having talked to John, he said he got rid of them because of the possibility of their being hybrids. So it appears that I got excited a little too fast on this! Until I hear otherwise, no more auction! Thomas Hayes > I had a look at the pictures and I feel a bit >uncomfortable. I grow > those plants as >clipeata*veitchii. There are to many differences with n. clipeata (in >terms of leaf shape, tendril insertion, "wings" on the pitcher, shape >of the upper part of the pitcher) for me in order to label those >otherwise. ################### From: "Mellard, David" Date: Tue, 1 Feb 2000 10:25:57 -0500 Subject: RE: Quikrete Sand >Play sand is "Long Island beach sand" = Silica sand. Beach sand doesn't sound like it would be good either since it's likely to contains ocean salts. Of course, Home Depot play sand is what I've been using for years with good results for Drosera. With the respect to salt levels, however, not all Drosera are likely to be created equal. Some may tolerate higher salt levels than others. David Atlanta ################### From: Phil Wilson Date: Tue, 1 Feb 2000 14:50:03 +0000 Subject: Re: foot candles to lumens Jose, > > >I have been looking at James and Patricia Pietropaolo's book entitled >"Carnivorous Plants of the World". It is a very technical, sinthetic, >and full of wise advises. Units come both in metric and american >systems. I am very glad I bought that book. > >But one thing has got my attention. They measure luminosity in foot >candles, a unit they say is widespread. All the literature I have been >reviewing measures luminosity in lumens. I don't know the relationship >between these two units. I supose it is not a linear relatinship. I >would greatly appreciate if someone shares a conversion formula. > Lumen is the unit of light emitted from the source - i.e. the lamp. Lux is the unit of illumination - an important difference. 1 lux = 1 lumen per square metre. In the US the unit is measured as Lumen/square foot or foot candles. If you use the conversion factor from square feet to square metres you should be able to make the conversion. Hope this helps. Phil Wilson Email: cp@pwilson.demon.co.uk ################### From: Barry Meyers-Rice Date: Tue, 1 Feb 2000 08:30:13 -0800 (PST) Subject: ICPS Conference limited to 200 Hi Don, I'm not organizing the conference, but I think the reason it is limited to 200 people is based in fiscal caution. The organizers of the meeting have to front money to pay for the convention (in advance). If we arranged for a huge conference hall, and for some reason we had poor meeting attendence, the meeting organizers (ICPS and others) would lose a large amount of money. It would be great to plan for a huge meeting, but the financial risk in case of a huge failure is too great to risk. I do not think that the ICPS conference has yet run out of space, so if you want to attend, look at the ICPS web site for information on how to join, and also contact the conference organizer David Gray (david@carnivorousplants.org). I hope to see you at the conference! Cheers Barry ------------------------ Dr. Barry A. Meyers-Rice Carnivorous Plant Newsletter Conservation Coeditor barry@carnivorousplants.org http://www.carnivorousplants.org ################### From: Ivan Snyder Date: Tue, 1 Feb 2000 10:30:40 -0800 Subject: re: Heliamphora sp.? Hi again, Bill wrote: > In addition, they also found what looks like a new species, which they call H. >sp. Neblinae - maybe this is the one you're referring to above when you say >that you have "both" types of seed? (hence my statement above about >misunderstandings!). This was quite different to the other plants on >Neblina, and also the northern H. tatei variety. / >The true position is itself very confusing. The adventurers who went off to >Neblina report that the H. tatei var. neblinae populations on the mountain >were extremely variable; Ivan again: Glad you brought this up. Yes, the taxonomy for Heliamphora of that region seems indeed confusing with the extreme variation witnessed. I saw their video documentary, very puzzling. At least several more variatal forms must be described. I hope they are working on this and that we hear more about it. In addition, they did also find H. minor. Whatever the case of my plant's identity, I feel certain that it better suited to cultivation. Matt wrote: >As to the mold which killed the majority of the seedlings, did you try using >any fungicide on the seed / seedlings? Ivan again: No I did not. My cultivation method is a case of survival of the fitest. : ) Ivan Snyder Hermosa Beach California ________________________________________________________________ YOU'RE PAYING TOO MUCH FOR THE INTERNET! Juno now offers FREE Internet Access! Try it today - there's no risk! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. ################### From: "PHILIP SHERIDAN" Date: Tue, 1 Feb 2000 20:57:37 -0500 Subject: Re: Anthocyanin Hi Folks: Ivan made a statement that I said Sarracenia hybrids have more anthocyanin than species. Ivan, I don't recall saying that. Perhaps there is a misunderastanding somewhere, please let me know where this came from. Dr. Rob Griesbach of USDA and I are now submitting a paper to HortScience on the characterization of Sarracenia anthocyanins. Stay tuned! I think you will find it interesting. Sincerely, Phil Sheridan Director Meadowview Biological Research Station ################### From: "Richard Jobson" Date: Wed, 2 Feb 2000 14:05:46 +1100 Subject: Genlisea habitat Dear all, I have dug up a list message from 96 in which Fernando describes that G. repens and G. aurea are almost always found submerged (G. repens deeper than aurea). So this answers my question, thanks Fernando and also Barry for information. Has anyone heard anything about the complete monograph of Genlisea by Elza Fromm-Trinta? Peter Taylor mentions that its in the stages of completion in his 1991 account of Genlisea (CPN Vol 20 1991). It must be coming soon, can't wait. Best, Richard. Richard W. Jobson Department of Botany University of Queensland Brisbane, Queensland 4072 Australia. Ph: (07) 33651457; (H) 38315939 Fax:(07) 33651699 E-mail: r.jobson@botany.uq.edu.au "It is the spirit of the age to believe that any fact, however suspect, is superior to any imaginative exercise, no matter how true". Gore Vidal. ################### From: "Richard Jobson" Date: Wed, 2 Feb 2000 14:08:42 +1100 Subject: Genlisea habitat Dear all, I have dug up a list message from 96 in which Fernando describes that G. repens and G. aurea are almost always found submerged (G. repens deeper than aurea). So this answers my question, thanks Fernando and also Barry for information. Has anyone heard anything about the complete monograph of Genlisea by Elza Fromm-Trinta? Peter Taylor mentions that its in the stages of completion in his 1991 account of Genlisea (CPN Vol 20 1991). It must be coming soon, can't wait. Best, Richard. ################### From: "sundew" Date: Wed, 2 Feb 2000 15:06:45 +1100 Subject: Re.Dionaea double petiole and traps Dear all Just one more thing...the double petioled plants has had one of the traps catch a fly, whilst the other has remained open. Another plant has a doudle trap that has captured flies twice now. Just thought I woud clear up the murmurs of ineffective traps in the double state. Furthermore, they are healthy plants in full sun, being in my collection for at least 4 years. Regards Nathan J. Clemens sundew@mitmania.net.au Bowral NSW Australia [HTML file part2 deleted by listprocessor] ################### From: "norman francis" Date: Tue, 1 Feb 2000 23:51:22 +0200 Subject: Re: Silica Sand There seems to be undue concern about the health hazards of using sand for potting purposes with the exception of a few occupational exposure situations (silicosis) sand can be considered harmless. The health problem posed by sand is primarilly results from the "Free Silica" content of the sand; the free silica is silica that has not associated with other chemicals in the "sand particle";Free Silica is found only in minute concentrations in the everyday sand that you are likely to run across. The size of the sand particle is crucial to its toxicity, too small and it is inhalled and exhalled with no harm, too large and your natural defenses against " dirt particles " takes care of it, I believe the size window is between 3 to 5 microns for lung deposition. When I was a baby my parents were afraid that I would be damaged because I ate so much sand and dirt that athe asked the family doctor about it;he said "give him a spoon" ...sage advice. Sent by Medscape Mail: FREE Portable E-mail for Professionals on the Move http://www.medscape.com ################### From: VFTMaxwell@aol.com Date: Tue, 1 Feb 2000 23:59:41 EST Subject: (no subject) What's the email address to the unsubscribe from this list? ################### From: Sunpitcher@aol.com Date: Wed, 2 Feb 2000 00:08:00 EST Subject: silica sand Hi Christoph. The sand is put out by the W. R. Bonsal Co. of Charlotte, NC. Its called Bonsal sand. Angie Nichols, South Carolina ################### From: "Phill Mann" Date: Wed, 2 Feb 2000 02:13:53 +0800 Subject: Clipeata for auction Hi I think I would have to agree with the other messages stating that the plant appears to be a N. clipeata hybrid. I would beg to differ with it being N. clipeata X veitchii as carries vary little of the characteristics of the latter. I have both of these plants and it looks like neither. With most of the N. clipeata X veitchii I've seen the plants are extremely hairy, the pitchers are more N. clipeata shaped. I have photos on my site of the Japanese made hybrid they called "J&B" (not legal). Regards Phill Mann P.O. Box 193 Harvey, 6220 Western Australia philmann@geo.net.au http://geo.net.au/~philmann "Light travels faster than sound" "That's why some people appear bright until they open their mouths" ################### From: Davidogray@aol.com Date: Wed, 2 Feb 2000 02:32:08 EST Subject: Number of participants for the ICPS World Conference Hello to Don, and to all the readers of this list, I saw your post on the CP listserve and as I am the primary organizer for the Conference, I thought I should respond. First, let me say the conference is not yet sold out; if you or anyone else wants to register, there are still over 70 places available. I can provide more information for registering if you request it. The BACPS has volunteered to host the event in the San Francisco Bay Area; no other group in the United States seemed interested in hosting a conference this year. We started this planning process over 14 months ago, and a group of members have met many many times over many months to work on the hundreds of details that are involved in putting on the conference. These meetings were announced at the BACPS general meetings and were open to all. We were unable to find a free location for the Conference, as had been the case for the previous conferences. As space is in high demand in the Bay Area and as we had to reserve a hall long in advance, we had to choose an arbitrary number of seats in our search for the venue. None of the previous conferences have attracted more than 160 people. This conference will also be the most expensive conference and will likely be less well-attended than the ones in Bonn and Atlanta. The members of the organizing committee felt the large room in Building A at the Fort Mason Center was a good balance between expense and capacity. It also has adjoining rooms for related events, such as exhibitions and retail areas. We also feel we have secured a most beautiful site for the Conference, right on San Francisco Bay. We also strongly encouraged a very early registration so that if there was more interest than anticipated, we could seek other spaces for a larger audience. We had over 90 people register early. There *will* be a sales area, and it will be open to the general public if the vendors are willing. As well, there are going to be workshops open to the general public, albeit on a space-available basis, and a photography show and contest. We have taken steps to make this conference a more diverse and appealing one to hobbyists, who in past conferences were put off by many of the scholarly talks. I hope you will take the opportunity of the conference in San Francisco to join us, the dozens of researchers, botanists, nurserymen, conservationists, and hobbyists who will be gathered in appreciating not just the plants, but the people who appreciate the plants. For those of you who have already registered, let me apologize for my long delay in sending more registration information ( especially those hotel numbers ); that information will go out Wed. the 2nd of Feb. Please do not hesitate to write me with your questions or comments. Sincerely, and as always, Cheers, David O. Gray ################### From: "De Witte, Jean P. (JP)" Date: Wed, 2 Feb 2000 01:43:00 -0600 Subject: clipeata Hi Tom & others, This is strange. I know John personally for many years and his judgement was OK. Then, knowing the history of some of the clipeata seed that got around (for one batch the female flower spike was polinated with three different species, one of them clipeata) it would have been easy to get a mix-up and believe you got the _real_ stuff! I myself have three strains running, and most of the time I have to wait till the plants are large enough (+- 2 inch) before I see a difference. Take care, John >I appreciate the warning and I have asked several other people to help me >ID the plant in question. I am GLAD I haven't actually purchased >them yet, since they may not be the real deal! They came from John >DeKannel and the guy who has been growing them swore they were >correctly identified, so I didn't even question it. I don't have one myself and I >was planning to sell a few of his, so I would get one for the >trouble. >Thanks for your comments, >-Thomas Hayes Jean-Pierre De Witte mailto:j.dewitte@t-online.de http://www.jeandewitte.de ################### From: "Steve Alton" Date: Wed, 2 Feb 2000 09:38:40 -0000 Subject: Wallpaper Dear All, Pretty frivolous, but if anyone has a piece of software called "Image Catcher" (which rotates a selection of desk-top wallpaper images and also acts as a screen-saver) there is a rather lovely downloadable picture of Sarracenia purpurea on the Image Catcher website. Go to daily.worldprints.com - Scenics - Landscapes - Page14 It's huge! And there's a sundew in the foreground! Steve Alton (with too much time on his hands!) ################### From: DeepDown Date: Wed, 02 Feb 2000 10:42:11 +0100 Subject: deepdown@mindless.com Does anyone resieve this ? I'm trying to get in touch with other CP growers. :) Regards, Stig Henning ----- http://www.spedia.net/cgi-bin/tz.cgi?run=show_svc&fl=8&vid=208731 [HTML file part2 deleted by listprocessor] ################### From: "Steven Venter" Date: Wed, 2 Feb 2000 16:42:04 +0200 Subject: Photo request Here's an update from the publisher requesting two photographs of D. rotundifolia, for which he's prepared to pay: "I would like to reiterate what we are looking for, as the authors of this book are very specific about what they want. They are very specifically looking for two images that together show the folding motion of the Drosera plant as it traps an insect. The important issue is the folding of the trap, so two images, one showing an insect having just landed, the other showing the folding process begining, will suffice. I am sorry but we do not need images showing the plant on its own, nor do we need images showing a plant fully folded up having engulfed an insect. They must also be in colour. I hope this clarifies our request" Steven Venter ICPS Gallery Curator stevev@carnivorousplants.org [HTML file part2 deleted by listprocessor] ################### From: "Mellard, David" Date: Wed, 2 Feb 2000 10:31:47 -0500 Subject: Nepenthes Some time ago I bought a N. madagascarenis from Home Depot. Having killed several so far and not having the terrarium ready to go, I put it in a plastic bag, added water, and let it sit under a fluorescent light for 6 months. I still haven't set up the terrarium yet and checked on the plant last night. To my amazement, the thing has taken off, is almost bursting out of the bag, and is producing fairly large pitchers (probably 3 to 4 inches.) Now the largest I had ever produced so far might be the size of little fingernail. It's been sitting in about a cm of water all this time (probably another no-no from what I've read.) I will have to transfer it soon, either to a larger plastic bag or to a terrarium. I've never had the HD Nepenthes do much for me and had thought that maybe it was because it was a tc Nepenthes. I also realized that maybe I was just not dedicated enough to grow Nepenthes. It's funny how one stumbles across the right method for their growing conditions and husbandry skills. I'm almost reluctant to change anything but it will certainly outgrow whatever plastic bag I come up with. Anyway, it's been fun playing around with trying to find the right conditions. Glad I stuck with it. I have several other Nepenthes from Malesnesia growing in the same conditions and all are doing quite well. David Atlanta ################### From: "dick c tran" Date: Wed, 02 Feb 2000 14:31:42 -0800 Subject: on/off timers hello cpers, does anybody out there know where i can find a timer that can be set by the minute. the least setting that i could find was 15 min. the purpose for finding this timer is for operating a cool-humidifier which can totally saturate the air in a 60-gallon tank in less than 3 minutes. regards dick MailCity. Secure Email Anywhere, Anytime! http://www.mailcity.com ################### From: "John Green" Date: Wed, 02 Feb 2000 16:44:21 -0700 Subject: "Chipola"? I've seen the word "chipola" written with Sarracenia names several times, like S. leucophylla "chipola" or S. purpurea "chipola". What does this word mean? Is it just a location description? John Green Salt Lake City, Utah ################### From: "Carl Strohmenger (HSC)" Date: Wed, 2 Feb 2000 19:03:10 -0500 (EST) Subject: Re: "Chipola"? It probably refers to the town of Chipola or the Chipola River in the Florida Panhandle area (NW part of the state) which is true Sarracenia country. - Carl On Wed, 2 Feb 2000, John Green wrote: > I've seen the word "chipola" written with Sarracenia names several > times, like S. leucophylla "chipola" or S. purpurea "chipola". What > does this word mean? Is it just a location description? > > John Green > Salt Lake City, Utah > ################### From: "Dave Evans" Date: Wed, 2 Feb 2000 20:21:53 -0500 Subject: Re: dormancy problems > I have a S. purpurea with densely clustered pitchers > which is being kept outside for winter (I live in San > Francisco). When I last checked it, some of the pitchers > are rotting near the base, and there's a powdery green/gray > substance over the crown and the bases of the pitchers. > Is this what's called "powdery mildew"? I've cut off all > the unhealthy pitchers and am wondering what else I > should do. Should I wash the plant thoroughly and repot? > Is it necessary to look into fungicides? Should I try > to keep the plant in a drier place? (It's been raining > on and off.) Thanks... To all your questions, yes. Use some garden sulfur, it is fairly good at preventing this. Also, yes, the leaves of S.purpurea can grow too thick and cut the air flow promoting rot. Dave Evans ################### From: "Richard Jobson" Date: Thu, 3 Feb 2000 15:54:28 +1100 Subject: African Genlisea Hi, Just wondering if anyone out there grows Africa species of Genlisea such as G. africana, G. pallida? G. hispidula seems to be widely cultivated but what of the other Africans. Cheers, Richard. "Whats the only thing faster than the speed of light; the speed of doubt" The Sandman. ################### From: "Andrew Marshall" Date: Wed, 2 Feb 2000 17:13:20 -0800 Subject: new e-mail address Hi Folks, Andrew here of Cascade Carnivorous Plants... I have a new e-mail address. lease not it down. I will still be using the olywa one for a little while until I get things transferred over, but I want to begin using the new one ASAP. It is Andrewm@thevortex.com Please write to me there and I can see if it works or not. Thanks! Andrew PS. does any one know how to get this digest to transfer over to the new address? I don't want to unsub and resub as I have forgotten how, and don't know any other way. Thanks! ################### From: "Thune Stig Henning/2AE" Date: Thu, 3 Feb 2000 13:02:44 +0100 XSubject: new e-mail address btw; ----------------------------- You can visit my homepage at; http://CaminoPA50.spedia.net ----------------------------- -------------------- Wan't to make money - surfing the web ?----------------------- http://www.spedia.net/cgi-bin/dir/tz.cgi?run=show_svc&fl=8&vid=208731 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- ################### From: "De Witte, Jean P. (JP)" Date: Thu, 3 Feb 2000 06:50:23 -0600 Subject: clipeata hybrid? I have seen Phil Mann's comments on my naming the plant clipeata*veitchii. He is right of course. Checked the labels on my plants and they say clipeata*emay (altough I must have clipeata*veitchii somewhere hidden in the greenhouse). Take care Jean-Pierre De Witte mailto:j.dewitte@t-online.de http://ww.jeandewitte.de ################### From: Philcula@webtv.net (Phil Faulisi) Date: Thu, 3 Feb 2000 05:32:53 -0800 (PST) Subject: Re: on/off timers Hi Dick, You should try contacting Charlie's Greenhouse Supply. They have a unit called a Cycle Stat. It is a micro misting timer that has two dial settings. One setting for on duration and the other for off. You can set the on dial for as short as 5 seconds to as long as 8 hours and the off dial can can be set for I believe 5 minute to 24 hour intervals. I purchased one of these timers, rather pricey though $80 or $90, and was also able to find a high pressure/high power pump to run my RO water through the mist line. What an amazing difference. It's funny. Sometimes I forget the misters are on and while giving tours of the greenhouse they all activate at once scaring my guests. Jeez, you would think it was acid rain by thier reaction.LOL Anyway if you would like more information you could privately email me. Hope this helps. Phil ################### From: Ivan Snyder Date: Thu, 3 Feb 2000 09:23:17 -0800 Subject: re: Anthocyanin Hi Phil and all, I wrote a thread the other day about my seedling Heliamphora which I suspected might possibly be a natural hybrid to explain the plants better growth ( hybrid vigor, or heterosis ) and its apparent darker red coloration. I misquoted Phil Sheridan in saying that he reported that natural Sarracenia hybrids have more anthocyanin red. Sorry Phil, I retract my statement. I confused your June 1997 CPN article -Genetics of Sarracenia Leaf and Flower Color. Phil replied: >Ivan made a statement that I said Sarracenia hybrids have more anthocyanin than >species. Ivan, I don't recall saying that. Perhaps there is a misunderastanding >somewhere, please let me know where this came from. >Dr. Rob Griesbach of USDA and I are now submitting a paper to HortScience on the >characterization of Sarracenia anthocyanins. Stay tuned! I think you will find >it interesting. >Sincerely, >Phil Sheridan >Director >Meadowview Biological >Research Station Ivan again: Anyway, refound the information I was refering to in an American Scientist magazine May-June 1982 titled The Gulf Coast Pitcher Plant Bogs by George W. Folkerts. On page 265 Mr. Folkerts tells, "I have found that hybrids often possess abnormally large amounts of the plant pigment anthocyanin distributed in unusual patterns". The article goes on to tell that Sarracenia hybrids are at a disadvantage in the long run. An especially good example of this is shown with S. purpurea X S. alata. This hybrid has taller pitchers than purpurea with the open hood which can become filled with rain water causing the pitcher to topple over dumping its contents. Ivan Snyder Hermosa Beach California ________________________________________________________________ YOU'RE PAYING TOO MUCH FOR THE INTERNET! Juno now offers FREE Internet Access! Try it today - there's no risk! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. ################### From: Fabien ZUNINO Date: Thu, 03 Feb 2000 18:09:34 +0100 Subject: Triphyophyllum peltatum - Phytochemistry Hi! New article about Triphyophyllum peltatum in Phytochemistry: ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----------------------------- Droserone from cell cultures of Triphyophyllum peltatum (Dioncophyllaceae) and its biosynthetic origin Gerhard Bringmann, Heiko Rischer, Michael Wohlfarth, Jan Schlauer, Laurent Ake Assi Phytochemistry 53 (2000) 339-343 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----------------------------- Abstract The growth and droserone content of callus cultures of Triphyophyllum peltatum grown in liquid 1/5 Linsmaier and Skoog medium was studied. During a lag phase in growth, droserone concentrations in the medium reached a value of 2.1 mg g-1 fr. wt. After this maximum value the concentration decreased slightly to 1.8 mg g-1 fr. wt., while the growth of the calli was enhanced (25% increase in fr. wt. within 7 days). Plumbagin and isoshinanolone were likewise present in the dium. By feeding 13 C2 -labelled acetate to the cultures the biosynthesis of droserone was elucidated. The incorporation of whole C2 -units unambiguously shows its acetogenic origin and its well in the biosynthetic scheme suggested for the structurally - and biogenetically - related naphthylisoquinoline alkaloids. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----------------------------- Best regards, Fabien ZUNINO ################### From: "R. E. Jones" Date: Fri, 4 Feb 2000 20:08:28 -0000 Subject: Global warming? Hey, I know that global warming is making things speed up but today I had a Sarracenia flava flower that opened its petals. How is everyone else doing? Dick in the uk. ################### From: "Andy Falshaw" Date: Fri, 4 Feb 2000 09:12:01 +1300 Subject: Genlisea propagation I've had reasonable success with leaf cutting of g. violacea, maybe 50-60% taking. I tried 4 g.hispidula leaves and got 0 taking. is hispidula trickier? Anyone got any tips? thanks Andy Wellington, New Zealand, still waiting for summer to arrive ################### From: "dick c tran" Date: Thu, 03 Feb 2000 12:12:29 -0800 Subject: ultra-sonic humidifier hello all, who knows where i can find a very compact ultra-sonic humidifier under $40? Or, where i can find just the transducer assembly that i can lower into a cup of water to produce the 'mist'. Just in case you are wondering what this guy is up to. I am planning to grow highland nepenthes in an aquarium and the humidifier will be used in the summer just in case it gets too hot. By the way, is anyone currently growing highland nepenthes in an aquarium setting and have been doing so for the last 3 years or more where your plants are healthy and vigorously growing? If so, please contact me. I like to know your methodology. thanks dick MailCity. Secure Email Anywhere, Anytime! http://www.mailcity.com ################### From: "Trent Meeks" Date: Thu, 03 Feb 2000 19:08:57 PST Subject: Re:I'm back (re-introduction) Hello everybody, I'm back! I was subscribed before, but was suddenly interrupted when the office was moved and other business matters suddenly changed. Many of you already know me, but I'll re-introduce myself as a CP grower located in Pompano Beach, Florida (just north of Ft. Lauderdale), who has a primary interest in pitcher plants, especially Nepenthes. I've been at it a while now and have a small, overcrowded lathe house-patio jammed with Nepenthes. Outside of the lathehouse, I maintain a few trays of Sarracenia. I've been growing Neps for about eight years now, but only about four years of success with Sarracenia. Anyway, it is good to be back, and I'll be posting some comments around the topic of raising Sarracenia in a sub-tropical climate. Until later, Trent Pompano Beach, Fl ################### From: "Edward Read" Date: Tue, 1 Feb 2000 00:00:24 -0800 Subject: 1998 Conference/ Pinguicula talks Hello All, I am writting because I am curious to know if anyone can help me find Dr. A. Lau's talk given at the 1998 conference. It was published in Dionee in French, so I assume it is possibly available in English. Thanks for any help, Edward Read tissueculture@yahoo.com http://www.geocities.com/rainforest/9848/ ################### From: "Dave Evans" Date: Fri, 4 Feb 2000 00:15:19 -0500 Subject: Re: P.sp.Pachuca = emarginata?? Nah, they are not the same species. Dave Evans > I've noticed a good deal of similarity between the foliage of plants > I have labelled as sp Pachuca and emarginata. I have yet to see > either flower but was wondering if these are related or possibly the > same? > > Thanks! Matt ################### From: JScott9653@aol.com Date: Fri, 4 Feb 2000 00:47:43 EST Subject: timers In a message dated 2/3/00 10:12:55 PM US Eastern Standard Time, JScott9653 writes: timers Date: 2/3/00 10:12:55 PM US Eastern Standard Time From: JScott9653 To: cp@opus.hpl.hp.com Hello Intermatic makes timers that can run something for one minute or more. I puchased one at sears a while back. there web site is www.intermatic.com there is a lot of info on there timers there. Hope this helps Jim >> --- part 2 --- Hello Intermatic makes timers that can run something for one minute or more. I puchased one at sears a while back. there web site is www.intermatic.com there is a lot of info on there timers there. Hope this helps Jim ################### From: "Richard Jobson" Date: Fri, 4 Feb 2000 16:35:40 +1100 Subject: Genlisea propagation Dear Andy, I would like to hear some more details as to how you prepare and culture the Genlisea leaf cuttings. I am pretty sure that Sundew Matt has had some luck with leaf cuttings for Genlisea as well. Thanks, Richard. ################### From: SCHLAUER@chemie.uni-wuerzburg.de Date: Fri, 4 Feb 2000 08:44:58 Subject: Re: 1998 Conference/ Pinguicula talks Dear Ed, > I am writting because I am curious to know if anyone can help me find > Dr. A. Lau's talk given at the 1998 conference. It was published in Dionee > in French, so I assume it is possibly available in English. It is included in the Conference Proceedings (pp. 10-12, mailed with CPN in December, 1998). Dr. Lau did not appear at the conference, but he has authorized Dr. Luhrs to give his talk. Kind regards Jan ################### From: Phil Wilson Date: Fri, 4 Feb 2000 11:44:41 +0000 Subject: Re: "Chipola"? In message , John Green writes >I've seen the word "chipola" written with Sarracenia names several >times, like S. leucophylla "chipola" or S. purpurea "chipola". What >does this word mean? Is it just a location description? > Yes, its a location description. Chipola is a small town just west of the Appalachicola National Forest in Florida. Regards, Phil Wilson Email: cp@pwilson.demon.co.uk ################### From: "Thune Stig Henning/2AE" Date: Fri, 4 Feb 2000 14:41:38 +0100 Subject: I want to become a member Please enrole me on your list ################### From: Fabien ZUNINO Date: Fri, 04 Feb 2000 14:44:43 +0100 XSubject: I want to become a member Hi all! Two references about CP: ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---------------------------------- Costs and benefits of carnivory in plants: Insights from the photosynthetic performance of four carnivorous plants in a subarctic environment Mendez M.; Karlsson P.S. Oikos, Volume 86, Issue 1, 1999, Pages 105-112 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---------------------------------- Abstract We measured photosynthetic performance in four subarctic carnivorous plants, Pinguicula alpina, P. villosa, P. vulgaris and Drosera rotundifolia, in order to test if there is a cost of combining photosynthetic and trapping devices into the same organ (leaves). We compared these data with published results on photosynthetic rates in subarctic non-carnivorous plants. In P. vulgaris, an experiment of prey addition and removal further tested the existence of a short-term benefit of increased nutrient gain from prey in terms of photosynthetic efficiency. Leaf area-based photosynthetic rates (P(a)) ranged 2.0-3.0 mol CO2 m-2 s-1, dry mass-based photosynthetic rates (P(w)) 42-69 nmol CO2 g-1 s-1 and photosynthetic nitrogen use efficiency (PNUE) 29-45 mol CO2 mol N-1 s-1. In general, P(a) and P(w) of carnivorous plants increased with leaf nitrogen content. When each species was analysed separately, those relationships were weak (P. alpina and P. villosa) or non-significant (P. vulgaris and D. rotundifolia). The photosynthetic rate of carnivorous plants was lower than that of other subarctic growth forms. In addition, P(w) for a given leaf nitrogen content was significantly lower in carnivorous plants than in non-carnivorous ones. No change in P(a), P(w) or PNUE occurred as a result of prey capture manipulation, but treatments differed only slightly in nutrient content. P(w) and PNUE showed a trend to be higher in reproductive P. alpina ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---------------------------------- ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---------------------------------- and Identification of sarracenin in four species of Sarracenia (Sarraceniaceae), Biochemical Systematics and Ecology, Volume 28, Issue 2, March 2000, Pages 193-195 Tyree Newman, Sayed Ibrahim, James W. Wheeler, W. B. McLaughlin, Raymond L. Petersen and Richard M. Duffield ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---------------------------------- ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---------------------------------- Bonne lecture, sorry good reading ! Fabien ZUNINO ################### From: "Adao Pereira" Date: Fri, 4 Feb 2000 12:19:39 -0000 Subject: Re: Genlisea propagation Hi Andy & all, I have lots of Genlisea hispidula and I propagate it very easly from trap cuttings (well, I only tried this once... I have no need of propagating it more). But I grow this plant almost submerged, instead of growing it in the soil, maybe it prefers to be grown in this "aquatic" way. >From seeds it's also easy to propagate. Miguel ################### From: "Adao Pereira" Date: Fri, 4 Feb 2000 12:32:06 -0000 Subject: Help my flowering Heliamphora...! Hello! The flower of my Heli. will open in the next days, and I still don't know how to pollinate it! I read that it was difficult to get them producing pollen... anyone knows how to do it? And can it be selfed? Thanks a lot, Miguel ################### From: Ivan Snyder Date: Fri, 4 Feb 2000 09:13:23 -0800 Subject: Ping Observation/Question Hi CPers, While seeing Pinguicula macroceras var. nortensis in its natural sites up in Northern California I observed something which at first had me very curios. I believe I have an explanation for what I noticed which might interest some of you. Upon visiting several natural sites for this butterwort I had a close look at them and was able to see just what kind of prey items they were trapping. I was struck by the incredibly large sized insects that were commonly caught. It seemed impossible that this plant could capture such sized insects which would seem to have no trouble in struggling free. Many plants had housefly sized flying insects and a few even had great big dragon flies! How could this be? This got me quite interested in the plant. I collected seed and was able to grow this plant very well and have grown a few generations from seed to seed once again. I raise Fruitflies ( Drosophila melanogaster ) as live food for all my different CPs. Funny thing though, when I sprinkle the live insects on my butterworts here at home they nearly always get free from the plants and have no trouble doing so. So then, how can we explain the large size of the insects which are captured in nature? I think I have the answer but will give you some time to think on this one to see if maybe some of you might also come up with the same conclusion. I will post my answer tomorrow. Ivan Snyder Hermosa Beach California ________________________________________________________________ YOU'RE PAYING TOO MUCH FOR THE INTERNET! Juno now offers FREE Internet Access! Try it today - there's no risk! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. ################### From: "E. PARTRAT & B. BERNARD" Date: Fri, 4 Feb 2000 20:59:30 +0100 Subject: Subject: 1998 Conference/ Pinguicula talks >Hello All, > I am writting because I am curious to know if anyone can help me find >Dr. A. Lau's talk given at the 1998 conference. It was published in Dionee >in French, so I assume it is possibly available in English. >Thanks for any help, >Edward Read Hi eveybody, J made the french version of this article and the original version is published by the ICPS and was given with a 1998 newsletter. This was very nice for people that could'nt go to the Bonn Conference and J made a traduction of this part (J am fond of Pinguicula) in a way to make it readable for french members of DIONEE that can't read english. It is edited by two famous celebrities :Jan Schlauer an Barry Meyers-Rice With best regards E. PARTRAT ################### From: Dionaea@aol.com Date: Fri, 4 Feb 2000 15:13:55 EST Subject: Looking for Dave Evans and Larry Logoteta Dave Evans and Larry Logoteta, If you are still on the list, could please send me a quick email at dionaea@aol.com Thanks. Christoph ################### From: Rick Walker Date: Fri, 04 Feb 2000 12:48:40 -0800 Subject: Re: Unsub question > VFTMaxwell@aol.com writes: > > What's the email address to the unsubscribe from this list? To unsubscribe, send the one-line message: UNSUB CP To listserv@opus.hpl.hp.com Best regards, -- Rick Walker ################### From: CMDodd@aol.com Date: Fri, 4 Feb 2000 23:10:56 EST Subject: Re: N. clipeata and/or its hybrid Dear Nepenthophiles, Concerning the ID of the N. clipeata that are beginning to show up from T/C in collections, I have a few of these plants from three different sources and will comment on their physical appearance after a brief discussion on their origins as far as I understand them. All three of these plants had their origin in seed produced at Munich Botanic Gardens, Germany. The story goes that Munich had both a male and a female N. clipeata in flower, and pollinated some (unknown) percentage of the female inflorescence with the male and another percentage with another species, of who's ID I am uncertain. At some point either the lables were lost or the seed gathered by someone unaware of the mixed origin of the seed pods and the seed was all thrown together. I was sent 15 seeds by Munich "half" (7/8) of the seeds were sent to John de Kanel and the other half to Atlanta Botanic Gardens to tissue culture. Given the high mortality of seedlings I did not want to take a chance on killing them. Unfortunately the point was moot as the seed was appearantly killed en route from Germany. John later received more of the seed himself as did Andreas Wistuba, and this time the seed was viable. I believe ABG later got seed or more likely T/C plants from Andreas. I received plants directly from ABG, John and indirectly from Andreas (thank you Jeff!). As to the plants, all three did/do not produce every leaf as a peltate leaf when young. Young plants may produce peltate or deeply truncated "v" or heart shaped leaves until a few inches across. One leaf type may follow another only to revert back in the next, but finally they seem to settle into the peltate type. The plants from John tend to be more robust, they need to reach about 12 inches in diameter before they show any peltate insertion of the tendril which is about 1/6 of the way in from the leaf tip. The new leaves are a cherry red color, unique to be sure. The are somewhat square in outline. The pitchers are typical of the species as far as I can tell, high vaulted concave lid, bulbous base, constriced middle and tapering funnel shaped neck. Entire pitcher is tomentose (furry). Color is green with purplish mottling. The plants from Andreas and ABG are slower of growth. They tend to develop the peltate character at 4" across. The tendril insertion is nearly in the center of the leaf. The leaf is oval in outline and somewhat depressed in the center like a very shallow funnel. The pitcher is less colorful so far, being more green with less spotting. It too is 'fuzzy'. Whether these plants represent hybrid vs. species is difficult to say. N. clipeata has been so rare in collections that these were the first living plants of it I had ever seen. They may represent variation within a species. The difference in growth could also indicate hybrid vigor but I certainly do not believe any deception as to the ID is the case, especially given the difficulty involved with the seed's origin. (All the seeds I saw looked remarkably alike!) I will say that both of these specimen types are well worth cultivating. Despite its scarcity in the wild, it does not appear to be a difficult plant to grow, and anyone who can grow N. truncata or veitchii well should have no problems with it. Cliff ################### From: "Ren\351e Gaillard" Date: Sat, 05 Feb 2000 01:19:47 -0800 Subject: Cephalotus Hi, Who is willing to sell me seed or better, a Cephalotus plant ? Tx in advance, Renee, Belgium ################### From: "Sundew Sundew" Date: Sat, 5 Feb 2000 08:43:06 -0500 Subject: re: genlisea propagation > Topic No. 3 > > Date: Fri, 4 Feb 2000 16:35:40 +1100 > From: "Richard Jobson" > To: cp@opus.hpl.hp.com > Subject: Genlisea propagation > Message-ID: <200002040635.QAA13690@bunyip.cc.uq.edu.au> > > Dear Andy, > I would like to hear some more details as to how you prepare and > culture the Genlisea leaf cuttings. I am pretty sure that Sundew > Matt has had some luck with leaf cuttings for Genlisea as well. > Thanks, > Richard. I've tried leaf cuttings of the following: G.violacea and sp.violacea giant: very easy. hispidula: also easy filiformis: easy but really slow as this has been a slow grower for me! aurea: thought it worked the second time but if it did, it disappeared! richard, you didnt "borrow it", did you?! ;) uncinata: currently waiting. Genlisea will grow in only moist conditions but seem to prefer very wet soil. However, for new species, I believe the best choice is to grow them moist cause wet conditions can often result in rotting of many CP. If anyone has any other Genlisea, email me if you want to swap for other CP. I'd like to get my hands on some of the other African ones, especially. Matt ################### From: Ivan Snyder Date: Sat, 5 Feb 2000 09:29:43 -0800 Subject: Ping Observation/Explanation Hi again CPers, > While seeing Pinguicula macroceras var. nortensis in its natural >sites up in Northern California I observed something which at first had >me very curios. It seemed impossible that this >plant could capture such sized insects which would seem to have no >trouble in struggling free. Many plants had housefly sized flying insects >and a few even had great big dragon flies! Funny thing though, when I sprinkle >live fruitflies on my butterworts here at home they nearly always get >free from the plants and have no trouble doing so. So then, how can we >explain the large size of the insects which are captured in nature? My idea to account for the plant capturing large insects in nature is this: Perhaps the insects settle down on the leaves in the evening and then become inactive with the cooling night. Meanwhile, during the night, the butterwort's leaves fold over the sleeping insect. By morning, escape is too late for the insect. Has this explantation occurred to anyone else? Ivan Snyder Hermosa Beach California ________________________________________________________________ YOU'RE PAYING TOO MUCH FOR THE INTERNET! Juno now offers FREE Internet Access! Try it today - there's no risk! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. ################### From: Juerg Steiger Date: Sun, 06 Feb 2000 14:05:58 +0000 Subject: Re: Ping Observation/Question Hi Ivan >Many plants had housefly sized flying insects and a few even had > great big dragon flies! Funny thing though, when I sprinkle >live fruitflies on my butterworts here at home they nearly always get >free from the plants and have no trouble doing so. So then, how can we >explain the large size of the insects which are captured in nature? I have observed the same phenomenon in other northern Pinguicula species: Captured dragon-flies and crane-flies. My observations: In natural Pinguicula sites there is usually high relative air humidity in the night, the nocturnal temperature decline mostly resulting in dew. So particularly in the early morning the Pinguicula leaves get extremely slimy. The advantage of an increased amount of mucous juice seems to prevail the disadvantage of its relative dilution. The more juice there is around the more likely it is that the wings are sticked on and the wings are the killer criterion. As a result even large prey cannot escape from the trapping, each gland contact and each movement causes numerous mucous filaments. As soon as their wings are In addition the leaves' margins begin to fold in after a prey contact. There are two kinds of larger insects trapped: Dragon-flies are day-active and as most day-active insects they become stiff and sluggish in the low night and morning temperatures. They are either captured during their first morning flights or in late afternoon-evening. Those which cannot liberate themselves before night will resign their efforts due to the combination of weariness, general loss of activity in the darkness and activity reduction due to the temperature decline. Dragon-flies captured at noon-early afternoon can often escape. Crane-flies are night-active and are attracted by wet substrate in which their larvae feed. They are large but not as strong as the dragon flies and they are hopelessly lost in the ample digestive juice caused by the prey-stimulation plus the high air humidity. These explanations are confirmed by the following observation: With my greenhouse Pinguiculas I did not observe large prey as long as I kept the plants in medium air humidity, although insects had access to the plants. But three years ago I installed several ultrasonic humidifiers, resulting in relative air humidity of 97-100 percent each morning. Since then I also observe occasionally large crane-flies and smaller dragon-flies captured by the Pinguiculas (including P. macroceras ssp. nortensis) which erroneously get into the greenhouse. At noon time air humidity decreases to about 60 percent, the secretion droplets of the mucous glands get smaller and the leaves look dryer. Of course at the higher noon temperatures day-active insects are more alert and 'stronger'. This allows even smaller insects (particularly 'Schwebefliegen' - I just forgot the english term) to escape before their wings are sticked on. Kind regards Juerg ################### From: DeepDown Date: Sun, 06 Feb 2000 13:32:18 +0100 Subject: Does anyone have good pictures of plants and growing technics ? Hi, there! I'm writting this letter from Norway, and I'm a new member to this newsletter. I have been growing plants for some years now.. It all starded when I was just about 12 years old... I think.. Some friends came accross this wierd looking plant which was able to "eat insects" ?? ..and as the years gone bye, I now own a 400 liter terrarium, and several species of plants. I have placed them all in the terrarium, and some of the Sarracenias to catch "window-flies". (those annoying tiny small flies) I have ICQ, if you which to contact me; 13516715 (please send a message like, "I love CP too :-)" ) Cheers, Stig Henning ----- http://www.spedia.net/cgi-bin/tz.cgi?run=show_svc&fl=8&vid=208731 [HTML file part2 deleted by listprocessor] ################### From: Ronnie Date: Sun, 06 Feb 2000 09:20:11 -0500 Subject: Back to CP After a long absence of carnivorous plants in my life I am about to get re-involved. I am going to be introducing my wife to them for the first time. So, I am setting up a terrerium with some sundews and maybe some terr. bladderworts. What does great in that setting and where can I get some other that the local Home Depot? Ronnie Atlanta GA ################### From: "sundew" Date: Mon, 7 Feb 2000 07:24:26 +1100 Subject: Brilliant Sarracenia showcase in UK mag. Gardens Illustrated Dear Fellow cpers Just thought I would inform all of you the great article in Gardens Illustrated, December 1999/ January 2000, from the United Kingdom. The article is written by John and Jean Ainsworth, and features beautiful pics of various _Sarracenias_, in a total of eight pages! Well worth the non UK readers hunting down. As it is near impossible to get certain US mags with great cp features, this would have to be one of the few benefits of still being in the monarchy! BTW, if any US readers have any notable cp magazine articles of interest and can't get a copy of this mag, I am willing to do a trade. Just email me privately. Regards Nathan J. Clemens sundew@mitmania.net.au Bowral NSW Australia ' Treat the earth well. It was not given to you by your parents. It was lent to you by your children.' [HTML file part2 deleted by listprocessor] ################### From: "Andy Falshaw" Date: Mon, 7 Feb 2000 11:14:47 +1300 Subject: Re: genlisea leaf cuttings > I would like to hear some more details as to how you prepare and > culture the Genlisea leaf cuttings. I am pretty sure that Sundew > Matt has had some luck with leaf cuttings for Genlisea as well. I did pretty much what is suggested in "the savage garden". For g. violacea I pulled single leaves off the plant, and laid them on top of live sphagnum. I didn't pay any attention to whether they came off with any white on the base or not. This is in an unheated terrarium in natural light, where the parent plant is doing ok, and I did it in autumn. After a week or two some leaves had clearly died off, the others started to grow small traps. Once I was sure the cuttings had taken I potted them up into either live sphagnum or a 50:50 peat:sand mix, either worked ok. I gave these plants away a month or two ago, I haven't heard how they're doing, I assume they're fine. Andy ################### From: Michael Feddersen Date: Sun, 6 Feb 2000 15:50:46 -0800 (PST) Subject: Spring Nepenthes Cutting Sale Hello, With all this warm winter here I am having my annual Nepenthes cutting sale a little early. I posted ad ad on the cp trading post or you can email me at bb626@scn.org. This year I have added more varieties and am including bonus cutting or plants. Truly, Tom Kahl/Nepenthes Club ################### From: jneps Date: Sun, 06 Feb 2000 17:30:43 -0700 Subject: Re: Spring Nepenthes Cutting Sale Hi Tom, Since you're taking some cuttings, I thought I'd offer you a trade of sorts. I have a couple of things you might be interested in. One is a rooted cutting of N. singalana, the other is a young N. hamata. Also have rooted cuttings of NN. fusca, eymai, gymnamphora purple, and a few other things. What I am looking for is a rooted lowii cutting, several inches of freshly cut lowii vine, or something else unusual. Let me know if you're interested. Regards, Jeff Shafer Michael Feddersen wrote: > > Hello, > With all this warm winter here I am having my annual Nepenthes cutting > sale a little early. I posted ad ad on the cp trading post or you can > email me at bb626@scn.org. This year I have added more varieties and > am including bonus cutting or plants. > Truly, > Tom Kahl/Nepenthes Club ################### From: jneps Date: Sun, 06 Feb 2000 18:05:17 -0700 Subject: Oops! Re: Spring Nepenthes Cutting Sale My apologies to the list. My comments below were obviously not intended for distribution. Have been using a new email program which easily allows this sort of mistake. Will be more on guard henceforth. Jeff Shafer jneps wrote: > > Hi Tom, > > Since you're taking some cuttings, I thought I'd offer you a trade > of sorts. I have a couple of things you might be interested in. > One is a rooted cutting of N. singalana, the other is a young > N. hamata. Also have rooted cuttings of NN. fusca, eymai, > gymnamphora purple, and a few other things. What I am looking for is a > rooted lowii cutting, several inches of freshly cut lowii vine, or > something else unusual. Let me know if you're interested. > > Regards, > Jeff Shafer > > Michael Feddersen wrote: > > > > Hello, > > With all this warm winter here I am having my annual Nepenthes cutting > > sale a little early. I posted ad ad on the cp trading post or you can > > email me at bb626@scn.org. This year I have added more varieties and > > am including bonus cutting or plants. > > Truly, > > Tom Kahl/Nepenthes Club ################### From: Hendrik De Rocker Date: Mon, 07 Feb 2000 10:16:22 +0100 Subject: Nepenthes pervillei Hello, I received a seedling of Nepenthes pervillei. Could somebody give me some information about its habitat, culture, history ? Thank you in advance, Hendrik ################### From: "Susan Farrington" Date: Mon, 7 Feb 2000 07:00:41 -0600 Subject: Okefenokee I'm thinking of planning a canoeing trip to the Okefenokee Swamp (Georgia) sometime next spring (not this year)... what would be the best time to see Sarracenia in bloom? Any advice is greatly appreciated! Susan Farrington Missouri Botanical Garden P.O. Box 299 St. Louis MO 63166-0299 susan.farrington@mobot.org (314)577-9402 ################### From: "Trent Meeks" Date: Mon, 07 Feb 2000 09:36:38 PST Subject: Re:global warming >Hey, I know that global warming is making things speed up but today I >Sarracenia flava flower that opened its petals. How is everyone else >doing? >Dick in the uk. I have a S. readii with five open flowers and a sixth one on the way up, yet the plant is still producing those wavy red tendrils for growth(do those qualify as phyllodia?). One S. rubra gulfensis has four flowers on the way up. Everything else (I only have about twenty five Sarracenia plants, including three different forms of flava) is still in dormancy. Trent Meeks Pompano Beach, Fl ################### From: "Michael Hunt" Date: Mon, 7 Feb 2000 13:29:04 -0500 Subject: Re:global warming or just normal early spring flowers Flowering now outside Pingicula ionantha, just starting P. primuliflora, P. planifolia, buds showing on P. lutea. D. capillaris and D. brevifolia. Sarracenia seedlings from last year are sprouting in the bog garden. A few hybrid Sarracenia have passed full bloom, but just a few. Most are still dormant. This is about the time of year that I usually see new life on the plants here (Around Valentines Day) ~Mike St. Petersburg Fl USA ----- Original Message ----- To: "Multiple recipients of list" Sent: Monday, February 07, 2000 12:39 PM > > > >Sarracenia flava flower that opened its petals. How is everyone else > >doing? > > >Dick in the uk. > > I have a S. readii with five open flowers and a sixth one on the way up, yet > the plant is still producing those wavy red tendrils for growth(do those > qualify as phyllodia?). One S. rubra gulfensis has four flowers on the way > up. Everything else (I only have about twenty five Sarracenia plants, > including three different forms of flava) is still in dormancy. > > Trent Meeks > Pompano Beach, Fl > > ################### From: "dick c tran" Date: Mon, 07 Feb 2000 13:53:37 -0800 Subject: ultra-sonic mini-fogger hi all, As you may recall, i was looking for the ultrasonic transducers that was inside household humidifiers and a couple of you helpful souls responded with great advice as to where to look.... Thank you! As a result, I was able to find a mini-fogger manufactured by TAAM. Its about 1.5 inch in diameter. These things are EXPENSIVE if you buy from retail stores that carry them. They range from $60 to $75 dollars. However, I was able to find one on the web for $47 dollars from a herp supply site. If anyone is interested, pay them a visit at http://www.herpsupplies.com dick MailCity. Secure Email Anywhere, Anytime! http://www.mailcity.com ################### From: Margaret Boomer Date: Mon, 07 Feb 2000 20:22:07 -0800 Subject: Re: Nephenthes cuttings Dear Tom: Please send me a list of the nephenthes cuttings. Thank you, Margaret Boomer ################### From: Owen Priddle Date: Mon, 7 Feb 2000 21:30:06 -0800 (PST) Subject: _Passiflora_foetida_ Hi everybody- Does anyone have any seeds, plants, or information on _Passiflora_foetida_, the passion flower with the supposedly carnivorous flower bracts, available for sale or trade? Anyone interested please contact me for trade possibilities. Thanks- -Owen ################### From: Steve Hinkson Date: Mon, 07 Feb 2000 21:52:02 -0800 Subject: Nepenthes truncata A wonderful man, Andrew Marshall (a member of this newsgroup) just sent me an established plant of Nepenthes truncata. (LOL, and now I know how such a big plant got it's name, too *wink*) I'd love to hear opinions on how to grow it. Andrew warns me that this plant REALLY objects to being pruned, and doesn't much care for being repotted. Well, I have several Orchids that are set back by repotting, so I know how to build a mix that doesn't loose it's porousity, and just needs occational added organics. Anything else? I live in the Desert Southwest. Many of my Nepenthes tolerate the low humidity in my greenhouse just fine, once they've adapted to it. (their leaves thicken considerably, as do the pitcher walls) Will this plant tolerate summer realitive humidity near 30% in the daytime? Anybody ever try? Thanks in advance. Steve Drop by and see me at : http://www.geocities.com/HotSprings/Spa/6811 ################### From: bruce dudley Date: Tue, 8 Feb 2000 03:23:44 -0800 (PST) Subject: Sarracenia dormancy Hi All, I've been reading the comments about Sarracenia sprouting flowers and new growth. In the milder climates such as Florida I'm not surprised that these plants are blooming about 2-4 weeks before the time when these plants will bloom up in my part of the country (NC). Mid and lower FLorida is below most of these species normal growing range (with the exception of S. minor which may no longer grow that far south....) Since the temps here don't remain in the 30's-40's for as many nights during a long enough period to make a good dormancy period you may experience a sudden growth every year. I hear people talk about new growth this early every year! There is a little more talk this year than in the past. To keep your plants from sprouting this early you may want to try a deep pine straw mulch, leave the plants drier, in a shaded part of the yard, in a fairly windy area to keep circulation up. I've grown these plants for nearly 20 years this way. They love it. They tend to take mild winters (not this one! We were covered in snow this time around) better when protected from the sun and occasional warm temps. Remember, some pitcher plants do begin breaking dormancy at the end of February and the first week of March in their most southern ranges anyway. Not to worry! They'll survive.... they have for a long time already. You may lose some flowers to a frost, but the plants will do fine. As for UK conditions, I can't say. Most Sarracenia aren't native to that area so growers will have to play it by ear. When a warm spell is coming on keep them in a shady area. But, keep them drier! You don't want them to rot. Good growing everyone Bruce ################### From: "Philip Semanchuk" Date: Tue, 8 Feb 2000 09:47:06 -0500 Subject: Re: Okefenokee >I'm thinking of planning a canoeing trip to the Okefenokee Swamp >(Georgia) sometime next spring (not this year)... what would be the >best time to see Sarracenia in bloom? Any advice is greatly >appreciated! Hi Susan, In southeastern North Carolina, the end of April is a good time to see Sarracenia in bloom. I would guess that south Georgia would be as much as a month ahead of this schedule. Make sure you know where to look, as well. I was there in early January of this year and the rangers I spoke to had no idea where to look for carnivorous plants in the swamp. I was hugely disappointed. What really got me mad is that within view of the ranger station there is a drainage ditch with a large population of D. capillaris on one side. (We went in the west entrance, BTW.) I went back and told one ranger, but she didn't seem to care. Happy hunting! Philip URL du jour: http://www.drbronner.com/main.html PS - Re: dormancy, here in Durham, NC my CPs just got blasted with 18 inches of snow and some arctic cold about a week ago, so any thoughts they had about an early start were squashed. ################### From: schlauer@chemie.uni-wuerzburg.de Date: Tue, 8 Feb 2000 16:49:12 +0000 Subject: Re: Brilliant Sarracenia showcase in UK mag. Gardens Illustrated Dear Nathan, > Dear Fellow cpers Just thought I would inform all of you the great > article in Gardens Illustrated, December 1999/ January 2000, from > the United Kingdom. The article is written by John and Jean > Ainsworth, and features beautiful pics of various _Sarracenias_, in > a total of eight pages! Well worth the non UK readers hunting down. Thanks for the info. Do they feature more "names" in addition to their "Black Tube" (unregistered, no standard), "Brooks Hybrid" (not established), "Red Lid" (unregistered, no standard), "Red Tube" (unacceptable homonym), "Wavy Lid" (unregistered), and "White Trumpet" (unregistered)? Are the pictures photographs? Kind regards Jan ################### From: "Steve Alton" Date: Tue, 8 Feb 2000 16:43:40 -0000 Subject: New webpage Dear All, I have launched upon the ether a CP web-page! It's very much under construction at the moment, photos on most pages but very little text. However, the growlist and plant trading page _is_ up and running. Have a look - and feel free to report any bugs. The "virtual greenhouse" in particular is infested with bugs (a case of art imitating life?) The url is: http://hometown.aol.com/stevedalton/myhomepage/pitcher.html Easy to remember, huh? Regards, Steve Steve Alton UK Co-ordinator - Millennium Seed Bank Royal Botanic Gardens, Kew Wakehurst Place Tel: 01444 894079 Fax: 01444 894069 ################### From: trynur@mailhost.alaska.net Date: Tue, 08 Feb 2000 19:16:37 GMT Subject: UK nurseries I will be traveling to England and Spain the later part of March. I'd like to visit nurseries in the London area that carry CP's. My questions are: 1. Are there any nurseries in the London area that carry a good supply of CP's? 2. Would any of them have Pinguicula alpina? Thank you, Doug Tryck Anchorage, Alaska ################### From: bruce dudley Date: Wed, 9 Feb 2000 03:10:03 -0800 (PST) Subject: Okefenokee Rangers Phil- The rangers know where the plants are. They won't tell just anyone though. Believe me, with all the poaching that goes on in the swamp, they care, too! It's better for them to play dumb than to end up having all the plants taken by people who just want a little something to remember their visit by. You probably scared them when you showed them the sundews. You would do better to find a guide when you visit the swamp. Your guide should have a boat too. The best stands of Okee Minor are floating far away from the land trails. Bruce BTW: I am sorry if I "sent" a similar message to the group! I was trying to erase the other letters to focus on Phil's. I think I hit the wrong key and sent it before I was done writing.... I love technology. > Hi Susan, > In southeastern North Carolina, the end of April is > a good time to see > Sarracenia in bloom. I would guess that south > Georgia would be as much as a > month ahead of this schedule. Make sure you know > where to look, as well. I > was there in early January of this year and the > rangers I spoke to had no > idea where to look for carnivorous plants in the > swamp. I was hugely > disappointed. What really got me mad is that within > view of the ranger > station there is a drainage ditch with a large > population of D. capillaris > on one side. (We went in the west entrance, BTW.) I > went back and told one > ranger, but she didn't seem to care. > > Happy hunting! > > Philip > URL du jour: http://www.drbronner.com/main.html > > PS - Re: dormancy, here in Durham, NC my CPs just > got blasted with 18 inches > of snow and some arctic cold about a week ago, so > any thoughts they had > about an early start were squashed. ################### From: Juerg Steiger Date: Wed, 09 Feb 2000 17:25:21 +0200 Subject: Free online translation service Dear CPers This is off-topic, but the following webpage might be of interest for some of you. It makes at no costs translations between different languages. The machine-made translations are not very good but may be useful for a first draft or for just grasping the message of a foreign language text. http://officeupdate.lhsl.com/ Kind regards Juerg ################### From: Juerg Steiger Date: Wed, 09 Feb 2000 17:36:05 +0200 Subject: Pinguicula antarctica Dear all Is there anyone who could sell or trade seeds or plants of Pinguicula antarctica? Please contact me privately at Kind regards Dr. Juerg F. Steiger University of Bern Faculty of Medecine, IAWF Inselspital 37a CH-3010 Bern, Switzerland Tel +41 (0)31 632 9887 Fax +41 (0)31 632 9871 ################### From: Barry Meyers-Rice Date: Wed, 9 Feb 2000 10:28:16 -0800 (PST) Subject: Sarracenia rosea: A new Sarracenia species Hey folks, I saw in the latest issue of SIDA (18:4), several authors have written a description of what they consider to be a new species of Sarracenia! This species, called Sarracenia rosea, will test the ranks of CPers the world over, as some may accept it and others may not. Essentially, it is a subpopulation of plants that, before this paper, would have been lumped with Sarracenia purpurea subsp. purpurea. Two of the authors, Case & Case, are long-time workers in Sarracenia, and their opinions should not be taken lightly... I don't have time to write more (I'm preparing for some talks and a business trip), so go to your library, get a copy of the paper, and make your own decisions. ------------------------ Dr. Barry A. Meyers-Rice Carnivorous Plant Newsletter Conservation Coeditor barry@carnivorousplants.org http://www.carnivorousplants.org ################### From: CALIFCARN@aol.com Date: Wed, 9 Feb 2000 14:30:14 EST Subject: Re: P. macroceras nortensis I found Ivan's and Juerg's comments on this butterwort interesting. On one of my trips up to Del Norte County in late summer of 1998, with a group of CP enthusiasts from the Bay Area, I pointed out large flies and carpenter ants caught in the leaves of the plants. There were several, and it was quite amazing. Some folks took photos but I have never seen them and don't know if they came out. The scene was so impressive I suggested that the photos might make it to the cover of the CPN. In my book The Savage Garden, I mention baby praying mantis being caught on our greenhouse P. moranensis. I think the glue on butterworts is very strong, and positioned correctly (or incorrectly in the eyes of a bug!) pretty large victims can be overwhelmed. Peter at California Carnivores ################### From: "Trent Meeks" Date: Wed, 09 Feb 2000 12:02:13 PST Subject: Re: Sarracenia dormancy Bruce, Thanks for the input. I live about 350 miles south of the Sarracenia Zone, so winter dormancy is critical if I want to continue growing these beautiful plants. >Hi All, >I've been reading the comments about Sarracenia >sprouting flowers and new growth. In the milder >climates such as Florida I'm not surprised that these >plants are blooming about 2-4 weeks before the time >when these plants will bloom up in my part of the >country (NC). So far, only one plant of S. rubra gulfensis and S. readii are blooming in my collection, everything else is just beginning to show signs of coming out of dormancy. > Mid and lower FLorida is below most of >these species normal growing range (with the exception >of S. minor which may no longer grow that far >south....) The southern-most stand of S. minor was on the north side of Lake Okeechobee. It is now a watermellon field. Since the temps here don't remain in the >30's-40's for as many nights during a long enough >period to make a good dormancy period you may >experience a sudden growth every year. I hear people >talk about new growth this early every year! There is >a little more talk this year than in the past. To >keep your plants from sprouting this early you may >want to try a deep pine straw mulch, leave the plants >drier, in a shaded part of the yard, in a fairly windy >area to keep circulation up. I've grown these plants >for nearly 20 years this way. They love it. They >tend to take mild winters (not this one! We were >covered in snow this time around) better when >protected from the sun and occasional warm temps. My Sarracenias are in deep shade in the winter until about noon. My plants are in true dormancy starting about the third week of December through the end of February. This is not a very long dormancy period, but seems to be enough. It's worked for about four years now. I force my Sarracenias to go dormant starting on Thanksgiving day. I water them with R.O. water chilled to 35 degrees F. It's all they get other than rain. By Dec. I throw buckets of R.O. ice cubes into the trays, and "water" once a week by placing the ice in the pots at night. By the first week of Dec., the leucos put up one last batch of pitchers, and everything else slows down dramatically. The S. rubra grow underdeveloped, twisted looking traps, flava, catesbaei, leuco send up phyllodia, etc.; growing comes to a grinding halt. >Remember, some pitcher plants do begin breaking >dormancy at the end of February and the first week of >March in their most southern ranges anyway. Not to >worry! They'll survive.... they have for a long time >already. You may lose some flowers to a frost, but >the plants will do fine. Nice thing about south Florida-never gets cold enough to blast flowers, and pitchers from last fall hold up well- may get a little wind battered. I know I've only been doing this "icing down my Sarracenias" for four years, but with each spring my plants seem to be more robust and generally in better health. Until later, Trent Meeks Pompano Beach, Florida ################### From: "Trent Meeks" Date: Wed, 09 Feb 2000 12:24:24 PST Subject: Re: Nepenthes truncata Hi Steve, N. truncata is one of my best growers here in south Florida. I agree with Andrew. Generally, they do not like to be manhandled. I grow mine in a more porous mix than the other Nepenthes(I add medium grade pumice to the mix), and find they like a little more drying out between waterings (Again, compared to other Nepenthes). I'm sure they will tolerate lower humidity for part of the day, but that's not how you get the big pitchers. High humidity will result in big pitchers, and truncata is among the most spectacular! Also, truncata tolerates a wide range of temperatures. Until later, Trent Meeks Pompano Beach, Fl >I'd love to hear opinions on how to grow it. Andrew warns me that this >plant REALLY objects to being pruned, and doesn't much care for being repotted. >Well, I have several Orchids that are set back by repotting, so I know how to build a mix that doesn't loose it's >porousity, and >just needs occational added organics. >Anything else? >I live in the Desert Southwest. Many of my Nepenthes tolerate the low >humidity in my greenhouse just fine, once they've adapted to it. (their leaves thicken considerably, as do the pitcher walls) Will this plant tolerate summer realitive humidity near 30% in the daytime? Anybody ever try? ################### From: "Mellard, David" Date: Wed, 9 Feb 2000 15:46:50 -0500 Subject: RE: Sarracenia rosea: A new Sarracenia species >I saw in the latest issue of SIDA (18:4), several authors have written a >description of what they consider to be a new species of Sarracenia! For those of us who don't have access to SIDA, can someone post it on their website, provided that's legal. David Atlanta ################### From: Barry Meyers-Rice Date: Wed, 9 Feb 2000 13:44:07 -0800 (PST) Subject: Sarracenia rosea Whoops! In my last posting I mentioned the newly published name, Sarracenia rosea. I mistakenly said this plant has been split from Sarracenia purpurea subsp. purpurea, when it was actually split from Sarracenia purpurea subsp. venosa. Sorry about that. Barry ------------------------ Dr. Barry A. Meyers-Rice Carnivorous Plant Newsletter Conservation Coeditor barry@carnivorousplants.org http://www.carnivorousplants.org ################### From: "Butler, Joe" <6butler@jmls.edu> Date: Wed, 9 Feb 2000 17:45:17 -0600 Subject: Ph level of Nepenthes fluid Does anyone know the ph value of the fluid contained in Nepenthes pitchers? I'm just curious. Joe Butler ################### From: "Andrew Marshall" Date: Wed, 9 Feb 2000 18:07:21 -0800 Subject: new e-mail address Hi Folks, Last week I announced, in hopeful tones my new e-mail address. I am now scrapping it. I have decided that despite the connectivity problem I have with my current ISP, they are minor compared to the ones I have had this week with the new address. So, andrewm@thevortex.com is no longer an address I will bother with. Please just go back to andrewm@olywa.net . Thank-you and in the meanwhile, any one who has sent me a message to the vortex address and not received a response, please re-send it to the olywa address. I know I have mail in the vortex inbox, and I can see from who, but can not get at it to answer it. When I try it takes as much as 10 minutes (timed) before I give up waiting for it to upload the mail from where ever it is hiding it. Then it takes even longer to decide what to do with it. I now know why it is called the vortex. Nothing comes back out of it with out great difficulty. Sorry for the trouble folks. Thanks for understanding. Best wishes Andrew ################### From: 8357737 Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2000 22:41:14 -0600 Subject: Steve Alton Hi Steve, I checked out your CP web page and tried to e-mail you about your grow list. My computer thinks your address does not exist. Is the link on your page wrong, or is my computer just ignorant? Bye, Anita (Mn. USA) [HTML file part2 deleted by listprocessor] ################### From: "Phill Mann" Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2000 01:56:44 +0800 Subject: Trapping of insects. > While seeing Pinguicula macroceras var. nortensis in its natural >sites up in Northern California I observed something which at first had >me very curios. It seemed impossible that this >plant could capture such sized insects which would seem to have no >trouble in struggling free. Many plants had housefly sized flying >insects >and a few even had great big dragon flies! Funny thing though, when I sprinkle >live fruitflies on my butterworts here at home they nearly always get >free from the plants and have no trouble doing so. So then, how can we >explain the large size of the insects which are captured in nature? Hi One point many seem to be missing with this subject is the viscosity of the sticky fluid in nature. As with the different Drosera here in West Australia in nature the fluid is far more viscous than any plants grown in cultivation with extra humidity. In the cultivated versions of any species the fluid will be "watered down" compared to in situ and this would allow for capture of larger insect. Plants grown in terrariums with very high humidity compared to nature would be inefficient in prey capture due to the thin fluid. Cheers Phill Mann P.O. Box 193 Harvey, 6220 Western Australia philmann@geo.net.au http://geo.net.au/~philmann "Light travels faster than sound" "That's why some people appear bright until they open their mouths" ################### From: "Richard Jobson" Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2000 16:15:19 +1100 Subject: Nepenthes pitcher pH Hey Joe, Just grabbed hold of Juniper's book, Chapter 9, and the question of pitcher fluid pH is not so straight forward. It varies between species quite a bit but the most salient feature is the reduction of pH after the trap opens. So for instance N. maxima has the biggest change from 7.0 before opening to 2.5 after opening. Other species go from 5.5 to 3.3. Therefore the pH of opened pitchers is fairly acidic. The mechanism for the change has something to do with extrusion of chlorine ions which affects potassium and hydrogen ions. When an animal falls into the fluid its proteins causes changes due to enzymes. Best, Richard. ################### From: Stephen Davis Date: Wed, 9 Feb 2000 23:02:37 -0800 Subject: Re: _Passiflora_foetida_ >Owen, I spent some time looking on the internet and found this wholesaler. Perhaps they can tell you who their clients are and you can have them order it. Stephen > >Does anyone have any seeds, plants, or information on >_Passiflora_foetida_, the passion flower with the >supposedly carnivorous flower bracts, available for >sale or trade? > >Anyone interested please contact me for trade >possibilities. ################### From: "St-Jean, Rob (ES.SE)" Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2000 07:50:50 -0500 Subject: Neem question Dear CP Growers, Can anyone let me know if they have safely used Neem on Nepenthes? Thanks in advance, Robert St-Jean ################### From: meadow@bealenet.com Date: Thu, 10 Feb 100 09:24:06 -500 Subject: Re: S. minor at southern limit Hi Folks: I saw the note about the demise of the southernmost stand of S. minor in Okeechobee County, Florida. According to the list serve the site was turned into a watermelon field. We wrote an article in CPN several years ago about the southernmost S. minor site in Florida for those of you who are interested. Fortunately, we have available a limited supply of propagated material from this now extinct site. If you are interested in obtaining some please contact us at meadowview@pitcherplant.org Sincerely, Phil Sheridan Director Meadowview Biological Research Station ################### From: "Michael Hunt" Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2000 09:00:42 -0500 Subject: ICPS in Yahoo A briefing appear's in the March 2000 issue of Yahoo Internet Life magazine on the ICPS FAQ's maintained by Barry Meyers-Rice. You can find it in the Cut & Paste section page 76-77. Any public relations are good, but the the article looks at website for the more bizarre, werid, novelty, and humerous aspects of the Venus Fly-Trap. ~Mike St. Petersburg Fl ################### From: "Michael Hunt" Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2000 09:05:41 -0500 Subject: ICPS renewal notice Hello, I received a postcard this week stating that my ICPS renewal had been received. It gave information on how ICPS subscriptions are processed. This is a very good idea and I feel it will please the membership. ~Mike St. Petersburg Fl ################### From: Barbro =?iso-8859-1?Q?Bergg=E5rd?= Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2000 15:43:29 +0100 Subject: SCPS Dear all, SCPS, Scandinavian Carnivorous Plant Society, is one of the exhibitor atScandinavia's largest garden exhibition. ,Since the very beginning twenty years ago, the Exhibition has developed in a positive way and the entire trade has come together at the Garden Exhibition in Sollentuna /Stockholm, Sweden. About 40,000 visitors have gardens as their major interest. The Exhibition attracts a large number of new visitors every year. The entire branch is represented among the 200 exhibitors - from leading suppliers,wholesale and retail dealers to professional organisations and interest groups,institutions and horticultural schools. We hope to see you in Sollentuna 23-26 March 2000! Barbro Berggard ___________________________________________________________ Barbro Bergg\345rd LUCRAM The Ecology Building Lund university Box 117 221 00 Lund Sweden Tel 046 222 4259 Fax 046 222 3669 http://www.lu.se/lucram ################### From: Amy Ritchie Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2000 07:26:40 -0800 (PST) Subject: keeping various pings together Even though all my previous pings died, I succeeded in building a new ping collection for myself. As of now I have: P. lutea, P. moranensis, P. prumiliflora, P. planifolia, P. caudata, P. caudata v. elheseria (did I spell that right!?), P. agnata blue flower, P. agnata violet flower, and a unknown hybrid. My question is this: I like to keep birds of a feather together, and instead of having a bunch of individual pots, I prefer to keep all my pings together in one big tray. But I know different pings have different needs. Will my pings survive if I plant all of them in a shallow 2" tray with about 1-1.5" peat moss on the bottom, and one half to 1" long-fibered sphagnum on the top? Amy http://www.homestead.com/flytraps ################### From: "Philip Semanchuk" Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2000 10:30:14 -0500 Subject: Re: Okefenokee Rangers (and VFT seeds) >The rangers know where the plants are. They won't >tell just anyone though....It's better for them to > play dumb... Well Bruce I will give this ranger the benefit of the doubt but she did an awfully convincing job of playing dumb! ; ) Thanks for tempering my attitude. A question for the group -- do VFT seeds benefit from stratification? Thanks Philip URL du jour: http://www.drbronner.com/main.html ################### From: schlauer@chemie.uni-wuerzburg.de Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2000 16:58:14 +0000 Subject: Re: keeping various pings together Dear Amy, > P. caudata v. elheseria (did I spell that right!?) That depends on what you meant. I suppose it should be _P. ehlersiae_. This is not a variety of _P. caudata_ (AKA _P. moranensis_) but a rather different species. But maybe you have a hybrid between the two. Kind regards Jan ################### From: "Mellard, David" Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2000 11:28:14 -0500 Subject: RE: Sarracenia rosea: A new Sarracenia species >I saw in the latest issue of SIDA (18:4), several authors have written a >description of what they consider to be a new species of Sarracenia! I have the local library checking out this magazine but they can't find it. What does SIDA stand for? David Atlanta ################### From: Barry Meyers-Rice Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2000 09:45:19 -0800 (PST) Subject: Florida Trip Hey folks, Barry Meyers-Rice here. I'm going to be on a business trip in Orlando Florida (and area) 11 - 21 of this month. Anyone in that area who want to get together and chat plants, or whatever, feel free to give me a call at the Hyatt Orlando. I don't know the room number, etc etc yet. Cheers Barry ------------------------ Dr. Barry A. Meyers-Rice Carnivorous Plant Newsletter Conservation Coeditor barry@carnivorousplants.org http://www.carnivorousplants.org ################### From: Hayes7@aol.com Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2000 13:21:43 EST Subject: Re: keeping various pings together Amy, My .02 I have found that the pings from the SE US like a lot of sand in their mix... Almost all sand on the top inch of the mix and 50/50 peat sand in the rest of the mix. Perhaps you could divide the tray in half? I lost much of my mexican ping collection in a fertilizing disaster and want to get it started again. If anybody has large plants and wants to set up a trade for spring, drop me a note with what you will have available and what you would like in return. Take care, -Tom Hayes www.dangerousplants.com > My question is this: I like to keep birds of a feather > together, and instead of having a bunch of individual > pots, I prefer to keep all my pings together in one > big tray. But I know different pings have different > needs. Will my pings survive if I plant all of them in > a shallow 2" tray with about 1-1.5" peat moss on the > bottom, and one half to 1" long-fibered sphagnum on > the top? ################### From: Kris Kopicki Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2000 16:36:00 +1030 Subject: Re: Trapping of insects. > One point many seem to be missing with this subject is the viscosity of the > sticky fluid in nature. > As with the different Drosera here in West Australia in nature the fluid is > far more viscous than any plants grown in cultivation with extra humidity. > In the cultivated versions of any species the fluid will be "watered down" > compared to in situ and this would allow for capture of larger insect. > Plants grown in terrariums with very high humidity compared to nature > would be inefficient in prey capture due to the thin fluid. Hi, I'd agree with that. I keep my pygmy drosera hot and relatively dry, and they have no problems catching moths and butterflys which are often much bigger than the plants. regards, Kris ################### From: "Susan Farrington" Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2000 06:55:30 -0600 Subject: Re: keeping pings together Amy, P. primuliflora should definitely be excluded from the rest of the pings... it likes it considerably wetter than the rest. I've had good luck growing it in a sand/peat mix with live sphagnum on top of the media. I keep it in one of the lower sections of my bog, or plant it in containers with Sarracenia that like to be pretty wet all summer. The OTHER pings like it drier and could perhaps all do well together... I like an equal mix of sand, peat, perlite and long-fibered sphagnum for these pings: they like a well drained media, and they don't like to SIT in water at any time of the year. Good luck! (P.lutea can be difficult and/or shortlived... it does like it drier, though, so perhaps it can live with the others.) I apolize for forgetting to send you the Mexican ping that I promised to send you, but it sounds like you're well outfitted at the moment! Susan > Even though all my previous pings died, I succeeded in > building a new ping collection for myself. As of now I > have: P. lutea, P. moranensis, P. prumiliflora, P. > planifolia, P. caudata, P. caudata v. elheseria (did I > spell that right!?), P. agnata blue flower, P. agnata > violet flower, and a unknown hybrid. > My question is this: I like to keep birds of a feather > together, and instead of having a bunch of individual > pots, I prefer to keep all my pings together in one > big tray. But I know different pings have different > needs. Will my pings survive if I plant all of them in > a shallow 2" tray with about 1-1.5" peat moss on the > bottom, and one half to 1" long-fibered sphagnum on > the top? Susan Farrington Missouri Botanical Garden P.O. Box 299 St. Louis MO 63166-0299 susan.farrington@mobot.org (314)577-9402 ################### From: Dionaea@aol.com Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2000 07:55:24 EST Subject: Looking for Angela Nichols Angela Nichols, if you are on this list, could you send me an email at Dionaea@aol.com Thanks. Christoph ################### From: "Aaron M. Ellison" Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2000 08:21:29 -0500 (EST) Subject: Sida & S. rosea Dave Mellard asked about the journal Sida. Sida is the name of the journal. If you can't get the journal, you can get a copy of the article (for $13.00) faxed to you or delivered via internet from Uncover http://uncweb.carl.org/ aaron ellison ################### From: "Andreas Wistuba" Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2000 15:52:24 +0100 Subject: News on Nepenthes and Heliamphora Dear CP-growers, the new pricelist is almost ready (a bit late this year, I admit...). The number one highlight included is _Heliamphora neblinae_ !!! I do not want to misuse this server by posting the list or prices here. If you wish to receive the list by e-mail as soon as it's ready (within the coming days) as well as updates on the list later this year, please send a mail with exactly the following subject line: list2000 Send your message to: nepenthes@wistuba.com Bye and good growing Andreas Wistuba ################### From: "Michael Hunt" Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2000 10:40:47 -0500 Subject: gulf coastal Pinguicula- planifolia/primuliflora Hello Amy, I can only answer for the southeastern USA Pinguicula. P. primuliflora and P. planifolia can be grown together, but P. planifolia requires much higher amounts of light to achieve its best coloration. My best results are using shallow bulb pans and I place these into deeper trays always keeping wet. Often flooding to having water cover the whole plant. A mixture of milled sphagnum and sand with a topping of live sphagnum is my mix. P. ionantha and P. planifolia are frequently found growing together in habitat and where this occurs they are in sloppy wet to shallow flooded areas. I have never found P. planifolia in a drier natural habitat, and where they do grow in very wet conditions they are very vigorous. A interesting observation on both P. ionantha & P. planifolia when they are grown at times in shallow water their leaves will move to point straight up to stick above the water. In the bog garden P. planifolia is planted in the lowest part of the bog with D. tracyi, S. psittacenia, S. purpurea venosa and I notice the same leaf movement after a heavy rain and they are submerged for a period of time. For P. primulifora I like to use deep containers, no drainage, and long fiber sphagnum growing them water logged year round. They will rot easy, but in strong light they do well. They can be acclimated to more light then I once thought possible. These plants appear less prone to rotting off, yet the growth is more compact. Take care, ~Mike St. Petersburg Fl ################### From: Ivan Snyder Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2000 09:17:42 -0800 Subject: Killer Pings! Hi Peter and all, Peter wrote: >I found Ivan's and Juerg's comments on this butterwort interesting. On one of >my trips up to Del Norte County in late summer of 1998, with a group of CP >enthusiasts from the Bay Area, I pointed out large flies and carpenter ants >caught in the leaves of the plants. There were several, and it was quite >amazing. Ivan here, Amazing, I'll say! I had just sent letters to Juerg Steiger and Paul Temple telling that I did not believe that ants would be seen captured by butterworts in nature. These powerful insects I felt would only sleep in their colony at night and not sit on a butterwort leaf long. Also, these insects have no wings which make other bugs more easy prey. Guess your observation blows away my theory, dang! I just spoke to Ed Read on this. He and Leo Song working together at Cal State Fullerton are assembling what they expect will be the largest collection of pings. Leo grows and hybridizes while Ed does tissue culture. Ed told me this interesting news: As you may have read before, P. ayautla has sparse retentive glands also on the back surface of the leaf. Leo has another relative of P. agnata with still more glands. They just found that one of their hybrids raised invetro has glands as densely packed on both sides of the leaves, imagine that, ...an ultra-killer ping! I just got a picture in my head of a hybrid with maybe P. moctezuma having long upright leaves sticky all-over. This would be quite spectacular. Ivan Snyder Hermosa Beach California ________________________________________________________________ YOU'RE PAYING TOO MUCH FOR THE INTERNET! Juno now offers FREE Internet Access! Try it today - there's no risk! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. ################### From: Juerg Steiger Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2000 18:58:24 +0200 Subject: Re: Killer Pings! >Amazing, I'll say! I had just sent letters to Juerg Steiger and Paul >Temple telling that I did not believe that ants would be seen captured by >butterworts in nature. I remember to have read a paper saying that one of the main prey of Ping. nevadensis (endemism of the Sierra Nevada in Spain) are ants. Just don't remember the authors name here in my office. Juerg ################### From: Paul Temple Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2000 19:33:27 +0000 Subject: Re: keeping various pings together >As of now I have: P. lutea, P. moranensis, P. prumiliflora, P. >planifolia, P. caudata, P. caudata v. elheseria (did I >spell that right!?), P. agnata blue flower, P. agnata >violet flower, and a unknown hybrid. Amy, you can safely keep some of those species together in a single tray. However, P. moranensis (and "P. caudata" which is also P. moranensis - but keep it labelled a P. caudata!) is a very large plant and would easily overgrow almost anything given half a chance, so it deserves its own pot or tray. Then P. planifolia and P. lutea are different from each other and from all the rest so ideally need to be treated differently. The rest can be together but as P. agnata generally dislikes too much water in winter you will need to keep the tray drier in winter than might be necessary for other plants. Generally, the reason why people suffer so many plant losses is that we all like to keep them in nice simple conditions that save us time and energy. This often means all the plants are treated the same. Unfortunately, plants are like people so if you treat any two exactly the same, at least one of them will be less than fully happy! As to a two inch deep tray, justabout all the Pinguiculas have very shallow roots so certainly all that you mentioned and most othrs will be quite able to root as well as necessary in such a shallow pot. But as it is so shallow you will need to be careful not to let the soil get too wet. Contrary to popular opinion many of them grow in areas where the soil or rock is rarely wet. It's often just damp. Hope this helps. Regards Paul ################### From: "mike wilder" Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2000 21:25:48 GMT Subject: address for a. slack?/ping question hello, 1. does anyone have a mailing address for adrian slack? 2. does anyone know the name of the ping illustrated in "insect eating plants and how to grow them" as 'harold weiner's species novae no. 4'? is anyone in the us growing this plant? thanks in advance--mike ################### From: "E. PARTRAT & B. BERNARD" Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2000 09:59:06 +0100 Subject: 'harold weiner's species novae no. 4'? This species is called Pinguicula reticulta or P. rotundiflora in the French version of A. Slack's book. But it should be in fact P. rotundiflora and not the first one. Hope this help. With best regards E. PARTRAT ################### From: j.dewitte@t-online.de (Jean-Pierre De Witte) Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2000 09:58:45 GMT Subject: clipeata - seeds I was away all week (Orlando, business only) so I didn't see Cliff's remarks on the clipeata hybrids till yesterday. Going back throough my notes of 1955, there were indeed three kind of seeds. I recorded clipeata, clipeata? and (clipeata*emay)*clipeata. I recieved several seedlings of clipeata from the owner of the male plant (which is not the Botanical Garden of Munich by the way). They are standing in the greenhouse and grow very slowly. The seeds I got from Munich were almost exlusively the hybrid form, and they germinated 100%. Some of the plants have 50 cm across and with me don't show much of clipeata. The fact that they are (clipeata*emay) crossed with clipeata might explain the appearance of more specific clipeata features in some of the plants (where the clipeata features of the male parent dominate and could create something like a clipeata back-cross) and not at all in others. On another subject: I am closely watching the different nepenthes seeds I put out last month. Oldest ones to germinate (after less than 30 days!) are seeds from 1992 (I don't have older ones!). I have now 5 species (varying in origin from 1992 to 1996) that are germinating within what I used for nepenthes, altough 30m days is short. Regardless of how many more will germinate, this proves (for me) that the shelf life of nepenthes seeds is larger than assumed. Regards to all, Jean-Pierre De Witte mailto: j.dewitte@t-online.de Time: 08:21:12 http://www.jeandewitte.de This message was sent by XFMail ---------------------------------- ################### From: bruce dudley Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2000 07:00:21 -0800 (PST) Subject: Re: Adrian Slack I was hoping to get Adrian Slack's email one day, too. Is it possible to post it on the list serve? If not, would you email individually Mike? Thanks! Bruce ################### From: JScott9653@aol.com Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2000 13:38:09 EST Subject: D. burmannii? Hello I would like to know if D. burmannii needs any stratification before planting its seeds. thanks jscott ################### From: osito@intraweb.cl (Jose Gengler L.) Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2000 15:38:44 -0400 Subject: foot candles to lumens Hi! I have been looking at James and Patricia Pietropaolo's book entitled "Carnivorous Plants of the World". It is a very technical, sinthetic, and full of wise advises. Units come both in metric and american systems. I am very glad I bought that book. But one thing has got my attention. They measure luminosity in foot candles, a unit they say is widespread. All the literature I have been reviewing measures luminosity in lumens. I don't know the relationship between these two units. I supose it is not a linear relatinship. I would greatly appreciate if someone shares a conversion formula. Note: I haven't been able to see this message in the list. That's why I am sendinf it again. Thnks, ################### From: osito@intraweb.cl (Jose Gengler L.) Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2000 15:38:44 -0400 Subject: CPs in Chile Hi! I don't know if you guys remember my project. I have been trying to introduce cps in Chile (some that are not found at all in my country, and others that maybe I would find but at the price of possible echological damage or very hard trips to the extremes and mountains of this place of the world). The paperwork has been so hard (since Chile has very strict phitosanitary regulations due to the fact that it is isolated as an island from certain pests), that I have been trying to do this for about a year or more, and sometimes I lost hope. That's why I lost contact with the list, but I would very gladly welcome if you write to me so we can begin to write again. The species that I try to cultivate mostly from seed to minimize paperwork include Drosera, vft, Utricularia and Sarracenia, all temlate climate varieties. I also have Red Dragon vft living plant. I started using a 120 x 40 x 30 cm terrarium (length, height, depth) under controlled conditions. Here in Chile now we are in summer, temperatures in the terrarium rangeing from 20 to 35\272C. Humidity inside it is 40 to 60%. Luminosity is achieved using fluorescent tubes that add up to about 1500 lumens at the pot surface. The setup is working just about one week and I already have two Drosera seedlings, and the vft plant has its first tiny chilean fytraps developed. No pests are aparent so far. Material was obtained from Cook's Carnivorous Plants via airmail, very well packed. Thanks to all of you that shared knowledge and experience with me all this time. I am very happy to be aboard again. Note: I haven't been able to see this message in the list. That's why I am sendinf it again. Take care, ################### From: "Dave Evans" Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2000 14:00:16 -0500 Subject: Re: D. burmannii? No. Dave Evans > I would like to know if D. burmannii needs any stratification before > planting its seeds. ################### From: "Dave Evans" Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2000 13:58:59 -0500 Subject: Nepenthes taxonomy Dear Dr. Jan Schlauer and Peter (of CA Carnivore's), I have a couple questions about some Nepenthes I have. I have a copy of _Blumea_ Vol 42, No 1, BTW. I still have not gotten a good idea about the differences between _N.ventricosa_ and _N.burkei._ When I read Jebb and Cheek's revision, it states, "The present species can be distinguished by the less strongly waisted, green-blotched purple pitchers with lib as large as mouth and with 6 or 7 pairs of nerves. In _N. ventricosa_ the pitchers are more narrowly waisted, glossy yellowish white, with lids much smaller than the mouth and with only 3-4 pairs of lognitubinal vein in the leaf-blade." Could someone please explain what nerves they are refering to? Also, I don't really see much comparison in this paragraph. About the only difference made appearent was that ventricosa has much smaller lids on the pitchers. Well, I checked all three of my flowering size ventricosa/burkei plants and found that they all have three longituudinal veins in the leaf-blade. Two of them (one of which was supposedly col lected from where _N.burkei_ is found) have red pitchers and are strongly waisted. Infact the only difference I found between the three that the one with the pale pitchers tends to produce pitchers with slightly smaller lids, though all three have the same shape. On the other the red-pitchered plants the peristome tends to be a bit flatter, where as the other's peristomes are tend to be more rounded... I can only think that these are merely personal differences and that they are all N.ventricosa, but maybe I missed the "nerves." [HTML file part2 deleted by listprocessor] ################### From: "Dave Evans" Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2000 17:24:47 -0500 Subject: Nepenthes taxonomy part 2 Hi Jan and Peter, I don't how that last mail got out, I deferred it because I still had to check for typos and it was incomplete. Peter is probably wondering why I mentioned him... Anyway, I have two other Nepenthes that have me confused (well, more than two have me confused, but I'm only asked about two right now ;). Both are supposedly _N. alata._ One is called N.alata 'Boshiana Mimic' this one is glabrous. The pitchers are very ventricose in the bottom 1/3, the middle is tubular, and the top 1/3 is funnel shaped. In fact the bottom ventricose part of these pitchers meets the rest of the pitcher at quite an angle because it is so swollen. The lid is flat with two veins and there is an appendage at the base of the lid. The lid and the opening of the pitcher are very round. The second plant, also called _N. alata,_ differs from the first by having a dense covering of very short white hairs on the pitcher and tendril, the tendril insertion on the upper leaves is a bit peltate. The pitcher opening is twice as long as wide as is the lid which is bent similar to the lids of _N.clipeata_, like an dome. This plant is outlined in red and the pitchers are completely blood red, there are numerous glands on the pitchers and tendril and they are quite obvious, while the first plant has fewer and smaller glands. I really doubt these are both the same species. So I wonder where Peter got the first one as it reminds me more of the description of _N.eustachya_ in that the base is so angular and the plant is glabrous. However, on both plants the spur is simple. Also Jebb and Cheek mention a sub-peltate leaf tip for _N.eustachya_ but it's the furry plant that has this feature, not the glabrous one.... It seems the more I try to figure these plants out the more confusing it gets. I'm going to try to contact the grower I received plant two from, perhaps he can provide me the location data. Anyway, here is a link to a photo that looks almost exactly like my plant #2, (it shows the long openning of the pitcher, you guys sure this plant really belongs under _N.alata_?): http://www.hpl.hp.com/botany/public_html/cp/pictures/nepenthe/0064.htm [HTML file part2 deleted by listprocessor] ################### From: strega@split.it (Tassara) Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2000 09:41:47 +0100 Subject: Genlisea filiformis Hi list! My Genlisea filiformis is starting producing a flower stalk. As it is told to be an annual, I know one day it will die. Does anybody know if it will pass away after flowering or in the autumn, after maybe producing more flowers? Thank you and good growing! Filippo Tassara Genoa, Italy ################### From: "norman francis" Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2000 11:49:52 +0200 Subject: silicone Silicone is not the same substance as silicon Sent by Medscape Mail: FREE Portable E-mail for Professionals on the Move http://www.medscape.com ################### From: DeepDown Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2000 20:31:28 +0100 Subject: Does anyone of you live in norway, Oslo ? Anyone now where I can find cheap plants in norway. I'm looking for different kinds of plants. (I already have the ordinary species of pinguicula, nepenthes, venus) I know that near Okern, where they distribute flowers they have a whole selection of flowers. But privat persons are not allowed to enter. (could you give me a referee?) Hope you can be of help. Regards, Stig Henning ----- ################### From: "Fernando Rivadavia-Lopes" Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2000 00:18:57 -0300 Subject: San Francisco trip To all, I've just returned from a 2-week work-related trip to San Francisco. I wasn't sure if I'd have the time to meet any CPers while I was there, so I surprised a few calling them up out of the blue! Unfortunately I couldn't meet with all of them, but it was great to at least talk to people I've known through e-mail and snail mail for so many years. I spent a fantastic afternoon at California Carnivores with Peter D'Amato and Marilee as well as Barry Meyers-Rice and Beth -- none of whom I knew personally. The place is really amazing and I saw some beautiful plants. I'll definitely have to get another work trip to SF during the summer to see Peter's green house in full throttle! Not to mention drive up to Darlingtonia territory and see them in the wild..... a longtime dream! I also met up with Geof Wong and spent several hours talking with him at his lovely house. I was amazed with his beautiful CP collection (and I thought he only had a few of my Genlisea!) and clicked away numerous pictures. Thanks for the wonderful time guys, I really enjoyed it! Hope to meet more CPers next time I'm up there -- hopefully during the SF ICPS Congress (if I can make it!). Best Wishes, Fernando Rivadavia Sao Paulo, Brazil ################### From: "Fernando Rivadavia-Lopes" Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2000 00:25:16 -0300 Subject: Helis on Mt.Neblina To Ivan and all, > Last year I aquired about 100 wild collected seed of Heliamphora >which was collected by a group of CP nuts who climbed Mount Neblina. The >seed was a mix of both H. neblina and tatei. Slight mix-up here. The two species up there were H.tatei var.neblinae and a new species we're calling H.sp."Neblina". The latter was more abundant and occurred in pure populations. H.t.neblinae was only found in one small site where each clone was VERY differente from the next and we're still not sure about the degrees of hybridization with H.sp."Neblina", which grew around there as well. Or maybe it was just extremely variable -- looking more like Sarracenia sometimes (see pics on Andreas Wistuba's and my own homepage). Hell, the impression I got was that Heli taxonomy is simply impossible to solve! It's evolutionary origin appears to have been very recent. Best Wishes, Fernando Rivadavia Sao Paulo, Brazil ################### From: "Fernando Rivadavia-Lopes" Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2000 00:31:24 -0300 Subject: G.aurea Hi Richard, >Anyone with stubborn little plants of Genlisea aurea could try >submersing the pot. I tried this and the plants took off immediately. >I suspect that they may be semi-aquatic in habit (Fernando should know). Usually they grow in very boggy seepages and the rosettes are covered by a thin film of cold water. >It will be great when the full monograph comes out for this amazing >Genus, does anyone know anything about this work? Yes, it's been sacked years ago. I think it was wishful thinking on Peter Taylor's behalf. I talked to Elza Fromm-Trinta a few years ago and discovered she was retired. There I was trying to tell her what a wonderful plant G.uncinata was (she'd described this species in the early 80's based on a few small herbarium specimens -- and I'd just recently found it in the wild) and all she could talk about was her young grandaughter. A bit frustrating, to say the least! Apparently, like Taylor, she doesn't want to look back on Lentibulariaceae unfortunately... Best Wishes, Fernando Rivadavia Sao Paulo, Brazil ################### From: "Fernando Rivadavia-Lopes" Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2000 00:43:42 -0300 Subject: African Genlisea Hi again Richard, >Just wondering if anyone out there grows Africa species of >Genlisea such as G. africana, G. pallida? G. hispidula seems to be >widely cultivated but what of the other Africans. If anyone grows African Genlisea other than G.hispidula, I'd say it's the people at the Bonn Botanic Garden. When we were there for the ICPS congress, they didn't have any live ones, but were studying the herborized ones they'd collected on previous trips there. Maybe they'vereturned and brought back live ones... Anyways, African Genlisea are a huge question mark and desperately need to be studied further in their native habitats and in cultivation. Volunteers??? :) Best Wishes, Fernando Rivadavia Sao Paulo, Brazil ################### From: SCHLAUER@chemie.uni-wuerzburg.de Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2000 08:33:23 Subject: Re: Nepenthes taxonomy Dear Dave, > I still have not gotten a good idea about the differences between > _N.ventricosa_ and _N.burkei._ What you (and most other growers) have in cultivation is most probably several growth forms (impossible to classify in defined distinct taxa) of the rather widespread (both in the wild and in cultivation) _N. ventricosa_. It is very questionable if any true _N. burkei_ is in cultivation at all. The plant originally introduced seems to have disappeared. Type specimens, leaving little doubt about the features of true _N. burkei_, are extant at K, however. > Could someone please explain what nerves they are refering to? The longitudinal nerves (veins) running through the leaf-like, flattened lower part of the leaves. > Also, I don't really see much comparison in this paragraph. I hope you see a difference between 3-4 and 6-7! > About the only difference made appearent was that > ventricosa has much smaller lids on the pitchers. This is probably not a very useful difference between the species. > Well, I checked > all three of my flowering size ventricosa/burkei plants and found > that they all have three longituudinal veins in the leaf-blade. This is not very likely. I suppose your plants have at least three *pairs* of longitudinal nerves in the leaves. In this case you have a nice confirmation of the identity of your plants with _N. ventricosa_. > Two of them (one of which was supposedly collected from where > _N.burkei_ is found) Where exactly? --------------- > One is called N.alata 'Boshiana Mimic' this one is glabrous. This is straightforward _N. alata_ originally distributed by H. Weiner. It does not have anything in common with _N. boschiana_. > The second plant, also called _N. alata,_ differs from the first by > having a dense covering of very short white hairs on the pitcher > and tendril, the tendril insertion on the upper leaves is a bit > peltate. This may be either _N. alata_ or _N. eustachya_. The two are very similar (especially _N. alata_ is excessively variable) and cannot be distinguished reliably without location data. > So I wonder where Peter got the first one as it reminds me more of > the description of _N.eustachya_ Not at all! _N. eustachya_ does AFAIK *never* have an appendage on the lower lid surface. > to contact the grower I received plant two from, perhaps he can > provide me the location data. This would be quite helpful. Kind regards Jan ################### From: (Howard J. Wu L.Ac) Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2000 8:46:50 +0000 Subject: Re:Genlisea filiformis One of my new genlisea filiformis has started to bloom too. Hope this isn't so. Howard Wu, Bishop, California USA > Hi list! > > My Genlisea filiformis is starting producing a flower stalk. As it is >told to be an annual, I know one day it will die. Does anybody know if it >will pass away after flowering or in the autumn, after maybe producing >more flowers? > > Thank you and good growing! > > Filippo Tassara Genoa, Italy > > Howard J. Wu Bishop Ca. mrwu@qnet.com ################### From: Steve Clancy Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2000 10:18:44 -0800 (PST) Subject: Re: Sarracenia rosea: A new Sarracenia species Baryy, Are you talking about the journal "SIDA, contributions to botany"? If so, could you give us a more complete citation to the article? I'd like to get this via interlibrary loan, but they require as much info as possible as to author names, title, etc. Thanks, --steve Steve Clancy MLS, Science Library, Univ. of California, Irvine P.O. Box 19556, Irvine, CA 92623-9556 U.S.A. 949-824-7309 * http://sun3.lib.uci.edu/~sclancy * sclancy@uci.edu *---------------------------------------------------------------------* "Last night I played a blank tape at full blast. The mime next door went nuts." *---------------------------------------------------------------------* On Wed, 9 Feb 2000, Barry Meyers-Rice wrote: > > Hey folks, > > I saw in the latest issue of SIDA (18:4), several authors have written a > description of what they consider to be a new species of Sarracenia! > > This species, called Sarracenia rosea, will test the ranks of CPers the > world over, as some may accept it and others may not. Essentially, it is a > subpopulation of plants that, before this paper, would have been lumped > with Sarracenia purpurea subsp. purpurea. > > Two of the authors, Case & Case, are long-time workers in Sarracenia, and > their opinions should not be taken lightly... I don't have time to write > more (I'm preparing for some talks and a business trip), so go to your > library, get a copy of the paper, and make your own decisions. > > ------------------------ > Dr. Barry A. Meyers-Rice > Carnivorous Plant Newsletter > Conservation Coeditor > barry@carnivorousplants.org > http://www.carnivorousplants.org > ################### From: Steve Clancy Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2000 10:24:53 -0800 (PST) Subject: Re: D. burmannii? D. burmannii is essentially and annual that tends to die back after making seeds. If you want to keep a continuing collection, save the seed and resow it. The seed doesn't require stratification. --steve Steve Clancy MLS, Science Library, Univ. of California, Irvine P.O. Box 19556, Irvine, CA 92623-9556 U.S.A. 949-824-7309 * http://sun3.lib.uci.edu/~sclancy * sclancy@uci.edu *---------------------------------------------------------------------* "Last night I played a blank tape at full blast. The mime next door went nuts." *---------------------------------------------------------------------* On Sat, 12 Feb 2000 JScott9653@aol.com wrote: > Hello > > I would like to know if D. burmannii needs any stratification before > planting its seeds. > thanks jscott > ################### From: S.Ippenberger@t-online.de (Ippenberger) Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2000 21:49:30 +0100 Subject: Cultivation of Aldrovanda Hello all, I want to share my experience with indoor growing of Aldrovanda. Saerching the old cp-lists for information I found a very helpful message of Paul Temple dated from 02 Jan 96. I made a similar setup: 40l aquarium, 2 cm of sphagnum moss peat, 4-5cm of aquarium sand, rainwater, heater keeping temperature about 25Celsius, all put on a south faced windowsill plus a window cleaning fish (Ancistrus I think). No aerator or artificial light was used. I obtained a small piece (1cm)of Aldrovanda (Australian strain, Darwin, thank you M.!) branched into two really tiny growing points and put it into the aquarium. First I got an algae invasion of filamentous algae overgrowing the small Aldrovanda. I added boron hoping to control algae and stabilise the Aldrovanda but it didnot work on algae. (Yes, I know, it is a nutrition factor). Then I added ToruMin, a peat made blackwater-extract used in fishkeeping. And interesting I got rid of algae within two days. Now the water color is light tea brown and maintained by ToruMin addition every 3 or 4 weeks. The 2 Aldrovanda plants grew to a length of 15 and 10 cm, the bigger one branching now. Hopefully they will turn red with increasing daylight soon. I think that ToruMin together with peat is an excellent medium to control filamentous algae. Hope this helps some Aldrovanda growers! My Polish strain plants are still in the fridge and quite green! Stefan ################### From: "David J. Collier, MD" Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2000 16:24:05 -0800 Subject: Need Advice for Trip to Florida I will be spending a week in Bradenton (just south of Tampa), Florida, in mid-March. Can anyone advise on interesting carnivorous plant activities, including viewing plants in the wild and visiting nurseries? David Collier dcollier@mail.med.upenn.edu ################### From: Owen Priddle Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2000 20:58:28 -0800 (PST) Subject: Nepenthes clearance Hello all- Sorry to use the list in this way, but... I, for various reasons, am disposing of the Nepenthes in my collection. I have a nice selection of specimens; some are from TC, some are cuttings, all are fully established and most are pitchering. I am interested primarily in SELLING them. I have: N. alata v. elongata N. alata "Palawan" (copelandii?) N. ampullaria "red with gold peristome" N. bellii N. distillatoria 'rubra' N. glabratus "Palo Alto" N. gymnaphora "purple" N. lowii N. x mixta (original 1800s clone) N. northiana N. petiolata OR spec. nova "Mindanao" #1 * N. petiolata OR spec. nova "Mindanao" #2 * N. sibuyanensis N. vietchii "Lowland" N. x (vietchii x albomarginata) N. wilkei * one of these is N. petiolata, and one is a new species. I just don't know which is which. Anyways, interested parties please e-mail me privately. First come first serve. Thanks- -Owen ################### From: JWi5770869@aol.com Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2000 04:51:55 EST Subject: Address Please! Dear All, You wrote: >I, for various reasons, am disposing of the Nepenthes >in my collection. I have a nice selection of I honestly do not mind individuals selling on this listserve (and hopefully this won't re-open old wounds!) but it is irritating, to say the least, when on an international list,the seller doesn't let us know where they are from. John Wilden Southport Lancs. UK ################### From: "Joe Harden" Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2000 11:12:54 -0600 Subject: Mutant Drosera Blooms...RUN! I had a very odd occurance in my greenhouse these past few weeks. I have 4 Drosera capensis in bloom, and two of them have formed a single bloom stalk with TWO flower stalks on the end! I stuck a picture at my site for anyone interested -- http://www.carnivorous-kingdom.com/dblbloom.jpg Has anyone else ever had this happen? I'm hoping they make viable seed, a 2 for 1 deal and all. One of the other blooms, which is a single-stalk, produced almost 30 individual flowers so far, I never had that many before. I guess I just got a fertile house. ALSO....I just got a new Digital Camcorder, and it can zoom in very close to the leaves..so expect some new close-ups of dead bugs! woo hoo! I saw something at Best Buy called 'Dazzle' which can transfer full-motion video and sound to the Computer -- into Real-Video format. I'm thinking about getting the camera on a tripod and zoom in on Venus Flytraps & Sundews, and catch some footage of insects getting caught, then share the gruesome footage with all. If anyone has footage they would like to convert, e-mail me. If I could figure out stop-motion video, a video of blooms over the period of weeks would be very cool too...hmmm... Joe Harden www.carnivorous-kingdom.com [HTML file part2 deleted by listprocessor] ################### From: Todd Wuest Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2000 17:18:12 -0600 Subject: Neem someone asked if neem oil was safe for use on neps, so far it has been for me, the only problems seem to have been because of the soap its formulated with so it can be applied as a spray but the only plant that really didn't like this was n. northiana, and it recovered quickly w/ just a little bit of leaf burn. unfortuneatly its not always effective stuff in my experience and even though it is so safe that it is used as a medicine in india, the disease its primarily used to prevent is pregnancy, it affects both men and women, the neem i mean. take it easy todd wuest ################### From: "Berwick Toyota" Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2000 10:19:07 +1100 Subject: Web Site Hi everyone, Over the past couple of weeks, I have been building a web site, devoted to (you guessed it) CPs! It's still partially under construction, but have a look anyway. I appreciate any feedback. Its at www.sympac.com.au/~bampton --------------------------------------------- Paul Edwards, Bampton Park, Neerim South, Victoria. Australia. edwards@net2000.com.au --------------------------------------------- ################### From: "Paul Edwards" Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2000 12:35:43 +1100 Subject: My last e-mail Sorry, sent my previous message from my work e-mail, not private. Any replies, please send to edwards@net2000.com.au, or to bampton@sympac.com.au. Confused?, ! am to ! :-) Paul. >Hi everyone, > >Over the past couple of weeks, I have been building a web site, devoted to >(you guessed it) CPs! >It's still partially under construction, but have a look anyway. I >appreciate any feedback. >Its at www.sympac.com.au/~bampton --------------------------------------------- Paul Edwards, Bampton Park, Neerim South, Victoria. Australia. edwards@net2000.com.au --------------------------------------------- ################### From: Justin Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2000 22:20:45 -0500 Subject: subscribe please put me on the mailing list. Thanks! Justin Pile ################### From: "Diane Charette" Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2000 02:06:39 -0500 Subject: Re:Mutant Drosera Blooms...RUN! Hi, I had several times this kind of flower stalk on my D.capensis, and the seeds are very viable, as any D.capensis seeds:) So hope you'll be happy to be crowded by twice seeds as usual;) It's perhaps because the plant is happy... i don't know... but i have an orchid who do 2-3 flowers by pseudobulb when it is really happy, and only one when it is not too bad, so its perhaps the same things. Btw, i just browse on you web page, which i had never seen before, and it is really great!! i like it:) Keep growing and posting cp photo:) Take care Tom P.S. Do anyone know if it is possible to rent a digital camera? Thanx [HTML file part2 deleted by listprocessor] ################### From: "Greg Bourke" Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2000 19:00:22 EST Subject: Re: Crazy capensis I have some silly D. capensis in my collection also. I have had flower spikes which branch up to 10 times with up to maybe eighty flowers. These same plants had normal flower spikes on them last year as far as I remember. I don't know if the seed will produce plants with similar abnormalities but I have stacks of it. I also had a Cephalotus which had a 12 petaled flower this year. ################### From: bruce dudley Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2000 03:18:05 -0800 (PST) Subject: Re: replies to sellers/collectors Topic No. 1 > Dear All, > You wrote: > > >I, for various reasons, am disposing of the > Nepenthes > >in my collection. I have a nice selection of > > I honestly do not mind individuals selling on this > listserve (and hopefully > this won't re-open old wounds!) but it is > irritating, to say the least, when > on an international list,the seller doesn't let us > know where they are from. > > John Wilden > Southport > Lancs. > UK Hello John, I remember this seller/grower wanting offers to be given over his email address. Try leaving him an email and I'm sure he will give you the specifics. No need to share all of that information here. I appreciate anyone who will offer a chance to increase my collection of species I enjoy growing. So, maybe you are a little less irritated now. Bruce ################### From: "Bill & Cindy Miller" Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2000 09:26:59 -0500 Subject: papers I don't know much about this list, so I am hoping my request is appropriate. My twin 15 year old sons are involved in two different science fair projects under the mentorship of Phil Sheridan of the Meadowview Biological Research Station in Virginia. They are growing Aldrovanda indoors with some good success so far--one of them has won 1st place in his high school science fair (credit Phil!) and the other is beginning to add associate plants to the medium. His research has taken him through a 97 paper by Breckpot that refers to two others: Kaminski, R. 1987a: Studies on the ecology of Aldrovanda vesiculosa L. I. Ecological differentiation of A. vesiculosa population under the influences of chemical factors in the hapitat. Ekol. Polska 35, 559-590 and its companion paper: Kaminski R, 1987b: Studies on the ecology of aldrovanda vesiculosa L. II. Organic substances, phisycia and biotic factors and the growth and development of A. Vesiculosa, Ekol. Polska 35, 591-609. 87b seems to be the one of more direct interest. I am hoping by appealing to this list that someone out there in the plant community could send us a copy, or tell me how to find these for him. Our local library is not much help with these (to them) obscure journals. I, of course, will be happy to pay any costs involved. Thank you so much Cindy Miller for Mark and Michael Miller--budding botonists! [HTML file part2 deleted by listprocessor] ################### From: "John Green" Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2000 08:13:52 -0700 Subject: Re:Mutant Drosera Blooms...RUN! >I had a very odd occurance in my greenhouse these >past few weeks. I have 4 Drosera capensis in bloom, >and two of them have formed a single bloom stalk with >TWO flower stalks on the end! >Has anyone else ever had this happen? I'm hoping they >make viable seed, a 2 for 1 deal and all. I've seen this several times on my D. capensis. I think I've usually ended up with about 40 to 50 flowers on it. I've been told it is uncommon, but not rare, to have a double flower stalk. And yes, it will produce viable seed (lots!). John Green Salt Lake City, Utah ################### From: schlauer@chemie.uni-wuerzburg.de Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2000 16:46:50 +0000 Subject: Re: papers Dear Cindy, > Kaminski, R. 1987a: Studies on the ecology of Aldrovanda > vesiculosa L. I. Ecological differentiation of A. vesiculosa > population under the influences of chemical factors in the hapitat. > Ekol. Polska 35, 559-590 > > and its companion paper: > > Kaminski R, 1987b: Studies on the ecology of aldrovanda vesiculosa > L. II. Organic substances, phisycia and biotic factors and the > growth and development of A. Vesiculosa, Ekol. Polska 35, 591-609. > > 87b seems to be the one of more direct interest. > > I am hoping by appealing to this list that someone out there in the > plant community could send us a copy, or tell me how to find these > for him. Our local library is not much help with these (to them) > obscure journals. I can obtain both of these "obscure" papers and can send copies to you but this would take several weeks (or even a month) and cost approximately DM 2.50 (xerox, 25 double pages reduced to A4) + DM 16 (air mail 250g) = DM 18.50 (9.25 US$). Do you want me to try this it or do you need a more rapid/cheaper source? Kind regards Jan ################### From: "Andreas Krassnigg" Date: Thu, 17 Feb 2000 11:54:34 -0000 Subject: Nepenthes seedlings dear listmembers, it was my first (successful) try to germinate some N. madagascariensis seed (which were sent to me for free by a nice listmember - thank you, Jos!) last september / october. seed were sown on pure live sphagnum germinated after 4-6 weeksand the plants are growing since then in a propagation tray, 26\260 C (78\260 F) all the time, under fluorecent light 14 hours a day, using deionized water only. most of the plants are sprouting out their 4th pitcher bearing leaf, very small, palish green in colour, some slightly red below the peristome. they seemed to do well so far. but now it seems to me as if the colour is getting *too* palish green.... is this quite usual? or is it a sign to change growing conditions? anyone on with experience in bringing up Nepenthes seedlings? any helpful comment would be highly appreciated. thanks in advance Andi ################### From: bruce dudley Date: Thu, 17 Feb 2000 03:02:08 -0800 (PST) Subject: Cindy kids and aldrovanda papers Dear Cindy, > Kaminski, R. 1987a: Studies on the ecology of Aldrovanda > and its companion paper: > > Kaminski R, 1987b: Studies on the ecology of aldrovanda vesiculosa I can obtain both of these "obscure" papers and can send copies to you but this would take several weeks (or even a month) and cost approximately DM 2.50 (xerox, 25 double pages reduced to A4) + DM 16 (air mail 250g) = DM 18.50 (9.25 US$). Do you want me to try this it or do you need a more rapid/cheaper source? Kind regards Jan Hi Jan would it be feasible to scan it and send it email? I don't know if it is physically impossible, or even illegal, but it would resolve the "time" issue.... It just a hint for how I resolve getting information to people with technology -- fast and cheap. Bruce ################### From: schlauer@chemie.uni-wuerzburg.de Date: Thu, 17 Feb 2000 12:34:09 +0000 Subject: papers online Dear Bruce, > would it be feasible to scan it and send it email? I > don't know if it is physically impossible, or even > illegal, but it would resolve the "time" issue.... > It just a hint for how I resolve getting information > to people with technology -- fast and cheap. This would be feasible if the recipient was able to receive large files via email (not all people with email do have a large mailbox). Email would of course be much cheaper than snail mail. The time issue would not be affected significantly, because the journal is in a library some 150 km from here, and I will visit it at the earliest in two weeks (more probably three weeks). This is the rate limiting step. I could of course also use interlibrary loan, but the service here is so "excellent" that I would receive the copies in a month (if everything works fine). Kind regards Jan ################### From: "Joe Harden" Date: Thu, 17 Feb 2000 08:48:26 -0600 Subject: Mutant Drosera evolves! Thanks for all the replies everyone! But it seems that things got even more Loco in the Greenhouse -- The last flowerbud on the stem is putting out sticky tentacles! I have read several post here about a new plant forming on the end of a flower stalk, and now I finally get to see it. Whoopetydo! ################### From: "John Green" Date: Thu, 17 Feb 2000 08:24:45 -0700 Subject: Wet/dry preferences I'm re-doing my outdoor bog this spring and I'll be creating a lower spot near the primary water source (the bottom of the rain gutter) and a higher spot (on the other end of the bog). I've read on the Cherryhill website that different species have different preferences for wetter or drier; like S. rubras, S. minor (not Okee giant), and VFTs like it drier, and S. purpurea venosa, S. psittacina, and D. intermedia like it wetter. Can anyone help me with general preferences, as far as wet/dry/intermediate for the following: S. leucophylla S. flava S. alata S. purpurea ssp. purpurea S. oreophila D. rotundifolia D. filiformis (both subspecies) D. anglica P. vulgaris Also, please correct me if I'm wrong, but my impression for most temperate pings is that they prefer sandier soils. My idea is to plant them towards the back at the bases of some Sarrs in a bit sandier soil. That way they'll also benefit from some partial shade from the Sarrs. Thanks in advance for your advice. John Green Salt Lake City, Utah ################### From: Borneo Exotics Date: Thu, 17 Feb 2000 19:08:55 +0600 Subject: Borneo Exotics, Nepenthes etc... Hi Folks, We owe an apology to those of you that may have been checking our web site occasionally looking for an update. We've been so busy these past few months, actually producing the plants and moving our highland nursery to the new site, that we've rather neglected the web site updates. Sorry about that. Anyway, it's now updated with information about the plants we shall be releasing for sale this year. Further regular updates and new features will be coming very shortly. At last I shall have some time to sit and write more about my favourite plants! If you are a Nepenthophile, please take a look at: http://www.borneoexotics.com/ and go the the "What's New" section. Regards, Rob Cantley ################### From: (Howard J. Wu L.Ac) Date: Thu, 17 Feb 2000 8:27:30 +0000 Subject: Digital pictures > P.S. Do anyone know if it is possible to rent a digital camera? Thanx > Tom Something else you may do is when you take your regular photo film to your photo developer is to ask for a copy of your pictures on a computer disk or CD that you can use. This is inexpensive, especially compared to the cost of a new digital camera. Howard. Howard J. Wu Bishop Ca. mrwu@qnet.com ################### From: JWi5770869@aol.com Date: Thu, 17 Feb 2000 15:46:34 EST Subject: (no subject) Dear Bruce and All, >Hello John, I remember this seller/grower wanting offers to be given over his email address. Try leaving him an email and I'm sure he will give you the specifics. No need to share all of that information here. I appreciate anyone who will offer a chance to increase my collection of species I enjoy growing. So, maybe you are a little less irritated now. Bruce What's the point in emailing somebody who can't (or sometimes wont) be able to sell their plants because of phytosanitary and CITES restrictions? The other point is that my growing conditions will not be the same as such and such a member in ,say Florida.If I went on the listserve telling everybody about my infallible methods of growing Darlingtonia, I'm sure I'd get a few unnecessary emails from the listserve members who live in hot climates, asking me where I live ( as it is, if they have a world atlas they can find the rough area where I live). As far as I can recall, the listserve protocol also asks listmembers to notify where they live, because this is an International list (the point of my original posting). John Wilden Southport Lancs. UK ################### From: Paul Temple Date: Thu, 17 Feb 2000 22:09:09 +0000 Subject: Re: Sarracenia rosea Barry's comment on the "new" species reminds me of a general point. >This species, called Sarracenia rosea, will test the ranks of CPers the > world over, as some may accept it and others may not. Essentially, it is a > subpopulation of plants that, before this paper, would have been lumped > with Sarracenia purpurea subsp. purpurea. There have been a few questions over the validity of several "species" and it's not uncommon, even within our own ranks, to find that certain names are not very well accepted. But not to accept a published species name is surely contrary to the Tokyo Convention on naming standards (or the equivalent convention for cultivars). I would therefore assume that, if indeed a new species name has been validly published according to the correct and current coventions, we must (must is emphasised) accept it (ie. anyone not doing so is making a casual statement, not a scientific one). Anyone who wishes to do otherwise would be obliged to publish their own revision. This means that published lists of CP's should use the curretly valid published names irrespective of the views of the lit's publisher/author. Any published list that contains names that are not published valid AND current (where such is not made clear), would invalidate the whole list; because if a list uses one invalid name, then one can not trust that any of the other names are valid, so all must be treated as potentially invalid until proven otherwise. What I'm trying to say is that pubished names and lists of names can not represent personal opinion, they must represent the current validly published names according to international convention. So, for example, if Sarracenia rosea has indeed been published, we should now be using that name and not the name it revised (even if we disagree!). Cheers Paul ################### From: "Dave Evans" Date: Fri, 18 Feb 2000 02:32:36 -0500 Subject: Re: Nepenthes seedlings If they are not eating, then they will get paler and paler, until they die. Contrary to what some people believe, CP's do need to eat. You could fertilize them, very easily by making up a 1/4 stength (for houseplants) solution of 20:20:20, and use a tooth pick to swab up some of the sol and gently dab the small pitchers so that small droplet of fertilier sol. remain on the pitchers. Just try one or two leaves at first to see if you get any burning. You shouldn't and in a a week you should see more green. After two weeks do the same thing again, but try to get more of the pitchers. Don't get any solution on the soil. ----- Original Message ----- > after 4-6 weeksand the plants are growing since then in a propagation tray, > 26\260 C (78\260 F) all the time, > under fluorecent light 14 hours a day, using deionized water only. > most of the plants are sprouting out their 4th pitcher bearing leaf, > very small, palish green in colour, some slightly red below the peristome. > they seemed to do well so far. > but now it seems to me as if the colour is getting *too* palish green.... > is this quite usual? or is it a sign to change growing conditions? There is the possibity that the light is too bright, also. > anyone on with experience in bringing up Nepenthes seedlings? > any helpful comment would be highly appreciated. Dave Evans ################### From: Steve Hinkson Date: Fri, 18 Feb 2000 02:03:51 -0800 Subject: published, and following the rules (snip) "What I'm trying to say is that pubished(sic) names and lists of names can not represent personal opinion, they must represent the current validly published names according to international convention. " (snip) What you're saying is that everyone MUST accept whatever is published according to protocol, and that the opinions of academic paper pushers count more. I say....(edited)...Bull hockey! ################### From: "Peter.kronenberger" Date: Fri, 18 Feb 2000 12:04:48 +0100 Subject: Re: Nepenthes seedlings Dear Andreas, Don't allow your Madagascariensis seedlings to turn pale green: it's the beginning of the end. An important factor seems substrate humidity. My best growers were initially in Jiffy peat pellets (see CPdigest 2021), but are now in 3:1 peat/sand that is kept slightly humid, and certainly not wet. Jos informed me that the plant in Madagascar was growing in a sunny, sandy and relatively dry environment. Peter Kronenberger biologist, Belgium >Date: Thu, 17 Feb 2000 11:54:34 -0000 >From: "Andreas Krassnigg" >To: "CP Digest" >Subject: Nepenthes seedlings >Message-ID: <002501bf793d$c6031540$24a2bad4@telekabel.at> > >dear listmembers, > >it was my first (successful) try to germinate some N. madagascariensis seed >(which were sent to me for free by a nice listmember - thank you, Jos!) >last september / october. seed were sown on pure live sphagnum germinated >after 4-6 weeksand the plants are growing since then in a propagation tray, >26\260 C (78\260 F) all the time, >under fluorecent light 14 hours a day, using deionized water only. >most of the plants are sprouting out their 4th pitcher bearing leaf, >very small, palish green in colour, some slightly red below the peristome. >they seemed to do well so far. >but now it seems to me as if the colour is getting *too* palish green.... >is this quite usual? or is it a sign to change growing conditions? >anyone on with experience in bringing up Nepenthes seedlings? >any helpful comment would be highly appreciated. > >thanks in advance > >Andi ################### From: "C. J. Mazur" Date: Fri, 18 Feb 2000 09:19:14 -0500 Subject: NEW ICPS WEBPAGE Dear All, I just wanted to let you all know that the NEW official ICPS site is now online. As most of you many know, Dr. Barry Meyers-Rice has been created and maintained the ICPS website over the last number of years. As part of my position of VP of the ICPS, I volunteered to take over control of the page and revamp it. After many months of plugging away at it in my spare time, its finally online. As with any "new thing" it may still have some quirks. Barry and other board members, have worked very hard with me to ensure as many errors, omissions, and problems have been cleared up. If you have any news or events that you'd like listed on the ICPS page, please email your submissions to carl@carnivorousplants.org And finally, many thanks to Barry for all his work over the years. Best Regards, Carl Mazur, VP ICPS [HTML file part2 deleted by listprocessor] ################### From: "Michael Hunt" Date: Fri, 18 Feb 2000 10:46:51 -0500 Subject: Re: Nepenthes seedlings It's a very real possibility the light is too bright for the young seedlings. On many young or stressed plants (such as cuttings) excessive light will further push the plant to its limit. In a case with too much light on a tender young plant it can not absorb large amounts of light and is unable to carry on with photosynthesis and chlorophyll production ceases. The plant turns from pale green to white. Growth stops and the plant dies, or dies back. I have had this problem with N. gracilis cuttings in particular. The cut takes rapidly and produces a vigorous shoot then stops and turns white. When I caught the problem and moved the plants farther from the fluorescent tubes after recovery some regained growth. But the shoot died. ~Mike St. Petersburg Fl > From: Andreas Krassnigg > > after 4-6 weeksand the plants are growing since then in a propagation > tray, > > 26\260 C (78\260 F) all the time, > > under fluorecent light 14 hours a day, using deionized water only. > > most of the plants are sprouting out their 4th pitcher bearing leaf, > > very small, palish green in colour, some slightly red below the peristome. > > they seemed to do well so far. > > but now it seems to me as if the colour is getting *too* palish green.... > > is this quite usual? or is it a sign to change growing conditions? > > There is the possibity that the light is too bright, also. > > > anyone on with experience in bringing up Nepenthes seedlings? > > any helpful comment would be highly appreciated. > ################### From: "Andrew Marshall" Date: Fri, 18 Feb 2000 08:24:28 -0800 Subject: wet/dry planting Hi John Here are my impressions, based on years of trial and error. Hope it helps. > S. leucophylla drier > S. flava drier > S. alata intermediate to drier > S. purpurea ssp. purpurea wet to intermediate > S. oreophila dry > D. rotundifolia top dressing in all species of Sarracenia > D. filiformis (both subspecies) tracyii keep drier during hibernation > D. anglica top dressing > P. vulgaris wet, with water running through it if you can. I grow all my Sarracenia in 14 gallon sotorage tubs. The uprights(flave, leuco etc..)have holes bored in the tubs about 2 inches below the soil surface. The prostrate forms( purp, psitt etc..) the holes are bored at soil surface. I use the Drosera as top dressing so to speak in all the tubs, with vft and even the occasional temperate pinguicula in there as well. The vft and pings do best in tubs with upright S. in them. Hope this helps. > Also, please correct me if I'm wrong, but my impression for most > temperate pings is that they prefer sandier soils. Yes, at least for the N. american temperates such as planifolia and the others from the S.E. of the USA. They are adaptaboe though if allowed to be. Plant them in with the uprights except for P. primuliflora who likes it wet. I have seen these actually floating in masses. Hope this helps. let me know. Best wishes Andrew Cascade Carnivorous Plants Http://cascadecarnivorous.plant.org ################### From: "dick c tran" Date: Fri, 18 Feb 2000 09:15:00 -0800 Subject: (No Subject) Hello all nepenthophiles, I have been seeing and reading about..... N. bongso (formerly N. talangensis) N. talangensis (formerly N. bongso) Not only am I confused with this species but also the pictures that people are associating with the name(s). In the case with Borneo Exotics, the picture of N. bongso / N. talangensis, looks like red N. alata (lower pitcher). With Wistuba, it is listed as two different species. (no pictures) In the case with Malesiana Tropicals, he has N. talangensis as having globose dumpy pitchers and described as the slowest growing of all highland neps and in partly related to N. aristolochiodes. CPjungle shows N. bongso as having red pictures with wide flaring red peristomes. So, is N. talangensis and N. bongso two distinct species? There seems to be a lot of confusion with this. If I purchase N. talangensis and N. bongso from each of these nurseries, am I going to get a variety of plants that looks different but is supposed to be N. bongso (formerly N. talangensis) and/or N. talangensis (formerly N. bongso). Any input would REALLY help...... Thanks Dick Tran MailCity. Secure Email Anywhere, Anytime! http://www.mailcity.com ################### From: "dick c tran" Date: Fri, 18 Feb 2000 09:28:09 -0800 Subject: Nep. species confusion I am sending this again. Don't know if the first time work. Had email service problem. --------------------------------------------- --------------------------------------------- Hello all nepenthophiles, i have been seeing and reading about..... N. bongso (formerly N. talangensis) N. talangensis (formerly N. bongso) Not only am i confused with this species but also the pictures that people are associating with the name. In the case with Borneo Exotics, the picture of N. bongso or N. talangensis, looks like N. alata (lower pitcher). With Wistuba, it is listed as two different species. In the case with Malesiana Tropicals, he has N. talangensis as having globose dumpy pitchers and described as the slowest growing of all highland neps and in partly related to N. aristolochiodes. CPjungle shows N. bongso as having red pictures with wide flaring red peristomes. So, is N. talangensis and N. bongso two distinct species? There seems to be a lot of confusion with this. If I purchase N. talangensis and N. bongso from each of these nurseries, am I going to get a variety of plants that looks different but is supposed to be N. bongso (formerly N. talangensis) and/or N. talangensis (formerly N. bongso). Any input would REALLY help...... Thanks Dick Tran MailCity. Secure Email Anywhere, Anytime! http://www.mailcity.com ################### From: "Joe Harden" Date: Fri, 18 Feb 2000 11:40:03 -0600 Subject: Reverse Osmosis & Site Updates Hello again. I went into Sam's Wholesale Club last night to pick up some stuff...and I they had a Reverse Osmosis Unit in there for about $170, which I picked up. It's manufactured by Premier, and seems to have everything any other R.O. unit has : Sediment, Carbon, Carbon Post Filters, and R.O. Membrane. It doesn't require any electricity, which was a plus. I'm going to have it hooked up soon, and I hope it will be sufficient for my greenhouse. If anyone else wants one, go check it out (If you're in the States). Also, I have spent over 2 hours this morning cleaning up my site, and actually made a Gallery section that basically has all the pictures from my web-site in one area. If you haven't visitied in awhile, please check it out and tell me how it looks! Joe Harden www.carnivorous-kingdom.com [HTML file part2 deleted by listprocessor] ################### From: "Tran, Dick" Date: Fri, 18 Feb 2000 10:02:48 -0800 Subject: N.bongso/talangensis Correction........... Malesiana Tropicals also shows N. bongso and N. talangensis as two separate and distinct species and they have pictures of both plants. > Dick > ################### From: "Paul Edwards" Date: Sat, 19 Feb 2000 09:29:36 +1100 Subject: Now for something different Sorry, right off subject, but I need to know the Capital City of New York State. I've got a bet here a work. I say it's not New York City. Prove me right. (Sorry, we're a bit ignorant down here) --------------------------------------------- Paul Edwards, Bampton Park, Neerim South, Victoria. Australia. edwards@net2000.com.au --------------------------------------------- ################### From: dick Date: Fri, 18 Feb 2000 20:28:23 -0500 Subject: Re: Now for something different Paul Edwards wrote: > > Sorry, right off subject, but I need to know the Capital City of New York > State. I've got a bet here a work. I say it's not New York City. Prove me > right. > (Sorry, we're a bit ignorant down here) > > --------------------------------------------- > Paul Edwards, > Bampton Park, > Neerim South, Victoria. > Australia. > edwards@net2000.com.au > --------------------------------------------- Albany ################### From: "Andreas Wistuba" Date: Sat, 19 Feb 2000 07:03:57 +0100 Subject: AW: Nep. species confusion Dear Dick, Joachim Nerz and myself validly published N. talangensis in CPN in 1994 (Vol. 23 page 101). Best see our type description for details. Before this time N. talangensis was called N. bongso in error. However, the type description and type specimens of N. bongso by Korthals from 1839 refers to a population from Gunung Merapi being completely different, not even closer related, to the plants from Gunung Talang (N. talangensis). In fact, N. talangensis seems to be quite close to N. aristolochioides, while N. bongso is very close (if not identical) to N. carunculata. The whole mixup is due to a misinterpretation by Danser, mentioning specimens from Talang (clearly N. talangensis) in his monographic work under N. bongso, together with the type specimens from Korthals and some others. Hope that clarifies the whole a bit. Please see also Jan Schlauers Carnivorous Plant Database at http://www.hpl.hp.com/bot/cp_home for further details and clarifications. Here you'll also find a link to Danser. Rob Cantley's version ( "N. bongso (formerly N. talangensis)" ) is very hard to follow and must be due to a mixup or misunderstanding, since N. bongso is a very old name (1839), while N. talangensis just was established in 1994 (by J. Nerz and myself). Bye Andreas > -----Urspr\374ngliche Nachricht----- > Von: cp@opus.hpl.hp.com [mailto:cp@opus.hpl.hp.com]Im Auftrag von dick c > tran > Gesendet: Freitag, 18. Februar 2000 18:39 > An: Multiple recipients of list > Betreff: Nep. species confusion > > > I am sending this again. Don't know if the > first time work. Had email service problem. > --------------------------------------------- > --------------------------------------------- > > Hello all nepenthophiles, > > i have been seeing and reading about..... > > N. bongso (formerly N. talangensis) > N. talangensis (formerly N. bongso) > > Not only am i confused with this species but also the pictures > that people are > associating with the name. > > In the case with Borneo Exotics, the picture of N. bongso or N. > talangensis, looks like N. alata (lower pitcher). > > With Wistuba, it is listed as two different species. > > In the case with Malesiana Tropicals, he has N. talangensis as > having globose dumpy > pitchers and described as the slowest growing of all highland > neps and in partly related to > N. aristolochiodes. > > CPjungle shows N. bongso as having red pictures with wide flaring > red peristomes. > > So, is N. talangensis and N. bongso two distinct species? > There seems to be a lot of confusion with this. > > If I purchase N. talangensis and N. bongso from each of these > nurseries, am > I going to get a variety of plants that looks different but is > supposed to be > N. bongso (formerly N. talangensis) and/or N. talangensis > (formerly N. bongso). > > Any input would REALLY help...... > > Thanks > > Dick Tran > > > MailCity. Secure Email Anywhere, Anytime! > http://www.mailcity.com > ################### From: Bryan and Leslie Lorber Date: Sat, 19 Feb 2000 00:52:34 -0500 Subject: Re: Now for something different Albany is the capital of New York State. It is located about 125 miles north of New York City ("The Big Apple") and is as different from NYC as Hobart is from Sydney. Hope this helps. Bryan Charlotte, Vermont U.S.A. Paul Edwards wrote: > Sorry, right off subject, but I need to know the Capital City of New York > State. I've got a bet here a work. I say it's not New York City. Prove me > right. > (Sorry, we're a bit ignorant down here) > > --------------------------------------------- > Paul Edwards, > Bampton Park, > Neerim South, Victoria. > Australia. > edwards@net2000.com.au > --------------------------------------------- ################### From: j.dewitte@t-online.de Date: Sat, 19 Feb 2000 15:24:57 +0100 (MET) Subject: bongso / talangensis I have seen a lot of n. talangensis during he climb of Gunun gTalang. There is enough variation, with plants starting as low as 1700 m and continuing up to the summit. Comparing pictures you would be tempted to say that the higher ones are different, or maybe hybrids. Nevertheless now I think they are just variations of the same species. As far as n. bongso goes, the one and only plant I saw was on Gunung Singalang, growing in a tree on the side of the path. Pictures are available to demonstrate the difference. Jean-Pierre De Witte mailto: j.dewitte@t-online.de Time: 15:20:36 http://www.jeandewitte.de This message was sent by XFMail ---------------------------------- ################### From: TCoultiss@aol.com Date: Sat, 19 Feb 2000 10:57:24 EST Subject: Re: Wet/drier John, I can't comment on Sarras as I'm only starting to grow them outdoors this year (so I'm monitoring this topic carefully!). P vulgaris, as Andrew says, do like a trickle of running water if poss but I grow mine in pots of standard peat:sand:perlite (2:2:1) compost which are constantly watered via the tray method. I also incorporate small slate slabs (2-3 inches wide) in the pots and plant the pings as close to these as possible - this I got from observation of wild P Vulgaris in North Wales - they seem to like a cool root run. I have been growing them outdoors (in Wiltshire UK) for two years now and they are thriving well. Hope all this makes sense :) Tony Coultiss ################### From: Tim Jackson Date: Sat, 19 Feb 2000 08:41:32 -0800 Subject: Re: published, and following the rules Steve Hinkson wrote: > > I say....(edited)...Bull hockey! To which one might add: "The latest taxonomic innovation is not necessarily the most appropriate and will not necessarily gain wide acceptance." - Colin C Walker in Asklepios 72, p12 ################### From: "dan dzukola" Date: Sat, 19 Feb 2000 11:55:30 -0500 Subject: looking for Nepenthes seed Hello I have been a lurker to this list for well over a year now. I have some venus flytrap plants and some pitcher plants that I purchased from Carl Mazure, The problem is they need a dormant period. I have no plants in my living room. I have been reading the savage garden book and am interested in some neps. So I can have some carnivorous plants all year long. I live in michigan so buying live plants now is out of the question. Does anyone have some available seed, Im not fussy but I would like a smaller spiecies due to my lack of good growing space. I have recieved some good advice from all of you, Keep on writing Dan [HTML file part2 deleted by listprocessor] ################### From: "Diana Pederson" Date: Sat, 19 Feb 2000 09:42:27 PST Subject: Re: NEW ICPS WEBPAGE Please post the url for the new webpages. ################### From: "Charles Redding" Date: Sat, 19 Feb 2000 16:59:11 PST Subject: wacky capensis speaking of weird occurances with Drosera Capensis. In my greenhouse the leaves split up to four times. Has anyone had this happen? It's really weird because they seem to stop doing it if I take them out of my greenhouse. any comments? Charles in North Florida (near Gainseville) zone 9 ################### From: "C. J. Mazur" Date: Sat, 19 Feb 2000 13:08:24 -0500 Subject: Re: NEW ICPS WEBPAGE diana was asking about the URL for the new ICPS pages. Its the same as the old one www.carnivorousplants.org Best Regards, Carl Mazur VP ICPS > Please post the url for the new webpages. > > ################### From: "Dickon & Cathy Worsley" Date: Sat, 19 Feb 2000 21:51:43 -0500 Subject: N. sanguinea I have a small N. sanguinea in the green house. It is potted in Sphagnum moss. Watered with RO filtered water. The green house fluctuates from 80 during the day to 60 at night. The RH ranges from 45% to 65%. This plant is not looking good, brown leaves, deformed leader. All the other nepenthes are doing well. Any ideas what it is looking for? I thought these guys could take anything. Apparently they don't like the weather in my part of Canada! Dickon Worsley Toronto, Canada ################### From: "Harden" Date: Sat, 19 Feb 2000 21:43:37 -0600 Subject: New ICPS Site Actually, I noticed the change about 4 days ago, and was impressed. It looks very good, very professional, and I didn't find any bugs. Darn Good Job Carl! ################### From: "sundew" Date: Sun, 20 Feb 2000 20:46:35 +1100 Subject: Re.new ICPS webpages Dear Carl Just wanted to publicly congratulate you on a brilliant job that you have done with the new look ICPS webpage. I certainly reccommend that all readers here make it their next priority to drop in as such, and have a look about. A new century, and a new look that could not have been better timed. I certainly look forward to the member's pics being on line soon! Keep up the good work! Regards Nathan J. Clemens sundew@mitmania.net.au ~Sarrascene~ Seasonal Supplier of Carnivorous Plants Bowral NSW Australia Topic No. 4 To: "CP List" Subject: NEW ICPS WEBPAGE Message-ID: <000a01bf7a1b$3e1a9b60$186e59d1@ccp> Dear All, I just wanted to let you all know that the NEW official ICPS site is now online. As most of you many know, Dr. Barry Meyers-Rice has been created and maintained the ICPS website over the last number of years. As part of my position of VP of the ICPS, I volunteered to take over control of the page and revamp it. After many months of plugging away at it in my spare time, its finally online. As with any "new thing" it may still have some quirks. Barry and other board members, have worked very hard with me to ensure as many errors, omissions, and problems have been cleared up. If you have any news or events that you'd like listed on the ICPS page, please email your submissions to carl@carnivorousplants.org And finally, many thanks to Barry for all his work over the years. Best Regards, Carl Mazur, VP ICPS [HTML file part2 deleted by listprocessor] [HTML file part2 deleted by listprocessor] ################### From: Rich Ellis Date: Sun, 20 Feb 2000 06:32:12 -0700 Subject: Re: N. sanguinea On Sat, 19 Feb 2000"Dickon & Cathy Worsley" writes: > I have a small N. sanguinea in the green house. It is potted in Sphagnum > moss. Watered with RO filtered water. The green house fluctuates from 80 > during the day to 60 at night. The RH ranges from 45% to 65%. > This plant is not looking good, brown leaves, deformed leader. All the > other nepenthes are doing well. Any ideas what it is looking for? Your conditions sound reasonable and I don't think of N. sanguinea as being particularly fussy as Nepenthes go. It might prefer higher humidity. I suspect something is wrong with the roots and the lowish humidity is not helping. I would probably unpot and examine the roots. This may, unfortunately kill the plant but if you have a pest problem it would be good to know before it spreads to other plants. Rich Boulder, Colorado http://www.geocities.com/RainForest/Vines/8564/ ################### From: "chris moody" Date: Sun, 20 Feb 2000 13:45:17 GMT Subject: u.alpina's for sale hi all. it's been a long time since i last mailed this list! i've got some utricularia alpinas,(well actually quite a lot of them) for sale. they're \2434.50 plus whatever the postage comes to. as you can see it's in pounds sterling, so if you're interested please make sure you can seend me a cheque or cash in pounds sterling. thanks all. regards chris.m. ################### From: BillSherren Date: Sun, 20 Feb 2000 15:17:46 -0000 Subject: Spaghnum moss Hi Everyone, With the demise of Marston Exotics in the UK, does any UK members of this list know of another supplier of live Spaghnum moss? Thanks Bill ################### From: Dionaea@aol.com Date: Sun, 20 Feb 2000 12:20:29 EST Subject: Re: Wacky Capensis Charles, You may have the crestate form of D. capensis. Are the roots weird too? Christoph > Date: Sat, 19 Feb 2000 16:59:11 PST > From: "Charles Redding" > To: cp@opus.hpl.hp.com > Subject: wacky capensis > Message-ID: <20000220005911.17516.qmail@hotmail.com> > > > > > speaking of weird occurances with Drosera Capensis. In my greenhouse the > leaves split up to four times. Has anyone had this happen? It's really weird > > because they seem to stop doing it if I take them out of my greenhouse. > > any comments? > Charles > in North Florida > (near Gainseville) > zone 9 > > ################### From: Andrew Bate Date: Sun, 20 Feb 2000 18:16:04 +0000 Subject: Re: Spaghnum moss On Sun, 20 Feb 2000 07:54:50 -0800 (PST), you wrote: Bill, >With the demise of Marston Exotics in the UK, does any UK members of >this list know of another supplier of live Spaghnum moss? I'm not sure about the sphagnum moss situation but here is what I last heard about Marston's (following the announcement in the UK CPS Newsletter). Someone kindly emailed me the following who contacted Marstons:- "Jackie Gardner has confirmed that she is running a mail order business for CPs and seeds. She seems to have most of the Marston Exotics stock, although Marston Exotics themselves have ceased to trade and Paul Gardner is now technically an employee of Wyevale Nurseries. Her phone number is 01981-251659 (mobile 0798-0354076) and she plans to have a stall in the NCCPG tent at the Hampton Court Flower Show in July where she will be selling a range of CPs." I guess that they may still have the license or whatever to harvest the spagnum but best bet is to give Jackie a ring. I'll be needing a fair amount in the spring as well so I was wondering the same thing. Regards, Andrew -- andrew@cpuk.org.uk | A UK Specific Guide http://www.cpuk.org.uk | to Carnivorous Plant Resources ################### From: "Trent Meeks" Date: Sun, 20 Feb 2000 10:33:42 PST Subject: Re:N. sanguinea >I have a small N. sanguinea in the green house. It is potted in >Sphagnum >moss. Watered with RO filtered water. The green house fluctuates from >80 >during the day to 60 at night. The RH ranges from 45% to 65%. >This plant is not looking good, brown leaves, deformed leader. All >>the >other nepenthes are doing well. Any ideas what it is looking for? >I thought these guys could take anything. Apparently they don't like >>the >weather in my part of Canada! >Dickon Worsley >Toronto, Canada Sounds to me like the humidity fluctuations could be a problem. How long has the N. sanguinea been sitting undisturbed? If you potted the plant during the winter season, two factors are making your sanguinea unhappy: 1.short daylight hours 2. fluctuating humidity while trying to establish itself. I live in south Florida, and do not repot my Nepenthes during winter. My plants definitely slow down from Dec. thru Feb., and low humidity caused by cold fronts moving through will result in deformed new growth. The main reason I close in my lathe house in winter is not so much to protect from low temps, but to hold in the humidity. Hope these comments are helpful. Trent Meeks Pompano Beach, Florida ################### From: Doug Barrett and Laura Ratti Date: Sun, 20 Feb 2000 10:37:01 -0800 Subject: N. carunculata/talangensis I have some questions about these species too. I bought a plant in 94 labeled as N. carunculata from Gunung Talang from A. Wistuba. This plant does not look like pictures of N. talangensis that I have seen but does look somewhat like the pictures of the natural hybrid N. talangensis x inermis that appear in one of the 95 CPN issues. I have not seen any more references to N. carunculata from G. Talang but I often do see N. bongo (N. talangensis) listed from there. It appears from what I have read that N. bongso and N. carunculata are the same and N. talangensis is different. The plant that I have is also an easy grower leading me to think that it is a hybrid. The pitchers are washed out with minimal red streaking but do have the shape of N. talangensis. I have cut back the plant so I have not seen any upper pitchers. Does anyone else grow this particular clone or have any opinions? I have also often wondered what the source of these TC plants is. It seems like most if not all are from seed and some are from seed from cultivated plants while some are from seed collected from the wild. These wild collected seeds could easily have resulted from hybridization. By the way, this is not a criticism of TC plants. It is my preferred source of plants. ################### From: Andrew Gibbons Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2000 11:39:07 +1100 Subject: Re: wacky capensis Charles, I grow mine outside and a lot of my capensis have produced 'forked' leaves (split once about 1" from the tip). Mind you, here in Melbourne we've just come out of a pretty weird spring (mistimed flowering, unusual growth, etc.) so maybe your starting to get the weather we've had. My guess is it's a case of the plant trying to grow so much it forgets how to do it properly :-) Have you tried making cuttings from the split tips. Even though its probably environmentally caused there's always a slight chance of a somatic mutation. Andrew On 19 Feb 00 at 16:59, Charles Redding wrote: > > speaking of weird occurances with Drosera Capensis. In my greenhouse the > leaves split up to four times. Has anyone had this happen? It's really weird > because they seem to stop doing it if I take them out of my greenhouse. > > any comments? > Charles > in North Florida > (near Gainseville) > zone 9 > ################### From: "Jay Vannini" Date: Sun, 20 Feb 2000 18:43:49 -0600 Subject: Central American Pinguicula Greetings: I am very interested in obtaining information on Pinguicula in northern Central America and Chiapas. I have seen the odd plant here and there in Guatemala and was wondering whether anyone has collected and/or published a checklist/key for the genus for this region. Thanks in advance - Jay [HTML file part2 deleted by listprocessor] ################### From: JScott9653@aol.com Date: Sun, 20 Feb 2000 21:14:11 EST Subject: fungus on D. filiformis ? Hello I need some help with some D.filiformis. I grew the plants last summer in live sphagnum moss and they thrived very well. Then when the weather started to cool down they formed the hibernaculum. when the weather warmed up and was very unseasonable mild for zone 5 I put them in the fridge at around 35 degrees to keep them from coming out of dormancy. When the weather cooled down outside I put them in the garage where the temp was around 35-45 degrees. I then noticed a white fungus on them. Is there a safe fungicide I can use on them? I would like any help on this. thanks jscott ################### From: "Malesiana Tropicals" Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2000 17:09:43 +0800 Subject: Re: N. carunculata/talangensis Some of the confusion here may have been caused by the fact that both N. talangensis AND N. bongso (which may or may not be N. carunculata - but that is another debate altogether) both occur on G. Talang. The N. bongso plants are much more difficult to find and are seldom seen by most climbers, but they are indeed there. These two species are very different and could not bee asily confused in the wild. In fact, IMHO I would rank N. talangensis as one of the most distinctive of the otherwise often-confusing plethora of Sumatran Nepenthes, and it is perhaps due to faulty or inadequate herbarium material that this plant was ever placed with N. bongso. In any case, seed collected from G. Talang in the past has often been distributed as N. bongso (particularly before N. talangensis was published in1986), although it is most likely to have actually been N. talangensis. >I bought a plant in 94 labeled as N. carunculata from Gunung Talang >from A. Wistuba. This plant does not look like pictures of N. >talangensis that I have seen but does look somewhat >like the pictures >of the natural hybrid N. talangensis x inermis... I'm sure that Andreas (who has published N. talangensis) knows quite well from which parent stock he has obtained his seed and as I mentioned earlier it would not be easy to mistake N. bongso/carunculata for N. talangensis. Keep in mind that young plants of N. bongso/carunculata may not yet show the flared peristome which is usually characteristic of this species. Best regards, Ch'ien Lee -- Malesiana Tropicals Sdn. Bhd. 1st Floor, Lot 4909, Sect. 64 KTLD, Upland Shop House, Jln. Upland 93300 Kuching, Sarawak, Malaysia Phone: [int'l prefix]+(6082) 419-290 Fax: [int'l prefix]+(6082) 423-494 http://www.malesiana.tropicals.com.my -- Malesiana Tropicals Sdn. Bhd. 1st Floor, Lot 4909, Sect. 64 KTLD, Upland Shop House, Jln. Upland 93300 Kuching, Sarawak, Malaysia Phone: [int'l prefix]+(6082) 419-290 Fax: [int'l prefix]+(6082) 423-494 http://www.malesiana.tropicals.com.my ################### From: Stig Henning Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2000 10:57:01 +0100 Subject: I need pictures of different soil's, can you help? Does anyone have a close up pic's of different soils ? (in large photos 1600x1200 example) It doesn't matter if the pic's take several megabytes.. I need good pictures to identify, and ask people - where I can get live spagnum, peat and such. Hope you can help me! Stig Henning http://www.iu.hioslo.no/~thunes/planter ################### From: Suresh Naidu Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2000 14:43:29 +0530 Subject: garden plants ABOUT US: We, at GREENEARTH BIOTECHNOLOGIES LIMITED, are pleased to understand that you are a reputed Garden Center involved in \223Sales\224 of various varieties of plants. We also understand that you import lot of plants from commercial tissue culture labs situated world wide. We wish to introduce ourselves as a premier, hi-tech tissue culture laboratory, situated in Bangalore, South India, with a capacity of 5 million plantlets per annum. We are in the process of upgrading our lab facilities, in order to double our production. The State-of-the-art facility in our lab incorporates the use of sterile materials imported from Europe for our clean rooms and sophisticated Israeli Computer Controlled Greenhouses for hardening plants. A large portion of our production is for customers in Europe, Africa, Far East and South East Asia. Zantadeschia (calla tubers) of different clones are also being multiplied and tuberised to the extent of 5 to 10 cms diameter and exported to our customers in New Zealand. The entire lab facility is designed to produce world class products at cost effective prices. We have an R & D lab, where starter cultures are prepared, plants are freed from virus and disease, and improvements in production protocols are made. Extensive research work is also done for improving our crops for higher yields and better produce. We can also clonally micropropagate any special plants the client owns, on an exclusive basis with an assurance of the highest ethical standards. ABOUT OUR OFFER: Given below are the details of plants in net pots that are being supplied by us and their F.O.B. Indian Port prices in US $: PRICES IN US $ S.No Product Net Pots 1. Banana (Dwarf Cavendish/Robusta/Grande Naine) 0.25 2. Syngonium (Singles) (Pixie/Red/White Butterfly/Lilliput) 0.23 3. Spathiphyllum Petite (2+Clumps) 0.25 4. Gerbera (Red & Pink, Cut Flower Variety & Red Potted Variety) 0.23 5. Calla Lilly (Pink Opal/Pink persuasion/Pot of Gold/Sensation/Dominique/Mango/Black Magic & Cleopatra \226 Cut Flower variety 0.25 6. Polyscias crispum 0.25 7. Crossandra 0.28 8. Cordyline (Pink Edge & Red Edge) 0.23 9. Philodendron (Xanadu & Royal Queen) 0.25 10. Ficus (Golden King \226 Clumps) 0.25 11 Ficus (Tenaki & Robusta \226 Singles) 0.23 Advance : 25% by demand draft together with the order. Payment terms : By demand draft against our Proforma Invoice, before despatch. Delivery: : 4-6 weeks from the date of receipt of order subject to prior sale. SURESH J NAIDU GENERAL MANAGER ################### From: Philcula@webtv.net (Phil Faulisi) Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2000 05:39:57 -0800 (PST) Subject: tc plant question Greetings members. Is there anyone out there who can enlighten me on the differences between tc grown nepenthes and seed grown plants. I hear so many different opinions on the subject it's hard to get a straight answer. As far as I have always known, tc was a process of cloning by way of culturing the apical meristem hence the term "tissue". I hear from many sources that nepenthes sold as tissue cultured are actually seed grown in vitro. This really isn't true tissue culture...is it? And if it isn't, then why is it referred to in this way. I think it is all very confusing. Plants grown from seed suspended in an agar base are really just seed grown in very sterile conditions, aren't they. I have contacted many nurseries around the USA who specialize in all kinds of plants, non cp, and they have ALL said that 100% of the plants they sell as tissue cultured are indeed meristematic clones of the parent plant. They too grow plants from seed in vitro but they don't label these as tc grown. They sell them as seed grown. It's too confusing. Can anyone who really knows what is going on share some information please? Thanks very much. Phil ################### From: BillSherren Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2000 15:02:27 -0000 Subject: Spaghnum moss Hi Thanks for your comments over Marston Exotics: "Jackie Gardner has confirmed that she is running a mail order business for CPs and seeds. She seems to have most of the Marston Exotics stock, although Marston Exotics themselves have ceased to trade and Paul Gardner is now technically an employee of Wyevale Nurseries. Her phone number is 01981-251659 (mobile 0798-0354076) and she plans to have a stall in the NCCPG tent at the Hampton Court Flower Show in July where she will be selling a range of CPs." But I had phoned that number before submitting my CP question over Spaghnum moss, and got the impression from Jackie that they no longer supplying CP's.. Or moss for that matter.. I hope I am wrong. Bill ################### From: "Joe Harden" Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2000 10:07:42 -0600 Subject: Tap Water Purifier for Sale! My R.O. unit is running smoothly...for everyone that mentioned that the 'waste' water was excessive compared to the good water...you were NOT joking!!! I can install a large water garden in my greenhouse with that amount of waste water, that's for sure. Anyway, I now have a Tap Water Purifier I no longer need, and I'm willing to part with it for $25, or best offer. Here is a link to the place where I got it from, and all about it: http://www.petwhse.com/webstore/webstore.nsf/fbd771ea8d7ff4fa852567da006d3cd2/070258d09ad6d3a387256721006dd2e5?OpenDocument The current filter is half used, but I'm throwing in an un-opened filter that I never installed for it. Anyone who is interested, just email me privately. Thanks! Joe www.carnivorous-kingdom.com [HTML file part2 deleted by listprocessor] ################### From: "chris moody" Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2000 20:11:03 GMT Subject: u.alpinas for sale(again) sorry all. it has been brought to my attention that in my previous ad the price of my plants had been jumbled some how, so here's my ad again. i have 4 (four) pots of u.alpinas for sale. each pot is full of healthy, young vigorously growing plants. the price of the plants is \2434.50 (four pounds fifty pence) +(plus) whatever the cost of the postage comes to. please reply by the first of march, as afterwards i will be dividing the plants up. the offer will still stand, but there will not be as many plants in each pot. to all those people not in the united kingdom, i am willing to export the plants, but bare in mind the cost of overseas shipping, and that some places need to have a permit to receive plants, so if you're interested please don't be disappointed if i can't you sell the plants. regards chris.m. zpyder@hotmail.com ################### From: "Paul Edwards" Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2000 09:36:03 +1100 Subject: Roridula Hi all, Does any one have available some seed for Roridula? --------------------------------------------- Paul Edwards, Bampton Park, Neerim South, Victoria. Australia. edwards@net2000.com.au --------------------------------------------- ################### From: Ronnie Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2000 18:10:53 -0500 Subject: CP line drawings, clip art Does anyone have any clip art of CP? I am conducting a program and would like to make a nice flyer. Thanks in advance. Ronnie Spears 285 Haynes Creek Circle Oxford, Georgia 30054 rspears@mindspring.com 770-788-9709 770-402-5303 Cell Outreach Coordinator Georgia Department of Natural Resources Charlie Elliott Wildlife Center 543 Elliott Trail Mansfield, Georgia 30055 770-784-3059 770-784-3061 Fax Ronnie_Spears@mail.dnr.state.ga.us ################### From: Barry Meyers-Rice Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2000 16:12:26 -0800 (PST) Subject: hi... (fwd) Hey Folks, I got this charming bit of mail. Anyone able to help this fellow out? B ------------------------ Dr. Barry A. Meyers-Rice Carnivorous Plant Newsletter Conservation Coeditor barry@carnivorousplants.org http://www.carnivorousplants.org ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Dear Responsible, I'm a Officer in Turk gendarme .I have a special Interest with drosera and Pinguicula plant . Can you send these plant's seed If possible ? I'm waiting... My Name: Ozgur AKGUL My address:Rize \335l Jandarma Komutanligi Rize/TURKEY Thank you... ################### From: schlauer@chemie.uni-wuerzburg.de Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2000 10:20:47 +0000 Subject: Re: Sarracenia rosea Dear Paul and all others interested in nomenclature, The difference between valid and accepted names is a subtle one. But it is of primary