################### From: zxmsl01@studserv.zdv.uni-tuebingen.de (Jan Schlauer) Date: Mon, 4 Jan 93 09:50:59 +0100 Subject: Re: Drosera request Hi everybody, First of all, a happy and prosperous New Year! Second, the _Drosera_ key requested (by Prof. Kopp/Dr. Wawrosch) is coming... But it'll take some time to get it published. It was designed by myself and I am looking forward to receiving some comment (and improvement) from Dr Martin Cheek of Kew Gardens. I don't know yet if that key will appear this year. In the meanwhile, I could try to ID your plants if you send me the diagnostic features (by e-mail). I suppose you own a lab-microscope so you will be able to check details needed for determination. Kind regards Jan ################### From: zxmsl01@studserv.zdv.uni-tuebingen.de (Jan Schlauer) Date: Mon, 4 Jan 93 09:58:34 +0100 Subject: Re: Barry, Do you have any literature reference for _D.citrina_? This is exactly the same as described (under _D.chrysochila_) by myself! So I'd be really *very* interested to know if A.Lowrie has the priority with his name! Thanks for your help All the best for 1993! Jan ################### From: barry@as.arizona.edu (Barry Meyers-Rice) Date: Mon, 4 Jan 93 07:57:36 MST Subject: Re: Jan, I have no lit reference for _D.citrina_, other than the authors. And this is from the back of Lowrie's gemmae catalogue. I anticipate sending him a letter in a few weeks and so could ask him about it if you want. A _Drosera_ key??!!!! REALLY???!!!! Does this track the genus down to section level, or does it even go beyond that? How many sections are in _Drosera_? B. P.S. For those of you who are struggling to keep your greenhouses warm in the winter, I remember my first year with my greenhouse---I didn't have a heater yet so I improvised by modifying very slightly my toaster-oven. It worked for a few weeks---long enough for me to shop around and find a nice used electric heater I hooked to a thermostat. ################### From: barry@as.arizona.edu (Barry Meyers-Rice) Date: Mon, 4 Jan 93 11:01:38 MST XSubject: Re: Hear ye hear ye! Gordon Cheers' new book, Guide to CP of the World, is going to hit the bookstands on January 22nd. I just talked to the publisher (Harper Collins, in Sydney Australia) at 1-800-331-3761, and they said it will retail for $45 USA, and its ISBN # is 02-07-161-860. If you can't get it through your local bookstore you can call the 1-800 number or your country's Harper Collins rep. Don Schnell, whose opinion I respect in these matters, said it is the best recent book on CP culture, far surpassing LeCoufle. Comparable to Slack's 2nd book, which saw very limited release. B ################### From: zxmsl01@studserv.zdv.uni-tuebingen.de (Jan Schlauer) Date: Tue, 5 Jan 93 10:36:41 +0100 Subject: Re: Barry, Please ask Allen Lowrie about _D.citrina_ and the other nomina nuda in his catalogue. The key I mentioned tracks the genus down to _ssp._ or _var._ level where this is necessary. Section limits correspond quite well to Diels' monograph. Some changes are necessary, however. I have some additional subgenera (for _D.hamiltonii_, _D.binata_ etc.), and some sections need to be renamed to fit the ICBN. In that key *all* taxa included in _Drosera_ considered validly described according to my CP world list are keyed out. But as I have already mentioned, I am awaiting some comments and improvements from Kew, before I will be able to publish it. (And I don't like too much talking about unpublished papers.) So long Jan ################### From: rphjt@minyos.xx.rmit.OZ.AU (John Taylor [The Banshee]) Date: Tue, 5 Jan 93 20:24:29 +0000 Subject: Re: Gordon Cheers 2nd book >Gordon Cheers' new book, Guide to CP of the World, is going to hit the >bookstands on January 22nd. I just talked to the >publisher (Harper Collins, in Sydney Australia) at 1-800-331-3761, and >they said it will retail for $45 USA, and its ISBN # is 02-07-161-860. >If you can't get it through your local bookstore you can call the 1-800 >number or your country's Harper Collins rep. > >Don Schnell, whose opinion I respect in these matters, said it is the >best recent book on CP culture, far surpassing LeCoufle. Comparable to >Slack's 2nd book, which saw very limited release. > >B Well, I just happemn to have a copy here... It is a very nice book (pity it's only in hardback so far = $$$) The ISBN # is actually 0-207-16186-0 and it is an Angus and Robertson book (an imprint of HarperCollinsPublishers) to be exact. It is similar in content to Slack's 2nd book, but is set out very differently (I think it's excellent). It starts off with an History, Fact and Folklore section - including a photo of the famous Triffid from the BBC TV miniseries of John Wyndham's "Day of the Tiffids". There is also a good section on trapping mechanisms of various genera (again, more good photos including cut-away traps of pitcher types). Then follows cultivation and propagation sections - the latter including *tissue culture* and pesticides. The CP descriptions follow with each genera has a "chapter" starting with a full-page "intro" giving a distribution map, pronounciation, origin of the genera name and discovery details etc. It then goes on to give details of (some) species with descriptions, color photos, and other info. One of the unique features of this book is the field trips section, in which he describes searching for CPs in 6 different locations: W.A. and Victoria in Australia, Arthur's Pass in New Zealand, Mt Kinabalu (Borneo), Mt Roraima (Venezuela) and North America. Then there is a Monthly Calendar covering the CP genera which gives details of watering, etc (great!), and also a World CP List which gives the species, subspecies/forms, hybrids, synonyms, "discoverer" and plant origins (and more?) That should do it - I recommend adding this book to your CP library (insert disclaimers here...) +-----------------------------------------------------------------------------+ | John Taylor [The Banshee] | Royal Melbourne Institute of Technology | | rphjt@minyos.xx.rmit.oz.au | Department of Applied Physics | | MOKING IS A HEALTH HAZARD. | Melbourne, Victoria, AUSTRALIA | +-----------------------------------------------------------------------------+ P.S. If I have time after reassembling the rear half of my Moke, I may even get around to reading this book! ################### From: zxmsl01@studserv.zdv.uni-tuebingen.de (Jan Schlauer) Date: Tue, 5 Jan 93 13:10:22 +0100 Subject: Re: Gordon Cheers 2nd book John, Does the synonym list appended to Gordon Cheer's book differ in any way from my nomenclatural synopsis? If you can find differences, please tell me so. Thanks Jan ################### From: barry@as.arizona.edu (Barry Meyers-Rice) Date: Tue, 5 Jan 93 09:37:25 MST XSubject: Re: Gordon Cheers 2nd book Barry, >Please ask Allen Lowrie about _D.citrina_ and the other nomina nuda in his >catalogue. Will do... >The key I mentioned tracks the genus down to _ssp._ or _var._ level where this >is necessary. Section limits correspond quite well to Diels' monograph. Some This sounds absolutely extraordinary and exciting! I can understand your reticence regarding discussing works in progress---I don't like to distribute articles astronomical (my vocation) or botanical until they are done. I send most of my Lentibulariaceae to Peter Taylor for a check before publication. But when you are ready, I will be extremely interested in getting a preprint or whatever. Barry ################### From: Robert.Allen@Eng.Sun.COM (Robert Allen) Date: Wed, 6 Jan 93 16:28:15 GMT Subject: Re: Drosera request Jan, did you receive my Xmas card, with accompanying photos? I'm sorry they weren't of better quality. You may be interested to know that my D. coccicaulis is sending up a scape. If it blooms I'll see what info I can gather. It's currently growing under low light conditions so the flower may look a bit different from normal. Robert ################### From: zxmsl01@studserv.zdv.uni-tuebingen.de (Jan Schlauer) Date: Thu, 7 Jan 93 10:44:01 +0100 Subject: Re: Drosera request Robert, Did you receive my email from 4.1.93? Thanks for the nice card and the photos. In my mail I already mentioned some doubts about the correct ID of your _Drosera_natalensis_ (& _D.aliciae_). "D.coccicaulis" resembles the typical _D.aliciae_ very much, but I need styles and seeds (or a description of them) to be sure. TNX again Best wishes for 1993 Jan ################### From: Robert.Allen@Eng.Sun.COM (Robert Allen) Date: Thu, 7 Jan 93 16:43:42 GMT Subject: Re: Drosera request >>Did you receive my email from 4.1.93? Jan, thanks, I responded to you before reading all my email. As I mentioned my D. coccicaulis is putting up a scape. If it blooms I'll have my girlfriend take some close up photos, for which I bought her a close up lens. Robert ################### From: Jon Singer (My Heap Overfloweth!) Date: Sat, 09 Jan 93 23:49:58 -0800 Subject: I'm about a month behind... ...so I may be bringing up a topic that has since died. If so, please forgive me. I am now reading messages about people doing micropropagation. I'm interested in this subject. Does anyone here know of a handy US source for things like MS salts, cytokinins, and that sort of thing? Cheers jon ################### From: MIH@nmpou.nmp.nokia.com Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 6:34:24 GMT Subject: Re: I am month behind. Hi, I am happy that the discussion on micropropagation/tissue culture of CP starts again and it looks like, things get practical now, too. At least for me, it is a matter of purchasing the necessary substrate(s), now. If anybody knows sources in Europe (Finland?!) or elsewhere, where to obtain MS-media and/or plant hormons (in small amounts), please let me know. I would also highly appreciate if somebody (Jan, Chris can you?) could give me some more technically related insight views. (Somewhat like a small cooking book describing technically what and when to do.) I am also curious whether CP in tissue culture require less high amounts of nutrients and/or hormons. Thanks for information and best wishes for the rest of this year Michael (jmh@tko.vtt.fi) Latest news: S.C. (Santa Claus) returned safely to Lapland. P.S.: For those who are interested: Included to the last issue of the German Carnivorous Plant Society was an advertisement offering N.rajah as well as other rare Nepenthes for a price around 100,- DM, if I remember right. (1$=1.63 DM) ################### From: zxmsl01@studserv.zdv.uni-tuebingen.de (Jan Schlauer) Date: Mon, 11 Jan 93 10:13:50 +0100 Subject: Re: I'm about a month behind... Jon, This is Jan from Germany. I am running some in vitro cultures of Lentibulariaceae (_Pinguicula_, _Genlisea_, and _Utricularia_). I think the most reliable and complete source for microbiology products is Difco Labs, P.O.B. 331058, Detroit, MI 48232-7058, USA They are, however not too cheap! (Please do not misunderstand this as an advertisement!) Happy growing Jan ################### From: zxmsl01@studserv.zdv.uni-tuebingen.de (Jan Schlauer) Date: Mon, 11 Jan 93 10:22:10 +0100 Subject: Re: I am month behind. Michael, OK, first tell me (us) which species you would like to propagate. This is quite crucial for deciding which media/technique to apply. I can offer information on Lentibulariaceae (and I have some contact to Joachim Nerz, who is running cultures of _Nepenthes_, _Heliamphora_ and that like). Quite probably there are people in this group with some experience about _Drosera_. Viel Spass Jan ################### From: MIH@nmpou.nmp.nokia.com Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 9:46:53 GMT Subject: In vitro culture Jan, this is Michael from Finland, first of all thanks for your prompt reply. Personally, I have no experiences with in_vitro_culture/tissue_culture (BTW: what is the right term ?) and I would like to get first experiences with tissue culture with some 'easy' droseras of which I have got plenty of seeds (e.g. burmanni, aliciae...). I think most problems I will be faced to in first place are more technically related, i.e. getting and keeping everything sterile, transfer plants from MS-media to 'normal' substrates, and so on... Later, if first experiments are successful, I might continue with Byblis, Pinguicula, and Nepenthes. Regards Michael ################### From: Rick Walker Date: Mon, 11 Jan 93 11:57:52 PST Subject: In vitro culture > I am now reading messages about people doing micropropagation. I'm > interested in this subject. Does anyone here know of a handy US source > for things like MS salts, cytokinins, and that sort of thing? Jon, I believe that Carolina Biological Supply in Burlington, N.C. carries tissue culture equipment & supplies. In the past, they have advertised VFT & Drosera tissue culture kits. Their number is (919) 584-0381. If you follow up on this, I'd be interested in hearing what you find. -- Rick ################### From: Earl Nishiguchi Date: Mon, 11 Jan 93 11:55 HST Subject: Re: In vitro culture > > > I am now reading messages about people doing micropropagation. I'm > > interested in this subject. Does anyone here know of a handy US source > > for things like MS salts, cytokinins, and that sort of thing? > > Jon, > > I believe that Carolina Biological Supply in Burlington, N.C. carries > tissue culture equipment & supplies. In the past, they have advertised > VFT & Drosera tissue culture kits. Their number is (919) 584-0381. > > If you follow up on this, I'd be interested in hearing what you find. > > -- > Rick Yes, Carolina sells all the supplies listed above. However, I think that they don't sell to individuals...have to use company address. Sigma Chemical also has tissue culture chemicals and tend to be cheaper (in general) than Carolina. Earl ################### From: "Prof.Dr. B. Kopp/Dr. Ch. Wawrosch" Date: Wed, 13 Jan 93 13:13:01 MEZ Subject: back again Hi everybody, this is Chris from Austria. I'm now back from holidays and I just thought of saying hello. After going through the masses of email collected during the last 3 weeks I will be back. Chris ################### From: MIH@nmpou.nmp.nokia.com Date: Wed, 13 Jan 1993 12:37:54 GMT Subject: Re: back again Hi Chris, nice to hear that your back. How are your CP's. Greetings, to your CPs, too. Michael ################### From: Rick Walker Date: Wed, 13 Jan 93 11:29:54 PST Subject: Refresher course on listserv commands. >From Michael: > Huomenta (Good morning), > > somehow it got into my mind, probably I have read some contributions > posted to our listserver, that I should be able to request a cp.seller- > list and various other things at our listserver. > I am interested to do that and I think other people might not be aware > of this possibility, either. I would be glad if you could post this > valuable piece of information to our listserver. Here's a refresher on how the listserver works. (Oldtimers can quit reading here...) There are two address involved: 1) cp@hpl-opus.hpl.hp.com 2) listserv@hpl-opus.hpl.hp.com Any mail sent to the first address is automatically forwarded to all of the cp list subscribers. Mail sent to the second address is used to make requests of the server program. It is usually never read by a human, and must be in a precise format. Your request should be put in the body of the mail message. Multiple requests per message are allowed, but they should be one request per line. If the server encounters an invalid request, it will abort processing at that line and send an error message back to the requester. If you put a signature on the end of your message, the server will treat this as an invalid request. Here is a list of the requests that the server will recognize. Everything appearing in [] below is optional; everything appearing in <> is mandatory. help [request] -------------- Without arguments, this file. Otherwise get specific information on the selected topic. For example, if you wanted help on unsubscribing, you could send the one-line message: "help unsubscribe". set CP [