################### From: "Robert Hood" Date: Thu, 1 Jan 98 16:26:34 UT Subject: Re: Lighting I buy my cp lights at hardware stores.They usually have lights called growlights (they come with a mount and all). These are usually located in with all the other lights ( kitchen/ shop). I have also seen growlux lights at local garden stores. I have not used growlux yet ,but have heard they r good. Robert Hood ################### From: Andrew Marshall Date: Thu, 1 Jan 1998 11:10:56 -0800 (PST) Subject: Heliamphora wanted Hi folks, I am writing partly for a friend, not e-mail endowed, and also for myself. We are looking for Heliamphora going spare as either sale or trade. Any one with extra please contact me privatly with the details of what, how many, and how much/whats wanted etc.. and we can work something out. Thanks and happy new year Andrew ################### From: coro63@ihug.co.nz (Brian D Quinn) Date: Fri, 2 Jan 1998 09:19:35 +1300 (NZDT) Subject: N. lavicola seed Hi all, I have some fresh Nepenthes lavicola seed to offer to fellow CP enthusiasts. This was personally collected by myself on Gunung Telong, around 2000m altitude in the northern Sumatran province of Aceh. I am interested in setting up a trade....though there is one catch!! ;-) I am interested in swapping this seed for large volumes of fresh Sarracenia seed, preferably S. leucophylla and hybrids, S. flava and hybrids, and any other seeds that come from interesting plants e.g. Interesting flowers - petals or flower colour etc. Alternatively, I could easily be tempted with Drosera seed, particularily S. American and S. African species. If anyone is interested please email me privately to setup a trade. Brian D Quinn Waiheke Island, Auckland, New Zealand coro63@ihug.co.nz ################### From: Derek Glidden Date: Thu, 1 Jan 1998 22:55:17 -0500 (EST) Subject: Cultivars and seeds Jay Lechtman said: > BTW, I learned this the hard way, when I was young(er) and foolish (at > least moreso than I am today ... those who know me keep quiet ). I > was blithely growing D. x 'Marston Dragon' and D. x 'California Sunset' > which I had been given as seedlings (as in from seeds, that is sexually > propagated, which I've already said above is a no no.). On the advice of > others older and wiser than me, I reluctantly destroyed the plants. Errr, ummm, forgive me but I would seriously question the wisdom of those who made that recommendation unless it's flat out illegal to propagate cultivars by seed, even if you're not going to claim them as the original cultivar. (I suppose there could be a law in this nutso world, though.) This is only personal opinion, but, if I had any of the plants you mentioned, or 'Akai Ryu' or that mythical non-existent 'Nepenthes x One-in-a-million' N.aristolochioides x clipeata x bicalcarata x rajah hybrid that set seed, and those seed sprouted into plants that were aesthetically pleasing as the original plant, why shouldn't I continue to grow them, as long as I don't try to claim they're the original cultivar? (i.e. the 'Akai Ryu' becomes 'VFT all-red form'.) I can understand the wisdom of that suggestion if you were to try to resell those plants under the cultivar name, but if they're just going to sit in your personal collection, seems to me, who cares as long as they look nice? I may be way off-base; there may actually be some kind of non-cultivar-sexual-propagation law or something. If there is, someone please straighten me out before I break it and start growing some extra nice-looking plants for myself. :) -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Derek Glidden http://www.illusionary.com Illusionary.com Home of the Pagan Resource Site Web development, database, graphics and general plumbing Linux, FreeBSD, Apache, MySQL, PostgreSQL, PHP (Say No to NT!) ################### From: CMcdon0923 Date: Thu, 1 Jan 1998 22:42:32 EST Subject: Pine Needles for Increasing Acidity? I believe I read that decomposing pine needles are a good natural way to increase acidity in soil. Since the old Christmas tree came down today, I was wondering if it might be a good idea to sprinkle some needles on top of my pots before the tree is picked up? ################### From: SCHLAUER@chemie.uni-wuerzburg.de Date: Fri, 2 Jan 1998 13:15:14 Subject: Re: Aristilochia deblis Dear TheEdge, > I am looking for any published research concerning insectivorous > activity in Aristilochia deblis. If nobody on the list has access to such a > source, No such source known to me. > a confirmation of Aristilochia deblis being an insectivorous plant > and/or its flowers being as such, No confirmation possible. _Aristolochia_ (many species known and studied) traps insects by the flowers. The insects are released after anthesis/pollination. They are *NEVER* digested although some creatures may not survive their imprisonment. > or confirmation of its not being insectivorous at any stage, This is hereby confirmed (see above). Kind regards and a HNY Jan ################### From: Joe Cumbee Date: Fri, 02 Jan 1998 08:28:57 -0500 Subject: Re: Pine Needles for Increasing Acidity? Hi, I use pine needles(pine straw as we call it in the South) in every mix that I make, including nepenthes, Sarracenias are grown in nothing but pine straw(needles) with about an inch of sand sprinkled on top. I have used it in for years in in-ground bogs and children wadding pools as my containers. The reason for using pine is that it is an abundant natural resourse that is raked up in my yard. It is safe to use so don't worry it want hurt plants. Joe Cumbee CMcdon0923 wrote: > I believe I read that decomposing pine needles are a good natural way > to increase acidity in soil. Since the old Christmas tree came down > today, I was wondering if it might be a good idea to sprinkle some > needles on top of my pots before the tree is picked up? ################### From: Ide Laurent Date: Thu, 01 Jan 1998 13:41:21 +0100 Subject: Aristolochia - gemmae trouble Hi TheEdge Never heard that an Aristolochia could be insectivorous. And I don't know an insectivorous flower. All the CPs are producing traps with their leaves, sometimes the flower stem is covered with tentacles or glue, but I don't think a flower ever trapped something. Dear list, I guess you're remembering the offer for free gemmae. Though the big success, I realize that some people wouldn't imagine I'd like to know if the gemmae arrived. It could be nice that everyone who received some from me sends me a message to confirm arrival. Since the messages I got are talking about dead-arrived gemmae, I think I wouldn't do that on long distances next year (although they were correctly packed) Laurent (Happy new year to all) ################### From: Oliver T Massey CFS Date: Fri, 2 Jan 1998 09:57:45 -0500 (EST) Subject: Re: N. lavicola seed > Hi all, > > I have some fresh Nepenthes lavicola seed to offer to fellow CP enthusiasts. > This was > personally collected by myself on Gunung Telong, around 2000m altitude in the > northern Sumatran province of Aceh. I am interested in setting up a > trade....though > there is one catch!! ;-) > > I am interested in swapping this seed for large volumes of fresh Sarracenia > seed, > preferably S. leucophylla and hybrids, S. flava and hybrids, and any other > seeds that > come from interesting plants e.g. Interesting flowers - petals or flower > colour etc. > If anyone is interested please email me privately to setup a trade. > > > Brian D Quinn > Waiheke Island, > Auckland, New Zealand > coro63@ihug.co.nz > > Brian: I would be interested in a trade for your Nep seed. I have a fair bit of fresh Sarr. seed (this fall) Particularly lots of S flava, (cutthroat and red vein) and some crosses, and S lueco. I do not require 1 seed for 1 seed swap, as I have a fair amount of the Sarr seed. I would like enough Nep seed to have a reasonable shot. If you are interested, send me your complete address. Tom Massey 16404 Norwood Drive Tampa, Florida 33624 USA ################### From: "Mellard, David" Date: Fri, 2 Jan 1998 09:54:00 -0500 Subject: Re: VFT SOS PDQ >1) Please don't do it! Named cultivars should not be sexually propagated. Now Jay , you don't really mean this. Of course they should or rather could be sexually propagated. They just need a new name as you pointed out. >BTW, I learned this the hard way, when I was young(er) and foolish (at least >moreso than I am today ... those who know me keep quiet ). We have all been younger and more foolish, so move over. (Sorry, this was just too good to pass up.) >I was blithely growing D. x 'Marston Dragon' and D. x 'California Sunset' which I >had been given as seedlings (as in from seeds, that is sexually propagated, >which I've already said above is a no no.). On the advice of others older and >wiser than me, I reluctantly destroyed the plants. You purposely destroyed cp's when some of us are struggling to grow them. I just killed a D. x Marston Dragon because I didn't notice that the media dried up. You could have kept them and started a dynasty. Let's see: D. x MD L235 and D. x CS AOL.com See how easy it is . My New Year's resolution is not to tease people. I failed. Of course, since you're an officer and hence a public figure, rules and promises don't apply David ################### From: JEFFREY WELCH Date: Fri, 02 Jan 1998 10:15:11 -0500 Subject: Re: VFT SOS PDQ Hi Folks, I can only partly agree with Jay about the selfing of cultivars. I do agree that any plants that result from self pollination of a cultivar are not that cultivar. Similarly selfed hybrids are no longer that hybrid. As to whether the crosses should be made, of course they should as long as the grower doesn't try to pass them off as the original cultivar/hybrid. Fifty seedlings of Akai Ryu x self are now fifty unique plants, *not* fifty Akai Ryu. Some may have characteristics that improve upon Akai Ryu, most probably will be inferior plants. So make the cross, keep good records, and be honest about the origin of the plants. Take care! Jeff ################### From: "Mellard, David" Date: Fri, 2 Jan 1998 10:41:00 -0500 Subject: New Year's gift In my recent posting offering almost free Sarr seed for $2. the $2 charge covers everything, regardless of the number of species you request. If we end up trading, there is no charge. Of course, there was one chap who very eloquently begged to send an extra $5 and I just couldn't say no. So this means, I'll get some Vietnamese food for lunch out of this. P.S. This is not a plea for more money, just an observation about the generosity of humans. I have been quite amused by so many of you starting out with saying, "if there's any seed left." It must be reverse pyschology because it just makes me more determined to make sure that everyone with a request will get seed. I will make every effort to send the seed off this weekend so you can start your stratification. Will let you by email if it truly happens. David ################### From: "Jim & Karla (c223@rollanet.org)" Date: Fri, 2 Jan 1998 09:53:08 -0500 Subject: Sexual Reproduction of cultivars Hi, Selfing of select, superior plants that are named cultivars is one = very good way of possibly creating another superior plant. The parental = name cannot be used on the seedlings derived from this method, but the = opportunity might exist to name one of them ourselves. Orchid growers = do it all the time. Cloning of select plants is a wonderful way to = share the wealth. Selfing or sibbing is an exciting way to improve on = what mother nature has given us. Its fun to see what develops.=20 Sincerely Jim Farrelly ################### From: "Mellard, David" Date: Fri, 2 Jan 1998 11:32:00 -0500 Subject: Stratification I thought I would let everyone know how I stratify Sarracenia seed in case someone is new to stratification. The basic idea is to incarcerate the seed in a cold, wet environment for a period. I place the seed in a small, sealable container, add a few drops of rainwater, add a couple of sprigs of live sphagnum moss, and then add enough rainwater so that it looks like there's a slight excess of moisture. All this is by the touch, feel, and sight method. I like live sphagnum because it makes me feel that it might keep down microbes, it absorbs lots of water, and it increases the surface area for contact with seed. I like rainwater because I feel that it has the right pH, at least in the beginning. I like extra moisture because it makes me feel like I'm providing enough moisture to get the right biochemical reactions going. I like small containers because if makes me feel like everything in the container is in contact with everything else. Last year, I stratified for about 6 months in the refrigerator and got excellent germination. Based on what I've read this year, though, I plan to stratify for 6 weeks -- another feeling. If you don't have live sphagnum, a paper towel might do. Are you getting nauseating with this feeling stuff. My point is, this is more art than science or rather it's art based on a small knowledge of science. I'm posting this to the list in hopes that other people might share how they stratify and then you can choose what you feel will work for you. David ################### From: "Mellard, David" Date: Fri, 2 Jan 1998 11:37:00 -0500 Subject: stratification revisisted One more point on stratification. I think it was one of our friends from Oz that pointed out a few months ago that if you want to store your Sarr seed for long keeping, you should store it dry in the refrigerator. David ################### From: "Mellard, David" Date: Fri, 2 Jan 1998 12:05:00 -0500 Subject: Re: Pine Needles for Increasing Acidity? >Sarracenias are grown in nothing but pine straw(needles) with about an inch of sand >sprinkled on top. I have used it in for years in in-ground bogs and children wadding >pools as my containers. Hi Joe, I'm going to try this in a new outdoor bog so I thought I would quiz you to make sure I understand this simple concept. I'll probably run the pine straw through a mulcher, add it to the lined bog, and top it off with acid sand. It's truly that simple? How much settling takes place? No other ingredients? This just amazes me. Do you see any advantages over the standard milled sphagnum/sand mix. David ################### From: anggrek@juno.com (Tsuh Yang Chen) Date: Fri, 02 Jan 1998 12:35:49 EST Subject: plant lists first of all, many thanks for all who answered my recent inquiry. second, to jakub, i had sent this message to your e-mail address but it did not go through. here it is again: to subscribe to the orchid list, send "SUBSCRIBE ORCHIDS" message to "mailserv@scuacc.scu.edu to subscribe to the bromeliad list, send "SUBSCRIBE BROM-L FIRSTNAME LASTNAME" message to: listserv@ftpt.br to subscribe to the cacti and succulent list, send "SUBSCRIBE CACTI_ETC FIRSTNAME LASTNAME" message to: listproc@opus.hpl.hp.com also, if you are looking to trade or buy orchids, check out these two sites: www.orchidmall.com www.pollinia.com hope this helps. happy year of the tiger to all. tsuh yang chen, new york city ################### From: "Mellard, David" Date: Fri, 2 Jan 1998 14:29:00 -0500 Subject: FW: Auto-reply... [Re: RE: Sarracenia seeds] Hi Aaron, When I replied to your request for seed, I received the automatic message below, so I thought I would post a message here. Do you want me to send your seeds to the college address on your other email or to another address? David ---------- To: dam7@cdc.gov Automatic reply to: "RE: Sarracenia seeds" I am on sabbatical leave from until June 31, 1998. I'll respond to your message as soon as I can. Thank you for being patient. Aaron Ellison ################### From: "Mellard, David" Date: Fri, 2 Jan 1998 15:23:00 -0500 Subject: personal thank you Bon dia Marcelo, I don't have your email address so I'll post my thank you's here for the seed you sent me last month (or so). Several of them I do not have so it was a pleasant surprise. Now if I just knew the secret to germinating Drosophyllum's and keeping them alive. Ate logo, David ################### From: "C. J. Mazur" Date: Fri, 2 Jan 1998 21:23:16 -0500 Subject: Re: Sexual Reproduction of cultivars Okay, time for me jump in. I'm not a specialist in genetics, however, if you self a plant, like S. flava for instance, don't the seedlings of that S. flava x self have the same genetic makeup of the original plant? If this is the case wouldn't any plant selfed reproduce an exact copy of itself? I was always under the impression that if you created a nice cross you could self it to maintain its identity. If this is not the case, a red vft x a second of the same clone = a genetically new plant? Can someone straighten me out? Best Regards, Carl J. Mazur Cherryhill Carnivorous Plants Ontario Canada http://www.vaxxine.com/ccphome >Hi, > > Selfing of select, superior plants that are named cultivars is one = >very good way of possibly creating another superior plant. The parental = >name cannot be used on the seedlings derived from this method, but the = >opportunity might exist to name one of them ourselves. Orchid growers = >do it all the time. Cloning of select plants is a wonderful way to = >share the wealth. Selfing or sibbing is an exciting way to improve on = >what mother nature has given us. Its fun to see what develops.=20 > > Sincerely > > Jim Farrelly > ################### From: Joe Cumbee Date: Fri, 02 Jan 1998 21:50:47 -0500 Subject: Re: Pine Needles for Increasing Acidity? Mellard, David wrote: > >Sarracenias are grown in nothing but pine straw(needles) with about an > inch of sand >sprinkled on top. I have used it for years in > in-ground bogs and children wadding >pools as my containers. > > Hi Joe, > > I'm going to try this in a new outdoor bog so I thought I would quiz you > to make sure I understand this simple concept. > > I'll probably run the pine straw through a mulcher, add it to the lined > bog, and top it off with acid sand. It's truly that simple? How much > settling takes place? No other ingredients? This just amazes me. Do > you see any advantages over the standard milled sphagnum/sand mix. > David David and other Interested CPers,I have never shredded the pine straw (needles), but it should be ok to do so. Mulching them might make them decompose faster (I don't know if this would be good or bad). I just soak the straw (whole) in water for about a week or two, or longer if you can wait. (If I am in a hurry, I take a potato rake and pull up straw that has fallen into our pond and settled to the bottom.) Once the needles are well soaked there is very little settling. The sand on top pretty well holds the needles down. Using pine needles makes weeding an easy, very easy and almost enjoyable task. The roots of the weeds just slide right out. I think that shredding the needles might make them more compact thus holding on to weed roots tighter. One advantage over milled sphagnum is the cost, with over 100 acres of pine trees I have an inexhaustible supply of straw, and there's more just across the road. I use enough peat moss as it is with other mixes. I apologize for my first letter, I had several misspellings that my son pointed out to me. I hope this helps. Joe ################### From: MARK POGANY Date: Fri, 2 Jan 1998 23:53:10 -0500 Subject: Re: Pine Mulch Over the past two years my local source for pure pine needle (straw) mulch has evaporated. I am now using a semi-coarse grade of pine bark mulch in my CP potting mixes. The results are just as good. The last pH reading I took on some drosera and dioneae soil containing this ingredient came in around 4.5 - 5.0 . The pine bark is often sold in large bags and can be quite easy to come by at a garden center when you can't find pine needles! My CP mixes (except Nepenthes) contain 10-20% of this product. Just stir it in with the silica sand and peat! By the way, I cover all my outdoor Sarracenias with an 8" mulch of pine bark to overwinter them in the frozen tundra of Northeast Ohio. Mark Pogany Cleveland, Ohio markp@crscms.com ################### From: SCHLAUER@chemie.uni-wuerzburg.de Date: Sat, 3 Jan 1998 12:21:19 Subject: Re: Sexual Reproduction of cultivars Dear Carl, > (...) if > you self a plant, like S. flava for instance, don't the seedlings of that S. > flava x self have the same genetic makeup of the original plant? The problem is the (usually; in order to prevent impertinent comments) statistical distribution of allelic chromosomes during meiosis, i.e. the paternal (pollen) and maternal (ovule) chromosomes that make up the (nuclear) genome of the plant are not divided as unchanged sets to the gametes but *any* chromosome of an allelic pair may be grouped with those of the other pairs to form a haploid set. This results in gametes that have a mixture of paternal and maternal chromosomes. In selfing the plants, the mixed sets of pollen and ovule are combined, and the resulting embryo may either become a +/- exact copy of the parent plant or several allelic pairs may be entirely paternal or entirely maternal (relative to the parent plant). In the extreme case it is thus also possible to reconstruct diploid clones of the maternal or paternal gametes (that formed the parent plant). Therefore, usually several alleles are lost by selfing (i.e. the maternal or paternal allele is eliminated because both alleles are from the same original parent: homozygous condition). So a genetic degeneration is frequently encountered among the offspring. Because repeated selfing eliminates almost all heterozygous alleles, this strategy is utilized in breeding +/- genetically pure lines with +/- uniform properties. This enables breeders to produce hybrids with predictable characteristics. Crossing over (the exchange of +/- homologous DNA *between* two allelic chromosomes) is a mechanism to further complicate the process of sexual reproduction (i.e. to increase the variability among the offspring). Moreover, extranuclear inheritance, mutations at all levels, transposition, and other factors permanently affect the genetical makeup of most living beings. Thus, the idea of identical clones, even if produced by vegetative division, is an essentially theoretical one. Multiplicate all the trouble mentioned above by the ploidy/2. > If this is > the case wouldn't any plant selfed reproduce an exact copy of itself? This is not the case (see above), so the result is not as stated. > I was > always under the impression that if you created a nice cross you could self > it to maintain its identity. It would be better to forget this impression ASAP. > If this is not the case, a red vft x a second > of the same clone = a genetically new plant? Yes. Kind regards Jan ################### From: "quintn" Date: Sat, 3 Jan 1998 10:10:17 -0500 Subject: a VFT in Akai Ryu clothing Maybe I should have just said VFT "unknown cultivar"... Not being a "seasoned veteren" of CP's, I'm a little (young and?)inexperienced with their sexual propagation. Fear not, I don't intend to flood the CP world with incorrectly-named VFTs, I'd just like to see if i can produce some seed and successfully grow a plant from it. If it is such a "crime" to grow CPs simply to appreciate their beauty, then 99% of those on the list should destroy their collections immediately! brian ################### From: Davil Dane Date: Sat, 3 Jan 1998 10:18:57 EST Subject: Sarracenia x 'Ladies in Waiting' The December 15th (1997) issue of American Nurseryman introduces (on page 77) a new cultivar of pitcher plant. It's a multispecies hybrid developed by Rob Gardner and Larry Mellichamp and is propagated by tissue culture. The source is given as Niche Gardens in Chapel Hill. My questions are: Is there any more information about this plant? Is there a mail order source? Is there a master list of Sarracenia cultivars somewhere? I've seen lists of Sarracenia color forms which are very helpful. Thanks for your help. David Lane Dover, NH ################### From: "Sundew Sundew" Date: Sat, 03 Jan 1998 13:06:04 PST Subject: Wanted: D.petiolaris complex / Seed update Hi list, hope everyone's having a happy new year! I would like to grow plants belonging to the drosera petiolaris complex - has anyone got any plants available? dilatato-petiolaris used to thrive for me. any tips on growing falconeri or others would be much appreciated. Finally, for everyone who requested seed from me, I hope to be able to send stuff out in 1-2 weeks, depending on my schedule. Happy growing! Matt ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ################### From: Ron Lane Date: Sat, 03 Jan 1998 17:49:38 -0500 Subject: Re: Sarracenia x 'Ladies in Waiting' At 07:34 AM 1/3/98 -0800, you wrote: > The December 15th (1997) issue of American Nurseryman introduces (on page 77) >a new cultivar of pitcher plant. It's a multispecies hybrid developed by Rob >Gardner and Larry Mellichamp and is propagated by tissue culture. The source >is given as Niche Gardens in Chapel Hill. My questions are: Is there any more >information about this plant? Is there a mail order source? Is there a master >list of Sarracenia cultivars somewhere? I've seen lists of Sarracenia color >forms which are very helpful. Thanks for your help. > >David Lane >Dover, NH > <> Niche Gardens is a native plants (not exclusively) nursery. I have not received their latest catalog to see if this cultivar is included for sale. They normally carry un-named Sarracenia hybrids in their catalog so they may have added this clone. They are known for selling incredibly high quality plants. Their phone number: 919-967-0078 Ron Lane RL7329@sprynet.com Central NJ, USA ################### From: "Justin Arthur" Date: Sat, 03 Jan 1998 15:28:42 PST Subject: Re: Sarracenia x 'Ladies in Waiting' > The December 15th (1997) issue of American Nurseryman introduces (on page 77) >a new cultivar of pitcher plant. It's a multispecies hybrid developed by Rob >Gardner and Larry Mellichamp and is propagated by tissue culture. The source >is given as Niche Gardens in Chapel Hill. My questions are: Is there any more >information about this plant? Is there a mail order source? Is there a master >list of Sarracenia cultivars somewhere? I've seen lists of Sarracenia color >forms which are very helpful. Thanks for your help. > >David Lane >Dover, NH > The source of this in formation, Niche Gardens in chapel hill, is the seller of the new cultivar of pitcher plant(Ladies in Waiting). They are a mail order organization and you can reach them through the following ways: Phone= (919)-967-0078 Fax= (919)-967-4026 WWW= The plant is a bit expensive ($20.00) but I have seen it in cultivation at Niche Gardens and think that it is well worth the price. Justin T. Arthur 308 Summerfield Crossing Road Chapel Hill, NC 27514 United States Of America ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ################### From: "Haakan Murevaern" Date: Sun, 4 Jan 1998 00:59:20 +0100 Subject: Me in pitcher Hello list! I am trapped. I was was not careful when I was feeding my extra big Texas size pitcher. See it on my page. I have also updated with pictures of P.primuliflora (flower) S.rubra D.dichrosepala You can now go directly to "My Plant List" and point on a plant name to see the image of only that plant. Happy surfing Haakan Murevaern See my Carnivorous plants at http://www.algonet.se/~murevarn ################### From: Joe Cumbee Date: Sat, 03 Jan 1998 19:57:36 -0500 Subject: Re: Sarracenia x 'Ladies in Waiting' I was fortunate enough to purchase a "Ladies in Waiting" at the ICPS Convention at the Atlanta Botanical Gardens this past May. It is a very nice plant, and it held up to the South Georgia heat very well. Just to say that you own a plant that was cultivated by Rob Gardner and Larry Mellichamp is worth much more than the $20.00, I wish now I had also gotten the "Dixie Lace" also. Joe Cumbee Justin Arthur wrote: > > The December 15th (1997) issue of American Nurseryman introduces (on > page 77) > >a new cultivar of pitcher plant. It's a multispecies hybrid developed > by Rob > >Gardner and Larry Mellichamp and is propagated by tissue culture. The > source > >is given as Niche Gardens in Chapel Hill. My questions are: Is there > any more > >information about this plant? Is there a mail order source? Is there a > master > >list of Sarracenia cultivars somewhere? I've seen lists of Sarracenia > color > >forms which are very helpful. Thanks for your help. > > > >David Lane > >Dover, NH > > > > The source of this in formation, Niche Gardens in chapel hill, is the > seller of the new cultivar of pitcher plant(Ladies in Waiting). They are > a mail order organization and you can reach them through the following > ways: > Phone= (919)-967-0078 > Fax= (919)-967-4026 > WWW= > > The plant is a bit expensive ($20.00) but I have seen it in cultivation > at Niche Gardens and think that it is well worth the price. > > Justin T. Arthur > > 308 Summerfield Crossing Road > Chapel Hill, NC 27514 > United States Of America > > ______________________________________________________ > Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ################### From: ricell@juno.com Date: Sat, 3 Jan 1998 18:07:09 -0700 Subject: Re: Pine Needles for Increasing Acidity? CMcdon0923 writes: >I believe I read that decomposing pine needles are a good >natural way to increase acidity in soil. Since the old Christmas >tree came down today, I was wondering if it might be a good idea >to sprinkle some needles on top of my pots before the tree is >picked up? I can't comment on whether decomposing pine needles will increase acidity in soil, however, I would caution that Christmas trees are often treated with various things such as dyes, flame retardants and preservatives and I suspect these things could be potentially toxic to CP. Richard Ellis "ricell@juno.com" Boulder, CO ################### From: jaldr@onramp.net (James Aldridge) Date: Sun, 04 Jan 1998 03:13:49 GMT Subject: Nepenthes x Coccinea Someone recently gave me a large N. x Coccinea in a hanging basket. It = has sphagnum moss of the top, but I haven't looked deeper. My greenhouse is = still a month or so away from completion. Does anyone have "home" cultural = suggestions? Thanks. Jim James Aldridge - Fort Worth, Texas, USA jaldr@onramp.net or jaldr@fwcds.pvt.tenet.edu http://rampages.onramp.net/~jaldr ################### From: "Thomas W.Hanley" Date: Sat, 03 Jan 1998 21:26:42 -0600 Subject: Re: acid sand After all the discussions about using pine needles and acidic sand, I have one question. What is a good source of acidic sand if you must rely on commercial sources? Being in Dallas, Tx, the closest pine woods are about 100 miles or so. Besides you cant always take samples without permission Any ideas? Thanks Tom Hanley ################### From: "Edward Read" Date: Sat, 3 Jan 1998 19:47:53 -0800 Subject: small ping from Oaxaca Hello All, There is a pinguicula that grows in Oaxaca, is self fertile, and grows only as big as your thumb nail. If you know what this plant is named, please tell me. I'll be in Oaxaca again. If you know locations of pings in this state I would like to talk with you. Thank you again to all who have helped me. Happy New Year, Edward Read ay080@lafn.org http://www.geocities.com/rainforest/9848/ ################### From: KILSMOOTH Date: Sun, 4 Jan 1998 04:09:55 EST Subject: Making water acidic. Hello all! Hope everyones year is off to a good start....I've used these three methods of "acidizing" my cp water.First,I can definitely go along with Pine needles,because i've constantly seen S. minor in the wild ,growing in solid,soaked mats of the stuff and quite large also! Secondly,i've used it for years to prepare and maintain the acidity in my aquatic Utric. tanks....Sometimes, i even use it on my Sarrs right before they break dormancy to enhance their coloration a little{ especially rich colored forms such as S. flava"red" varieties}. I've never used it on my Drosera though, but some peat tea in the water trays works quite well and seems to keep "slime " levels down a bit.Yes,i am a "peat tea fan",and think it's great. But lately i've been using Spaghnum moss tea,derived from boiling live spaghnum instead of peat. Same great effect,only clearer and purer in my belief,but hey,it's all good stuff!! :) Remember, keep them Neps warm!!! :) Brian in Fl. ################### From: Steve Barnier Date: Sun, 4 Jan 1998 20:30:41 +1100 XSubject: Making water acidic. Hi There, I have just found messages page and I am interested in details for building a bog garden, and much more. Please direct me to locating this info. Regards, Steve Barnier.... ################### From: Dionaea Date: Sun, 4 Jan 1998 11:02:52 EST Subject: N. campanulata Lamb and Phillips and others have stated that this specie might be extingt, due to forrest fires in its former habitat. Does anyone know if this specie was ever brought into cultivation? Would this plant have been considered a lowland plant? Does anyone have any more information about this specie that is not included in the Lamb and Philipps book? Christoph ################### From: Borneo Exotics Date: Sun, 04 Jan 1998 22:39:50 +0500 Subject: Nepenthes challenge! Hello Everyone, The nepenthes website www.borneoexotics.com has been updated with new photos and other items. You can view details of the updates on the What's New page. A challenge to all you experienced Nepenthes fans. The species N. sp. #1 featured on the site is a highland species and was found in Mindanao, Philippines. Can anyone identify it? If so please let us know at borneo@lanka.net Also, even better, if anyone has it in cultivation we'd be delighted to know. It may not be the most spectacular species in the genus, but it's facing imminent extinction. Happy New Year! Robert Cantley ################### From: Bassnik Date: Sun, 4 Jan 1998 12:02:15 EST Subject: Greetings everybody Hello, my name is Sam. It is quite a pleasure to have found this interesting system you are all using. Not am I only new to this system, however, I am new to carnivorus plants as a whole. They are a big interest of mine and I am VERY anxious to get started. I have mentioned that I am a beginner so I am already asking questions. If anyone has got some time, please respond. My first questions(I hope this is not too embarassing) is where is the best place for me to find seeds for a good plant for starters. I see advertisements for getting them through the mail but is that a good and safe idea? Since I am already bothering everyone with questions(and illustrating my ignorance of CP) i might as well continue. For a report of mine if any one can give me a website of something of detailed information on the soil and light conditions needed for a health venus fly trap please help me out. I would just like to thank anyone who got this far in my message and everyone as a whole for including me in the mailing system. Thank You Sam ################### From: "Justin Arthur" Date: Sun, 04 Jan 1998 13:32:59 PST Subject: Re: Greetings everybody >Since I am already bothering everyone with questions(and illustrating my >ignorance of CP) i might as well continue. For a report of mine if any one >can give me a website of something of detailed information on the soil and >light conditions needed for a health venus fly trap please help me out. > >I would just like to thank anyone who got this far in my message and everyone >as a whole for including me in the mailing system. Thank You > >Sam > Sam, you should check out the growing a Venus Flytrap section of the Carnivorous Plant FAQ Justin T. Arthur 308 Summerfield Crossing Road Chapel Hill, NC 27514 United States Of America ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ################### From: zzpSsX72C@worktow1est.com Date: 01 Jan 98 11:57:47 PM Subject: Give Your Child "One of the Best Children's Videos"" The holidays are upon us. If you're like a lot of people, you struggle to find gifts for your children that will entertain and amuse them at the same time. Well, here's a gift that will delight your child - A Is For Airplane! "A Is For Airplane" is the award-winning educational video that shows kids all the fun and teamwork involved in running an airline. "A Is For Airplane" gets viewers behind the scenes at the airport! Kids get to see: * The ticket counter! * Inside the baggage system! * On the ramp with the baggage loaders and fuelers! * In the catering kitchens! * Inside the control tower! * In the hangar with the mechanics! * At the boarding gate! * And even in the COCKPIT of a real Boeing 757! Parenting Magazine calls "A Is For Airplane" "One of the Best Videos of 1996!" It's also Approved by the Parent's Choice Foundation! Thousands of copies of "A Is For Airplane" have been sold for $14.95, but as an Internet Special this holiday season you can get "A Is For Airplane" for only $11.95 (plus shipping and handling.) ORDER TODAY FOR GUARANTEED HOLIDAY DELIVERY! You can order "A Is For Airplane" by calling our toll-free number - 800-250-4210. If you'd like more information, visit our Website at www.ppmm.com/jfp/jfp1297.htm or CLICK HERE! Thank you for your time... Johnson Family Productions Madison, WI ################### From: Gill Robinson Date: Sun, 4 Jan 1998 22:16:59 GMT Subject: Cultivation I have just joined this mailing list, and am interested in finding out the most suitable species for cultivating in the UK. ################### From: Alexander and Annick Salomon Date: Sun, 04 Jan 1998 18:57:23 -0500 Subject: Re: Sexual Reproduction of Cultivars Carl Mazur Wrote: >Okay, time for me jump in. I'm not a specialist in genetics, however, if >you self a plant, like S. flava for instance, don't the seedlings of that S. >flava x self have the same genetic makeup of the original plant? If this is >the case wouldn't any plant selfed reproduce an exact copy of itself? I was >always under the impression that if you created a nice cross you could self >it to maintain its identity. If this is not the case, a red vft x a second >of the same clone = a genetically new plant? Can someone straighten me out? When discussing genetics one refers to the phenotype and the genotype. The first is the expression of a certain pair of genes; the second is the actual pair. Since we have dominant and recessive genes, the expression of a dominant gene does not tell us which pair of genes (two dominants or dominant/recessive) an offspring contains. I do not know whether the red gene is dominant or recessive(probably recessive)but lets say it is dominant and call it R. Lets say green is recessive and call it little r. If we cross a red vft by itself and it is actually a heterozygote Rr we get the following offspring RR 25% red rr 25% green Rr 50% red and this is only for one trait. There are many chromosomes with numerous traits and infinite combinations are still possible by selfing a plant. Even if you cross a homozygous recessive by itself, you are only ensuring the expression of one particular gene. The ONLY way to get an exact genetically identical plant of a cultivar is by asexual reproduction i.e. cuttings, or tissue culture. Therefore a selfing of Aku ryu would be expressed as D.musc. "Aku Ryu"x self. No sexuall produced offspring can be called by the cultivar name. -Alexander E. Salomon, M.D. ################### From: Chris Marsden Date: Sun, 4 Jan 1998 19:01:41 -0500 Subject: Re: Greetings everybody Sam, > I have mentioned that I am a beginner so I am already asking questions.= = If > anyone has got some time, please respond. My first questions(I hope th= is is > not too embarassing) Not embarrasing at all. We were _all_ beginners once. > is where is the best place for me to find seeds for a > good plant for starters. I see advertisements for getting them through= the > mail but is that a good and safe idea? Where to buy plants depends on your area... On the list there are people from over 20 countries, so you need to tell everybody where you live (Whi= ch country and which state/county). If you're in the US some people on the list may be able to supply plants. Getting them through the mail (OK.... so you're in the USA) is about the only way to do it unless you have a good nursery near you. As for safenes= s, I presume you mean for the plants. Sending plants between the US and othe= r countries is illegal without all the paperwork, but within the US to some= extent it is OK and providing you order from a good nursery (others on th= e list can help you with that) the plants should be alright. > Since I am already bothering everyone with questions(and illustrating m= y > ignorance of CP) i might as well continue. For a report of mine if any= one > can give me a website of something of detailed information on the soil and > light conditions needed for a health venus fly trap please help me out.= Try the listserver CP web page... I can't remember the address offhand, b= ut it is in the welcome file you were sent when you joined the list. Kindest Regards, Toby -------------------- Toby Marsden -------------------------------------------------------------------------= -- ------- Orleton Manor, Orleton, LUDLOW, Salop, SY8 4HR, England -------------------------------------------------------------------------= -- ------- = ################### From: mark.fisher@tpwd.state.tx.us Date: Sun, 04 Jan 98 18:53:16 cst Subject: Never say die Last summer, my D. capensis put out increasingly smaller and fewer leaves until eventually, there was nothing left above the soil line. I assume this was a response to the summer heat here in central Texas. I feared it had died, but I kept watering it anyway. Today, I noticed a new D. capensis sprouting where the old one had been. I know this has been discussed several times before on this list, but I want to reinforce--never give up on a "dead" cp, as it may not be! Regards, Mark ################### From: bergrd@valunet.com (Richard T. Berg) Date: Mon, 05 Jan 1998 04:02:14 GMT Subject: Greetings CP People! Greetings! I have just joined on to the mailing list and wanted to poke in and say 'Howdy' before I get to be a REAL pain! =3D) Actually I'm just starting a new adventure with CP's. I'm an avid gardener either indoor or outdoor and range in many different aspects of gardening including: Bonsai, Tropicals, Orchids, and now CP's! I recently picked up what I thought were 2 VFT's from a respectable = local nursery and came home searching for tid-bit's on the net concerning this wonderful family of plants... Needless to say I knew basically nothing about them other than a general gardening background would have clued me = in on, but was amazed to see such a wealth of information once again for a = new hobby I've been dying to invest time in for awhile now...=20 Kudos to all those with the descriptive web pages which include: The Carnivorous Plant FAQ page (EXCELLENT!) Cook's Carnivores Neal's Carnivorous Plants etc... etc... etc... The list would be huge if I were to mention them all and I've now in = just 2 days have brought my CP bookmarks to over 25+! Well, it's getting late and I had just finished up my NEW terrarium = with now 6 Dionaea's (Multiple Rhizomes From One Plant) enjoying their new = home in a 5 1/2 gallon aquarium with long fibre Sphagnum and some nice tepid water... I hope everything goes fine as this is my first attempt at this family of plants and waiting to enjoy the information contained herein = the listserv...=20 Thanks again to all who have provided such a service of information and= I hope to someday add to that list! Good Eve! ... Richard Berg =BF?=BF?=BF?=BF?=BF?=BF?=BF?=BF?=BF?=BF?=BF?=BF?=BF?=BF?=BF?=BF?=BF?=BF?=BF= ?=BF?=BF?=BF?=BF?=BF?=BF?=BF?=BF Richard Berg "Two things are infinite: the universe and human=20 stupidity; and I'm not sure about the the universe" -- Albert Einstein =BF?=BF?=BF?=BF?=BF?=BF?=BF?=BF?=BF?=BF?=BF?=BF?=BF?=BF?=BF?=BF?=BF?=BF?=BF= ?=BF?=BF?=BF?=BF?=BF?=BF?=BF?=BF =20 ################### From: Mike V Date: Sun, 04 Jan 1998 21:23:57 +0000 Subject: too much light for Helis? Is there such a thing as too much light for Helis? I have mine about six inches under six fluorescent bulbs, three of which are very powerful. More specifically, I was wondering if too much light might inhibit their development, as only one out of eight juvenile plants I have has produced adult pitchers. All of the varieties that I grow are doing well, but seem to get much redder than photos I have seen of the same plants, and new plants tend to burn rather badly before adapting. I know that they are otherwise happy, since they have all grown very well, divided, and even flowered, but I would really like to know if reducing their light would help the young ones. Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated. -Jonathan ################### From: MARK POGANY Date: Mon, 5 Jan 1998 00:59:04 -0500 Subject: Spam rebuttal Junk email in CP digest 1317: The holidays are upon us. If you're like a lot of people, you struggle to find gifts for your children that will entertain and amuse them at the same time. Well, here's a gift that will delight your child - A Is For Airplane! A also stands for "absorption". Here's hoping all the spammers in 1998 get fed to a REALLY large N. rajah. Both the plant and all of us on the list will be better off! Absorbing a good cup o' coffee, Mark Pogany Cleveland, Ohio ################### From: MARK POGANY Date: Mon, 5 Jan 1998 01:18:01 -0500 Subject: N. coccinea cultivation In CP digest 1317 James Aldridge wrote: Someone recently gave me a large N. x Coccinea in a hanging basket. It = has sphagnum moss of the top, but I haven't looked deeper. My greenhouse is = still a month or so away from completion. Does anyone have "home" cultural = suggestions? Thanks. Jim N. coccinea is an old Victorian hybrid popular in glasshouses around the turn of the century. Its rafflesiana x ampullaria crossed with mirabilis. This plant is from lowland parentage and enjoys higher temps. I keep mine inside a 50 gallon tank under twin tube flourescents with a 14 hour photoperiod. Make sure your potting mixture is open and acidic. Growing temperatures within a range of 65-85f work best for this plant. Much success, Mark Pogany Cleveland, Ohio markp@crscms.com ################### From: dmjoel@netvision.net.il (Daniel M. Joel) Date: Mon, 5 Jan 1998 08:43:54 +0200 (IST) Subject: gemmae Hi Laurent Just to let you know that during the last few days many of the gemmae that you sent me are forming their tiny first leaves. They look great, and this is a wonderful opportunity to thank you again for the gemmae. BTW, they were on their way from Belgium to Israel for a couple of weeks, due to a long general strike in Israel that blocked all mail, but they survived thanks to the excellent packing method. Happy 1998! Danny ________________________________________________________ Dr. Daniel M. Joel Carnivorous Plant Society of Israel Newe-Ya'ar Research Center P.O. Box 1021 RAMAT-YISHAY 30095, Israel. ________________________________________________________ Email: dmjoel@netvision.net.il fax. +972 4 983 6936 tel. +972 4 953 9529 ________________________________________________________ ################### From: "Andreas Wistuba" Date: Mon, 5 Jan 1998 07:39:45 +0000 Subject: Nepenthes Dear CPers, I just want to let you know that the homepage of THE NEPENTHES NURSERY is now updated with the 1998-pricelist and contains two very interesting special offers for Nepenthes rajah and Nepenthes lowii. You can find the page at http://www.wistuba.com Bye, Andreas THE NEPENTHES NURSERY http://www.wistuba.com Mudauer Ring 227; 68259 Mannheim; Germany Fax: +49 621 7152028 nepenthes@wistuba.com ################### From: "Gilles LARDY" Date: Mon, 5 Jan 1998 16:37:39 +0800 Subject: N. clipeata question Hi everybody, I have put on my heater last week, and notice that my clipeata is growing faster (around 27 deg C). I thought this was a highland species, but recently R. Cantley put it in the lowland section of his excellent website. Any comment and experience appreciated... ################### From: Derek Glidden Date: Mon, 5 Jan 1998 03:13:16 -0500 (EST) Subject: New and Improved! With TWICE the Vitamin E and THREE Times the Super-Cleaning Action as before! NOW, with DOUBLE filling and extra sprinkles on top! PLUS an exclusive set of steak knives and a custom luggage set! Ok, not really, but it is new and improved. I have been re-scanning the pictures I have on my website and scanning in tons more that I didn't have up before. The "Great California Darlingtonia Expedition" area now has about three times the content as it had before. I've also been to a bog in Orlando with my camera and will be posting pictures from that sometime this week and also some film I got back of my own plants. So, go to http://www.illusionary.com/~dglidden/cp/ and take a look if you like. As before, comments and suggestions are greatly appreciated. Semi-off-topic: Why this sudden urge to update my website? I just bought the HP PhotoSmart photo scanner. It's a WAY cool scanner that supports direct scanning of 35mm negatives. If you like to scan your photos, CP or otherwise, take a serious look at this scanner. For anyone interested, I've put up some more details of my personal experience so far at: http://www.illusionary.com/~dglidden/scanner.html -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Derek Glidden http://www.illusionary.com Illusionary.com Home of the Pagan Resource Site Web development, database, graphics and general plumbing Linux, FreeBSD, Apache, MySQL, PostgreSQL, PHP (Say No to NT!) ################### From: M & M Date: Mon, 5 Jan 1998 23:00:16 +10 Subject: Book & Aquatic Ultirc. Hi, I have some aquatic Utricularia Australis and was wondering whether anyone had ever put som shrimp brine (sea monkeys) into the aquarium as a food substitute for the plants, and although I realise they probably don't need substitute food , whether anyone knows how they would respond to this. I haven't had much luck with the plant to date (for the last month it has been dying from the end back to the front. Although the front has been growing the dying end has almost met the growing front. From reading other recent posts I might try some pine needles in the water, none of the books seem to mention water PH, but as some have had success with this I though I might give it a go. Any other suggesstions? Also, I am looking for the Nephenthes of Borneo Book in Australia, would anyone know of any retailers here who might stock it? I have found it in the states but thought it would probably be faster to get it from somewhere here ofr direct from the publisher (I have also seen posts on doing c/c transactions with the publisher, but couldn't find and direct fax no. e-mail etc.... any help appreciated .) Thanks & regards. Mark - OZ. ################### From: "Mellard, David" Date: Mon, 5 Jan 1998 08:38:00 -0500 Subject: Re: Sexual Reproduction of cultivars Hi Carl, >Okay, time for me to jump in. Oh, boy, this ought to be fun..... >...... like S. flava for instance, don't the seedlings of that S. >flava x self have the same genetic makeup of the original plant? If this is >the case wouldn't any plant selfed reproduce an exact copy of itself? I was >always under the impression that if you created a nice cross you could self >it to maintain its identity. If this is not the case, a red vft x a second >of the same clone = a genetically new plant? Can someone straighten me out? This should be interesting. I'll be digging deep into the past to all those microbiology and genetic courses and will probably give you more details than you care to know. Most people are familiar with the idea of X chromosomes and Y chromosomes that determine sex in mammals, with XX being females and XY being males. ((FYI, it's the opposite in birds; XX are males and XY are females if you're a bird.)) Normal cells in the body are diploid, having two sets of each chromosome while the sex cells (gametes) have undergone a reductive division so that they have only 1 set of each chromosome. For instance, if diploid cells have 46 chromosomes, then haploid cells will have only 23 chromosomes. When gametes (in mammals its the sperm and the egg) get together, each with 23 chromosomes, the resulting diploid fertilized egg is now back to the orgininal 46. The same thing happens in plants (I hope). But nature has added a fail safe system to increase diversity. Think of an X chromosome as a ladder that has been twisted at both ends. This is the double helix you've heard about. The X chromosome, though, is actually two twisted ladders that are joined together for a short space (technically called the centromere.) Now go back to that one twisted ladder and lets look at the genetics that there. The ladder is actually several miles long and each rung on the ladder is a base pair (thymine, cytidine, adenine, and guanine -- I'm really digging deep now.) It takes hundred or thousands of rungs (base pairs) to make up a genetic trait. A single sex chromosome can have hundred or thousands of genetic traits encoded along the length of the ladder. Now the other ladder (the other sex chromosome) is in one sense the same as the first ladder. By this I mean that along the length of the ladder it will encode for the same set of genetic traits at the same locations along the ladder. Now here is where genetic diversity comes in. I'll use birds as an example because the genetics are simple and familiar for me. We have two chromosomes and the trait we're looking at is feather color. A normal bird will have two chromosome and the same two genes that encode for feather color (normal) will lead to gray feathers. Another bird will have the color cinnamon for its feathers. For this to happen, each of the two chromosomes now has a mutation in each chromosome that causes the cinnamon color to occur. But we can also have another bird that is gray but is split for cinnamon. The two chromosome are now slightly different. One chromosome has the gene for the normal trait and the other chromosome has the gene for the cinnamon color. The normal gene is capable of producing the biochemical reactions that allow for normal gray coloration. The normal gene is dominant and the cinnamon gene is recessive. How did this happen. It happened when the diploid sex cells divided and separated those two chromosome, one going to 1 gamete, the other going to the other gamete. In the case of the normal cockatiel split to cinnamon, one gamete had the gene normal the normal gray trait and the other gamete that it combined with contained the gene for the cinnamon trait. So what does this have to do with whether or not a selfing can produce the same plant. A chromosome has hundred of traits on it and its companion chromosome has the same or slightly different set of the "same traits." When the two companion chromosomes along with other chromosomes in the diploid cell separate into gamete cells, it's like shuffling two decks of cards and dividing them half. Each time you do it, you get a different set of cards. Plants have hundreds or even millions of diploid cells that have separated to form haploid gametes (pollen and ovary -- right terms here?) and when the pollen and ovary combine to form seeds, the genetic diversity can be immense, even when it's a selfing because there's two sets of the same chromosome to begin with. What's likely to happen when you self a plant is that you will get a lot of plants that are phenotypically like the parent plant and a smaller portion of plants that are phenotypically different. We won't talk about genotypic diversity. Plants can be phenotypically similar but genotically different, again because of all the shuffling that goes on in traits (for instance, biochemical reactions, enzyme production) that we can't see by looking at the plant. If you got lost in the above (and sometimes I wonder if I got lost), think of it as each plant has two genes for every trait. Those genes can be the same or the genes can be slightly different. When sex cells are formed, the genes separate into pollen and ovary; when the pollen and ovary unite,the resulting two traits may end up in different seeds and the plant from that seed may be similar or different from the parent plant. We won't get into the idea that several genes may be require for a single trait. That would be like shuffling 5 decks of cards together and then dividing them into several piles. An example for several genes is probably color variation in plants but I'll let a botanist confirm that notion. Hope this was clear, David Best Regards, Carl J. Mazur Cherryhill Carnivorous Plants Ontario Canada http://www.vaxxine.com/ccphome >Hi, > > Selfing of select, superior plants that are named cultivars is one = >very good way of possibly creating another superior plant. The parental = >name cannot be used on the seedlings derived from this method, but the = >opportunity might exist to name one of them ourselves. Orchid growers = >do it all the time. Cloning of select plants is a wonderful way to = >share the wealth. Selfing or sibbing is an exciting way to improve on = >what mother nature has given us. Its fun to see what develops.=20 > > Sincerely > > Jim Farrelly > ################### From: "Jens Rotthauwe" Date: Mon, 5 Jan 1998 15:43:10 +0100 Subject: A is for ... >You can order "A Is For Airplane" by calling our toll-free number - >800-250-4210. And I always thought "A" was for Aldrovanda ... 8-) Kind regards Jens ################### From: Leigh.Perkins@sset.com Date: Mon, 5 Jan 1998 15:06:57 -0800 Subject: British CPS Journal To other British CPS members Sorry to post this here, but can anyone else tell me if they have received their December CPS letter and the 1997 Journal as yet, or am I just being very impatient. Please mail me direct to save the bandwidth. Happy growing for '98! Leigh ################### From: Randall Palmer Date: Mon, 5 Jan 1998 13:11:33 -0500 (EST) Subject: Re: Acidit sand Acidit sand, Play Ground sand. Venus doesn't like sand. Go easy with your acid additions at first until you're happy with your results. Most Utrics like at least partial sand. With most Pitcher Plants, liking mostly Canadian peat, (anybody out there able to grow S. Minor, I don't know the procedure),high or low PH. Randy Palmer sfdzeqe0@scfn.thpl.lib.fl.us ################### From: Craig S Gardner Date: Mon, 05 Jan 1998 10:26:22 -0800 Subject: FCC internet charges I thought the following would be of interest to any one in the USA. >Subject: Internet, FCC > >I am writing you this to inform you of a very important matter currently >under review by the FCC. Your local telephone company has filed a >proposal with the FCC to impose per minute charges for your internet >service. They contend that your usage has or will hinder the operation >of the telephone network. >It is my belief that internet usage will diminish if users were required >to pay additional per minute charges. The FCC has created an email box >for your comments, responses must be received by February 13, 1998. >Send your comments to isp@fcc.gov and tell them what you think. >Every phone company is in on this one, and they are trying to sneak it >in just under the wire for litiagation. Let everyone you know here about this >one. Get the e-mail address to everyone you can think of. > > > >Jack C. Thompson >Thompson Conservation Lab >7549 N. Fenwick >Portland, Oregon 97217 > >503/735-3942 (voice/fax) > >www.teleport.com/~tcl -- Happy Growing Craig S. Gardner 173 Perry St. Ukiah, Ca. 95482 USA (707)462-5331 (707)468-1175 ################### From: "Michael.Chamberland" <23274MJC@MSU.EDU> Date: Mon, 05 Jan 98 13:39 EST Subject: Re: Sexual Reproduction of Cultivars > From: Alexander and Annick Salomon > > ensuring the expression of one particular gene. The ONLY way to get an > exact genetically identical plant of a cultivar is by asexual > reproduction i.e. cuttings, or tissue culture. Therefore a selfing of > Aku ryu would be expressed as D.musc. "Aku Ryu"x self. No sexuall > produced offspring can be called by the cultivar name. > > -Alexander E. Salomon, M.D. I think it will depend on the kind of cultivar you are dealing with. The International Code of Nomenclature for Cultivated plants (1995) states in article 2.2: A cultivar is a taxon that has been selected for a particular attribute or combination of attributes, and that is clearly distinct, uniform and stable in its characteristics and that, when propagated by appropriate means, retains those characteristics. And in article 2.12: Assemblages of individuals grown from seed derived from uncontrolled pollination may be given cultivar names when they meet the criteria laid down in Art. 2.2 and when they can be consistently distinguished by one or more characters, even though such individuals may not necessarily be genetically uniform. Michael Chamberland ################### From: "Mellard, David" Date: Mon, 5 Jan 1998 13:49:00 -0500 Subject: Re: Acidit sand Hi Randy, S. minor grows just like the other cp's, in an acid environment so a 1:1 mix of acid sand and milled sphagnum peat moss will do fine. David ---------- To: Multiple recipients of list Acidit sand, Play Ground sand. Venus doesn't like sand. Go easy with your acid additions at first until you're happy with your results. Most Utrics like at least partial sand. With most Pitcher Plants, liking mostly Canadian peat, (anybody out there able to grow S. Minor, I don't know the procedure),high or low PH. Randy Palmer sfdzeqe0@scfn.thpl.lib.fl.us ################### From: Perry Malouf Date: Mon, 5 Jan 1998 15:01:38 -0500 (EST) Subject: phytotoxic styrofoam Hello everyone, I'd like to relate an interesting observation I made recently, which could be very important for others in this forum. It concerns the phytotoxicity of colored styrofoam peanuts, of the sort often used as cushioning material in packaging. In summary, I believe these colored pieces of styrofoam were responsible for setting back several of my Nepenthes. Other growers should be careful. Here are the observations. I repotted several small plants about a year ago. I always put a shallow layer of styrofoam peanuts in the bottom of my pots, followed by a clump of potting media (sphagnum/perlite). Then I put the plant on top of the media, spreading out the roots (old potting media is removed as much as possible). Finally I drop in more media on top of the roots and lightly tap the pot down on a table top a few times to settle the media around the roots. Though the plants grew nicely after a month of adjustment, I recently noticed that some of the plants were dying back. The lower leaves would turn yellow and then dry up, followed by the upper leaves. (These plants were about 7" in diameter and only 4" tall). The change was fairly sudden, occurring over a period of 2 weeks. It was strange, especially after such a healthy growth spurt. This past weekend I repotted some of these plants. Invariably I noticed that the unhealthy ones had roots growing _through_ a _colored_ styrofoam peanut. Then I remembered one line in a posting by Al Bickell (when he recited his recipe for Nepenthes potting media). He described how he puts styrofoam peanuts in the bottom of his pots, and then added in parentheses "white ones; colored ones are phytototoxic". [I'm paraphrasing here.] Suddenly it all made sense. When the plants were enjoying a growth spurt of green tissue, they were also growing more roots. The roots finally came in contact with some colored styrofoam and grew through it. At this point the roots began absorbing phytotoxic material and the plants started to decline in health. Since the rest of my plants are doing well, since I've not seen any sign of other pathogens on the sick plants, and since all the plants experience the same growing conditions, I surmise the colored styrofoam is the problem. (The healthy plants I repotted hadn't yet grown roots into the colored peanuts.) I'm going to repot all my plants over the next few weeks, and use white styrofoam from now on. By the way, I'm trying a different spin on my old recipe for potting media. Instead of soaking the sphagnum in water, I'm soaking it in a 1:1 dilution of peat tea. Let's see what happens. Regards, Perry Malouf ################### From: "Stefan Ploszak" Date: Mon, 05 Jan 1998 12:55:48 PST Subject: Re: S.X"Ladies-in-Waiting" Hi list, Joe Cumbee wrote: >I was fortunate enough to purchase a "Ladies in Waiting" at the ICPS Convention >at the Atlanta Botanical Gardens this past May. It is a very nice plant, and it >held up to the South Georgia heat very well. Just to say that you own a plant >that was cultivated by Rob Gardner and Larry Mellichamp is worth much more >than the $20.00, I wish now I had also gotten the "Dixie Lace" also. I've seen and I grow the Mellichamp plants that you mention. Joe, you are very correct in saying that a Mellichamp plant is worth more than $20. No other hybrids even compare in beauty and vigor(except possibly, SX'JudithHindle.'). Dr. Mellichamp has been producing these plants for years and he is redefining my expectations of a Sarracenia hybrid. SX"Ladies..." grows about 8-12" tall and has an obvious leuco influence. I'd have to double check, but I think it is a SXleuco X(rubraxpsitt) hybrid. SX"Dixie Lace" is in my opinion even prettier than SX"Ladies..." Each pitcher has a green/orange color with a dense network of red veins. I'm not very good at describing them, but let me say that they are by far the prettiest Sarrs I've ever seen. I've even considered growing only a few "regular" Sarrs and the rest beauties like these. I've spoken to Dr. Mellichamp about his hybrids and he selects plants that are beautiful, vigorous, colorfull, about 12" in height when mature, and easy to grow. Right now he has 3 hybrids in tc, but will have more to follow(IMHO, what follows is even better). The 3 hybrids are SX"Ladies-in-Waiting," SX"Dixie Lace," and SX"Case's Resolve." I understand that there is some trouble with SX"Case's Resolve," so I don't know if it will be available. The only current source that I know of for these plants is David Crump in Charlotte, NC and he has plenty of each. If his computer is up-and-running, maybe he could comment further. Those of you that have seen the Sarrs at the NC Botanical Gardens in Chapel Hill or the McMullen Conservatory at UNCC know what I am talking about. Possibly, the best Sarr displays in the nation. Stefan Ploszak Gastonia,NC ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ################### From: L235 Date: Mon, 5 Jan 1998 16:13:22 EST Subject: Re: Sexual propagation of cultivars Ok, ok ... consider me suitably chastened. In actuality, I think it's fine to play around with genetics ... to a point. My "official" exhortation was however in response to the huge danger in passing off (innocently or otherwise) named cultivars when they're not, due to sexual as opposed to asexual propagation. If you're not quite sure what you're doing, and actively trading, it can seriously muddy the hobby and give us all a bad reputation (and don't we have enough to worry about with all the indescriminate poaching and CP naturalization we do? ). I think it's important to protect cultivars .... might like to name one myself someday. Jay Lechtman (L235@aol.com) Reston, Virginia USA ################### From: Phil Wilson Date: Mon, 5 Jan 1998 21:40:42 +0000 Subject: Re: British CPS Journal In message <4b0f9bc0@sset.com>, Leigh.Perkins@sset.com writes > To other British CPS members > > Sorry to post this here, but can anyone else tell me if they have > received their December CPS letter and the 1997 Journal as yet, or am > I just being very impatient. Please mail me direct to save the > bandwidth. > > Happy growing for '98! > > Leigh I'll make this a general posting in case there are any other members wondering the same thing. The final newsletter and journal has just been mailed and assuming the post office do their bit ought to arrive by the end of the week. On behalf of the society please accept our appologies but things got a little tight and we didn't quite make a packing session before Christmas. Regards, -- Phil Wilson Journal Editor ################### From: "Mellard, David" Date: Mon, 5 Jan 1998 16:07:00 -0500 Subject: Drosophyllum I'd appreciate finding out the pH preference of Drosophyllum. David ################### From: Mars Date: Mon, 5 Jan 1998 23:11:27 +-100 Subject: Re: Never say die Hi Mark and List, >Today, I noticed a new D. capensis sprouting where the old one had >been. I know this has been discussed several times before on this >list, but I want to reinforce--never give up on a "dead" cp, as it may >not be! Can you tell me what a little D. capensis looks like? I've torn mine apart in 6 smaller plants and in one of the pots I notice this very little CP. It looks like D. intermedia more than it looks like capensis. Now I've been messing around with seeds of D. intermedia so the chance is not zero, but.... Mars ################### From: Phil Wilson Date: Mon, 5 Jan 1998 20:55:26 +0000 Subject: Re: Cultivation In message <199801042216.WAA00810@smtpgate2.poptel.org.uk>, Gill Robinson writes >I have just joined this mailing list, and am interested in finding out the >most suitable species for cultivating in the UK. > What are your growing conditions - Greenhouse, outdoors, sunny windowsill etc? Regards, -- Phil Wilson ################### From: Al Bickell Date: Mon, 5 Jan 1998 20:36:29 -0500 (EST) Subject: frozen Nepenthes Hi CP'ers, Can anyone tell me if there has been any trial attempts to freeze Nepenthes seeds for storage and then germinate them? This works with tropical orchids and I was wondering if it worked for Nepenthes too. Thanks, Al Alan Bickell Canadian Tissue Culture Labratory Web Site ################### From: "Sara A. Gardner" Date: Mon, 05 Jan 1998 19:16:36 -0800 Subject: N. coccinea >N. coccinea is an old Victorian hybrid popular in glasshouses around the >turn of the century. Its rafflesiana x ampullaria crossed with >mirabilis. This plant is from lowland parentage and enjoys higher temps. >I keep mine inside a 50 gallon tank under twin tube flourescents with a >14 hour photoperiod. Make sure your potting mixture is open and acidic. >Growing temperatures within a range of 65-85f work best for this plant. > >Much success, > >Mark Pogany >Cleveland, Ohio >markp@crscms.com > Mark, is this likely to be what I bought in a large hanging pot at a garden shop marked "hanging pitcher plant"? Sara in Grants Pass, OR ################### From: "Gilles LARDY" Date: Tue, 6 Jan 1998 11:02:48 +0800 Subject: Help needed for seeds Hi, Further to Laurent Ide's advice I resort to our community to try to set up a new collection here in HK. I would appreciate to get any seeds of droseras (tropical & sub-tropical species), byblis, utrics, genlisea or neps. I don't have much to trade, except from D. spathulata 'HK', D. oblanceolata and N. mirabilis seeds and seedlings. Please e-mail me privately for details. Thanks to you all... ################### From: saharris@iafrica.com (Eric Green) Date: Tue, 06 Jan 98 04:29:50 GMT Subject: Pinguicula alpina and scented sundew flowers Are any fellow carnivorous plant growers able to provide details on the following two topics? 1. Does Pinguicula alpina occur in Greenland, or is Iceland the westernmost outpost of this species? 2. Do Drosera with scented flowers (to the human nose) occur beyond Australia and New Zealand? That is, is this phenomenon developed outside of the tuberous, pygmy and t-form sundew groups? Kind regards, Robert Gibson (in Cape Town) ################### From: Guy.VanDerKinderen@rug.ac.be Date: Tue, 6 Jan 1998 10:31:22 +0000 Subject: Re: too much light for Helis? Hello Jonathan, > Is there such a thing as too much light for Helis? I have mine about six > inches under six fluorescent bulbs, three of which are very powerful. > More specifically, I was wondering if too much light might inhibit their > development, as only one out of eight juvenile plants I have has > produced adult pitchers. To my experience, Helis can receive a lot of light, which I think is consistent with the high light intensities they receive in the tropics at the altitude they grow. I cultivate my plants about 20 to 30 cm under three cool white TRU-LITE lamps. New pitchers turn reddish almost immediately after appearance. Also in nature, they display this colour. Plants grow well and flower. Young, ex-vitro plants do the same, and don't burn. The terrarium in which they grow however receives regular misting to. > All of the varieties that I grow are doing well, but seem to get much > redder than photos I have seen of the same plants, and new plants tend > to burn rather badly before adapting. > I know that they are otherwise happy, since they have all grown very > well, divided, and even flowered, but I would really like to know if > reducing their light would help the young ones. In your case, I would advise to protect some young plants from high light intensities, and see the result. This provided that all other factors are optimal, but since your adult plants do grow well and flower, I think this is not the problem. Kind regards, Guy VdK ################### From: Wim Leys Date: Tue, 06 Jan 1998 10:53:30 +0100 Subject: D. binata multifida extrema I have been growing a D. binata multifida extrema for about three years, and each year it grows a little less vigorous than the year before. The leaves produced last year (summer) became no longer than 15 cm on very thin stalks. I have transplanted it two years ago in a 15 * 15 cm plastic pot with a mixture of about 5 peat / 1 pine needles / 2 perlite / 2 sand. All my other plants (Drosera, Sarracenia, VFT, Darlingtonia) are doing fine in this mixture. During summer it grows in the greenhouse in +- 3 cm water. During winter it is kept frost free in a cold room in our house (after I nearly lost it during its first winter in the greenhouse), the soil is kept moist, but not wet. What should I do to reinitialize its vigour ? To those to whom I have promised seeds, I'm just back from vacation. I will send the seeds this week. Kind regards Wim ################### From: Borneo Exotics Date: Tue, 06 Jan 1998 20:21:33 +0500 Subject: re: N. clipeata question Gilles Lardy wrote: I have put on my heater last week, and notice that my clipeata is growing faster (around 27 deg C). I thought this was a highland species, but recently R. Cantley put it in the lowland section of his website. Any comment and experience appreciated... Actually, N. clipeata is not a species I have ever grown, so I don't know much about it's cultivation requirements! The reason I put it in the lowland section is that the mountain it comes from, Gng Kelam is almost exactly 1,000m high which puts it borderline between highland and lowland. It grows on cliff faces, so presumably it doesn't exits on the top of the mountain (if it did it'd be long gone!). 27 deg C sounds about right for the altitude, but beware, if it behaves as a highlander, it may need a night-time temperature a bit lower than this. You may possibly find that growth slows down after a while, or abnormal growth starts to appear if it doesn't get the temperature swing. No doubt others who have growing experience can tell you more. Best of luck! Robert Cantley ################### From: "Andreas Wistuba" Date: Tue, 6 Jan 1998 15:39:28 +0000 Subject: re: N. clipeata question On 6 Jan 98 at 6:33, Borneo Exotics wrote: > Gilles Lardy wrote: > > I have put on my heater last week, and notice that my clipeata is growing > faster (around 27 deg C). I thought this was a highland species, but > recently R. Cantley put it in the lowland section of his website. > > Any comment and experience appreciated... > > Actually, N. clipeata is not a species I have ever grown, so I don't know > much about it's cultivation requirements! The reason I put it in the > lowland section is that the mountain it comes from, Gng Kelam is almost > exactly 1,000m high which puts it borderline between highland and lowland. > It grows on cliff faces, so presumably it doesn't exits on the top of the > mountain (if it did it'd be long gone!). > > 27 deg C sounds about right for the altitude, but beware, if it behaves as > a highlander, it may need a night-time temperature a bit lower than this. > You may possibly find that growth slows down after a while, or abnormal > growth starts to appear if it doesn't get the temperature swing. No doubt > others who have growing experience can tell you more. > > Best of luck! > > > Robert Cantley > > > > I'd recommend growing N. clipeata in an intermediate range of temperatures - not like extreme lowlanders (e.g. N. bicalcarata), however warmer than real highland species. I must admit that after establishing the first plants from tissue culture last spring N. clipeata has turned out to be easier than I had expected:-) They are not very fast but I had only very little losses. Bye, Andreas THE NEPENTHES NURSERY http://www.wistuba.com Mudauer Ring 227; 68259 Mannheim; Germany Fax: +49 621 7152028 nepenthes@wistuba.com ################### From: "E.A.J-C. Valette" Date: Tue, 6 Jan 1998 17:05:00 +0000 (GMT) Subject: water ? Happy new year to all. With the raining whether, we have here, I try to recolt the most rainwater as possible. I have a shed in my garden but the roof is made with shingel (spelling?) Do you think I can recolt the water anyway. Perhaps it could have heavymetal which be dangerous to the CP? At the moment, I only use plastic box. On the other hand, how can I keep this water and how long time?. It is safe if I only use plastic bottles? Any advise would be greatly appreciated. Thanks in advance. Eric ################### From: Barry Meyers-Rice Date: Tue, 6 Jan 1998 11:44:46 -0800 (PST) Subject: Niche Gardens Cultivars Hi everyone! Just for the record, the information that people are talking about, regarding the fine Sarracenia selections being developed at Niche Gardens, are NOT cultivar descriptions. Niche Gardens and Larry Mellichamp are arranging with Carnivorous Plant Newsletter to have their cultivars descriptions to appear in CPN. Just to clarify things a bit. Cheers Barry ------------------------ Dr. Barry A. Meyers-Rice Carnivorous Plant Newsletter Conservation Coeditor bazza@ucdavis.edu http://www.indirect.com/www/bazza/cps/cpn/cpn.html ################### From: BillSherren Date: Tue, 6 Jan 1998 20:05:27 -0000 Subject: Nepenthes Books Hi, Could anyone tell me where I could obtain these new Nepenthes Pitcher = Plants books that have been published recently.As I live in the UK and I = have been unable to find a supplier here. Thanks Bill ################### From: Perry Malouf Date: Tue, 6 Jan 1998 17:15:55 -0500 (EST) Subject: Re: Nepenthes Books Bill Sherren asked: > Could anyone tell me where I could obtain these new Nepenthes Pitcher = > Plants books that have been published recently. There are two books in question. Nepenthes of Borneo by Charles Clarke is the most recent. There is also Pitcher-Plants of Borneo by Anthea Phillipps and Anthony Lamb. Both are available from the same publisher: Natural History Publications (Borneo) SDN BHD Sabah, Malaysia If you need the entire mailing address, write me again. But, it's more efficient if you call/fax them, or send e-mail: Tel: 088-233098 Fax: 088-240768 The country code for Malaysia is 60. e-mail:chewlun@tm.net.my I had the best success by faxing them my intent to order. They return-faxed me a credit card order form with the desired book information on it. All I had to do was sign the form, fill in the credit card information, and fax it back. All currency exchange is taken care of automatically. You can also e-mail them with your intentions, and include your fax number. Regards, Perry Malouf ################### From: stephend@ricochet.net (stephend@ricochet.net) Date: Tue, 6 Jan 1998 18:54:06 -0800 Subject: CP class at UC Santa Cruz. I found this class listed on the following web page and I signed up for it. I wonder how many classes like this are taught every year? There are only two people signed up as of yesterday so it sounds like a very one-on-one class, but I'm sure it would be more informative and fun if there were others. Looking forward to seeing some of you there. :-) Stephen Davis San Jose, CA January 24: Santa Cruz The World of Carnivorous Plants: Natural History, Propagation, and Cultivation Carnivory or insectivory among the plant kingdom is a highly specialized survival adaptation that evolved in widely unrelated plant families. Participants in this seminar will explore the rich natural history of the world's diversity of carnivorous plants. We will study their distribution and explore their native habitats, evolution, ecology, and adaptations to carnivory. Passive and active methods of capture and digestive mechanisms will be featured and studied. Percipients will also learn how to propagate and grow carnivorous plants through hands-on demonstrations and discussion. Various topics will be addressed, including hybridization, pests and diseases, watering requirements, and indoor and outdoor cultivation. This is a hands-on workshop. The instructor will bring live plants for display and will show slides. Participants will tour the UCSC Arboretum's carnivorous plant displays. Instructor: Brian Jeffers, owner and manager of Darrow Nurseries, Watsonville. Fee: $74 Saturday, January 24 from 10 am to 3 pm (bring a bag lunch). co-sponsored by UCSC Extension and UCSC Arboretum UCSC Arboretum High Street, UCSC, Santa Cruz 1-800-660-8639 Stephen Davis stephend@ricochet.net ################### From: Derek Glidden Date: Tue, 6 Jan 1998 22:57:09 -0500 (EST) Subject: California and plants I have the chance to take a new job in California, which I like so much better than Florida, but I was told just today that CA has a "No Plants Come Into the State" policy and that all my CP would have to stay behind. Well, I don't have a years'-old collection, but I'd still be pretty bummed about having to get rid of all my plants and it would be a major factor in my considering to move. Does anyone know anything more about this import policy of CA, or if there is a way to get some kind of phytosanitary certificate or something so I could bring my babies with me? -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Derek Glidden http://www.illusionary.com Illusionary.com Home of the Pagan Resource Site Web development, database, graphics and general plumbing Linux, FreeBSD, Apache, MySQL, PostgreSQL, PHP (Say No to NT!) ################### From: J Mitchell Date: Tue, 06 Jan 1998 22:34:32 +0000 Subject: drying sphagnum? I've been frustrated lately with sphagnum (dried), which I need for several species I grow. Basically, the cheap stuff is filthy, stinky, full of seeds and spores, and generally not something I want to put my Heliamphoras and other rarer plants into. And the expensive stuff is, well, expensive. I have found some clean, nice New Zealand moss, but it's available only sporadically and it's like $10 or $12 for a bag barely big enough to repot a half dozen 4" pots. Well, the other day I was trimming some of my live sphagnum, and just left it out on a table to see if it would dry well. The result was a fairly nice dried moss, somewhat lighter and fluffier than the bagged stuff. I think it would be great if I could grow and dry my own moss; it would be guaranteed pure and weed free, and cost nothing but terrarium space. So, has anyone had experience doing this? Does it work, or is something done to the packaged stuff that is necessary? I know how to grow live sphagnum just fine, I'm only wondering if anyone knows how to turn it into usable dried stuff. Any help would be greatly appreciated- -Jonathan ################### From: Bruce R Salmon Date: Wed, 7 Jan 1998 18:59:40 +1300 (NZDT) Subject: * NEP COMPETITION * Yes, I'm feeling generous again. I have 12, thats right twelve, packets of fresh N. lavicola seed to *give* away.... You must be absolutely bananas I hear you say. Well everyone's entitled to their own opinion. BUT there is a catch - well it's not a competition for nothing! To win a free packet you must... Tell me why you think you deserve it in the most *seductive* and *witty* way you can think of. All winners will be notified on this channel so that losers know whose arms to twist. Competition closes same bat time, same bat channel, next bat week. Brucie 13 Rothery Road Manurewa Auckland New Zealand ################### From: SCHLAUER@chemie.uni-wuerzburg.de Date: Wed, 7 Jan 1998 08:39:50 Subject: Re: Pinguicula alpina and scented sundew flowers Dear Robert, > 1. Does Pinguicula alpina occur in Greenland, or is Iceland the > westernmost outpost of this species? No record known from Greenland. All records from America erroneous (confusion with _P. villosa_ or _P. vulgaris_). Where do you have the information on Iceland from? I do not know of any record of _P. alpina_ from there. I have seen specimens of _P. vulgaris_ from Iceland, however. So the W most occurrence of _P. alpina_ seems to be in Spain (Pyrenees). > 2. Do Drosera with scented flowers (to the human nose) occur beyond > Australia and New Zealand? That is, is this phenomenon developed > outside of the tuberous, pygmy and t-form sundew groups? I do not know of any outside that area. The scented species do belong to subgenera that are (almost) endemic to Au/N.Zeal., so it is not very likely to find these species (except _D. peltata_) somewhere else (how about _D. insolita_? Has any of the many collectors of this species ever sniffed at the flowers? ;-)). However, there is a possibility that scent just has not been noted by the collectors of other species in other regions. Kind regards Jan ################### From: juerg.steiger@iae.unibe.ch (Juerg Steiger) Date: Wed, 07 Jan 1998 09:31:33 +0100 Subject: Re: Pinguicula alpina and scented sundew flowers Robert Gibson asks: >1. Does Pinguicula alpina occur in Greenland, or is Iceland the >westernmost outpost of this species? P. alpina neither grows in Greenland nor in Iceland. It reaches its northwesternmost distribution sites in Scotland and Norway. The only butterwort occurring in Greenland and Iceland is P. vulgaris. Kind regards Juerg ___________________________________________________ Juerg Steiger, Institut fuer Aus-, Weiter- und Fortbildung IAWF, University of Bern, Medical Faculty, Inselspital 37a, CH-3010 Bern, Switzerland. Phone: +41 (0)31 632 9887, Fax: +41 (0)31 632 9871 ################### From: SCHLAUER@chemie.uni-wuerzburg.de Date: Wed, 7 Jan 1998 09:48:54 Subject: Re: small ping from Oaxaca Dear Edward, > There is a pinguicula that grows in Oaxaca, is self fertile, and grows > only as big as your thumb nail. > If you know what this plant is named, please tell me. There are several possibilities. The most probable is _P. crenatiloba_, a close relative of the quite frequently cultivated _P. emarginata_. It can be recognized by the flowers that have emarginate corolla lobes (with distinct teeth at the tip). It is one of the smallest species in the genus and the smallest known from Mexico. > I'll be in Oaxaca again. If you know locations of pings in this state I > would like to talk with you. There are localities all over this state. If you visit places in the Sierra that are not yet known as type localities of described species (cf. _P. gigantea, greenwoodii, hemiepiphytica, laueana, mirandae, rectifolia, stolonifera, utricularioides_ in the cp database, all described since 1989!), you will probably find new locations, and perhaps even new species! Visit the 1998 cp conference at Bonn, Germany (May 29 - June 1). Amongst others, Hans Luhrs (who described two of the species mentioned above himself) will tell about his experience in Mexico. Registration forms are in the most recent issue of CPN and on the web: http://www.gfp.org/icps/anmform.htm Kind regards Jan ################### From: SCHLAUER@chemie.uni-wuerzburg.de Date: Wed, 7 Jan 1998 09:58:15 Subject: list of cp cultivars Dear David, > Is there a master list of Sarracenia cultivars somewhere? What you are talking about is the International Register of Carnivorous Plant Cultivars. This is in preparation as one of the installations of the ICPS as the forthcoming International registration Authority of cp cultivars. If you want to see what information is available already, please use the cp database (searching for single quotes ' will output all cultivars and a few other records). Kind regards Jan ################### From: Rand Nicholson Date: Wed, 7 Jan 1998 08:31:59 -0400 Subject: Re: drying sphagnum? >I've been frustrated lately with sphagnum (dried), which I need for >several species I grow. >Basically, the cheap stuff is filthy, stinky, full of seeds and spores, >and generally not something I want to put my Heliamphoras and other >rarer plants into. (snip) >So, has anyone had experience doing this? Does it work, or is something >done to the packaged stuff that is necessary? >I know how to grow live sphagnum just fine, I'm only wondering if anyone >knows how to turn it into usable dried stuff. > >Any help would be greatly appreciated- > >-Jonathan If you can grow it so the fibers (stems) reach any length at all, the rest should be easy. Of course, up here in Canada, I can just pick the stuff up during a walk in the woods and stuff it in a bag. When the moss has had some good growth, try giving it a severe haircut and then just spread it out thinly in a warm sunny spot or under a mild heat source (a few bright lightbulbs). It will dry to a greyish colour and feel light and somewhat brittle, in a few hours. At this point it is a dry sponge and can be stored. When you use this on your plants, moisten it just enough so that it becomes workable and pack it into the pot. When you water it (I do it by soaking) the material will expand and should anchor anything you have planted in it quite nicely. If you let it dry out _completely_ after potting, it can be difficult to re-moisten. If you are using Canadian sphagnum, don't be surprised if the stuff starts growing again on the surface of your pots: the spores can survive a lot of tough treatment. HTH. Kind Regards, Rand Rand Nicholson New Brunswick Maritime Canada, Z 5b ################### From: "Semanchuk, Phil J" Date: Wed, 7 Jan 1998 10:08:33 -0500 Subject: RE: water ? > With the raining whether, we have here, I try to > recolt the most rainwater as possible. I have a shed > in my garden but the roof is made with shingel > (spelling?) Do you think I can recolt the water > anyway. > Perhaps it could have heavymetal which be dangerous > to the CP? At the moment, I only use plastic box. > > On the other hand, how can I keep this water and how > long time?. It is safe if I only use plastic bottles? Eric, I collect water from my roof which is covered with asphalt shingles, the standard roofing material in the U.S.A. Since asphalt is a petroleum product, I think that some nasty chemicals probably leach out of it as it sits in the sun. In the summer when rains are infrequent I usually let it rain for a while before I put my bucket out to catch the rainwater. My theory is that the rain will wash off some of the nasty chemicals so that the rainwater I collect will be relatively clean. I store my water in 5 gallon buckets with lids on top to keep mosquitoes from breeding in them. I've had my water get algae growth but to my knowledge it has never turned "sour" or "bad". Hope this helps, Phil URL du jour: http://www.431.org/toast/toasthaiku.html ################### From: Johannes.Marabini@t-online.de (Johannes Marabini) Date: Wed, 07 Jan 1998 16:03:43 +0100 Subject: Re: N.clipeata Gilles Lardy wrote: x I have put on my heater last week, and notice that my clipeata is growing x faster (around 27 deg C). I thought this was a highland species, but x recently R. Cantley put it in the lowland section of his excellent website. You can say that Nepenthes clipeata is a montain plant, not highland (over 1500m) and not lowland (below 500m). The (former) location of N.clipeata is Gunong Kelam in Kalimantan (you can see a photo in my homepage), which is 800 m high. The original place, where N.clipeata was found, is now destroyed by a fire and was at an altitude of about 700 m at a steep slope of this montain. During the day it is terrible hot (38 deg. Cel.)at this place and at night it cools down to 18 - 20 deg.Cel. Johannes -- Homepage: http://home.t-online.de/home/johannes.marabini@t-online.de/index.htm ################### From: mark.fisher@tpwd.state.tx.us Date: Wed, 07 Jan 98 10:55:02 cst Subject: Re: Never say die >>Today, I noticed a new D. capensis sprouting where the old one had >>been. I know this has been discussed several times before on this >>list, but I want to reinforce--never give up on a "dead" cp, as it >>may not be! >Can you tell me what a little D. capensis looks like? I've torn mine >apart in 6 smaller plants and in one of the pots I notice this very >little CP. It looks like D. intermedia more than it looks like >capensis. Now I've been messing around with seeds of D. intermedia so >the chance is not zero, but.... Well, it's not simply a miniature version of a full-grown plant. The leaves are out of proportion and are rather short and stubby. Mine has bright red tentacles. I agree it looks more like a full-grown D. intermedia than capensis (I do not have any intermedia in the greenhouse, so that's not it). I've got tons 'o D. spatulata popping up everywhere, but that's easy to distinguish. Regards, Mark ################### From: "Gilles LARDY" Date: Wed, 7 Jan 1998 01:19:03 +0800 Subject: Pix-Check this out... Hi everybody, Thank you for those who have answered my message regarding seeds, and for those who will answer soon :).... I will answer to the first ones tomorrow (today very busy...) However, here is the address where, further to many requests (Hi Ivo...), are displayed some pix of HK CPs Hope you'll appreciate it, more to come soon. http://www.geocities.com/RainForest/Canopy/1244/MainFrame.htm Gilles ################### From: SCHLAUER@chemie.uni-wuerzburg.de Date: Wed, 7 Jan 1998 18:58:37 Subject: Re: N.clipeata Dear clipeatologists, > You can say that Nepenthes clipeata is a montain plant, not highland > (over 1500m) and not lowland (below 500m). The (former) location of > N.clipeata is Gunong Kelam in Kalimantan (you can see a photo in > my homepage), which is 800 m high. The original place, where > N.clipeata was found, is now destroyed by a fire and was at an > altitude of about 700 m at a steep slope of this montain. During > the day it is terrible hot (38 deg. Cel.)at this place and at night > it cools down to 18 - 20 deg.Cel. In addition to these climatic factors (elevation, geographical latitude), also edaphic (soil, etc.) factors determine the endemism of this most remarkable species. G.Kelam is an inselberg (an isolated outcrop of siliceous rock). _N. clipeata_ (unlike other plants inhabiting a similar geographical setting) is adapted to this peculiar rock surface situation that is almost devoid of other plants, so it is very unlikely that this species can be found somewhere in the close neighbourhood of G.Kelam (i.e. in habitats in which it would not survive competition by other plants that are more vigorous in these more "normal" habitats). In fact the known specimens indicate that this mountain is the only station of the species at all. It is quite remarkable that this (almost?) extinct species was never protected more than any other _Nepenthes_ (cf. N.mirabilis_!). Kind regards Jan ################### From: "Jim & Karla (c223@rollanet.org)" Date: Wed, 7 Jan 1998 13:29:10 -0500 Subject: Rain water collection barrel Hi, I live in an area of Missouri, USA that has very hard water. = When used on my orchids, bromiliads, and CP it slowly caused then to = lose vigor and die. So I bought a 30 gallon plastic trash can, cut a = small rectangular hole in the lid to conform to the shape of the gutter = downspout and placed it on a three foot high wooden platform under the = downspout. I also installed a plastic faucet in the bottom front of the barrel so = that I can draw off the water that I need for the green house plants and = save the rest in the barrel. I put the water into twenty gallon = Rubbermaid containers. Any large, clean plastic container will do. Make = sure it has a lid for safety. Little kids love water. The black = coloring of the collection can helps to quickly melt the outer few = inches of the can when it is frozen solid. That is more often than not = here in Missouri in the winter. My roof is asphalt shingle and the = plants have been using water collected this way for two years. They are = very vigorous and healthy. Jim Farrelly ################### From: dave evans Date: Wed, 07 Jan 98 20:20 EST Subject: Re: D. graminifolia > From: -Tom- > > > Hey Dave - any of the ones I gave to you survive? How were you > growing them? Hi List, At first I couldn't recall Tom giving me any D.gram., but then I realized we each planted some seeds of this species last year over the holiday break. I think Tom had the D.gram. seeds originally. Well, most died with the heat of summer. As Fernando mentioned, these S.American Drosera like things cool, like Darlingtonia. I have one D.gram. left out of about a dozen. It was the one in the most shade and hence, the coolest. Fernando, do you have any ideas about how to induce flowering in this species by changing the hours of light per day? Also, how large should (can?) a plant be before flowering. Thank-you, Dave Evans ################### From: ss66428 Date: Thu, 08 Jan 1998 12:32:02 +0900 Subject: Re: D.graminifolia Hi Dave, Your question on how to induce flowering in D.graminifolia is interesting. Before going into any details, first you have to keep in mind that the type plants on the Caraca (= Ka-RA-ssa) Highlands flower in late summer, which corresponds to March in Brazil. This is the wet season. A small number of plants will then flower again in September, which is at the end of winter and height of the dry season. At all other D.graminifolia populations I have studied (Diamantina, Grao Mogol, Itacambira, and Botumirim, further north from Caraca, all in the state of Minas Gerais, southwestern Brazil) the plants flower around September. I'm not sure if there is an ideal size for it to begin flowering at. I've seen rather small plants flowering in the wild on numerous occasions. I can think of two factors involved in the induction of flowering in this species: soil humidity and photoperiod. For D.graminifolia from Caraca, I would say photoperiod is the important factor, since in March (when they flower) the soil has been wet for many months and has not yet started to dry out. As for the more northern populations of D.graminifolia, I'm not sure which of the two possible factors is more important, if any. So first you would have to find out where your plants came from. If you don't know, I could send you more info on how to tell the Caraca form apart from the otehrs based on morphology. If the plants are too small though, it would be difficult to tell apart the Diamantina form from the Grao Mogol/ Itacambira/Botumirim form, the latter being very distinct when in flower (bigger, beautiful flowers!) and also having differen shaped styles, stamens, and seeds. All the Best, Fernando Rivadavia Tokyo, Japan ################### From: saharris@iafrica.com (Eric Green) Date: Thu, 08 Jan 98 04:25:52 GMT Subject: Re: Pinguicula alpina in Iceland Dear Jeurg, Jan and other Pinguicula growers, Whilst in Iceland I saw a copy of the book "Flora of Iceland" by A. Love, published in 1983, by Almenn Bokafelagid, in Reykjavik. In it was the gem of information about Pinguicula alpina, complete with a line drawing. This species has been recorded only three times, between 1785 and 1932, in western and northwestern parts of the island. It is thus very rare; which may in part be due to an incredibly short growing period at this northern lattitude. It would be interesting to know if this population differs from that in Scotland and Norway. Cheers, Robert ################### From: MARK POGANY Date: Thu, 8 Jan 1998 01:39:36 -0500 Subject: A bookseller URL Below is the URL of a place that has a good supply of the new Nepenthes book by Charles Clarke. Someone on the list posted it just before New Year's so here it is again in case anyone missed it. http://www.orchidweb.com/orchids/ Orchids Limited 4630 Fernbrook Lane Plymouth, MN 55446 Phone: (612)559-6425 Toll Free: 1-800-669-6006 Fax: (612)557-6956 The guy that I talked to on the phone said they received a supply of that book direct from the publisher in Malaysia. Switching gears I have a Nep question. How long does it generally take for highland and lowland neps to strike? I have several stem cuttings of khasiana, gracilis, and coccinea stuck in 4" pots with sphagnum/perlite mix. These in turn are inside sealed transparent plastic food jars and are under high intensity flourescents for 14 hours a day. Does the time of year have any bearing on this? Mark Pogany Cleveland, Ohio markp@crscms.com ################### From: "Ernest Ming" Date: Thu, 8 Jan 1998 17:27:29 -0000 Subject: venus flytrap Hi everyone, I am new here to this mailing thing. I have bought some packet from a garden shop in the U.K which includes a packet of seeds and some dried up soil and a 2" pot. I have now successfully germinated the seeds into tiny plants, these are suppose to be venus flytraps but they haven't any traps formed yet. Is this normal, do they have to grow a bit to form traps? I am new to this whole thing about carnivorous plants and know nothing much about it. Could anybody give me some advice on how to grow these Venus flytraps and what soil is best to use etc.. I also want to start tissue culturing, could anybody advice on that too? And could somebody tell me what is the best carnivorous plants to grow in terms of both easyness and beauty. email me at eyhm@btinternet.com thanks ernest ################### From: saharris@iafrica.com (Eric Green) Date: Thu, 08 Jan 98 18:18:24 GMT Subject: SACPS fieldtrip to Silvermine, Cape Town Greetings fellow cp enthusiasts, Robert here in Cape Town with a brief hot-off-the-press account of a South African Carnivorous Plant Society fieldtrip to the Silvermine area, in the Cape Range, today. Dot and Mark Cappaert (secretary and president of the SACPS), their Belgiun friend Elizabeth, Eric Green and I spent the afternoon near Silvermine, approximately 10km south of Table Mountain. The highlight of the afternoon was the discovery of a natural hybrid, by Elizabeth. It was also interesting to experience highly localised rain in this coastal hilly region. The following species were seen - D. capensis, D. aliciae, D. trinervia, D. glabripes, D. ramentacea, U. bisquamata and D. hilaris. All but the last species were in flower; D. hilaris was dormant. Where D. capensis and D. aliciae grew together a superb example of the natural hybrid between both species was found. It has a semi-erect rosette, to 8 cm across; is effectively stemless; the scape has an initially downcurved base, and for the vertical portion, is covered in short-stalked retentive glands. From this it appears that its parentage is D. aliciae (seed parent) x D. capensis (pollen parent). Whilst this hybrid has been produced artifically on almost every continent it was still brilliant to see that it does occur in nature. The expedition certainly demonstrates how revisiting favourite fieldsites can continue to yield pleasant surprises:-) It was also a pleasure to meet Dot, Mark and Elizabeth. Cheers, Robert PS. For further information on the South African Carnivorous Plant Society please write to Dot Cappaert, PO Box 1378, KRUGERSDORP 1740, Republic of South Africa; fax [South Africa] (0)11 956 6444. ################### From: Johannes.Marabini@t-online.de (Johannes Marabini) Date: Thu, 08 Jan 1998 19:46:36 +0100 Subject: Re:N.clipeata Jan wrote: In addition to these climatic factors (elevation, geographical latitude), also edaphic (soil, etc.) factors determine the endemism of this most remarkable species. G.Kelam is an inselberg (an isolated outcrop of siliceous rock). _N. clipeata_ (unlike other plants inhabiting a similar geographical setting) is adapted to this peculiar rock surface situation that is almost devoid of other plants, so it is very unlikely that this species can be found somewhere in the close neighbourhood of G.Kelam (i.e. in habitats in which it would not survive competition by other plants that are more vigorous in these more "normal" habitats). In fact the known specimens indicate that this mountain is the only station of the species at all. It is quite remarkable that this (almost?) extinct species was never protected more than any other _Nepenthes_ (cf. N.mirabilis_!). That is true. But you must know, that there is a another montain nearby Kelam, which is much lower but also an "inselberg". Nobody has been there until now. And what about the sumit-plateau? It is well known, that there is N.bicalcarata, albomarginata ...growing. In over 800 meters! And it is told, that on the slippery and steep rockfaces should be more clipeata. I heard, that the Indonesian government has a scientifical station there. And there is only a small liana up to the last part of the montain! Left and right of the very small and wet path you can fall down a few hundret meters. What will happen, if you cut it? I know, that the Dayaks there use this montain for hunting. I believe we should think about bringing seeds (or invitro speciments) of cultivated clipeata any time back to this montain! Perhaps the Indonesian government can help. -- Homepage: http://home.t-online.de/home/johannes.marabini@t-online.de/index.htm ################### From: "Mellard, David" Date: Thu, 8 Jan 1998 17:50:00 -0500 Subject: Update -- New Year's gift of seed It's almost done. Most of the envelopes went out today to people who requested seed. I'm waiting on a couple of addresses to come in for the remainder. I thought it would be fun to let you know what kind of response this got. I sent out 246 seed packets with each packet hopefully containing about 50 to 100 seeds. Several people requested large quantities of certain seed so when it was available, they got it. I estimate that somewhere between 17,000 to 34,000 seeds went out. Whew! People from 9 US states and 11 countries are receiving seed. The most seed went to Daniel Joel because he mentioned the words conversation and setting up a seed bank in Israel. He got 51 packets and almost 5,000 seed. I'd say Merry Christmas but it probably doesn't work in this situation and I can't spell the other one. I hope you have fun with the seed. David ################### From: "Ernest Ming" Date: Thu, 8 Jan 1998 23:26:44 -0000 Subject: VFT from seeds, HELP! Hi there, I am completely new to this insect eating of the plant kingdom. I have recently got some VFT seeds and they have already germinated.I wonder what is the best time to start planting venus flytraps from seeds. I also want to know what is the best time to plant the other CPs from seeds? could you please give me some advice. thanks, Ernest. (eyhm@btinternet.com) ################### From: dave evans Date: Thu, 08 Jan 98 18:20 EST Subject: Re: D.aliciae/D.hamiltonii, B.gigantea > From: "Jens Rotthauwe" > > I asked this before but got no answers: > How do I tell D.aliciae from D.hamiltonii when they are not in flower ? > I received a plant labelled hamiltonii and it looks exactly like my aliciaes Hello Jens, D. hamiltonii's leaves seem to have more of a petiole than D. aliciae. Can anyone say what species sp. floating (South Africa) might be? I think it is D.aliciae, but am not sure... Dave Evans ################### From: Michal Dworaczek Date: Thu, 08 Jan 1998 18:26:10 -0600 Subject: Looking for Sphagnum moss Does anyone know where to get some seeds of Sphagnum moss? Is it easy to grow? ,-~~-.___. <----------------------------------------> / | ' \ -=| Michal Dworaczek |=- ( ) 0 -=| dworaczek@usa.net |=- \_/-, ,----' -=| (306)-477-2083 Saskatoon, Saskatchewan |=- ==== // -=| C A N A D A |=- / \-'~; /~~~(O) <----------------------------------------> / __/~| / IBM | Check out my home page!!! =( ______| (_________| http://dworaczek.home.ml.org YOU CAN ALSO CONTACT ME USING ICQ - MY NUMBER IS 5922615 ################### From: Rand Nicholson Date: Thu, 8 Jan 1998 21:45:49 -0400 Subject: Re: Looking for Sphagnum moss >Does anyone know where to get some seeds of Sphagnum moss? Is it easy to >grow? > > ,-~~-.___. <----------------------------------------> > / | ' \ -=| Michal Dworaczek |=- Mike: You are in Canada, the largest producer of the stuff. Since it is winter, go to your nearest plant nursery and ask for a bag of live sphagnum moss. I get a shopping bag full for a couple of bucks. It has spores instead of seeds and a handfull of the stuff will quickly spread if you keep it damp and give it bright light. Kind Regards, Rand Rand Nicholson New Brunswick Maritime Canada, Z 5b ################### From: "Gilles LARDY" Date: Fri, 9 Jan 1998 11:38:27 +0800 Subject: Re: Re:N.clipeata Hi Johannes, Thank you for these precisions, but could you also describe the soil and humidity conditions in which the plants grow ? Does siliceous rock means that they grow in sand, or is it sphagnum, and do they have water running on the roots ? Cheers. Gilles >That is true. But you must know, that there is a another montain >nearby Kelam, which is much lower but also an "inselberg". Nobody has >been there until now. And what about the sumit-plateau? It is well >known, that there is N.bicalcarata, albomarginata ...growing. In over >800 meters! And it is told, that on the slippery and steep rockfaces >should be more clipeata. I heard, that the Indonesian government has a >scientifical station there. And there is only a small liana up to the >last part of the montain! Left and right of the very small and wet >path you can fall down a few hundret meters. What will happen, if you >cut it? I know, that the Dayaks there use this montain for hunting. > >I believe we should think about bringing seeds (or invitro speciments) >of cultivated clipeata any time back to this montain! Perhaps the >Indonesian government can help. > >-- >Homepage: >http://home.t-online.de/home/johannes.marabini@t-online.de/index.htm > > > > ################### From: MARK POGANY Date: Thu, 8 Jan 1998 23:24:28 -0500 Subject: Lowrie Book I have an extra copy of Carnivorous Plants of Australia, Volume 2 by Allen Lowrie for sale. Anyone interested can contact me at: markp@crscms.com (This is the second of three volumes and covers in detail all of the pygmy droseras with many pictures and line drawings.) Plotting world-wide conquest with D. capensis, Mark Pogany Cleveland, Ohio ################### From: KILSMOOTH Date: Fri, 9 Jan 1998 04:34:15 EST Subject: D.hamiltonni and D.sp. "S. Africa". Hello to all!!! Bri here...Hmmm,Well,about all i can do is give a comparison of my plants.My D.hamiltonni are a darker green than D.alicae,and twice the size...I've had D.hamiltonni get to about 3" in diameter,while my D.alicae are smaller,maybe 2""....The only real difference i've seen is ...darker coloration{green} and larger size...My D."S. Africa " Looks kinda like a spatulate version of D.slackii,with small,tight rosettes maybe an inch in diameter...This sp. definately seems to hate cooler weather...anything below 55 deg.F,as some African sp. do.......Feeding my flytraps Filet Mignon,Brian:).....Hey,any one got any Heliams for sale or trade??LOTS of them?? email me.......Brian ################### From: "E.A.J-C. Valette" Date: Fri, 9 Jan 1998 10:43:35 +0000 (GMT) Subject: sphagnum moss Can someone tell me what the difference between moss and sphagnum moss? Is the sphagnum moss in Canada differente of this in France for example? The plants I bought in my garden center have no moss!! and It is drying quite quick. I thougt use the moss which growing all the year under the christmas trees in my garden (Framce). This moss grows very vigorous under the trees. It is like a cushion 2 cm depth and It propagates with creeping extension. I think this moss is used to create flowers decoration. Is it wrong if I m going to use it? thanks of advices Eric ################### From: Randall Palmer Date: Fri, 9 Jan 1998 05:46:06 -0500 (EST) Subject: Re: CP Ernest The trap on the Venus grows out 3/4 of an inch before you'll see the begining of the formation of the trap and then it will unfold. As for the medium find the darkest/richest Canadian peat type. You might also want to use some white styafoam (spelling) pellects, to help allow air around the roots. Randy Palmer sfdzeqe0@scfn.thpl.lib.fl.us ################### From: Randall Palmer Date: Fri, 9 Jan 1998 06:21:02 -0500 (EST) Subject: Re: CP Venus Ernest When to plant seeds. Tomorrow, after you put seeds in cup of water over night. Just place the seed on top of peat where you want to grow, it is possible to move to another potbut for a short time bring water to the height of the soil so that the plant can absorb enough until it start to grow again. Randy Palmer sfdzeqe0@scfn.thpl.lib.fl.us ################### From: -Tom- Date: Fri, 9 Jan 1998 09:28:19 -0500 (EST) Subject: Re: Update -- New Year's gift of seed David, >requested seed. I'm waiting on a couple of addresses to come in for >the remainder. Like I said before, I am in no big hurry - whenever:) >I thought it would be fun to let you know what kind of response this >got. I sent out 246 seed packets with each packet hopefully containing >about 50 to 100 seeds. Several people requested large quantities of >certain seed so when it was available, they got it. I estimate that >somewhere between 17,000 to 34,000 seeds went out. Whew! That is a hell of a lot of seed! >I hope you have fun with the seed. I just hope it germinates:) The fun will come when I get to see them grow up! Take care & keep on growing, Thomas K. Hayes DANGEROUS PLANTS dangerous_plants@hotmail.com tkhayes@mail.microserve.net http://www.infinicom.com/~thayes ################### From: "Semanchuk, Phil J" Date: Fri, 9 Jan 1998 09:59:06 -0500 Subject: RE: venus flytrap > I am new to this whole thing about carnivorous > plants and know nothing much about it. Could anybody > give me some advice on how to grow these Venus > flytraps and what soil is best to use etc.. > I also want to start tissue culturing, could anybody > advice on that too? Ernest, There are some excellent pages on the Web. The CP FAQ is at http://www.indirect.com/www/bazza/cps/faq/faq.html There's another very good page (including at least one link to tissue culture info) at http://randomaccess.unm.edu/www/cp/cparchive.html You can also learn a great deal from lurking on the CP list. Good growing, Phil URL du jour: http://www.squirrelnutzippers.com/ ################### From: saharris@iafrica.com (Eric Green) Date: Fri, 09 Jan 98 17:41:10 GMT Subject: Drosera sp. "floating" Dear Dave and all other cp fans, Drosera sp. "floating" is allied to D. admirabilis (ie in the D. cuneifolia complex). I have yet to see the flower structure but the leaf, to 2 cm long, is cuneiform, with very few white hairs on the leaf undersurface (cf D. aliciae). The scape has an ascending base which clears the rosette edge before becoming erect (this is closer to D. aliciae than D. admirabilis). This variant grows in a shallow, perennial creek adjacent to D. regia, in a mountain valley NE of Cape Town. It's ambiguous fieldname is derived from some plants in the colony which grow in a few cm of water, and which have short, flexible stems and leaves with up arched bases, so that the rosettes are at the water surface and may be moved around a little on the flexible, but definitely strongly fixed stem. This field name has led to some confusion on how to cultivate this variant. One additional feature of this variant, apparently not shared by other perennial flat rosetted Drosera in South Africa is the pressence of sessile, small red, retentive galnds on the leaf undersurface. Before the month is out I look forward to revisiting the site, and , hopefully, see the open flowers. More details, with a sketch, are in the September Bulletin of the Ausytralian Carnivorous Plant Society, or check out photos taken by Fernando or myself. This variant is readily available from nurseries in Europe, especially Germany, and those plants in cultivation appear to have a more extensive hair cover on the leaf undersurface. Stay tuned for further details.... Robert Gibson ################### From: "Mellard, David" Date: Fri, 9 Jan 1998 08:57:00 -0500 Subject: off to the islands I will be travelling to Puerto Rico the week of Jan 12 to investigate a hazardous waste site. If you have questions about your seed request, I will answer them after January 20. Also, the rest of the seed requests will go out today. If you do not receive your seeds in a reasonable amount of time for where you live, please send me an email, and I will check whether or not I sent your seeds. I try to be infallible, so much is expected of government employees , but there is a chance that I may have misplaced someone's email request. David Atlanta USA ################### From: "the drake" Date: Thu, 08 Jan 1998 21:25:59 -0700 Subject: GREAT BRITAIN CP COLLECTORS If there are any CP collectors in Great Britain who live near "Cambrian Carnivores", know the telephone number for the place, or know the owner or his personal telephone number, please reply to me with this information. I had sent an order and want to change the order, but am unable to get in touch with the owner (Peter Cole) at Cambrian Carnivores. I am trying to find out if there is anybody on this list who can deliver a message in person for me, or can provide any of the info I asked about. Thanks. Free web-based email, Forever, From anywhere! http://www.mailexcite.com ################### From: "Ernest Ming" Date: Fri, 9 Jan 1998 20:49:13 -0000 Subject: I need help with T.C I am living in the U.K now and wish to start tissue culturing but I do not have any pressure cooker. I wonder if it is possible to do tissue culturing without this pressure cooker provided I have a microwave and an oven.Can somebody advice please. ################### From: Richard Brown Date: Fri, 09 Jan 1998 21:04:57 -0500 Subject: Re:Striking Nep Cuttings Trent here in the office. Your description of how you are taking cuttings sounds like it should work. Allow the khasiana cuttings to experience a significantly lower night temperature drop than the gracilis and Coccinea. For the two lowlanders try nights around 65 F and the khasiana may not strike at all unless down to 55-60 degrees F. Here in Florida, I can only take cutting of highlanders in the dead of winter, when I have night temp drops that Neps all seem to love. They seem to root quicker and are less prone to black rot. I have struck maxima with 100% sucess by waiting to take the cuttings in mid Dec. As for light, I put them under the benches and don't touch until they produce a pitcher. Very important where cuttings are concerned-Do Not Move Them Around! -Don't even rotate the pot! Good luck. I hope this helps. Until later, Trent Meeks Pompano Beach, Florida ################### From: patfi Date: Sat, 10 Jan 1998 15:41:38 +1300 Subject: changing e-mail address Hi all... I am just trying to tell this list that I have changed address from... patfi@iconz.co.nz to.....patfi@xtra.co.nz. Unfortuneately the list info was on my old Eudora stuff that got turfed ages ago...HELP!!!!! how do I go about this minor task????? Thanks for your help Fiona - a newsgroup newbie!! ################### From: TANWK Date: Sat, 10 Jan 1998 09:51:26 +0800 Subject: N.lowii photo Dear Fellow-CP'ers, I have photos of (a) a $5 Brunei currency note showing N. lowii (on the note itself it is given as Somboi somboi, probably its native name); (b) Malayan stamps showing Nepenthes lowii, rajah, sanguinea, and macfarlanei; (c) Malaysian $20 currency note showing N.rafflesiana. Would someone who has a CP website showing Nepenthes photos like to have the above on his/her website as well? I also have photos of the natural hybrid (N. rafflesiana x N. gracilis). Although N. rafflesiana and N. gracilis are common here in Singapore, Malaysia and Indonesia, the natural hybrid itself is not. [There are no photos of it in the following books: Nepenthes of Borneo (Clarke) Pitcher Plants of Borneo (Phillipps & Lamb) Pitcher Plants of Malaya and Singapore (Shivas) Nepenthes of Mount Kinabalu (Kurata)] Happy CP'ing to all, TAN Wee Kiat from Singapore ################### From: Joe Cumbee Date: Fri, 09 Jan 1998 22:20:23 -0500 Subject: Re: I need help with T.C Ernest, Try http://www.home.turbonet.com/sati/tcinfo.htm I think you find what you need. Eric Cumbee Ernest Ming wrote: > I am living in the U.K now and wish to start tissue culturing but I do not > have any pressure cooker. I wonder if it is possible to do tissue culturing > without this pressure cooker provided I have a microwave and an oven.Can > somebody advice please. ################### From: Johannes.Marabini@t-online.de (Johannes Marabini) Date: Sat, 10 Jan 1998 11:39:39 +0100 Subject: Growing conditions of clipeata Hi Gilles, >Hi Johannes, >Thank you for these precisions, but could you also describe the soil and >humidity conditions in which the plants grow ? >Does siliceous rock means that they grow in sand, or is it sphagnum, and do >they have water running on the roots ? It is hard to say how the conditions have been before the fire there (by the way, I do not believe, that the all the plants have been stolen by collectors, as Clarke write in his book; the end of these plants was the fire). I saw many chared trees and only less protecting Vegetation and no more clipeata. On the right photo of my homepage you have a few over the landsscape near Sintang nearby the location of clipeata. Nep. clipeata grew there in gras and mould on outlets of rock. Siliceous means the kind of rock which Kelam consists of. There was a lot of running water but I don't know if it was running on the roots. I don't think so, because running water will wash all soil down. N.clipeata is easy to grow. A well drained soil ( I use dried clay-pearls, quarzsand = siliceous and peat), not too cold and too hot temperatures (18-30\260Cel.) and a ventilation in summer, this is a good method. My plants are 25 years in culture and flowered several times. Bye Johannes -- Homepage: http://home.t-online.de/home/johannes.marabini@t-online.de/index.htm ################### From: Rand Nicholson Date: Sat, 10 Jan 1998 07:52:18 -0400 Subject: Re: Growing conditions of clipeata Hi Johannes >It is hard to say how the conditions have been before the fire there >(by the way, I do not believe, that the all the plants have been >stolen by collectors, as Clarke write in his book; the end of these >plants was the fire). I saw many chared trees and only less protecting >Vegetation and no more clipeata. On the right photo of my homepage you >have a few over the landsscape near Sintang nearby the location of >clipeata. Nep. clipeata grew there in gras and mould on outlets of >rock. Siliceous means the kind of rock which Kelam consists of. There >was a lot of running water but I don't know if it was running on the >roots. I don't think so, because running water will wash all soil >down. Was this fire that you speak of a natural event? In Canada as, indeed, most of the world in certain biosystems, fire is an event that enables regeneration of endemic flora and fauna (bugs are the first entry into a burn zone). Is it possible that N. clipeata is adapted to, or has an adaptation for, regular or sporadic, fire events? I think of our Canadian plains and prairie grasses and shrubs, or Australia's outback "bush" where fire is a necessity for germination and re-establishment of dormant species, when I ask this question. Perhaps there is no applicable comparison, here? Kind Regards, Rand Rand Nicholson New Brunswick Maritime Canada, Z 5b ################### From: "Ernest Ming" Date: Sat, 10 Jan 1998 12:28:11 -0000 Subject: where can I find Spagnum moss in the U.K? Hi everybody, I am from the U.K and wonder if anybody can give me some